Hey Scott I was going to send it To steve karstein an Christian conkle.
:)

>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: W.O.D Styles
>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:16:02 -0800
>
>who do you want to send th file to?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 6:44 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: W.O.D Styles
>
>
> >Steve K ,Christian C. I want to send you text file Ive been working on. I
> >need you to tell me what you think and such.
> >
> >
> > Rob.
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I dunno. I think it would be neat to do a pre story with gouken as the main
character.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:57:07 -0500
>
>
>Gouken is one of those guys where you don't bother to write stats. You
>just give him whatever the hell you want him to have at the time and the
>only way anyone could get the upper hand on him is if you as the
>Storyteller decide it. Of course, in my campaign world Gouken is dead,
>jus' nobody knows it, nor why. ;)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini [mailto:rpascuttini@...]
>Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 9:30 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Challange to all at SF egroups
>
>
>Hey everyone.
>Im very curious, I would like to see everyones Idea of what the stats
>would
>be for gouken. Ken and Ryu's Master.
>
>The way I figure it he would be weaker than akuma since akuma killedhim,
>but
>I could be wrong.
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I really dont have much of a response but I have to write something because
I totally agree with you.

>From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:08:41 -0500
>
>It could have been a totally even fight, the odds then would have been
>50/50
>(depending on Gouken's attitude of course), Gouken may have even been
>better. Remember, just because someone loses a fight doesn't mean he is
>weaker than his opponent, just that he lost that fight. How many times has
>a
>weaker character defeated one of your powerful bosses in an RPG? I find
>it's
>pretty often.
>Gouken may have even been heads and tails stronger than Akuma, But he may
>have had some heart condition, a need to protect Ken & Ryu through self
>sacrifice, or he may have just realised it was his destiny to lose to
>Akuma.
>Until Capcom releases official details on that particular fight, (that'll
>be
>the day) we can only speculate.
>Just remember in roleplaying, the dots are secondary.
>
>-- Chris B.
>
>
> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:57:07 -0500
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
> >
> >
> > Gouken is one of those guys where you don't bother to write stats. You
> > just give him whatever the hell you want him to have at the time and the
> > only way anyone could get the upper hand on him is if you as the
> > Storyteller decide it. Of course, in my campaign world Gouken is dead,
> > jus' nobody knows it, nor why. ;)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Pascuttini [mailto:rpascuttini@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 9:30 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Challange to all at SF egroups
> >
> >
> > Hey everyone.
> > Im very curious, I would like to see everyones Idea of what the stats
> > would
> > be for gouken. Ken and Ryu's Master.
> >
> > The way I figure it he would be weaker than akuma since akuma killedhim,
> > but
> > I could be wrong.
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Hey andy.
First I wanna say Im glad you didnt take thwe sigh at the beggining of my
message harshly, or anything. I try to add characterization when I write
letters but sometimes get stupid with it.


Any ways, While I dont follow VG.comm fully, I have to admit that there info
on the SF games seems very well researched
I thought that the characters all said the same thing when they lost.

Yah Im always looking for new info my self as well.
my research has only gone as far as the Alpha series and SF2.
I still need to get info from Sf3.

My research has started to spread a little to rival school lately
, for a new story Im doing.

I think capcom has been intentionally inconsistent.

