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Group: streetfighter Message: 3305 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3306 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3307 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3308 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3309 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3310 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3311 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3312 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou ps
Group: streetfighter Message: 3313 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3314 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3315 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3316 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3317 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3318 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3319 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3320 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3321 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
Group: streetfighter Message: 3322 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
Group: streetfighter Message: 3323 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3324 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3325 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3326 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3327 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Eureka!
Group: streetfighter Message: 3328 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3329 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3330 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3331 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3332 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Eureka!
Group: streetfighter Message: 3333 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3334 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3335 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3336 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3337 From: Charles Little Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3338 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3339 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3340 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Eureka!
Group: streetfighter Message: 3341 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3342 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3343 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3344 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3345 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3346 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3347 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3348 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3349 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3350 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3351 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3352 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3353 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages
Group: streetfighter Message: 3354 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages



Group: streetfighter Message: 3305 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Excuse me for those of us who have no idea what a LARP
is what is it?

-Chad Phillips

--- JSorochins@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/10/99 1:42:48 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> ptc075@... writes:
>
> << One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire
> LARP scene played an
> NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work
> too well. You've
> got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate
> SF & the World of
> Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP.
> Next time I see him
> I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close
> to 3 years ago now.
> All I remember is that the character had just a
> ton of
> personality/background, so she had plenty of
> subplot stuff going on to
> keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you
> really need that to keep
> the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about
> it, you could mod
> the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG.
> I'm not positive, but
> I believe in my friend's case, they just treated
> him as a normal human,
> with techniques instead of disciplines & special
> moves instead of
> special abilities... >>
>
> Thanks for your comments. I don't think the LARP I
> play would ever let me
> play a streetfighter, I'm in one of those real
> strict ones, which has
> advantages and disadvantages.
>
> I would like to start my own strictly Streetfighter
> LARP (at least a small
> one with a few friends). Since there has been no
> chorus of "Lawd, that will
> _never_ work", I believe I shall.
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3306 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
This the third fight of this series of friendly fights, while I wait
more people (Need at last more 6 and maximum 9) because I put some Npc
fighters for players receive some exp. Well this going to a great match,
good luck for Blaise (Chris Krug-Iron). With someone want to play just
send me a fighter. With origin country, a winning quote and tatics (ten
moves).

Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Country: Poland.
Appearence: A long blond hair guy with a red and gold chinese tunic
with typical shoes, blue eyes and white skin.
Vs

Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Country: U.S.A.
Appearence: A young man in his twenties. About 5 foot 9 inches tall,
weighs about 160 pounds. Of Caucasian descent, well-built, with
short dark red hair and grey eyes. Wears a black denim jacket over a
dark red t-shirt, black jeans, and biker boots with spurs.
Arena: A old gym, with many people looking.

The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fights
starts:

Move 1: Kozminski blocks and Blaise hit a strong punch damage but no
damage.
Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before with a
short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
combo.
Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl try of
pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
hit and Blaise stuns!!!
Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
points of damage and still stun!!!
Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.
Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from Blaise hit
him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
damage and he knock out.

Blaise helps Kozminsk to stand up and then calmly walks away.
No winning quote from Blaise:

It´s over folks Blaise wins for Knock out, good Tatic Chris Krug-Iron
see you next bout.
And remember when I have a good number of fighters I will start the
tournament.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3307 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
LARP: Live Action Role Playing. Walking around and doing stuff like in an
improv acting game.


>From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:50:53 -0800 (PST)
>
>Excuse me for those of us who have no idea what a LARP
>is what is it?
>
>-Chad Phillips
>
>--- JSorochins@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/10/99 1:42:48 PM Pacific
> > Standard Time,
> > ptc075@... writes:
> >
> > << One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire
> > LARP scene played an
> > NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work
> > too well. You've
> > got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate
> > SF & the World of
> > Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP.
> > Next time I see him
> > I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close
> > to 3 years ago now.
> > All I remember is that the character had just a
> > ton of
> > personality/background, so she had plenty of
> > subplot stuff going on to
> > keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you
> > really need that to keep
> > the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about
> > it, you could mod
> > the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG.
> > I'm not positive, but
> > I believe in my friend's case, they just treated
> > him as a normal human,
> > with techniques instead of disciplines & special
> > moves instead of
> > special abilities... >>
> >
> > Thanks for your comments. I don't think the LARP I
> > play would ever let me
> > play a streetfighter, I'm in one of those real
> > strict ones, which has
> > advantages and disadvantages.
> >
> > I would like to start my own strictly Streetfighter
> > LARP (at least a small
> > one with a few friends). Since there has been no
> > chorus of "Lawd, that will
> > _never_ work", I believe I shall.
> >
> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3308 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments, he
would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well -
liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory fairly
(thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted when
he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be seen
as a coward if he diddnt accept!
I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma could
position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or something
like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be boosted
up to at least Rank 9 or 10
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


>Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>
>Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
><paraphrased>
>To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10 in
any
>of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>
>Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower than
>rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone is
>saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended up
>dead, or retired.
>Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
drop
>from the ranks.
>In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2, fall
>from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
>excpect it to be temporary.
>
>
>As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no. Therfore
you
>shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more that
>you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as any of
>us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up the
>SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling is
>simple for every fight.
>Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
first
>fight. And there must be a witness present.
>I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
>would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie fighter,
>unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>unspeakables.
>
>On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW <Q>
>and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
that
>we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
>mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
>
>
>>
>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any World
>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>> first place).
>>
>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status as a
>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it was
>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept anything
>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>
>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it, just
>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you suspect
>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to simulate
>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases) rating
>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee will
>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's all
>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops up
>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>> running around... ??
>>
>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC walking
>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>
>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>
>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>> > whatever
>> > division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>> > quite
>> > easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>> > to
>> > maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>> > chances
>> > are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>> > order.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >
>> >
>> > This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>> > wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>> > that
>> > if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>> > World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of World
>> > Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>> > had
>> > 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>> > w/o
>> > all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters got
>> > better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like that
>> > number would skyrocket.
>> >
>> > So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you challenge
>> > a
>> > World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>> > kept
>> > the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have noticed,
>> > some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>> > T-Hawk
>> > got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign, back
>> > before we changed added this rule.
>> >
>> > A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>> > -Laters!
>> > -Chris!
>> >
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3309 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
where do i send my fighter for these games?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 3:45 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski


>This the third fight of this series of friendly fights, while I wait
>more people (Need at last more 6 and maximum 9) because I put some Npc
>fighters for players receive some exp. Well this going to a great match,
>good luck for Blaise (Chris Krug-Iron). With someone want to play just
>send me a fighter. With origin country, a winning quote and tatics (ten
>moves).
>
>Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Country: Poland.
>Appearence: A long blond hair guy with a red and gold chinese tunic
>with typical shoes, blue eyes and white skin.
> Vs
>
>Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Country: U.S.A.
>Appearence: A young man in his twenties. About 5 foot 9 inches tall,
>weighs about 160 pounds. Of Caucasian descent, well-built, with
>short dark red hair and grey eyes. Wears a black denim jacket over a
>dark red t-shirt, black jeans, and biker boots with spurs.
>Arena: A old gym, with many people looking.
>
>The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fights
>starts:
>
>Move 1: Kozminski blocks and Blaise hit a strong punch damage but no
>damage.
>Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before with a
>short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
>combo.
>Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl try of
>pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
>Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
>Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
>Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
>hit and Blaise stuns!!!
>Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
>points of damage and still stun!!!
>Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
>Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
>free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.
>Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from Blaise hit
>him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
>Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
>damage and he knock out.
>
>Blaise helps Kozminsk to stand up and then calmly walks away.
>No winning quote from Blaise:
>
>It´s over folks Blaise wins for Knock out, good Tatic Chris Krug-Iron
>see you next bout.
>And remember when I have a good number of fighters I will start the
>tournament.
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3310 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Just send it to my email (rinaldo@...). It´s Rank 1 fighter no
merit or flaws but extra backgrounds like elementals, animal hybrid or
cyborgs are valid you can use that backgrounds.
A important thing send too his origin country and tatics (ten moves) and if
you want a winning quote (optional) his appearance (just for others players
see how he´s like), history (optional) , picture (optional).
Note: ten moves: are tatic or estrategy your fighter will use a simple
example:

Move 1: jab
Move 2: Block
Move 3: Hurricane kick for combo (Hurricane kick for Dragon punch)
Move 4: Dragon punch
Move 5: Block
Move 6: Jab
Move 7: Block
Move 8: Hurricane kick for combo
Move 9: Dragon punch
Move 10: Roundhouse kick.

"J. Scott Pittman" wrote:

> where do i send my fighter for these games?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 3:45 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
>
> >This the third fight of this series of friendly fights, while I wait
> >more people (Need at last more 6 and maximum 9) because I put some Npc
> >fighters for players receive some exp. Well this going to a great match,
> >good luck for Blaise (Chris Krug-Iron). With someone want to play just
> >send me a fighter. With origin country, a winning quote and tatics (ten
> >moves).
> >
> >Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Country: Poland.
> >Appearence: A long blond hair guy with a red and gold chinese tunic
> >with typical shoes, blue eyes and white skin.
> > Vs
> >
> >Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Country: U.S.A.
> >Appearence: A young man in his twenties. About 5 foot 9 inches tall,
> >weighs about 160 pounds. Of Caucasian descent, well-built, with
> >short dark red hair and grey eyes. Wears a black denim jacket over a
> >dark red t-shirt, black jeans, and biker boots with spurs.
> >Arena: A old gym, with many people looking.
> >
> >The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fights
> >starts:
> >
> >Move 1: Kozminski blocks and Blaise hit a strong punch damage but no
> >damage.
> >Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before with a
> >short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
> >combo.
> >Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl try of
> >pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
> >Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
> >Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
> >Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
> >hit and Blaise stuns!!!
> >Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
> >points of damage and still stun!!!
> >Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
> >Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
> >free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.
> >Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from Blaise hit
> >him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
> >Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
> >damage and he knock out.
> >
> >Blaise helps Kozminsk to stand up and then calmly walks away.
> >No winning quote from Blaise:
> >
> >It´s over folks Blaise wins for Knock out, good Tatic Chris Krug-Iron
> >see you next bout.
> >And remember when I have a good number of fighters I will start the
> >tournament.
> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3311 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
Now Kane is a cool wrestler.

Any chance I can see the specs you came up with?

MikeM

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> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed
> vs.Strength)
>
> If you smellllllllllllllllllllllll!
>
> Actually I did convert Kane and he is one bad mama jama. I haven't sicked
>
> him on the players yet, they're way too weak right now!
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3312 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou ps
--- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
> Thanks Chris *smile* I can live again.
>
> -- Chris B.

He's Alive. ALIVE!!!!! Muah ha ha ha ha!

I've also got rules for the flaming barrels, the falling barrels
(unfortunately, not the ones from EX, just the standard ones) and the
block breaking rounds too (not the test your might stuff, the ones from
street fighter), if you're interested.

Has anyone converted the bonus rounds from Art of Fighting and/or Fatal
Fury/KoF?

> > From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:04:30 -0800 (PST)
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou
> ps
> >
> > --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
> >> I always preferred beating up the car, what ever happened to the car
> >> huh? I
> >> loved that car. *sob sniff*
> >>
> >> -- Chris B.
> >
> > Destroy a car in three rounds (30 seconds)
> >
> > The car has twenty health, a soak of 3, and covers 2 hexes (hey, that
> car
> > in SF2 looked really puny). Once the first half is demolished (10),
> the
> > warrior has to attack the second half.



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Group: streetfighter Message: 3313 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
--- Chris Nelson <ptc075@...> wrote:
> One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire LARP scene played an
> NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work too well. You've
> got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate SF & the World of
> Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP. Next time I see him
> I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close to 3 years ago now.
> All I remember is that the character had just a ton of
> personality/background, so she had plenty of subplot stuff going on to
> keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you really need that to keep
> the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about it, you could mod
> the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG. I'm not positive, but
> I believe in my friend's case, they just treated him as a normal human,
> with techniques instead of disciplines & special moves instead of
> special abilities...
>
> Sorry I can't help more, LARP-ing has never been my thing.
> -Laters all
> -Chris!
>
> (Are there enough people named Chris on this list yet??? I can always
> go get a few more.... =)

If it helps any, Chris isn't my real name. My real name is (or rather,
will be) Staredown.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3314 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
<< Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before
with a
> short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
> combo.>>

Ok, Im lost here. He only did 1 point of damage, so not enough to
dizzy Kozminski. So he should still get the stunning shout out.

<<Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl
try of
> pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
> Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
> Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
> Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
> hit and Blaise stuns!!!
> Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
> points of damage and still stun!!!>>
>
I thought you couldnt be dizzied for two rounds in a row. Or are
you referring to the fact that hes in a sustained hold and cant do anything?

<<Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
> Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
> free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.>>
>
He shouldnt have been stunned that long. Am I missing something?

<<Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from
Blaise hit
> him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
> Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
> damage and he knock out.>>
>
MikeM
Group: streetfighter Message: 3315 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Chris Nelson <ptc075@...> wrote:
> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state that
> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of World
> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we had
> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was w/o
> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters got
> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like that
> number would skyrocket.

One simple way to keep the WWs the demi-gods they're suppost to be is up
their stats while the player's characters advance. Of course, it
shouldn't be a one for one conversion, otherwise the players have no hope
of catching up.

What I do is I take the max number of experience points that the
characters _could_ have gotten (and I have yet to have a character reach
taht max, though a couple have gotten close) and multiply it by .75. Then
when the given WW shows up in the campaign, I look at how many XPs
he/she's accumulated and spend them on maneuvers, skills, or whatever else
I think they've been working on. The .75 multiplier makes it _possible_
for characters to eventualy overtake the WWs, but not easy. Incidently, I
do the same thing for any rivals the characters accumulate, creating a
mini arms race between the rivals and the PCs.

Plus it keeps 'em on their toes.

> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you challenge a
> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It kept
> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have noticed,
> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great. T-Hawk
> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign, back
> before we changed added this rule.
>
> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
> -Laters!
> -Chris!

