No fighter has ever died in my own games, but the character still run from
machinegun fire, hit the dirt when a grenade is thrown, and try to escape
prisons instead of attacking the guards... it has as much to do with your
players being storytellers as yourself to make a great story and have a good
game
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules

>
>eh, not particularly. I know guns are far less lethal than they should
>be for a reason, but there are certain instances where common sense
>needs to take over, and doing so in such instances is not due to sadism,
>but practicality. How many of you out there use optional rules for
>character death even though there are none in the system? Should
>players ever have anything to fear if they know that technically, they
>cannot die?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:19 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>I'll say... Steve must really be peeved at gun rules for streetfighter
>=)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:10 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>>WOOO HOOO! Struck a NERVE! :D
>>
>>-- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:38:44 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>
>>>
>>> Prior to the reading of this message, note that I am slightly cranky
>>> today, so take that into account. That said, let's move on.
>>>
>>I'd hate to see you get really cranky
>>
>>> Ryu defeated the thugs because;
>>>
>>> A) the first one was sitting in the car with no weapon drawn, and did
>>> not expect someone to come out of nowhere and kick him through the
>>> windshield.
>>>
>>> B) the second thug did not know Ryu was behind him and was more
>>> concerned with making a getaway. Ryu punched him as soon as he
>turned
>>> around, remember?
>>
>>Whatever.. Ryu knew the risk that any one of them could have drawn on
>him
>at
>>any time. He had no fear yada yada GO RYU! *Waves a pennant & throws
>>confetti*
>>
>>> Secondly, I don't know if you've noticed, but NO Streetfighter EVER
>has
>>> ANYTHING to fear from a gun-wielding opponent. EVER. UNLESS the
>gunman
>>> is backed up by five or ten others and the fighter cannot close the
>>> distance to them in two rounds. Have you ever had a group of five
>>> low-ranking fighters take out TWENTY soldiers armed with rifles
>without
>>> ever sustaining more than a collective five points of damage? I
>have.
>>> Fighters never fear gun-wielding opponents. In fact, most of the
>time,
>>> they ignore them. I am speaking from over two years of both playing
>and
>>> running this system when I make these claims... and I have a
>fundamental
>>> problem with a system that causes a player to fear a thug wielding a
>>> baseball bat more than they fear one with an Uzi.
>>
>>Thus they are the stuff of legend, these Streetfighters, Gosh! why
>doesn't
>>Bison have to target the NRA to succeed in taking over the world?
>They're
>>obviously more dangerous than the Streetfighters. Of course the whole
>idea
>>is silly inna first place, it's just the way it seems to work. I do
>agree
>>that gun's damage should have more of an edge, Maybe half or no stamina
>soak
>>or something.
>>
>>> But before you go getting all indignant on me, read exactly what I
>wrote
>>> and don't interject anything into it. What I wrote was;
>>
>>You wrote something??? Oh so you did. / Joke
>>
>>> I use the guns rules EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, EXCEPT when an opponent
>>> basically has the weapon in the character's face (same hex or
>adjacent
>>> hex, the equivalent of one to two feet distance) and the character
>>> cannot react in time (the opponent has a higher Speed). In other
>words,
>>> you had better disarm that nut who's got his gun barrel shoved up
>your
>>> nose or he's going to blow your head off. Guns are great at really
>long
>>> range, as they should be, and if a martial artist can get close to a
>>> gunman then the advantage SHOULD go to the artist. BUT, if the
>gunman
>>> has the drop on you, you had better take that gunman by surprise
>before
>>> he pulls the trigger, because at that range he WILL NOT MISS (unless
>the
>>> dice say so.)
>>
>>There is no such thing as will not miss, Just a stronger probability
>that
>he
>>will hit so I would say that the gunman maybe gets a difficulty four
>instead
>>of six to hit or whatever. It can happen in the adrenaline rush of
>>potentially fast or close combat that a gunman at practically point
>blank
>>range can miss. So I just take that into account issall. I'm assuming
>your
>>(unless the dice say so) agrees with my statement.
>>
>>> And as far as automatic hits on a dizzied opponent go, I never said
>the
>>> gunman got a free hit, and certainly not a free kill. He still rolls
>>> for damage as usual and CAN MISS. But if he scores more than a
>grazing
>>> hit, the player is going to need a doctor, or a casket. I don't care
>>> how theatrical you want to make a game, and I've done some pretty
>damn
>>> wild things to keep stuff in-genre, but if I am standing one foot
>away
>>> from you and you ARE UNABLE TO REACT, and I empty a thirty-round
>burst
>>> of gunfire in your direction, YOU ARE GOING TO GET HURT.
>>
>>Talk about interjecting. Did I mention free kills? Hurt probably. In
>real
>>life almost definitely dead, (depending on the gun and too many
>variables
>to
>>process - notice the almost). A guy in Florida was shot at near point
>blank
>>range with a 38 special just last year, all six bullets hit his head
>arced
>>around his skull under the skin and exited out the back (of his head).
>he
>>had a severe concussion. (talk about thick skulls)
>>
>>> one of these days I should run a damn campaign online... *grumble
>>> grumble grouch grouch*
>>
>>*Hands you some spaghetti and coke, eating will take the grumbles out.
>Hands
>>you a megaphone and lets you onna soapbox - your turn *Smilz**
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:03 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>
>>>
>>> The players are heroes, like Batman (who rushes tommy-guns all the
>time)
>>> Wow
>>> how stupid and boring would a batman story be, if he was dizzied and
>>> then
>>> riddled with a tommygun? I think you are missing the spirit of
>>> Streetfighter
>>> in general. In the animated Movie, Ryu had no problem rushing the car
>in
>>> India, even though, the thugs were packin' heat. The gun system was
>made
>>> to
>>> reflect this heroic bent. And in all fairness, NO weapon should ever
>be
>>> awarded a FREE hit! Lower the difficulty but they're is ALWAYS a
>margin
>>> for
>>> error. More fun? to watch someone panic when they're caught in a no
>win
>>> situation? Fun for a sadistic GM maybe, Not much fun for the player
>>> trying
>>> to be heroic.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:56:37 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> right. but I notice that, because of the normal rules, the players
>>> tend
>>>> to act stupid. They know that guns are weaker so they have no RP
>>> reason
>>>> to fear them. That's why I do what I do. Besides it's more fun to
>>> see
>>>> a look of panic on someone when they've just been dizzied and the
>>>> gangster next to them decides to rip into them full-auto with a
>Tommy
>>>> gun.
>>
>>
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while we're on the subject, I really wish I knew what my players had
against Musical Accompaniment. Whenever they fight an opponent who has
it, they go utterly out of their way to disable the source of music in
any way possible. I've had one release his Animal Companion (a six foot
King cobra) into a mariachi band, another use a tranquilizer gun on a
team manager holding a radio, and yet another refuse to fight unless the
music was turned off.