> > Sigh. Andy,
> > Lee is not Gen's son nor can you find any proof to back that up.
>
>Is he not now? Although I've yet to find it in writing the evidence would
>seem to point to that. I tried to get my info from the horses mouth so to
>speak.
>Go to your local your local arcade that has retro games and get on the SF1
>machine.
>Fly to china, and of course Lee will be first. However forfit the round.
>Uppon defeating you he pronounces "I'm Gen's Son"
>This can be diffuclt to hear if your arcade is noisy. If you have trouble
>finding I quiet area, then let me know, and I'll do my best to record the
>sound.
>
>I could, of course, be mis-hearing the sound. My disclaimer with any of
>these bits of SF history, keep in mind nothing I say is set in stone, and
>I'm ALWAYS looking for new info.
>
>
> > I know, Ive been researching Street fighter for the last 2 years.
>ah' hear that: i've been reaserching it for about 7 year jsut so ya know.
>=)
>
> > It is also the reason I dont fully follow videogames.com's
>I Agree with you about VG.com, it's very hard to tell fact from fiction,
>especialy when they mix trues and lies.
>Of course, Capcom's been anything but consistant with the stories...so lets
>move on.
>
>
>
> > I also contacted Capcom in order to gain info on street fighter.
> > I asked them if Yun and Yang were Gens grand children but lance at
> > Capcom said "No but that would be cool if they were."
> >
>Very kewl. I like the fact that you were able to contact Capcom directly.
>This sure makes is sound like I was mistaken. It's still possible that they
>contradicted themselves. Was lance at Cap of US, or Cap of Japan?
>
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It occured to me that people were being argumentative about shock (Awhile
ago) and rinaldo has set up that online fighting
tournament. He could have shock go up against other characters people think
coukd take him. but this would not be officially part
of his tournament series.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: POLL: Who Can Shock Beat
>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:10:33 -0500
>
>
>I just noticed that my name has been included in this. (Call me
>dense... :p)
>
>Anyway, just what am I supposed to be "proving"?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ronineric@... [mailto:ronineric@...]
>Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:59 PM
>To: streetfighter@...
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: POLL: Who Can Shock Beat
>
>
>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_cha-@...> wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=3169
> > Well I'm up for it but you'll still have to wait for
> > eric's answer.
> > -Chad Phillips a.k.a shock
>
>MY ANSWER IS!!!!!! o.k pick a day and lets do it.
>Your Friendly neighborhood Samurai:
>Ronin Eric
> >
>
> >
> > --- Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...> wrote:
> > > O I got a gret Idea since everyone here is insistent
> > > on disproving ronin
> > > eric lets have an online battle. It would solve or
> > > prove alot of things.
> > >
> > > Hey Mike Morgando, Steve, Christian Conkle, Rinaldo
> > > what do you think?
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: MITZPD@...
> > > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: POLL: Who Can Shock
> > > Beat
> > > >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:20:10 EDT
> > > >
> > > >Below is a character that some sent through egroups
> > > that if played right
> > > >could win
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Name: Kage no Kyn
> > > >Style: Kage Do (the way of Shadows)
> > > >School: Grand master Kage
> > > >Team: Incineraters
> > > >Concept: Gardener
> > > >Signature: his body glows blue with the power of
> > > his Chi
> > > >
> > > >Strength: 5 Charisma: 3 Perception: 6
> > > >Dexterity:5 Manipulation: 1 Intelligence:
> > > 6
> > > >Stamina: 5 Appearance: 4 Witts: 6
> > > >
> > > >Talents:
> > > >Alertness: 4 Insight: 5 Intimidation: 4
> > > Streetwise: 2 Subterfuge: 4
> > > >Skills:
> > > >Blind Fight: 5 Demolition: 2 Drive (Motorcycle):
> > > 5 Stealth: 5
> > > >Knowledges:
> > > >Arena: 4 Linguistics: 3 Mysteries: 6 Style
> > > Lore: 5 Occult: 6
> > > >Medicine: 5 Traditional Medicine: 5
> > > >
> > > >BACKGROUNDS
> > > >Sensei: 5 Elemental (Fire): 5 Mystical Contacts:
> > > 5
> > > >
> > > >TECHNIQUES
> > > >Punch: 5 Kick: 5 Block: 4 Grab: 5 Athletics:
> > > 6 Focus: 6 Katana: 5
> > > >
> > > >Chi: 10
> > > >Willpower: 10
> > > >Health: 20
> > > >
> > > >Rank: 7
> > > >Division: Freestyle
> > > >Honor: 11
> > > >Glory: 7
> > > >
> > > >Maneuvers (Kage Do)
> > > >Dimmak
> > > >Shockwave
> > > >Triple Strike
> > > >Foot Sweep
> > > >Dragon Kick
> > > >Double Hitt Kick
> > > >Makka warra
> > > >Punch Defence
> > > >Kick Defence
> > > >Back roll throw
> > > >Pheonix Rising
> > > >Throw
> > > >Backflipp
> > > >Groundfighting
> > > >Jump
> > > >Double Jump
> > > >Kippup
> > > >Chi Kung Healing
> > > >Chi Push
> > > >Chi Summon
> > > >Fire Ball
> > > >Flying Fireball
> > > >Ghost Form(Shadow Form)
> > > >Improved Fireball
> > > >Inferno Strike
> > > >Levitation
> > > >Mirror Image
> > > >Repeating Fireball
> > > >Stunning Shout
> > > >Teleport
> > > >Zen no mind
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Actually
Hey Andy. Are you able to back me up on this at all?
You ve been researching longer than I have and you seem to have seen the
game often.
I have a friend who has the game maybe I can ask him to confirm.