Part of the problem in taking the fast road to World Warriorship, is
actually getting to fight a World Warrior. They rarely fight outside of
their division (World Warrior) and it has to be a sanctioned match to
count.

Of course, once you actually get your shot, I've seen a completely legal
begining level SF beat Zangief perfectly in two rounds (how, you ask?
Here's a hint, he had cartwheel kick).

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3316 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Andy <dlatrex@...> wrote:
> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>
> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
> <paraphrased>
> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10 in
> any
> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>
> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
> than
> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
> is
> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended up
> dead, or retired.

Actually, the WW division is unique in that you don't record wins/losses
when fighting in it. It's part of the reason why WWs rarely fight outside
it.

> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
> <Q>

It did? *checks* It did! How in the name God did that slip past me?
Except for maybe Cyber Akuma (anyone know which came first?)

> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>.

Personaly, I say Dhalsim and Blanka was the first elemental (fire and
electricity), but Gill's the first Dual Elemental.

Is now all
> that
> we are waiting for a hybrid?

I'm pretty sure that Blanka was ment to be the First Hybrid (Human/Spider
Monkey).


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Group: streetfighter Message: 3317 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
--- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
> Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up
> the
> rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell
> bent
> on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
>
> Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.

A SF/Hunter? That sounds interesting, at the very least. Personaly, I'd
set up SFs as a subset of Hunters, but each to his own.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3318 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...> wrote:
> > and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>.
>
> Personaly, I say Dhalsim and Blanka was the first elemental (fire and
> electricity), but Gill's the first Dual Elemental.

Oops, I forgot about Guile (Sound).

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3319 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
No I wrong but sent it (the fight) fast and no time to correct the double stun,
yes I can´t stun a fighter two times( one turn and in the next turn). In the
move 2 Kozminski not stun but Blaise combo are more faster than Kozminski
manuver for that reason he continue the combo. You´re right he is in a
susteinted hold and he stunned because that he can´t do anything, but after he
hit the grab the damage stun Blaise again( I know now this impossible) but for
my luck the susteinted hold don´t give any damage and in next turn Blaise
recovers and break the susteinted hold from Kozminski, and the result of fight
are honest and good.
I commit some mistakes, and I hope correct all them before I start the
tournament, and with luck bring more players.
Regards Rinaldo Gambetta.
"Morgado, Mike" wrote:

> << Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before
> with a
> > short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
> > combo.>>
>
> Ok, Im lost here. He only did 1 point of damage, so not enough to
> dizzy Kozminski. So he should still get the stunning shout out.
>
> <<Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl
> try of
> > pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
> > Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
> > Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
> > Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
> > hit and Blaise stuns!!!
> > Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
> > points of damage and still stun!!!>>
> >
> I thought you couldnt be dizzied for two rounds in a row. Or are
> you referring to the fact that hes in a sustained hold and cant do anything?
>
> <<Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
> > Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
> > free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.>>
> >
> He shouldnt have been stunned that long. Am I missing something?
>
> <<Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from
> Blaise hit
> > him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
> > Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
> > damage and he knock out.>>
> >
> MikeM
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3320 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Thats understandable, but just because he is starting a combo, if he didnt
do enough damage to dizzy the other fighter, the slow guy will still get his
move out. Weather his opponent is in a combo or not.

MikeM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta [SMTP:rinaldo@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:37 AM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
>
> No I wrong but sent it (the fight) fast and no time to correct the double
> stun,
> yes I can´t stun a fighter two times( one turn and in the next turn). In
> the
> move 2 Kozminski not stun but Blaise combo are more faster than Kozminski
> manuver for that reason he continue the combo. You´re right he is in a
> susteinted hold and he stunned because that he can´t do anything, but
> after he
> hit the grab the damage stun Blaise again( I know now this impossible) but
> for
> my luck the susteinted hold don´t give any damage and in next turn Blaise
> recovers and break the susteinted hold from Kozminski, and the result of
> fight
> are honest and good.
> I commit some mistakes, and I hope correct all them before I start the
> tournament, and with luck bring more players.
> Regards Rinaldo Gambetta.
> "Morgado, Mike" wrote:
>
> > << Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him
> before
> > with a
> > > short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
> > > combo.>>
> >
> > Ok, Im lost here. He only did 1 point of damage, so not enough
> to
> > dizzy Kozminski. So he should still get the stunning shout out.
> >
> > <<Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a
> wrongl
> > try of
> > > pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
> > > Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
> > > Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
> > > Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
> > > hit and Blaise stuns!!!
> > > Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive:
> 4
> > > points of damage and still stun!!!>>
> > >
> > I thought you couldnt be dizzied for two rounds in a row. Or
> are
> > you referring to the fact that hes in a sustained hold and cant do
> anything?
> >
> > <<Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no
> damage.
> > > Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
> > > free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.>>
> > >
> > He shouldnt have been stunned that long. Am I missing something?
> >
> > <<Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from
> > Blaise hit
> > > him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
> > > Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points
> of
> > > damage and he knock out.>>
> > >
> > MikeM
> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3321 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
they aren't as bad as people think. When I saw Skullomania stomping
through the city like Godzilla I nearly fell over laughing.

And then again, I always like looking at Blair. Mmmmm..... CG Chun Li.

I'm sorry, where was I?

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Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups


In a message dated 11/10/99 1:32:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,
inrifrost@... writes:

<< One more thing. The endings in the first game didn't really explain
anything at all. They were actually CG movie bits that had the
characters
doing something (i.e. Ken doing a Dragon Punch, Skullomania revelling
in the
fact that he figures he's finally become a superhero, etc.) and no text
as a
follow-up to the movie. So nothing is really explained. Sucked
bigtime. >>

I had heard that the endings were unsatisfying. Still would like to
know
what they were though. So its cool I know something about Ken and
Skullomania now :)

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3322 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
I liked the Tekken 3 endings best of all, even though they explained
jack shit.

Mokujin's was the best... watching his kids play Tekken 3 as Mokujin,
then getting his ass kicked by Mrs. Mo. heheh

-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... [mailto:JSorochins@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 10:58 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups


In a message dated 11/10/99 6:34:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
staredown@... writes:

<< The endings were all short, little FMV sceens with no text at all,
It's
been quite a while, so all I remember at all are Evil Hokuto (sp),
Crackerjack (one of my favorite characters), and Allen's Endings

Evil Hokuto:

Hokuto is standing on a hill with her eyes glowing. She looks around
for
a moment, then the camera retracts, revealing the broken bodies of the
other fighters.

Crackerjack:

Crackerjack is running along the train tracks when a train starts
heading
towards him. He accelerates and decks the train with his uppercut
punch
(can't remember it's name).

Allen Snider:

Allen is standing in front of this temple with two large statues. He
then
shatters the statues (I can't remember if it's because they came to
life
and attacked him, or if smahing statues is something a true martial
artis
just has to do).

Personaly, I like the ones from Tekken 2 better, they were much cooler
storywise (Armor King's ending still gets me) and better quality too.
>>


Cool cool cool. Now I have Alan's, Evil Hokuto's and Cracker Jack's
endings.
Soon my collection will be complete...heh, heh, heh


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Group: streetfighter Message: 3323 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
"In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
fall
from grace prematurely."