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:32 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules


No fighter has ever died in my own games, but the character still run
from
machinegun fire, hit the dirt when a grenade is thrown, and try to
escape
prisons instead of attacking the guards... it has as much to do with
your
players being storytellers as yourself to make a great story and have a
good
game
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules

>
>eh, not particularly. I know guns are far less lethal than they should
>be for a reason, but there are certain instances where common sense
>needs to take over, and doing so in such instances is not due to

sadism,

>but practicality. How many of you out there use optional rules for
>character death even though there are none in the system? Should
>players ever have anything to fear if they know that technically, they
>cannot die?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:19 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>I'll say... Steve must really be peeved at gun rules for streetfighter
>=)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:10 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>>WOOO HOOO! Struck a NERVE! :D
>>
>>-- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:38:44 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>
>>>
>>> Prior to the reading of this message, note that I am slightly cranky
>>> today, so take that into account. That said, let's move on.
>>>
>>I'd hate to see you get really cranky
>>
>>> Ryu defeated the thugs because;
>>>
>>> A) the first one was sitting in the car with no weapon drawn, and

did

>>> not expect someone to come out of nowhere and kick him through the
>>> windshield.
>>>
>>> B) the second thug did not know Ryu was behind him and was more
>>> concerned with making a getaway. Ryu punched him as soon as he
>turned
>>> around, remember?
>>
>>Whatever.. Ryu knew the risk that any one of them could have drawn on
>him
>at
>>any time. He had no fear yada yada GO RYU! *Waves a pennant & throws
>>confetti*
>>
>>> Secondly, I don't know if you've noticed, but NO Streetfighter EVER
>has
>>> ANYTHING to fear from a gun-wielding opponent. EVER. UNLESS the
>gunman
>>> is backed up by five or ten others and the fighter cannot close the
>>> distance to them in two rounds. Have you ever had a group of five
>>> low-ranking fighters take out TWENTY soldiers armed with rifles
>without
>>> ever sustaining more than a collective five points of damage? I
>have.
>>> Fighters never fear gun-wielding opponents. In fact, most of the
>time,
>>> they ignore them. I am speaking from over two years of both playing
>and
>>> running this system when I make these claims... and I have a
>fundamental
>>> problem with a system that causes a player to fear a thug wielding a
>>> baseball bat more than they fear one with an Uzi.
>>
>>Thus they are the stuff of legend, these Streetfighters, Gosh! why
>doesn't
>>Bison have to target the NRA to succeed in taking over the world?
>They're
>>obviously more dangerous than the Streetfighters. Of course the whole
>idea
>>is silly inna first place, it's just the way it seems to work. I do
>agree
>>that gun's damage should have more of an edge, Maybe half or no

stamina

>soak
>>or something.
>>
>>> But before you go getting all indignant on me, read exactly what I
>wrote
>>> and don't interject anything into it. What I wrote was;
>>
>>You wrote something??? Oh so you did. / Joke
>>
>>> I use the guns rules EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, EXCEPT when an opponent
>>> basically has the weapon in the character's face (same hex or
>adjacent
>>> hex, the equivalent of one to two feet distance) and the character
>>> cannot react in time (the opponent has a higher Speed). In other
>words,
>>> you had better disarm that nut who's got his gun barrel shoved up
>your
>>> nose or he's going to blow your head off. Guns are great at really
>long
>>> range, as they should be, and if a martial artist can get close to a
>>> gunman then the advantage SHOULD go to the artist. BUT, if the
>gunman
>>> has the drop on you, you had better take that gunman by surprise
>before
>>> he pulls the trigger, because at that range he WILL NOT MISS (unless
>the
>>> dice say so.)
>>
>>There is no such thing as will not miss, Just a stronger probability
>that
>he
>>will hit so I would say that the gunman maybe gets a difficulty four
>instead
>>of six to hit or whatever. It can happen in the adrenaline rush of
>>potentially fast or close combat that a gunman at practically point
>blank
>>range can miss. So I just take that into account issall. I'm assuming
>your
>>(unless the dice say so) agrees with my statement.
>>
>>> And as far as automatic hits on a dizzied opponent go, I never said
>the
>>> gunman got a free hit, and certainly not a free kill. He still

rolls

>>> for damage as usual and CAN MISS. But if he scores more than a
>grazing
>>> hit, the player is going to need a doctor, or a casket. I don't