>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:00:28 PST
>
>Sure, I'll go with that. I was never one of the privileged that got to see
>the end sequence where Ryu originally defeated Sagat. I'll admit that I
>sucked at the first game when it first came out. Ran into it a couple of
>months ago at an arcade in a nearby city. Well, I kicked some major ass
>for
>a while, but then had to leave because of other stuff. Foiled again!
>
>True enough, however. Shin Shoryuken translates to True Dragon Punch.
>
>
>>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:26:50 EST
>>
>>Ahh chris...Actually I think it was a flaming dragon punch he defeated
>>sagat with. I remember watching it in the arcade.
>>As I recall there wasnt much of a choice at the end, when you defeated
>>sagat the computer would take over and do a graphic of ryu doing a dragon
>>punch to finish sagat. Im pretty sure it was flaming to.
>>
>>Im not sure if it was the very same punch, but shin Shoryu ken.
>>Im pretty sure that translates to True Dragon Punch.
>>
>>But I think your right he is a true master.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 01:27:43 PDT
>>>
>>>Actually, I think that's been addressed. If you recall from SF3, Ryu had
>>>the super "Shin-Shoryuken". Apparently, this is the very same punch that
>>>burned a scar in Sagat's chest. Also in SF3, the bio of Ryu states that
>>>he
>>>has indeed become a true master of Shotokan Karate. I'm pretty sure that
>>>it
>>>wasn't a Flaming Dragon Punch (otherwise he'd have the nifty little
>>>flaming
>>>trail effects that Fei Long did when he unleashed the Dragon Kick on Ryu
>>>during their *really* cool fight).
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: SlpStck@...
>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:30:22 EDT
>>>>
>>>>In a message dated 10/25/99 6:52:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>azathoth05@... writes:
>>>>
>>>><< Many times in anime out
>>>> of desperation a character pulls off a move he never could before or
>>>> accesses powers he never knew he had. >>
>>>>heck, ryu did it at the end of SF1. he beat sagat with a flaming dragon
>>>>punch, a move he STILL hasn't learned, btw.
>>>>
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Hey chris.
I still dont understand how you see it as a tournamnet at the begining
? can you explain this.

As for the character levels...Its something I had to deal with when I was
making SF1 characters. What level would ken and Ryu be at?
I set it at something I cant remeber.

Its interesting though. A friend of mine told me that when a liscence is
given to a company for story and such, what the people of the other company
come up with actually becomes part of that universe.
Im not totally sure about that though.

>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:23:46 PST
>
>Sure enough. I do agree with you on the fact that both Karin and Sakura
>are
>definitely not World Warriors. Not a problem. Actually, I still do think
>that it happens during a tournament sort of setting, just not a set
>tournament in one location. More, I think it's that they sort of start in
>a
>tournament then sort of stops being completely tournament when the
>characters meet their mid-bosses then move on to their goals (which
>involves
>taking down Bison at some point). Sounds completely convoluted, but bear
>with me here. Yes, I do agree that they do walk around and challenge each
>other, therefore they get the official matches, as per the RPG style of
>setting.
>
>However, when I meant that the characters were assumed to be at World
>Warrior Level, I stated it incorrectly. I just meant to say "comparable to
>the World Warriors in terms of skill, and technique". In other words,
>saying that they wouldn't get the crap kicked out of them by the Warriors
>and actually put up a fight. Again, not a problem. By the way, correct me
>if I'm wrong here, but I believe that the premise of the Alpha series was
>exactly what happened between SF1 and SF2. So, are the main characters at
>World Warrior level then? I happen to think that they might be at a Rank 6
>to 8, sort of on the cusp of the exalted rank 9 and 10.
>
>
>>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:21:07 EST
>>
>>I got to do the same Chris
>>Heres my reply:
>>
>>I dont agree that it was a "story that was happening during a tournament".
>>The SFa series of games best demonstrates the idea of the characters
>>wandering around and challanging one another when they meet each other as
>>the RPG states. This clearly happens when you play as sakura (or is it
>>Ken)
>>in SFA3. Sakura approaches ken and says
>>"Ken I challange you."
>>This is also shown as none of the characters end at a tournament,
>>especially at the end of sfa3 where they fight at bisons base.
>>And especially charlie who gets killed in all the SFA series games except
>>Sfa3.
>>
>>If you mean that it was a freestyle tournament where the characters wander
>>and try to challange another as per the RPG game, then yes I agree but I
>>dont beleive it is a tournament with placings as shown ins
>>SF2 and SF1.
>>
>>I do not beleive all the characters in SFA series are world warrior.
>>It would be ridiculous to think so. I doubt very much that Sakura and
>>Karin
>>are world warriors.
>>
>>The way I see it is as though the main world warriors are determined in
>>SF2
>>but the other characters either try to become or are on there way.
>>
>>Im sorry but the video game doesnt show that
>>
>>>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:56:37 PDT
>>>
>>>I agree/disagree here:
>>>
>>>1. Yup, I agree that SF1 and SF2 were tournaments.
>>>2. I disagree with SFA being just story. I'd say that it was more of a
>>>"story that happens during a tournament", so to speak. The matches
>>>happened, but each character won/lost the tournament, and eventually met
>>>up
>>>with an adversary that either hindered or furthered the character's
>>>goals.
>>>Sort of the way the end bosses for each of the characters were written
>>>in.
>>>
>>>Also, in response to Rinaldo, I believe that the book also states that
>>>characters who are World Warriors can come from any division. The video
>>>game series assumes that the characters in the tournaments are already at
>>>World Warrior rank. This help a bit?
>>>
>>>My two cents, at any rate. Anybody else got an opinion on this?
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:13:03 EDT
>>>>
>>>>Ok rinaldo several things.
>>>>
>>>>1. SF1 and SF@ were tournamemnts
>>>>2. SFA series is not a tournament, more like stories that happen to the
>>>>players. So they might not be official matchs.
>>>>
>>>>>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>>>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:50:14 -0200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I want figure out, the main book of STF explain about
>>>>>the
>>>>>options
>>>>>for a tournament and where he can be stay. The game are doubt to me
>>>>>because
>>>>>in
>>>>>the video game series people with hand guns (Eagle, Rolento, Vega,
>>>>>Hayate)
>>>>>using weapons, they win receive less honor and if the game is fight
>>>>>with
>>>>>hands,
>>>>>they are at right place? Because guys with weapons only in duelists
>>>>>tournaments?
>>>>>
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Wow .....I dont do it that way. Players can spend freebeis whenever they
want. so in my games they can take rekka ken does every one
do it steves way?