...I have. Ryu and the rest of the honorables ostracized Chun Li when
she put a bullet into Vega's kneecap. ;)

Long story. Rest in peace, Ms. Li.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3324 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
...most of the time, badly, to the annoyance of the rest of the
convention-goers.

*grumble*

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 7:09 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP


LARP: Live Action Role Playing. Walking around and doing stuff like in
an
improv acting game.


>From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:50:53 -0800 (PST)
>
>Excuse me for those of us who have no idea what a LARP
>is what is it?
>
>-Chad Phillips
>
>--- JSorochins@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 11/10/99 1:42:48 PM Pacific
> > Standard Time,
> > ptc075@... writes:
> >
> > << One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire
> > LARP scene played an
> > NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work
> > too well. You've
> > got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate
> > SF & the World of
> > Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP.
> > Next time I see him
> > I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close
> > to 3 years ago now.
> > All I remember is that the character had just a
> > ton of
> > personality/background, so she had plenty of
> > subplot stuff going on to
> > keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you
> > really need that to keep
> > the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about
> > it, you could mod
> > the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG.
> > I'm not positive, but
> > I believe in my friend's case, they just treated
> > him as a normal human,
> > with techniques instead of disciplines & special
> > moves instead of
> > special abilities... >>
> >
> > Thanks for your comments. I don't think the LARP I
> > play would ever let me
> > play a streetfighter, I'm in one of those real
> > strict ones, which has
> > advantages and disadvantages.
> >
> > I would like to start my own strictly Streetfighter
> > LARP (at least a small
> > one with a few friends). Since there has been no
> > chorus of "Lawd, that will
> > _never_ work", I believe I shall.
> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3325 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
...III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled but
he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed to
rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire and
teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.

Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just died
before he would have achieved such powers, I think.

Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and Enter
the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
he
would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well
-
liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
fairly
(thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
when
he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
seen
as a coward if he diddnt accept!
I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
could
position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
something
like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
boosted
up to at least Rank 9 or 10
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


>Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>
>Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
><paraphrased>
>To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
in
any
>of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>
>Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
than
>rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
is
>saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
up
>dead, or retired.
>Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
drop
>from the ranks.
>In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
fall
>from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
>excpect it to be temporary.
>
>
>As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
Therfore
you
>shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more
that
>you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
any of
>us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
the
>SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling
is
>simple for every fight.
>Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
first
>fight. And there must be a witness present.
>I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
>would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
fighter,
>unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>unspeakables.
>
>On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
<Q>
>and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
that
>we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
>mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
>
>
>>
>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
World
>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>> first place).
>>
>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
as a
>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
was
>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
anything
>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>
>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
just
>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
suspect
>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
simulate
>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
rating
>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
will
>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
all
>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
up
>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>> running around... ??
>>
>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
walking
>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>
>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>
>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>> > whatever
>> > division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>> > quite
>> > easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>> > to
>> > maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>> > chances
>> > are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>> > order.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >
>> >
>> > This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>> > wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>> > that
>> > if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>> > World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
World
>> > Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>> > had
>> > 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>> > w/o
>> > all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
got
>> > better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
that
>> > number would skyrocket.
>> >
>> > So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
challenge
>> > a
>> > World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>> > kept
>> > the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
noticed,
>> > some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>> > T-Hawk
>> > got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
back
>> > before we changed added this rule.
>> >
>> > A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>> > -Laters!
>> > -Chris!
>> >
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3326 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Dhalsim is not a fire elemental. There's a difference between
controlling an element and using your chi to mimic that element.
Granted, both cost Chi to do, but it's different. Otherwise anyone who
chucks fireballs could be considered an elemental.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:12 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


--- Andy <dlatrex@...> wrote:
> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>
> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
> <paraphrased>
> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
in
> any
> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>
> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
> than
> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
everyone
> is
> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
up
> dead, or retired.

Actually, the WW division is unique in that you don't record wins/losses
when fighting in it. It's part of the reason why WWs rarely fight
outside
it.

> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
WW
> <Q>

It did? *checks* It did! How in the name God did that slip past me?
Except for maybe Cyber Akuma (anyone know which came first?)

> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>.

Personaly, I say Dhalsim and Blanka was the first elemental (fire and
electricity), but Gill's the first Dual Elemental.

Is now all
> that
> we are waiting for a hybrid?

I'm pretty sure that Blanka was ment to be the First Hybrid
(Human/Spider
Monkey).


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Group: streetfighter Message: 3327 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Eureka!
For the longest time, a suitable challenge for me has been to emulate
the difficulty of reading a Drunken fighter's moves without coming up
with a load of house rules. After all, Drunken Boxing, like any other
form of Kung Fu, can be emulated by just selecting the appropriate
maneuvers from the Kung Fu list. But what of the inherently misleading
nature of the staggering stance?

I finally figured it out.

Any fighter attempting to glean information on a Drunken fighter's moves
using the standard Perception + Insight roll needs to roll either
several difficulty levels higher to pick up any useful knowledge (IE,
combat cards) or should make a resisted roll against the Drunken
stylist's Dex + Subterfuge.

There it is. Short, simple, and non-imbalancing.

Comments?
Group: streetfighter Message: 3328 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Streetfighters everywhere are depending on you Chris. Show em' who's the
king of the castle.
Hey! King of the Castle!!! That could be a tournament fight!!!

-- Chris B.


> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:05:12 PST
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
>
> Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up the
> rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell bent
> on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
> Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.
>
>
>> From: JSorochins@...
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:26:39 EST
>>
>> In a message dated 11/10/99 1:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> ptc075@... writes:
>>
>> << One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire LARP scene played an
>> NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work too well. You've
>> got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate SF & the World of
>> Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP. Next time I see him
>> I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close to 3 years ago now.
>> All I remember is that the character had just a ton of
>> personality/background, so she had plenty of subplot stuff going on to
>> keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you really need that to keep
>> the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about it, you could mod
>> the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG. I'm not positive, but
>> I believe in my friend's case, they just treated him as a normal human,
>> with techniques instead of disciplines & special moves instead of
>> special abilities... >>
>>
>> Thanks for your comments. I don't think the LARP I play would ever let me
>> play a streetfighter, I'm in one of those real strict ones, which has
>> advantages and disadvantages.
>>
>> I would like to start my own strictly Streetfighter LARP (at least a small
>> one with a few friends). Since there has been no chorus of "Lawd, that
>> will
>> _never_ work", I believe I shall.
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3329 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think of fictional
Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind fight!!!!! I'd give
Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!!

-- Chris B.