care

>>> how theatrical you want to make a game, and I've done some pretty
>damn
>>> wild things to keep stuff in-genre, but if I am standing one foot
>away
>>> from you and you ARE UNABLE TO REACT, and I empty a thirty-round
>burst
>>> of gunfire in your direction, YOU ARE GOING TO GET HURT.
>>
>>Talk about interjecting. Did I mention free kills? Hurt probably. In
>real
>>life almost definitely dead, (depending on the gun and too many
>variables
>to
>>process - notice the almost). A guy in Florida was shot at near point
>blank
>>range with a 38 special just last year, all six bullets hit his head
>arced
>>around his skull under the skin and exited out the back (of his head).
>he
>>had a severe concussion. (talk about thick skulls)
>>
>>> one of these days I should run a damn campaign online... *grumble
>>> grumble grouch grouch*
>>
>>*Hands you some spaghetti and coke, eating will take the grumbles out.
>Hands
>>you a megaphone and lets you onna soapbox - your turn *Smilz**
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:03 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>
>>>
>>> The players are heroes, like Batman (who rushes tommy-guns all the
>time)
>>> Wow
>>> how stupid and boring would a batman story be, if he was dizzied and
>>> then
>>> riddled with a tommygun? I think you are missing the spirit of
>>> Streetfighter
>>> in general. In the animated Movie, Ryu had no problem rushing the

car

>in
>>> India, even though, the thugs were packin' heat. The gun system was
>made
>>> to
>>> reflect this heroic bent. And in all fairness, NO weapon should ever
>be
>>> awarded a FREE hit! Lower the difficulty but they're is ALWAYS a
>margin
>>> for
>>> error. More fun? to watch someone panic when they're caught in a no
>win
>>> situation? Fun for a sadistic GM maybe, Not much fun for the player
>>> trying
>>> to be heroic.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:56:37 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> right. but I notice that, because of the normal rules, the players
>>> tend
>>>> to act stupid. They know that guns are weaker so they have no RP
>>> reason
>>>> to fear them. That's why I do what I do. Besides it's more fun to
>>> see
>>>> a look of panic on someone when they've just been dizzied and the
>>>> gangster next to them decides to rip into them full-auto with a
>Tommy
>>>> gun.
>>
>>
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...I'd been playing Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi a little too much
that week. ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:17 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...


A Star Wars/Streetfighter crossover? My players would hang me, no
questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:41 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...

>
>for the record, there has been ONE player death in all of the time I've
>been running Street Fighter, and that was because, during a Star Wars
>crossover adventure, he tried to take cover behind a table when a
>Thermal Detonator went off three feet away.
>
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hahaha that's strange.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:44 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules

>
>while we're on the subject, I really wish I knew what my players had
>against Musical Accompaniment. Whenever they fight an opponent who has
>it, they go utterly out of their way to disable the source of music in
>any way possible. I've had one release his Animal Companion (a six foot
>King cobra) into a mariachi band, another use a tranquilizer gun on a
>team manager holding a radio, and yet another refuse to fight unless the
>music was turned off.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:32 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>No fighter has ever died in my own games, but the character still run
>from
>machinegun fire, hit the dirt when a grenade is thrown, and try to
>escape
>prisons instead of attacking the guards... it has as much to do with
>your
>players being storytellers as yourself to make a great story and have a
>good
>game
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:36 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>
>
>>
>>eh, not particularly. I know guns are far less lethal than they should
>>be for a reason, but there are certain instances where common sense
>>needs to take over, and doing so in such instances is not due to
>sadism,
>>but practicality. How many of you out there use optional rules for
>>character death even though there are none in the system? Should
>>players ever have anything to fear if they know that technically, they
>>cannot die?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:19 PM
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>
>>
>>I'll say... Steve must really be peeved at gun rules for streetfighter
>>=)
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:10 AM
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>
>>
>>>WOOO HOOO! Struck a NERVE! :D
>>>
>>>-- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 11:38:44 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prior to the reading of this message, note that I am slightly cranky
>>>> today, so take that into account. That said, let's move on.
>>>>
>>>I'd hate to see you get really cranky
>>>
>>>> Ryu defeated the thugs because;
>>>>
>>>> A) the first one was sitting in the car with no weapon drawn, and
>did
>>>> not expect someone to come out of nowhere and kick him through the
>>>> windshield.
>>>>
>>>> B) the second thug did not know Ryu was behind him and was more
>>>> concerned with making a getaway. Ryu punched him as soon as he
>>turned
>>>> around, remember?
>>>
>>>Whatever.. Ryu knew the risk that any one of them could have drawn on
>>him
>>at
>>>any time. He had no fear yada yada GO RYU! *Waves a pennant & throws
>>>confetti*
>>>
>>>> Secondly, I don't know if you've noticed, but NO Streetfighter EVER
>>has
>>>> ANYTHING to fear from a gun-wielding opponent. EVER. UNLESS the
>>gunman
>>>> is backed up by five or ten others and the fighter cannot close the
>>>> distance to them in two rounds. Have you ever had a group of five
>>>> low-ranking fighters take out TWENTY soldiers armed with rifles
>>without
>>>> ever sustaining more than a collective five points of damage? I
>>have.
>>>> Fighters never fear gun-wielding opponents. In fact, most of the
>>time,
>>>> they ignore them. I am speaking from over two years of both playing
>>and
>>>> running this system when I make these claims... and I have a
>>fundamental
>>>> problem with a system that causes a player to fear a thug wielding a
>>>> baseball bat more than they fear one with an Uzi.
>>>
>>>Thus they are the stuff of legend, these Streetfighters, Gosh! why
>>doesn't
>>>Bison have to target the NRA to succeed in taking over the world?
>>They're
>>>obviously more dangerous than the Streetfighters. Of course the whole
>>idea
>>>is silly inna first place, it's just the way it seems to work. I do
>>agree
>>>that gun's damage should have more of an edge, Maybe half or no
>stamina
>>soak
>>>or something.
>>>
>>>> But before you go getting all indignant on me, read exactly what I
>>wrote
>>>> and don't interject anything into it. What I wrote was;
>>>
>>>You wrote something??? Oh so you did. / Joke
>>>
>>>> I use the guns rules EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, EXCEPT when an opponent
>>>> basically has the weapon in the character's face (same hex or
>>adjacent
>>>> hex, the equivalent of one to two feet distance) and the character
>>>> cannot react in time (the opponent has a higher Speed). In other
>>words,
>>>> you had better disarm that nut who's got his gun barrel shoved up
>>your
>>>> nose or he's going to blow your head off. Guns are great at really
>>long
>>>> range, as they should be, and if a martial artist can get close to a
>>>> gunman then the advantage SHOULD go to the artist. BUT, if the
>>gunman
>>>> has the drop on you, you had better take that gunman by surprise
>>before
>>>> he pulls the trigger, because at that range he WILL NOT MISS (unless
>>the
>>>> dice say so.)
>>>
>>>There is no such thing as will not miss, Just a stronger probability
>>that
>>he
>>>will hit so I would say that the gunman maybe gets a difficulty four
>>instead
>>>of six to hit or whatever. It can happen in the adrenaline rush of
>>>potentially fast or close combat that a gunman at practically point
>>blank
>>>range can miss. So I just take that into account issall. I'm assuming
>>your
>>>(unless the dice say so) agrees with my statement.
>>>
>>>> And as far as automatic hits on a dizzied opponent go, I never said
>>the
>>>> gunman got a free hit, and certainly not a free kill. He still
>rolls
>>>> for damage as usual and CAN MISS. But if he scores more than a
>>grazing
>>>> hit, the player is going to need a doctor, or a casket. I don't
>care
>>>> how theatrical you want to make a game, and I've done some pretty
>>damn
>>>> wild things to keep stuff in-genre, but if I am standing one foot
>>away
>>>> from you and you ARE UNABLE TO REACT, and I empty a thirty-round
>>burst
>>>> of gunfire in your direction, YOU ARE GOING TO GET HURT.
>>>
>>>Talk about interjecting. Did I mention free kills? Hurt probably. In
>>real
>>>life almost definitely dead, (depending on the gun and too many
>>variables
>>to
>>>process - notice the almost). A guy in Florida was shot at near point
>>blank
>>>range with a 38 special just last year, all six bullets hit his head
>>arced
>>>around his skull under the skin and exited out the back (of his head).
>>he
>>>had a severe concussion. (talk about thick skulls)
>>>
>>>> one of these days I should run a damn campaign online... *grumble
>>>> grumble grouch grouch*
>>>
>>>*Hands you some spaghetti and coke, eating will take the grumbles out.
>>Hands
>>>you a megaphone and lets you onna soapbox - your turn *Smilz**
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:03 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The players are heroes, like Batman (who rushes tommy-guns all the
>>time)
>>>> Wow
>>>> how stupid and boring would a batman story be, if he was dizzied and
>>>> then
>>>> riddled with a tommygun? I think you are missing the spirit of
>>>> Streetfighter
>>>> in general. In the animated Movie, Ryu had no problem rushing the
>car
>>in
>>>> India, even though, the thugs were packin' heat. The gun system was
>>made
>>>> to
>>>> reflect this heroic bent. And in all fairness, NO weapon should ever
>>be
>>>> awarded a FREE hit! Lower the difficulty but they're is ALWAYS a
>>margin
>>>> for
>>>> error. More fun? to watch someone panic when they're caught in a no
>>win
>>>> situation? Fun for a sadistic GM maybe, Not much fun for the player
>>>> trying
>>>> to be heroic.
>>>>
>>>> -- Chris B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:56:37 -0500
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> right. but I notice that, because of the normal rules, the players
>>>> tend
>>>>> to act stupid. They know that guns are weaker so they have no RP
>>>> reason
>>>>> to fear them. That's why I do what I do. Besides it's more fun to
>>>> see
>>>>> a look of panic on someone when they've just been dizzied and the
>>>>> gangster next to them decides to rip into them full-auto with a
>>Tommy
>>>>> gun.
>>>
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Well, to come out with my weird game, I had the Predator show up in a
Vampire game once to hunt down a few humans, but when he saw what vampires
could do, he picked a new kind of target...
(hey wouldnt that make a great comic book?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...

>
>...I'd been playing Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi a little too much
>that week. ;)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:17 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>A Star Wars/Streetfighter crossover? My players would hang me, no
>questions.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:41 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>>
>>for the record, there has been ONE player death in all of the time I've
>>been running Street Fighter, and that was because, during a Star Wars
>>crossover adventure, he tried to take cover behind a table when a
>>Thermal Detonator went off three feet away.
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Predators would looooooove Werewolves.

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:41 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...


Well, to come out with my weird game, I had the Predator show up in a
Vampire game once to hunt down a few humans, but when he saw what
vampires
could do, he picked a new kind of target...
(hey wouldnt that make a great comic book?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...

>
>...I'd been playing Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi a little too much
>that week. ;)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:17 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>A Star Wars/Streetfighter crossover? My players would hang me, no
>questions.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:41 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>>
>>for the record, there has been ONE player death in all of the time

I've

>>been running Street Fighter, and that was because, during a Star Wars
>>crossover adventure, he tried to take cover behind a table when a
>>Thermal Detonator went off three feet away.
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They sure would, but all I had as players were vampires... I'm supposing
that being an alien race, they wouldn't even be victim to the Delirium
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:56 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...