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:14:05 -0500
>
>
>correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it impossible to afford Rekka Ken
>with a starting character's point allotment? It takes Punch 4 (I think)
>and at least four power points. You can't put more than three points
>into punch when allocating your technique dots, so that means you don't
>qualify for the RK when you spend your seven special maneuver points.
>Then, when you spend your freebies, you take five for the extra punch
>dot, and then the RK will require like 16 more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rinaldo Gambetta [mailto:rinaldo@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:18 AM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>
>
>Except for one excession the boxer faster guy, you put Str 3 Dex 5
>Stamina 3,
>right after that you put 5 in punch technique and for a final touch you
>buy the
>Rekka Ken manuver and elbow smash, make a single combo with jab and
>elbow smash
>and end. I don�t know if you read the "Friendly" fights emails but at
>these two
>fights a jab with elbow smash dizzy the enemy fighter, and after this a
>block and
>rekka ken moves finish the job. Conclusion you can make a faster and at
>same time
>make a great damage for example the maximum damage of this guy are 12.
>
>Chris Baker wrote:
>
> > Just as an aside, for interest only. In real life, Speed is extremely
> > important in a fight. The actual damage inflicted in martial arts has
>more
> > to do with speed than strength. (except for something like wrestling)
>The
> > concept in Shotokan, for instance, is If you can throw a focused punch
>at
> > say 95MPH (not unreasonable trust me) You are impacting with a fist
> > travelling at 95MPH hitting a Generally 2"by 2" area (first two
>knuckles of
> > your fist), you are doing some serious damage. (their bones tend to
>break
> > more easily than the fist does too). There's a formula for it.
> > Power (damage) = mass X speed2 (squared)
> > By this reasoning, It is more advantageous to work on speed rather
>than bulk
> > and muscle. This concept is what truly sets Martial Arts apart from
> > Brawling, and allows a small person to overcome a bigger opponent.
>It's what
> > Martial Arts are all about, thats the secret.(well one of them)
> >
> > An example: Zangeif's strikes do damage because he's big. (Although if
>he
> > could become faster he would do more damage, a lot more, but he would
>have
> > to lose some bulk.)
> > Ryu does damage because he's skilled and fast.
> > Being faster than Zangeif also allows him to fight
>circles
> > around the poor Russian. Unless of course he gets grabbed.
> >
> > OPINION CORNER - <<<I really don't like the trading blows in
>Streetfighter,
> > I find them rather unrealistic. Blocks and Dodges are reactionary, not
> > planned, so I support making defence rolls instead of using the block
>or
> > dodge manoeuvre. Yes...Yes I know about spending the willpower point
>to
> > abort, but you CAN punch first in a fight and IMMEDIATELY block your
> > opponent's counterstrike, In Streetfighter you can't.>>>
> >
> > In Streetfighter I've almost always found that a combination of
>strength and
> > stamina generally won out over speed, except in fireball situations.
> >
> > SENARIO - The slow strong tough guy got his movement, The faster guy
> > interrupts and hits the slower guy but not enough to dizzy him
>(because of
> > his stamina) then stands there while the slower guy knocks him
> > dizzy,(because he spent most of his points on speed, the fool) and
>finishes
> > him a round later. It was a constant theme in our games. Speed guy
>loses. At
> > least until he fights someone just like him or he gets time to improve
>his
> > stamina or strength.
> >
> > -- Chris B.
> >
> > > From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
> > > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:13:36 PST
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
> > >
> > > Sure, I'll agree that speed helps a lot, but unless you knock the
>guy you're
> > > fighting out, or knock him down, or tie him up in any way, it's
>almost a
> > > sure fire bet that if he's in range to hit you, he will. Also, if
>he's
> > > moving at a much slower speed than you, you can be pretty sure that
>it'll be
> > > some really nasty move. Whatever that may be. I've had a bunch of
>players
> > > that decided to be really fast at one point, so I tossed a
>heavy-hitting,
> > > slow moving fighter against them. They thought of other strategies
>than
> > > just being faster than the other guy after that. It kept them on
>their toes
> > > a little. Actually, I have to thank Steve for some of that stuff.
>Now,
> > > players try to leave off the cheese a little.
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> > >> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
> > >> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:53:55 -0200
> > >>
> > >> All right you got the point but don�t need be angry, I don�t have
>my
> > >> Stf
> > >> mainbook actualy I lost the book on excursion and I want buy
>another one,
> > >> and no speed aren�t all but helps a lot.
> > >>
> > >> Preston Elizarde wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> --- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
> > >>>> Easy, boy, easy. Just a rules misinterpretation here. No need
>to
> > >>>> flame.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry I just had this dispute with a group of kids I am teaching
>how to
> > >>> play...and they just can't comprehend that speed isn't everything
>that
> > >>> strategy is.
> > >>>
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IT DOESNNNN'T MATTER IF THE CREATED A PEOPLES ELBOW......