> From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:47:02 -0800 (PST)
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
>
> I like can for purposes of WWF, but him up against a
> street fighter and he get turned into a pile of goo. I
> could just see someone hitting him with a dragon punch
> woops there goes his head. Although I would prefer him
> over the damn undertaker what the heck is with him
> anyway last time I saw him he looked like a frigging
> biker. First it was the cheap leather armor than the
> stupid looking robes and now this. Why can't he just
> back to wearing the cool undertaker outfit with the
> gloves, hat, and cloak that was much cooler. Anyway
> sorry I wen't flying off the topic on that one.
>
> -Chad Phillips
>
> --- Azathoth05@... wrote:
>> If you smellllllllllllllllllllllll!
>>
>> Actually I did convert Kane and he is one bad mama
>> jama. I haven't sicked
>> him on the players yet, they're way too weak right
>> now!
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3330 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
says in the back of Contenders that pro wrestlers like to hop onto the
circuit and prove themselves, but quickly back out when they discover
that street fighters are unimpressed by all of their posturing.

personally, that amuses me to no end.

"What're you gonna do sucka, when these thirty-two-inch pythons come
down on you?!"

"This."

*snap*

"Aaaaaaugh!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:30 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed
vs.Strength)


I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think of fictional
Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind fight!!!!! I'd give
Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!!

-- Chris B.


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> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:47:02 -0800 (PST)
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed
vs.Strength)
>
> I like can for purposes of WWF, but him up against a
> street fighter and he get turned into a pile of goo. I
> could just see someone hitting him with a dragon punch
> woops there goes his head. Although I would prefer him
> over the damn undertaker what the heck is with him
> anyway last time I saw him he looked like a frigging
> biker. First it was the cheap leather armor than the
> stupid looking robes and now this. Why can't he just
> back to wearing the cool undertaker outfit with the
> gloves, hat, and cloak that was much cooler. Anyway
> sorry I wen't flying off the topic on that one.
>
> -Chad Phillips
>
> --- Azathoth05@... wrote:
>> If you smellllllllllllllllllllllll!
>>
>> Actually I did convert Kane and he is one bad mama
>> jama. I haven't sicked
>> him on the players yet, they're way too weak right
>> now!
>>
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3331 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to teleport or
throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick. The
move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He did it
in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok so
it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original Dragon
Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact based
on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled but
> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed to
> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire and
> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>
> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just died
> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>
> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and Enter
> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
> he
> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well
> -
> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
> fairly
> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
> when
> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
> seen
> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
> could
> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
> something
> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
> boosted
> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>
>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>> <paraphrased>
>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
> in
> any
>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>
>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
> than
>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
> is
>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
> up
>> dead, or retired.
>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
> drop
>> from the ranks.
>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
> fall
>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>
>>
>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
> Therfore
> you
>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more
> that
>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
> any of
>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
> the
>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling
> is
>> simple for every fight.
>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
> first
>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
> fighter,
>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>> unspeakables.
>>
>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
> <Q>
>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
> that
>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
> World
>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>>> first place).
>>>
>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
> as a
>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
> was
>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
> anything
>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>
>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
> just
>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
> suspect
>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
> simulate
>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
> rating
>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
> will
>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
> all
>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
> up
>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>> running around... ??
>>>
>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
> walking
>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>
>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>
>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>> whatever
>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>> quite
>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>>>> to
>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>> chances
>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>> that
>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
> World
>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>> had
>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>>>> w/o
>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
> got
>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
> that
>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>
>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
> challenge
>>>> a
>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>> kept
>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
> noticed,
>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>> T-Hawk
>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
> back
>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>
>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>> -Laters!
>>>> -Chris!
>>>>
>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3332 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Eureka!
I would just make the difficulty one or two points higher. Certainly all
Streetfighters have at least heard of drunken style (all Martial Artists I
know do) and it's bacic ideas. I mean we have.
Besides, just an extra difficulty is easier and eliminates another roll.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:15:39 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Eureka!
>
>
> For the longest time, a suitable challenge for me has been to emulate
> the difficulty of reading a Drunken fighter's moves without coming up
> with a load of house rules. After all, Drunken Boxing, like any other
> form of Kung Fu, can be emulated by just selecting the appropriate
> maneuvers from the Kung Fu list. But what of the inherently misleading
> nature of the staggering stance?
>
> I finally figured it out.
>
> Any fighter attempting to glean information on a Drunken fighter's moves
> using the standard Perception + Insight roll needs to roll either
> several difficulty levels higher to pick up any useful knowledge (IE,
> combat cards) or should make a resisted roll against the Drunken
> stylist's Dex + Subterfuge.
>
> There it is. Short, simple, and non-imbalancing.
>
> Comments?
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3333 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.

A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.

Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
Warrior.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
teleport or
throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
The
move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
did it
in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok
so
it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
Dragon
Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
based
on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
but
> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
to
> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
and
> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>
> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
died
> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>
> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
Enter
> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
> he
> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
well
> -
> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
> fairly
> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
> when
> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
> seen
> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
> could
> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
> something
> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
doubt
> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
> boosted
> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>
>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>> <paraphrased>
>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
> in
> any
>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>
>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
lower
> than
>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
everyone
> is
>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
> up
>> dead, or retired.
>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
him
> drop
>> from the ranks.
>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
> fall
>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
I
>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>
>>
>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
> Therfore
> you
>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
more
> that
>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
> any of
>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
> the
>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
ruling
> is
>> simple for every fight.
>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
thier
> first
>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank
8
>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
> fighter,
>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>> unspeakables.
>>
>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
WW
> <Q>
>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
all
> that
>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
a
>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
Robot?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
> World
>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>>> first place).
>>>
>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
entering
>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
blaze
>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
I
>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
> as a
>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
> was
>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
> anything
>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>
>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
> just
>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
rank
>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
> suspect
>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
> simulate
>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
> rating
>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
> will
>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
because
>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
> all
>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
> up
>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>> running around... ??
>>>
>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
else's
>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
> walking
>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
by
>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>
>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
ran
>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
with
>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
tell
>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
By
>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
we'd
>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>
>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
the
>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
a
>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>> whatever
>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>> quite
>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>>>> to
>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>> chances
>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>> that
>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
> World
>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>> had
>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>>>> w/o
>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
> got
>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
> that
>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>
>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
> challenge
>>>> a
>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>> kept
>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
> noticed,
>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>> T-Hawk
>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
> back
>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>
>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>> -Laters!
>>>> -Chris!
>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3334 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
Don't have Contenders, don't care. The fun of imagination is the ability to
twist anything around.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:40:48 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Str ength)
>
>
> says in the back of Contenders that pro wrestlers like to hop onto the
> circuit and prove themselves, but quickly back out when they discover
> that street fighters are unimpressed by all of their posturing.
>
> personally, that amuses me to no end.
>
> "What're you gonna do sucka, when these thirty-two-inch pythons come
> down on you?!"
>
> "This."
>
> *snap*
>
> "Aaaaaaugh!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:30 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed
> vs.Strength)
>
>
> I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think of fictional
> Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
> I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind fight!!!!! I'd give
> Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!!
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:47:02 -0800 (PST)
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed
> vs.Strength)
>>
>> I like can for purposes of WWF, but him up against a
>> street fighter and he get turned into a pile of goo. I
>> could just see someone hitting him with a dragon punch
>> woops there goes his head. Although I would prefer him
>> over the damn undertaker what the heck is with him
>> anyway last time I saw him he looked like a frigging
>> biker. First it was the cheap leather armor than the
>> stupid looking robes and now this. Why can't he just
>> back to wearing the cool undertaker outfit with the
>> gloves, hat, and cloak that was much cooler. Anyway
>> sorry I wen't flying off the topic on that one.
>>
>> -Chad Phillips
>>
>> --- Azathoth05@... wrote:
>>> If you smellllllllllllllllllllllll!
>>>
>>> Actually I did convert Kane and he is one bad mama
>>> jama. I haven't sicked
>>> him on the players yet, they're way too weak right
>>> now!
>>>
>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3335 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a World
Warrior "in real-life".
So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very well be
able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do anyway).
Isn't Imagination GREAT!