>
>Predators would looooooove Werewolves.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:41 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>Well, to come out with my weird game, I had the Predator show up in a
>Vampire game once to hunt down a few humans, but when he saw what
>vampires
>could do, he picked a new kind of target...
>(hey wouldnt that make a great comic book?)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:45 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>
>
>>
>>...I'd been playing Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi a little too much
>>that week. ;)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:17 PM
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>>
>>
>>A Star Wars/Streetfighter crossover? My players would hang me, no
>>questions.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:41 AM
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:...aaaaand furdermaw...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>for the record, there has been ONE player death in all of the time
>I've
>>>been running Street Fighter, and that was because, during a Star Wars
>>>crossover adventure, he tried to take cover behind a table when a
>>>Thermal Detonator went off three feet away.
>>>
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I said "Possibly". I've seen too many wierd things in
this world to discount the fact that something like
Kabaddi is real...I just wasn't sure. Also, if you
read the background on Majestic Crow, it was developed
by a fighter watching a crow fight with a snake (I
believe, my memory is rusty on that one, since I no
longer have "Perfect Warrior".

--- Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...> wrote:

> Hey josh.
>
> No kabbadi does exist. I thoght the same till I same
> a big Indian guy with a
> Kabaddi Shiry, but its no much like the game
> version.
> And majestic crow is said to be related to crane
> style in the description(I
> beleive).
>
>
> >From: Josh Diemert <BoomerGold@...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:16:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >90% of the Styles listed in the Street Fighter
> books
> >are REAL styles...since White Wolf and Capcom
> worked
> >fairly close together on the game, and Capcom used
> >real styles for their fighters...the only ones that
> >are possibly made up are Kabaddi (possibly, they do
> >describe it as a form of combat yoga), Spanish
> >Ninjitsu (which Vega created from bullfighter
> training
> >and true Ninjitsu) and Ler Drit (Soviet "Special
> >Forces" mixed with Dark Chi power/Psycho
> >Power)...There are so many substyles of Kung Fu out
> >there that Majestic Crow could very well exist.
> >
> >As for the maneuvers, a good 85% to 90% of them are
> >real as well, or based in martial arts legend. The
> >rest are considered "manifestations of a fighter's
> >inner ability, usually brought about by an accident
> or
> >intense training". Although I have never seen a
> >Capcom Street Fighter use Ice Blast...
> >
> >--- Steve Karstensen
> ><skarstensen@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw it on a documentary about the history of
> Kung
> > > Fu and the Shaolin
> > > temples. The Learning Channel, or Discovery, or
> > > some such. I've seen
> > > similar performances in real-life at karate
> > > exhibitions where a master
> > > would have a pair of swords placed on him and
> then
> > > have an assistant
> > > pile on loads of bricks. Pretty impressive. A
> > > friend of mine has seen
> > > some Shaolin monk demonstrations where they
> fought
> > > on top of bamboo
> > > poles, Ranma-style. That, coupled with the
> young
> > > Chinese acrobats I saw
> > > who could catch ten/twenty feet of air *without*
> a
> > > springboard, leads me
> > > to believe that Street Fighter's fiction may
> have
> > > more basis in fact
> > > than we realize.
> > >
> > > Fireball? Sign me up.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Pascuttini
> > > [mailto:rpascuttini@...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:11 PM
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > >
> > >
> > > Yah Ive heard about it to. Supposedly there is a
> > > group of shaolin monks
> > > going around doing various mystical things. Ive
> seen
> > > it on tv to. Its an
> > >
> > > aspect of chi kung.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "J. Scott Pittman"
> <joespitt@...>
> > > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:32:56 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Waaaaiiitttt a second....
> > > >you saw this preformed in real life?
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Steve Karstensen
> > > <skarstensen@...>
> > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > >Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:15 AM
> > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I saw a demo of a cross between San He and
> > > Toughskin. One guy tried
> > > to
> > > > >basically impale another guy with the point
> of a
> > > sword. He put his
> > > full
> > > > >weight into it but the other guy just stood
> > > there. Finally the other
> > > > >guy let out a yell and charged, bending the
> sword
> > > in half.
> > > > >
> > > > >My question tho, is Howard once told me that
> > > 'real life' San He
> > > really
> > > > >did work against grappling. Is this true,
> and
> > > the SF book is just in
> > > > >error?
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Josh Diemert
> > > [mailto:BoomerGold@...]
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:12 PM
> > > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >San He is designed to "root" a character to
> the
> > > ground
> > > > >with Chi, making them completely
> immovable...I
> > > have
> > > > >seen it IRL...it's very impressive...
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Robert Pascuttini
> <rpascuttini@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> Actually, Im not sure if the San he will
> stop
> > > the
> > > > >> charater doing the cart
> > > > >> wheel. We have all seen in the street
> fighter
> > > games
> > > > >> that a move such as
> > > > >> cartwheel seems to continue even if the
> person
> > > is
> > > > >> blocking.
> > > > >> Try the Hurricane kick on some on and the
> get
> > > pushed
> > > > >> allittle and even if
> > > > >> there back is against the wall the
> hurricane
> > > keeps
> > > > >> going.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: Josh Diemert
> <BoomerGold@...>
> > > > >> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail
> campaign
> > > > >> >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:41:07 -0800
> (PST)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >--- "J. Scott Pittman"
> > > <joespitt@...>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > No doubt there are many ways to avoid
> this
> > > > >> maneuver,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Yep, there are at least 3...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >San He: roots the character to the ground,
> so
> > > they
> > > > >> >CANNOT be moved at all...stops the CWK in
> it's
> > > > >> tracks.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Ghost Form: the CWK passes right through,
> with
> > > no
> > > > >> >damage (and an easy ring-out if they're at
> the
>

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You are Correct, Sir.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Diemert [mailto:BoomerGold@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:14 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign


I said "Possibly". I've seen too many wierd things in
this world to discount the fact that something like
Kabaddi is real...I just wasn't sure. Also, if you
read the background on Majestic Crow, it was developed
by a fighter watching a crow fight with a snake (I
believe, my memory is rusty on that one, since I no
longer have "Perfect Warrior".

--- Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...> wrote:

> Hey josh.
>
> No kabbadi does exist. I thoght the same till I same
> a big Indian guy with a
> Kabaddi Shiry, but its no much like the game
> version.
> And majestic crow is said to be related to crane
> style in the description(I
> beleive).
>
>
> >From: Josh Diemert <BoomerGold@...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 10:16:38 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >90% of the Styles listed in the Street Fighter
> books
> >are REAL styles...since White Wolf and Capcom
> worked
> >fairly close together on the game, and Capcom used
> >real styles for their fighters...the only ones that
> >are possibly made up are Kabaddi (possibly, they do
> >describe it as a form of combat yoga), Spanish
> >Ninjitsu (which Vega created from bullfighter
> training
> >and true Ninjitsu) and Ler Drit (Soviet "Special
> >Forces" mixed with Dark Chi power/Psycho
> >Power)...There are so many substyles of Kung Fu out
> >there that Majestic Crow could very well exist.
> >
> >As for the maneuvers, a good 85% to 90% of them are
> >real as well, or based in martial arts legend. The
> >rest are considered "manifestations of a fighter's
> >inner ability, usually brought about by an accident
> or
> >intense training". Although I have never seen a
> >Capcom Street Fighter use Ice Blast...
> >
> >--- Steve Karstensen
> ><skarstensen@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw it on a documentary about the history of
> Kung
> > > Fu and the Shaolin
> > > temples. The Learning Channel, or Discovery, or
> > > some such. I've seen
> > > similar performances in real-life at karate
> > > exhibitions where a master
> > > would have a pair of swords placed on him and
> then
> > > have an assistant
> > > pile on loads of bricks. Pretty impressive. A
> > > friend of mine has seen
> > > some Shaolin monk demonstrations where they
> fought
> > > on top of bamboo
> > > poles, Ranma-style. That, coupled with the
> young
> > > Chinese acrobats I saw
> > > who could catch ten/twenty feet of air *without*
> a
> > > springboard, leads me
> > > to believe that Street Fighter's fiction may
> have
> > > more basis in fact
> > > than we realize.
> > >
> > > Fireball? Sign me up.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Pascuttini
> > > [mailto:rpascuttini@...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:11 PM
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > >
> > >
> > > Yah Ive heard about it to. Supposedly there is a
> > > group of shaolin monks
> > > going around doing various mystical things. Ive
> seen
> > > it on tv to. Its an
> > >
> > > aspect of chi kung.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "J. Scott Pittman"
> <joespitt@...>
> > > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 19:32:56 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Waaaaiiitttt a second....
> > > >you saw this preformed in real life?
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Steve Karstensen
> > > <skarstensen@...>
> > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > >Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:15 AM
> > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I saw a demo of a cross between San He and
> > > Toughskin. One guy tried
> > > to
> > > > >basically impale another guy with the point
> of a
> > > sword. He put his
> > > full
> > > > >weight into it but the other guy just stood
> > > there. Finally the other
> > > > >guy let out a yell and charged, bending the
> sword
> > > in half.
> > > > >
> > > > >My question tho, is Howard once told me that
> > > 'real life' San He
> > > really
> > > > >did work against grappling. Is this true,
> and
> > > the SF book is just in
> > > > >error?
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Josh Diemert
> > > [mailto:BoomerGold@...]
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 1:12 PM
> > > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail campaign
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >San He is designed to "root" a character to
> the
> > > ground
> > > > >with Chi, making them completely
> immovable...I
> > > have
> > > > >seen it IRL...it's very impressive...
> > > > >
> > > > >--- Robert Pascuttini
> <rpascuttini@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> Actually, Im not sure if the San he will
> stop
> > > the
> > > > >> charater doing the cart
> > > > >> wheel. We have all seen in the street
> fighter
> > > games
> > > > >> that a move such as
> > > > >> cartwheel seems to continue even if the
> person
> > > is
> > > > >> blocking.
> > > > >> Try the Hurricane kick on some on and the
> get
> > > pushed
> > > > >> allittle and even if
> > > > >> there back is against the wall the
> hurricane
> > > keeps
> > > > >> going.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: Josh Diemert
> <BoomerGold@...>
> > > > >> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: E-mail
> campaign
> > > > >> >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 12:41:07 -0800
> (PST)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >--- "J. Scott Pittman"
> > > <joespitt@...>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > No doubt there are many ways to avoid
> this
> > > > >> maneuver,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Yep, there are at least 3...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >San He: roots the character to the ground,
> so
> > > they
> > > > >> >CANNOT be moved at all...stops the CWK in
> it's
> > > > >> tracks.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Ghost Form: the CWK passes right through,
> with
> > > no
> > > > >> >damage (and an easy ring-out if they're at
> the
>

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In my opinion, you were right...even an established
Snake will vary his moves...after all Snake Kung Fu is
the sneakiest, most underhanded, devious...(at this
point, my conscience smacks me in the back of the head
with a Roundhouse)...um, what I meant was...it's hard
to explain, but Snake style is a sneaky style, and
fighters fight like the Snake...the PC was becoming
predictable, and you penalized him for it. Real
"Snakes" (both the animal and the stylist) are never
predictable...

Josh

--- Steve Karstensen
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>
> I don't usually ask the group for rulings, BUT...
>
> this has bugged me for a while. A guy in my group
> was playing a Snake
> Kung Fu stylist. By the time he achieved rank 5,
> his maneuver list was
> pretty impressive. However, I noticed that every
> single one of his
> fights went as such;
>
> Deflecting Punch, Drunken Monkey Roll/Jump, Power
> Uppercut. Rinse and
> repeat. Be sure to occasionally vary the order of
> the maneuvers or use
> Zen No Mind once and a while. Once, after seeing
> this for about five
> tourneys straight, I docked him an Honor point and
> informed him that it
> was time to stop relying on the same three maneuvers
> if he wanted to
> advance his style. His response? "But that's what
> Snake Kung Fu does."
>
> To this day it bugs me. Was I right? Was he right?
> Can you be
> justified in penalizing someone who plays true to
> form, even if being
> true to form means settling into a predictable
> groove?
>
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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> one of these days I should run a damn campaign online... *grumble
> grumble grouch grouch*

Wai, wai! Steve's going to run an online campaign! Wai! (Sorry, just in
one of those moods)

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> * Chun Li is the stuff of Legend.