.......Rooti pooti.

>I wish they just called Esquives, Dodge.
>I agree about the Wu Shu / Capoeria thing.
>But what's really been bothering me lately is; Has anyone created the
>people's elbow for Streetfighter? How about a flaming people's elbow? Or
>mabe even an air people's elbow? Or a burning vigour people's elbow.
>
>( about Halloween I made a spelling mistake that's appropriate,
> STREET FRIGHTER - ha!)
>
>-- Chris B.
>
>
> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:49:51 -0500
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't wa
>nt to
> > know)
> >
> >
> > Esquives, the perceivedly useless maneuver. +2 speed, lets you sidestep
> > a maneuver and wind up back in the same place at no cost. The combos
> > you can pull off with this are disgusting. ;)
> >
> > Wu Shu and Capoeira are two of the most powerful styles in the game
> > because of shit like this; they have *all* of the dodging maneuvers.
> > Backflip, Backflip Kick, Esquives/Displacement, Rolling Attack, Vertical
> > Rolling Attack, Flying Heel Stomp, that sort of thing. Combo well off
> > of those maneuvers and you'll never be touched.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:53 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't want
> > to know)
> >
> >
> > The only thing better, a character that can move after an attack (or
> > move
> > the opponent) Unless the opponent's got a fireball. I find if you have a
> > maneuver that allows a lot of movement after your attack (and before
> > usually) that doesn't cost you chi or willpower. you will win. always.
> >
> > -- Chris B.
> >
> >
> >> From: azathoth05@...
> >> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:39:04 -0800
> >> To: streetfighter@...
> >> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't
> > want to
> >> know)
> >>
> >> I just ran a tournament with 3 PC's and 5 NPC's, two of which were
> >> Siren and Kahn from Secrets of Shadowloo(aka starting level
> > characters.
> >> One PC was a Kung Fu guy with a high block to high speed elbow smash
> >> combo he lost to Siren's superior speed. Another was a Western
> >> Kickbocking no block but all power mid speed moves, he lost to Kahn's
> >> strength because he couldn't dizzy him before the return punches
> >> knocked him out. The third character was a blind capoeira dancer who
> >> had to roll perception three times a round to even hit the guy. He
> >> blew through all four matches and won the tournament. Why? The first
> >> guy chased Siren as she danced around, the second went punch for bunch
> >> with a stronger guy, but the dancer I don't think spent too rounds in
> >> the same hex. He used backflip kick, backroll throw, and Vertical
> >> rolling attack(knocks down aerial), plus his dex of 5, to keep his
> >> opponents from retaliating. You don't have to dizzy a guy to keep him
> >> from hitting you, throwing him out of range, using knockdown
> > maneuvers,
> >> and jumping away can keep you in control. And this guy had no block
> >> technique and no combos, nor was he a "power fighter"(no techniques
> >> over 3, and he spend freebies on perception not special powers). All
> >> in all I haveta say the fights were a lot more exciting than leaving
> >> two models on the table next to each other that just sit there for 8
> >> rounds exchanging punches. He also used a maneuver's movement to move
> >> out of range sometimes when it looked like moving in for the attack
> >> would get him clobbered, which was good tactics for his first match
> >> ever(2nd game, but he sawno combat in the first one). just because
> >> your foward kick lets you move two hexes doesn't mean it's gotta be
> >> towards the enemy!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> steve karstensen <skarstense-@...> wrote:
> >> original
> > article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=3234
> >>>
> >>> your speed guys need to learn grabs or knockdown maneuvers. Citing,
> >> for
> >>> example, Howard Collins' animal hybrid Judo Wolf; 6 Dex, Flying
> > Tackle
> >>> to Head Bite Combo. 3 Strength, 3 Stamina. Never took a scratch
> >>> because he kept his opponents tied up in holds the entire fight.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:57 AM
> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Just as an aside, for interest only. In real life, Speed is extremely
> >>> important in a fight. The actual damage inflicted in martial arts has
> >>> more
> >>> to do with speed than strength. (except for something like wrestling)
> >>> The
> >>> concept in Shotokan, for instance, is If you can throw a focused
> > punch
> >>> at
> >>> say 95MPH (not unreasonable trust me) You are impacting with a fist
> >>> travelling at 95MPH hitting a Generally 2"by 2" area (first two
> >> knuckles
> >>> of
> >>> your fist), you are doing some serious damage. (their bones tend to
> >>> break
> >>> more easily than the fist does too). There's a formula for it.
> >>> Power (damage) = mass X speed2 (squared)
> >>> By this reasoning, It is more advantageous to work on speed rather
> >> than
> >>> bulk
> >>> and muscle. This concept is what truly sets Martial Arts apart from
> >>> Brawling, and allows a small person to overcome a bigger opponent.
> >> It's
> >>> what
> >>> Martial Arts are all about, thats the secret.(well one of them)
> >>>
> >>> An example: Zangeif's strikes do damage because he's big. (Although
> > if
> >>> he
> >>> could become faster he would do more damage, a lot more, but he would
> >>> have
> >>> to lose some bulk.)
> >>> Ryu does damage because he's skilled and fast.
> >>> Being faster than Zangeif also allows him to fight
> >>> circles
> >>> around the poor Russian. Unless of course he gets grabbed.
> >>>
> >>> OPINION CORNER - <<<I really don't like the trading blows in
> >>> Streetfighter,
> >>> I find them rather unrealistic. Blocks and Dodges are reactionary,
> > not
> >>> planned, so I support making defence rolls instead of using the block
> >> or
> >>> dodge manoeuvre. Yes...Yes I know about spending the willpower point
> >> to
> >>> abort, but you CAN punch first in a fight and IMMEDIATELY block your