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>
> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>
> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
> Warrior.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
> teleport or
> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
> The
> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
> did it
> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok
> so
> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
> Dragon
> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
> based
> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
> but
>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
> to
>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
> and
>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>
>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
> died
>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>
>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
> Enter
>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
>> he
>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
> well
>> -
>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>> fairly
>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>> when
>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>> seen
>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>> could
>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>> something
>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
> doubt
>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>> boosted
>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>
>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>> <paraphrased>
>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
>> in
>> any
>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>
>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
> lower
>> than
>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
> everyone
>> is
>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
>> up
>>> dead, or retired.
>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
> him
>> drop
>>> from the ranks.
>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>> fall
>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
> I
>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>> Therfore
>> you
>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
> more
>> that
>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>> any of
>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>> the
>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
> ruling
>> is
>>> simple for every fight.
>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
> thier
>> first
>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank
> 8
>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>> fighter,
>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>> unspeakables.
>>>
>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
> WW
>> <Q>
>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
> all
>> that
>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
> a
>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
> Robot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>> World
>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>>>> first place).
>>>>
>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
> entering
>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
> blaze
>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
> I
>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>> as a
>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>> was
>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>> anything
>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>
>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>> just
>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
> rank
>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>> suspect
>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>> simulate
>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>> rating
>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>> will
>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
> because
>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>> all
>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>> up
>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>> running around... ??
>>>>
>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
> else's
>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>> walking
>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
> by
>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>
>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
> ran
>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
> with
>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
> tell
>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
> By
>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
> we'd
>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>
>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
> the
>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
> a
>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>>> quite
>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>>>>> to
>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>> chances
>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>>>>> order.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>>> that
>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>> World
>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>>> had
>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>>>>> w/o
>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>> got
>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>> that
>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>> challenge
>>>>> a
>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>> kept
>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>> noticed,
>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>> back
>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3336 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my campaign
is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing the
two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able to
do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.

Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from that
of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
that true pros do.

And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
World
Warrior "in real-life".
So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very well
be
able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
anyway).
Isn't Imagination GREAT!

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>
> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>
> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
World
> Warrior.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
> teleport or
> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
> The
> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
> did it
> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
Ok
> so
> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
> Dragon
> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
> based
> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
> but
>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
> to
>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
make
>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
> and
>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>
>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
> died
>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>
>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
> Enter
>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
tournaments,
>> he
>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
> well
>> -
>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>> fairly
>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>> when
>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>> seen
>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>> could
>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>> something
>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
> doubt
>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>> boosted
>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>
>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>> <paraphrased>
>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
10
>> in
>> any
>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>
>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
> lower
>> than
>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
> everyone
>> is
>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
ended
>> up
>>> dead, or retired.
>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
> him
>> drop
>>> from the ranks.
>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>> fall
>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
guest
>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
> I
>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>> Therfore
>> you
>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
> more
>> that
>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>> any of
>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>> the
>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
> ruling
>> is
>>> simple for every fight.
>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
> thier
>> first
>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
rank
> 8
>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>> fighter,
>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>> unspeakables.
>>>
>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
> WW
>> <Q>
>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
> all
>> that
>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
> a
>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
> Robot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>> World
>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
the
>>>> first place).
>>>>
>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
word
>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
> entering
>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
circuit.
>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
> blaze
>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
> I
>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>> as a
>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>> was
>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>> anything
>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>
>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>> just
>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
> rank
>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
only
>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>> suspect
>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>> simulate
>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>> rating
>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>> will
>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
Warrior?
>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
> because
>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>> all
>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>> up
>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>> running around... ??
>>>>
>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
> else's
>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>> walking
>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
regain
>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
> by
>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
to
>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>
>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
> ran
>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
> with
>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
> tell
>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
> By
>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
> we'd
>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>
>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
> the
>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
> a
>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>>> quite
>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
hold
>>>>> to
>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>> chances
>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
in
>>>>> order.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>>> that
>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
a
>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>> World
>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>>> had
>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
was
>>>>> w/o
>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>> got
>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>> that
>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>> challenge
>>>>> a
>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>> kept
>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>> noticed,
>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>> back
>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3337 From: Charles Little Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I would reply to that, that you are basing someone who really existed,
against fictional characters that can do things that no real person
could...

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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Steve Karstensen wrote:

>
> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>
> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>
> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
> Warrior.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
> teleport or
> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
> The
> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
> did it
> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok
> so
> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
> Dragon
> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
> based
> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> > ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
> but
> > he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
> > Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
> to
> > rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
> > it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
> and
> > teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
> >
> > Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
> died
> > before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
> >
> > Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
> Enter
> > the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> > I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
> > he
> > would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
> well
> > -
> > liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
> > fairly
> > (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
> > when
> > he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
> > seen
> > as a coward if he diddnt accept!
> > I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
> > could
> > position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
> > preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
> > something
> > like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
> doubt
> > anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
> > boosted
> > up to at least Rank 9 or 10
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> >> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
> >> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
> >>
> >> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
> >> <paraphrased>
> >> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
> > in
> > any
> >> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
> >> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
> >>
> >> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
> lower
> > than
> >> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
> everyone
> > is
> >> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
> > up
> >> dead, or retired.
> >> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
> him
> > drop
> >> from the ranks.
> >> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
> > fall
> >> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
> >> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
> I
> >> excpect it to be temporary.
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
> > Therfore
> > you
> >> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
> more
> > that
> >> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
> > any of
> >> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
> > the
> >> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
> ruling
> > is
> >> simple for every fight.
> >> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
> thier
> > first
> >> fight. And there must be a witness present.
> >> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank
> 8
> >> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
> > fighter,
> >> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
> >> unspeakables.
> >>
> >> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
> WW
> > <Q>
> >> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
> all
> > that
> >> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
> a
> >> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
> Robot?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
> > World
> >>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
> >>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
> >>> first place).
> >>>
> >>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
> >>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
> entering
> >>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
> >>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
> blaze
> >>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
> I
> >>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
> > as a
> >>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
> > was
> >>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
> >>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
> > anything
> >>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
> >>>
> >>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
> >>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
> >>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
> > just
> >>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
> rank
> >>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
> >>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
> > suspect
> >>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
> > simulate
> >>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
> > rating
> >>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
> > will
> >>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
> >>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
> >>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
> >>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
> >>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
> because
> >>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
> > all
> >>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
> > up
> >>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
> >>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
> >>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
> >>> running around... ??
> >>>
> >>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
> else's
> >>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
> >>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
> >>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
> > walking
> >>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
> >>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
> by
> >>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
> >>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
> >>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
> >>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
> >>>
> >>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
> ran
> >>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
> with
> >>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
> >>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
> >>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
> tell
> >>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
> >>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
> By
> >>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
> we'd
> >>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
> >>>
> >>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
> the
> >>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
> a
> >>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
> >>>> whatever
> >>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
> >>>> quite
> >>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
> >>>> to
> >>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
> >>>> chances
> >>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
> >>>> order.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
> >>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
> >>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
> >>>> that
> >>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
> >>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
> > World
> >>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
> >>>> had
> >>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
> >>>> w/o
> >>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
> > got
> >>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
> > that
> >>>> number would skyrocket.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
> > challenge
> >>>> a
> >>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
> >>>> kept
> >>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
> > noticed,
> >>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
> >>>> T-Hawk
> >>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
> > back
> >>>> before we changed added this rule.
> >>>>
> >>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
> >>>> -Laters!
> >>>> -Chris!
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3338 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I agree. However, it has been stated that some of the abilities
displayed by the World Warriors are accessable in this world. I cite,
as an example, the fact that it is possible to throw a 100mph punch or
leap fifteen feet in the air without benefit of a springboard. So like
I said... using what abilities Lee displayed as a representation of what
he would know in the SF world isn't too far off..