No. Chun Li is the stuff of dreams. Mmmmmm...Chun Li...

Notice how while Steve get's crankier, I get more cheerful? I wonder why.

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> eh, not particularly. I know guns are far less lethal than they should
> be for a reason, but there are certain instances where common sense
> needs to take over, and doing so in such instances is not due to sadism,
> but practicality. How many of you out there use optional rules for
> character death even though there are none in the system? Should
> players ever have anything to fear if they know that technically, they
> cannot die?

Just about the only time PC death happends in my campaing is during 'the
noble self-sacrifice' scenario. NPC death happens whenever I say so.

Besides, death should be at least hinted at in every game. My favorite
character from Perfect Warrior (one of the Lightingin Fists) was the guy
who had killed another human being in the ring. It wasn't even a street
fight, just wrestling. There was a crack. Then there was silence. He
was probably the best White Wolf created villan because he was the
deepest.

Ok, I slightly went off topic, what were we talking about again?

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okay then, Chun Li's *cleavage* is the stuff of legend.

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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:40 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules


--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> * Chun Li is the stuff of Legend.

No. Chun Li is the stuff of dreams. Mmmmmm...Chun Li...

Notice how while Steve get's crankier, I get more cheerful? I wonder
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you just watch your mouth, buddy, or I'll do it just to piss you off. :p

(;))

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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:37 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules


--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> one of these days I should run a damn campaign online... *grumble
> grumble grouch grouch*

Wai, wai! Steve's going to run an online campaign! Wai! (Sorry, just
in
one of those moods)

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> while we're on the subject, I really wish I knew what my players had
> against Musical Accompaniment. Whenever they fight an opponent who has
> it, they go utterly out of their way to disable the source of music in
> any way possible. I've had one release his Animal Companion (a six foot
> King cobra) into a mariachi band, another use a tranquilizer gun on a
> team manager holding a radio, and yet another refuse to fight unless the
> music was turned off.

*shrugs* It's an edge for the NPC, I suppose. But so is fighing in the
NPC's arena (at least according to the Player's guide). Quite frankly,
the last one was the most acceptable solution to the problem. I hope you
docked the other guys' some honor for endangering bystanders.

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You don´t understand me is 10-your blind fight skill is 7 and not 10 but your
rule is good I need to think how rule I use.

"J. Scott Pittman" wrote:

> Hmmmm that eye rake is a great maneuver, but the house rules for blindness
> could use a bit of tweaking. I have a Blindfighting of 3 and my difficulty
> to fight blind is 10? A level 3 in the rulebook says "you are aware of your
> general suroundings at all times"... 10 isnt even listed on the difficulty
> chart, it's only supposed to be used in special occasions... what would my
> difficulty be if I had a skill of 2 or below?
>
> I suggest a difficulty based on the Blindfighting Ability + Perception, as
> follows:
>
> 12- Perception + Blindfighting = Difficulty (maximum Difficulty 10, minumum
> Difficulty 6)
>
> Examples:
> 2 Perception, 3 Blindfighting = Difficulty 7
> 4 Perception, 0 Blindfighting = Difficulty 8
> 2 Perception, 0 Blindfighting = Difficulty 10 (now that makes sense)
> 5 Perception, 5 Blindfighting = Difficulty 6 (normal Difficulty)
>
> just a suggestion. if my Difficulty is a 10 to fight blind, why bother
> spending points to get 3 levels of Blindfighting??
>
> J. Scott Pittman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:53 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] "Friendly Fight" 30 Talon Master Vs Mr.Military.
>
> >I´m using my optinal rules for this bout, but if someone have the official
> >rule and send to me and I will have no problems in blindness cases.
> >
> >
> >Talon Master style: Lua country: Hawaii/Samoa player: Andy
> >
> >Appearance: Young with tanned skin, he's quite small but has a very tight
> >frame. Althought in great shape, his face has been rearranged many times.
> >His hair normally covers his eyes, and is kept long and tied back in the
> >rear. He has polynesian tatoos across his back and on his deltoids. He
> >normally wares a Huge straw hat, and a Hawaiian shirt. In the ring he only
> >wares a short sarong (skirt) and a shark tooth necklace. He has two cyborg
> >hands...He wares large leather gloves that come up to his forearms (look
> >like falconier gloves), to try and cover them out of combat.
> >
> >Quote before fight: "Approach....." and his band starts playing thier fast
> >beat polynesian music. He walks out, pulls off his gloves, and then throws
> >away his hat. He bounces with the beat of the music until the fight starts.
> >
> > Vs
> >
> >Mr.Military style: Special Forces country: Usa player: J.Scot Pittman.
> >
> >Appearance: Mr. Military, an afirian-american, dresses in a marine full
> >military dress uniform, and is very clean cut. However, he is almost
> >always seen smoking a smelly cigar. His expression is always one of disgust
> >or seriousness. Mr.Military stands 6 ft. exactly, with black, crew-cut
> hair,
> >deep brown eyes.
> >He bears a scar of unknown origin that runs from the top of the left
> >side of his forehead all the way down the side of his face.
> >
> >Arena: A beach in Hawaii.
> >
> >Move 1- Mr Military move 1 hex to make a Foot sweep but Talon Master is
> >more faster and move 2 hexes to make a Eye Rake for his combo Mr.Military
> >receives: 1 point of damage and Mr.Military scream in pain, blinded for
> next
> >turn.
> >Move 2- Mr.Military is blinded but pass in his blind fight skill and make a
> >back flip k ick and move 2 hexes back and Talon Master moves 2 hexes and
> >make a Dislocated limb Mr.Military receives:1 point of damage and
> Mr.Militar
> >arm is dislocated. Ps: Mr.Military recover his vision in end of this turn
> >Move 3- Mr.Military block and Talon Master make a Head bite susteinted
> >Mr.Military receives: 2 points of damage Strenght vs Strenght contest
> >Mr.Military wins and force Talon Master to release him from his hold.
> >Move 4- Talon Master make a Head bite susteinted and Mr.Military make a
> >foot sweep for his combo but too slow and Mr.Military receives: 3 points
> of
> >damage Str vs Str and Talon Master continue his hold, Mr.Military combo is
> >broken.
> >Move 5- Talon Master make a Head bite and Mr.Military receives: 4 points
> of
> >damage.
> >Move 6- Mr.Military block and Talon Master make a Eye rake and Mr.Military
> >receives: 1 point of damage and Mr.Military is blind.
> >Move 7- Mr.Military is blind but pass in blind fight skill and Talon
> Master
> >make a Head bite and Mr.Military receives: 3 points of damage and knockout.
> >Talon Master wins by knockout.
> >Talon Master Wares huge hat, and big leather gloves.
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> >wounds...."
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yep. the funny part is, they consider it an acceptable tradeoff to keep
the other guy from getting his music.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:48 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules

Quite frankly,
the last one was the most acceptable solution to the problem. I hope
you
docked the other guys' some honor for endangering bystanders.

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@CONCURRENTTECHNOLOGIES.com> wrote:

>
> okay then, Chun Li's *cleavage* is the stuff of legend.

You said it, not me.

*If the image doesn't go through, please tell me off list. This is my
first time with yahoo's attachments and I'm not sure it will work right.


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Walking in Hawaii beach what the good and cleaner boxer see a Militar man
fighting with a guy appear a native but is more much more, he defeat the militar
guy with quickness and this music isn´t only music have some special.

Hey you said the Watson the boxer guy, nice bout but your tricks don´t work
against a real hard guy.
Like you? Said Talon Master.
What you talk my tongue this could be fun, I´m Thomas Watson boxer champ and I´m
making some training for the tournament.
The tournament, said Talon Master.
Yup Tournament you known arena, punch, block, kick
Don´t make jokes with me stranger, I don´t like your words.
If you defeat me I eat them all for all and you gain a new best friend.

Watson Challenges Talon Master what did say Andy?

--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> you just watch your mouth, buddy, or I'll do it just to piss you off. :p
>
> (;))

ARE YOU THREATING ME?!?

Please do.

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> yep. the funny part is, they consider it an acceptable tradeoff to keep
> the other guy from getting his music.

Oooooookayyyyyy...

Exactly what do you do when it's up anyway? Or are you player's just such
wuses that they can't handle an extra point of speed/damage/move?

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--- Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
> >
> > okay then, Chun Li's *cleavage* is the stuff of legend.
>
> You said it, not me.
>
> *If the image doesn't go through, please tell me off list. This is my
> first time with yahoo's attachments and I'm not sure it will work right.

Sorry about that. That _was_ just suppose to be to Steve. If I offended
any ladies on the list, I apologize. If I offended any guys on the list,
I still apoligize.

If I offended Mike with a large binary attachment, please don't send me to
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*shrug* it's not like I force them to listen to their opponent's music
or anything. Given the fact that Sarah Bryant fights to the Spice
Girls, they should be thankful. I guess they just don't like their
opponents getting bonuses.

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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:04 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules




--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> yep. the funny part is, they consider it an acceptable tradeoff to

keep

> the other guy from getting his music.

Oooooookayyyyyy...

Exactly what do you do when it's up anyway? Or are you player's just
such
wuses that they can't handle an extra point of speed/damage/move?

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I was surprised. I half expected that picture to be that nude
Cammy/Chun Li lesbian makeout hentai that Howard had as his desktop
wallpaper for a week and a half.

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Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 2:08 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: More house rules


--- Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...> wrote:

>
>
> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
> >
> > okay then, Chun Li's *cleavage* is the stuff of legend.
>
> You said it, not me.
>
> *If the image doesn't go through, please tell me off list. This is my
> first time with yahoo's attachments and I'm not sure it will work

right.

Sorry about that. That _was_ just suppose to be to Steve. If I
offended
any ladies on the list, I apologize. If I offended any guys on the
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I still apoligize.

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I've been playing with the idea of running an online game for a while,
but I didn't want to intrude on Darrick's territory. Since New Legends
appears to have gone kaput, I would like to run my own. After all, I've
been spouting off on this list for ages, I may as well put up or shut
up.

Those interested can E-mail me at skarsten@... with their most
convenient game times so's that I can decide on a day. Late-night
Saturday seemed to work well last time, so I'll most likely try that
this time. We'll use the egroups chat if possible, as well. Group
maximum will be four, so I'm not going to be able to approve all
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> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:41:14 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] I'm gonna do it.
>
>
> I've been playing with the idea of running an online game for a while,
> but I didn't want to intrude on Darrick's territory. Since New Legends
> appears to have gone kaput, I would like to run my own. After all, I've
> been spouting off on this list for ages, I may as well put up or shut
> up.
>
> Those interested can E-mail me at skarsten@... with their most
> convenient game times so's that I can decide on a day. Late-night
> Saturday seemed to work well last time, so I'll most likely try that
> this time. We'll use the egroups chat if possible, as well. Group
> maximum will be four, so I'm not going to be able to approve all
> requests to join.
>
> Stephen Karstensen
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