> >>> opponent's counterstrike, In Streetfighter you can't.>>>
> >>>
> >>> In Streetfighter I've almost always found that a combination of
> >> strength
> >>> and
> >>> stamina generally won out over speed, except in fireball situations.
> >>>
> >>> SENARIO - The slow strong tough guy got his movement, The faster guy
> >>> interrupts and hits the slower guy but not enough to dizzy him
> >> (because
> >>> of
> >>> his stamina) then stands there while the slower guy knocks him
> >>> dizzy,(because he spent most of his points on speed, the fool) and
> >>> finishes
> >>> him a round later. It was a constant theme in our games. Speed guy
> >>> loses. At
> >>> least until he fights someone just like him or he gets time to
> > improve
> >>> his
> >>> stamina or strength.
> >>>
> >>> -- Chris B.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
> >>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:13:36 PST
> >>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, I'll agree that speed helps a lot, but unless you knock the
> >> guy
> >>> you're
> >>>> fighting out, or knock him down, or tie him up in any way, it's
> >> almost
> >>> a
> >>>> sure fire bet that if he's in range to hit you, he will. Also, if
> >>> he's
> >>>> moving at a much slower speed than you, you can be pretty sure that
> >>> it'll be
> >>>> some really nasty move. Whatever that may be. I've had a bunch of
> >>> players
> >>>> that decided to be really fast at one point, so I tossed a
> >>> heavy-hitting,
> >>>> slow moving fighter against them. They thought of other strategies
> >>> than
> >>>> just being faster than the other guy after that. It kept them on
> >>> their toes
> >>>> a little. Actually, I have to thank Steve for some of that stuff.
> >>> Now,
> >>>> players try to leave off the cheese a little.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> >>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:53:55 -0200
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All right you got the point but don�t need be angry, I don�t have
> >> my
> >>>>> Stf
> >>>>> mainbook actualy I lost the book on excursion and I want buy
> >> another
> >>> one,
> >>>>> and no speed aren�t all but helps a lot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Preston Elizarde wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> --- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Easy, boy, easy. Just a rules misinterpretation here. No need
> >> to
> >>>>>>> flame.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry I just had this dispute with a group of kids I am teaching
> >> how
> >>> to
> >>>>>> play...and they just can't comprehend that speed isn't everything
> >>> that
> >>>>>> strategy is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> __________________________________________________
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> >>>>>> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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Nah, as far as Im concerned fei long is bruce lee to a tee.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>
>
>...III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled but
>he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed to
>rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
>it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire and
>teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>
>Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just died
>before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>
>Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and Enter
>the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
>I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
>he
>would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well
>-
>liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>fairly
>(thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>when
>he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>seen
>as a coward if he diddnt accept!
> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>could
>position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>something
>like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
>anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>boosted
>up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> >Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
> >Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
> >
> >Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
> ><paraphrased>
> >To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
>in
>any
> >of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
> >OR you can beat a WW in combat.
> >
> >Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
>than
> >rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
>is
> >saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
>up
> >dead, or retired.
> >Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
>drop
> >from the ranks.
> >In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>fall
> >from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
> >appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
> >excpect it to be temporary.
> >
> >
> >As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>Therfore
>you
> >shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more
>that
> >you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>any of
> >us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>the
> >SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling
>is
> >simple for every fight.
> >Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
>first
> >fight. And there must be a witness present.
> >I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
> >would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>fighter,
> >unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
> >unspeakables.
> >
> >On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
><Q>
> >and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
>that
> >we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
> >mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