Of course, a perfect way to settle this argument is thus;

Bruce may or may not have been a World Warrior in the 60s and 70s, if
the division existed back then. That depends on your timeline and how
far back the 'sport' of Street Fighting goes.

However, he's dead.

So we'll never know, will we?

Case closed.

;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Little [mailto:infinite@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:46 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


I would reply to that, that you are basing someone who really existed,
against fictional characters that can do things that no real person
could...

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On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Steve Karstensen wrote:

>
> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>
> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>
> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
World
> Warrior.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
> teleport or
> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
> The
> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
> did it
> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
Ok
> so
> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
> Dragon
> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
> based
> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> > ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
> but
> > he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
> > Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
> to
> > rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
make
> > it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
> and
> > teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
> >
> > Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
> died
> > before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
> >
> > Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
> Enter
> > the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> > I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
tournaments,
> > he
> > would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
> well
> > -
> > liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
> > fairly
> > (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
accepted
> > when
> > he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
be
> > seen
> > as a coward if he diddnt accept!
> > I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
> > could
> > position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
> > preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
> > something
> > like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
> doubt
> > anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
> > boosted
> > up to at least Rank 9 or 10
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >
> >
> >> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
> >> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
> >>
> >> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
> >> <paraphrased>
> >> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
10
> > in
> > any
> >> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
> >> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
> >>
> >> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
> lower
> > than
> >> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
> everyone
> > is
> >> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
ended
> > up
> >> dead, or retired.
> >> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
> him
> > drop
> >> from the ranks.
> >> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
SF2,
> > fall
> >> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
guest
> >> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
but
> I
> >> excpect it to be temporary.
> >>
> >>
> >> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
> > Therfore
> > you
> >> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
> more
> > that
> >> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
as
> > any of
> >> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
up
> > the
> >> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
> ruling
> > is
> >> simple for every fight.
> >> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
> thier
> > first
> >> fight. And there must be a witness present.
> >> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
rank
> 8
> >> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
> > fighter,
> >> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
> >> unspeakables.
> >>
> >> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
Cyborg
> WW
> > <Q>
> >> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
> all
> > that
> >> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
concidered
> a
> >> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
> Robot?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
> > World
> >>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
> >>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
the
> >>> first place).
> >>>
> >>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
word
> >>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
> entering
> >>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
circuit.
> >>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
> blaze
> >>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
> I
> >>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
status
> > as a
> >>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
> > was
> >>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
a
> >>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
> > anything
> >>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
> >>>
> >>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
> >>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
as
> >>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
it,
> > just
> >>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
> rank
> >>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
only
> >>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
> > suspect
> >>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
> > simulate
> >>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
> > rating
> >>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
> > will
> >>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
Warrior?
> >>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
it
> >>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
for
> >>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
if
> >>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
> because
> >>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
> > all
> >>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
pops
> > up
> >>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
> >>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
world
> >>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
> >>> running around... ??
> >>>
> >>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
> else's
> >>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
get
> >>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
> >>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
> > walking
> >>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
regain
> >>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
> by
> >>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
to
> >>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
a
> >>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
all
> >>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
> >>>
> >>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
> ran
> >>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
> with
> >>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
> >>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
Another
> >>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
> tell
> >>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
> >>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
> By
> >>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
> we'd
> >>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
> >>>
> >>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
> the
> >>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
of
> a
> >>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
> >>>> whatever
> >>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
is
> >>>> quite
> >>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
hold
> >>>> to
> >>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
> >>>> chances
> >>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
in
> >>>> order.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
> >>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
was
> >>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
state
> >>>> that
> >>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
a
> >>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
> > World
> >>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
we
> >>>> had
> >>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
was
> >>>> w/o
> >>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
> > got
> >>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
> > that
> >>>> number would skyrocket.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
> > challenge
> >>>> a
> >>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
> >>>> kept
> >>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
> > noticed,
> >>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
> >>>> T-Hawk
> >>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
> > back
> >>>> before we changed added this rule.
> >>>>
> >>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
> >>>> -Laters!
> >>>> -Chris!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3339 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>
> Dhalsim is not a fire elemental. There's a difference between
> controlling an element and using your chi to mimic that element.
> Granted, both cost Chi to do, but it's different. Otherwise anyone who
> chucks fireballs could be considered an elemental.

Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is the only one that does
(barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu and the crew shoot
blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force bubbles and other nonfire stuff.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3340 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Eureka!
--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> Any fighter attempting to glean information on a Drunken fighter's moves
> using the standard Perception + Insight roll needs to roll either
> several difficulty levels higher to pick up any useful knowledge (IE,
> combat cards) or should make a resisted roll against the Drunken
> stylist's Dex + Subterfuge.

I like the second one better.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3341 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I'd be interested to see why you don't consider a hadoken fire. Is it
because hadoken isn't a literal translation of fireball and everyone
just thinks so? :)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:02 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>
> Dhalsim is not a fire elemental. There's a difference between
> controlling an element and using your chi to mimic that element.
> Granted, both cost Chi to do, but it's different. Otherwise anyone
who
> chucks fireballs could be considered an elemental.

Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is the only one that does
(barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu and the crew shoot
blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force bubbles and other nonfire
stuff.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3342 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from that
> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.

That's an interesting concept, do you use brawling rules to?

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3343 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
no, I don't. While I don't knock "regular" martial artists or brawlers,
Street Fighters are just on a higher level. A Punch rating of two or
three is enough for a very skilled "normal" fighter because most thugs
or regular Joes on the street can't compete with that.

Likewise, many black belts are not Masters or even Sensei material.
They can fight, and often well, but not with the moves that the real
fighters use. You can't learn Hyper Fist at a contemporary gym or a
Boxercise class.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
that
> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.

That's an interesting concept, do you use brawling rules to?