> >
> >
> >>
> >> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>World
> >> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
> >> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
> >> first place).
> >>
> >> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
> >> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
> >> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
> >> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
> >> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
> >> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>as a
> >> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>was
> >> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
> >> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>anything
> >> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
> >>
> >> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
> >> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
> >> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>just
> >> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
> >> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
> >> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>suspect
> >> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>simulate
> >> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>rating
> >> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>will
> >> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
> >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >>
> >>
> >> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
> >> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
> >> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
> >> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
> >> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
> >> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>all
> >> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>up
> >> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
> >> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
> >> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
> >> running around... ??
> >>
> >> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
> >> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
> >> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
> >> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>walking
> >> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
> >> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
> >> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
> >> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
> >> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
> >> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
> >>
> >> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
> >> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
> >> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
> >> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
> >> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
> >> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
> >> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
> >> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
> >> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
> >>
> >> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
> >> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
> >> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
> >> > whatever
> >> > division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
> >> > quite
> >> > easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
> >> > to
> >> > maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
> >> > chances
> >> > are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
> >> > order.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
> >> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >> > Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
> >> > wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
> >> > that
> >> > if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
> >> > World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>World
> >> > Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
> >> > had
> >> > 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
> >> > w/o
> >> > all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>got
> >> > better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>that
> >> > number would skyrocket.
> >> >
> >> > So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>challenge
> >> > a
> >> > World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
> >> > kept
> >> > the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>noticed,
> >> > some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
> >> > T-Hawk
> >> > got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>back
> >> > before we changed added this rule.
> >> >
> >> > A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
> >> > -Laters!
> >> > -Chris!
> >> >
> >>
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Sure, I'll explain. Let's say that X fighter (such as Guy) is at given
Streetfighter tournament, squaring off against another fighter. He beats
the fighter, moves on, fights again, moves on (you get the general picture
here) until he comes across a scheduled fight against the "mid-boss" (I
think for Guy it was Gen, but that's a moot point). Well, the mid-boss says
something that completely catches Guy off guard, sparking his interest.
Maybe it was a bit of info that the opponent knew about that Guy wanted,
whatever. Either way, Guy becomes sidetracked, leaves said tourney, and
goes off on his own quest. At this point it becomes story. He finishes his
goal, which may or may not coincide with the tourney. Guy schedules
matchups with other opponents (hence continuing his record) and ultimately
completes his quest. At least that's what I figure for Alpha 1. In Alpha
2, the lines become much more blurred. In Alpha 3, it's almost completely
story with matchups thrown in. So I agree with you, I just had to throw my
angle on the whole thing in. Hope this clears up any confusion.

>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 03:29:41 EST
>
>Hey chris.
>I still dont understand how you see it as a tournamnet at the begining
>? can you explain this.
>
>As for the character levels...Its something I had to deal with when I was
>making SF1 characters. What level would ken and Ryu be at?
>I set it at something I cant remeber.
>
>Its interesting though. A friend of mine told me that when a liscence is
>given to a company for story and such, what the people of the other company
>come up with actually becomes part of that universe.
>Im not totally sure about that though.
>
>
>>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:23:46 PST
>>
>>Sure enough. I do agree with you on the fact that both Karin and Sakura
>>are
>>definitely not World Warriors. Not a problem. Actually, I still do think
>>that it happens during a tournament sort of setting, just not a set
>>tournament in one location. More, I think it's that they sort of start in
>>a
>>tournament then sort of stops being completely tournament when the
>>characters meet their mid-bosses then move on to their goals (which
>>involves
>>taking down Bison at some point). Sounds completely convoluted, but bear
>>with me here. Yes, I do agree that they do walk around and challenge each
>>other, therefore they get the official matches, as per the RPG style of
>>setting.
>>
>>However, when I meant that the characters were assumed to be at World
>>Warrior Level, I stated it incorrectly. I just meant to say "comparable
>>to
>>the World Warriors in terms of skill, and technique". In other words,
>>saying that they wouldn't get the crap kicked out of them by the Warriors
>>and actually put up a fight. Again, not a problem. By the way, correct
>>me
>>if I'm wrong here, but I believe that the premise of the Alpha series was
>>exactly what happened between SF1 and SF2. So, are the main characters at
>>World Warrior level then? I happen to think that they might be at a Rank
>>6
>>to 8, sort of on the cusp of the exalted rank 9 and 10.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 21:21:07 EST
>>>
>>>I got to do the same Chris
>>>Heres my reply:
>>>
>>>I dont agree that it was a "story that was happening during a
>>>tournament".
>>>The SFa series of games best demonstrates the idea of the characters
>>>wandering around and challanging one another when they meet each other as
>>>the RPG states. This clearly happens when you play as sakura (or is it
>>>Ken)
>>>in SFA3. Sakura approaches ken and says
>>>"Ken I challange you."
>>>This is also shown as none of the characters end at a tournament,
>>>especially at the end of sfa3 where they fight at bisons base.
>>>And especially charlie who gets killed in all the SFA series games except
>>>Sfa3.
>>>
>>>If you mean that it was a freestyle tournament where the characters
>>>wander
>>>and try to challange another as per the RPG game, then yes I agree but I
>>>dont beleive it is a tournament with placings as shown ins
>>>SF2 and SF1.
>>>
>>>I do not beleive all the characters in SFA series are world warrior.
>>>It would be ridiculous to think so. I doubt very much that Sakura and
>>>Karin
>>>are world warriors.
>>>
>>>The way I see it is as though the main world warriors are determined in
>>>SF2
>>>but the other characters either try to become or are on there way.
>>>
>>>Im sorry but the video game doesnt show that
>>>
>>>>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:56:37 PDT
>>>>
>>>>I agree/disagree here:
>>>>
>>>>1. Yup, I agree that SF1 and SF2 were tournaments.
>>>>2. I disagree with SFA being just story. I'd say that it was more of a
>>>>"story that happens during a tournament", so to speak. The matches
>>>>happened, but each character won/lost the tournament, and eventually met
>>>>up
>>>>with an adversary that either hindered or furthered the character's
>>>>goals.
>>>>Sort of the way the end bosses for each of the characters were written
>>>>in.
>>>>
>>>>Also, in response to Rinaldo, I believe that the book also states that
>>>>characters who are World Warriors can come from any division. The video
>>>>game series assumes that the characters in the tournaments are already
>>>>at
>>>>World Warrior rank. This help a bit?
>>>>
>>>>My two cents, at any rate. Anybody else got an opinion on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Robert Pascuttini" <rpascuttini@...>
>>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>>>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 21:13:03 EDT
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok rinaldo several things.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. SF1 and SF@ were tournamemnts
>>>>>2. SFA series is not a tournament, more like stories that happen to the
>>>>>players. So they might not be official matchs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Duelists
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 09:50:14 -0200
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I want figure out, the main book of STF explain about
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>options
>>>>>>for a tournament and where he can be stay. The game are doubt to me
>>>>>>because
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the video game series people with hand guns (Eagle, Rolento, Vega,
>>>>>>Hayate)
>>>>>>using weapons, they win receive less honor and if the game is fight
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>hands,
>>>>>>they are at right place? Because guys with weapons only in duelists
>>>>>>tournaments?
>>>>>>
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