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3344 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>
> I'd be interested to see why you don't consider a hadoken fire. Is it
> because hadoken isn't a literal translation of fireball and everyone
> just thinks so? :)

Because it doesn't look like one. You can tell it's a chi-projection
because if you pause the game (hard to do in an arcade, I'll grant you)
and look at it, you can see an image of Ryu or Ken's crossed fists inside
the image.

Dhalsim's on the other hand was a ball of fire (or a particularly vile
piece of phlegm, which would make him a snot elemental, I suppose).

Of course, this was back in the _old_ SF: the adjectiveless game. I don't
know if you can do it in any others.

And I always thought Hadoken meant wave motion fist.

Fun fact: Hadouken doesn't show up on my e-mail's spellchecker (yahoo) as
wrong. Is that cool or what?

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Group: streetfighter Message: 3345 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Since Bruce has entered Legendary status, I think he would have been a world
warrior of the past. And who says he's dead? Maybe he's hanging around with
Gouken and Charlie, planning the defeat of Akuma. Just because Bruce is
Fiction challenged, Doesn't mean Imagination can't be used in reference to
him, and other "unfortunately real" personalities as well. Bruce definitely
had the power and speed to be a world warrior, no doubt here. He perfected
the two inch punch that could knock a larger opponent six feet. And when we
talk about 100Mph punches, Bruce was one of the few guys who reached that
potential. Some of his strikes on film skipped frames!!!
Fei-Long was a tribute to Bruce-Lee, NOT the other way around.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:57:43 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I agree. However, it has been stated that some of the abilities
> displayed by the World Warriors are accessable in this world. I cite,
> as an example, the fact that it is possible to throw a 100mph punch or
> leap fifteen feet in the air without benefit of a springboard. So like
> I said... using what abilities Lee displayed as a representation of what
> he would know in the SF world isn't too far off..
>
> Of course, a perfect way to settle this argument is thus;
>
> Bruce may or may not have been a World Warrior in the 60s and 70s, if
> the division existed back then. That depends on your timeline and how
> far back the 'sport' of Street Fighting goes.
>
> However, he's dead.
>
> So we'll never know, will we?
>
> Case closed.
>
> ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Little [mailto:infinite@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:46 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I would reply to that, that you are basing someone who really existed,
> against fictional characters that can do things that no real person
> could...
>
> -----
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> stars..."
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>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Steve Karstensen wrote:
>
>>
>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>
>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>
>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
> World
>> Warrior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>> teleport or
>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
>> The
>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
>> did it
>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
> Ok
>> so
>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>> Dragon
>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
>> based
>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>> but
>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
>> to
>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
> make
>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
>> and
>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>
>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>> died
>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>
>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>> Enter
>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
> tournaments,
>>> he
>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>> well
>>> -
>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>> fairly
>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
> accepted
>>> when
>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
> be
>>> seen
>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>> could
>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>> something
>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>> doubt
>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>>> boosted
>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>
>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
> 10
>>> in
>>> any
>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>
>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>> lower
>>> than
>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>> everyone
>>> is
>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
> ended
>>> up
>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
>> him
>>> drop
>>>> from the ranks.
>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
> SF2,
>>> fall
>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
> guest
>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
> but
>> I
>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>> Therfore
>>> you
>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>> more
>>> that
>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
> as
>>> any of
>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
> up
>>> the
>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>> ruling
>>> is
>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>> thier
>>> first
>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
> rank
>> 8
>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>> fighter,
>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
> Cyborg
>> WW
>>> <Q>
>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
>> all
>>> that
>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
> concidered
>> a
>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>> Robot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>>> World
>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
> the
>>>>> first place).
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
> word
>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>> entering
>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
> circuit.
>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>> blaze
>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
>> I
>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
> status
>>> as a
>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>>> was
>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
> a
>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>> anything
>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
> as
>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
> it,
>>> just
>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>> rank
>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
> only
>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>> suspect
>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>> simulate
>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>> rating
>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>> will
>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
> Warrior?
>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
> it
>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
> for
>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
> if
>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>> because
>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>>> all
>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
> pops
>>> up
>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
> world
>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>> else's
>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
> get
>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>> walking
>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
> regain
>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
>> by
>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
> to
>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
> a
>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
> all
>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>> ran
>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>> with
>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
> Another
>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>> tell
>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>> By
>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>> we'd
>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>> the
>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
> of
>> a
>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
> is
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
> hold
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>> chances
>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
> in
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
> was
>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
> state
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
> a
>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>> World
>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
> we
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
> was
>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>> got
>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>> that
>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>> challenge
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>>> kept
>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>> noticed,
>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>> back
>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3346 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Personally I consider a Streetfighter to be anyone who fights in underground
tourneys, no magic about it. A Streetfighter I usually consider at Black
Belt level. (although even I at yellow belt know and can execute properly,
more moves than a beginning Streetfighter character!) As as Streetfighter
progresses they learn "the secrets" of martial power. It could even be
compared to the "Dans" of Blackbelt, But with "ancient mysteries revealed".
While it's true that most "Blackbelts" never bother to go any further, These
aren't the people we're talking about anyway.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:19:11 -0500
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> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> no, I don't. While I don't knock "regular" martial artists or brawlers,
> Street Fighters are just on a higher level. A Punch rating of two or
> three is enough for a very skilled "normal" fighter because most thugs
> or regular Joes on the street can't compete with that.
>
> Likewise, many black belts are not Masters or even Sensei material.
> They can fight, and often well, but not with the moves that the real
> fighters use. You can't learn Hyper Fist at a contemporary gym or a
> Boxercise class.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:06 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
> that
>> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
>> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
>> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
>> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>
> That's an interesting concept, do you use brawling rules to?
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3347 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
You're right Chris, Hadouken is a chi blast, probably more to do with force
than fire. (yin energy perhaps) But chi can be used to generate Fire (yang
energy), like in the flaming dragon punch+kick and Dhalsim's Yoga
Fire/Flame/Inferno.

-- Chris B.


> From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:14:13 -0800 (PST)
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
>
> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be interested to see why you don't consider a hadoken fire. Is it
>> because hadoken isn't a literal translation of fireball and everyone
>> just thinks so? :)
>
> Because it doesn't look like one. You can tell it's a chi-projection
> because if you pause the game (hard to do in an arcade, I'll grant you)
> and look at it, you can see an image of Ryu or Ken's crossed fists inside
> the image.
>
> Dhalsim's on the other hand was a ball of fire (or a particularly vile
> piece of phlegm, which would make him a snot elemental, I suppose).
>
> Of course, this was back in the _old_ SF: the adjectiveless game. I don't
> know if you can do it in any others.
>
> And I always thought Hadoken meant wave motion fist.
>
> Fun fact: Hadouken doesn't show up on my e-mail's spellchecker (yahoo) as
> wrong. Is that cool or what?
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3348 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
If you truly mesh the "real world" reference with the "fictional world"
aspects of Streetfighter, the door swings both ways.
Meaning, some Fiction becomes fact, AND fact becomes fiction.
Just as long as you understand this.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:16 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my campaign
> is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing the
> two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able to
> do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
> with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
> Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.
>
> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from that
> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>
> Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
> martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
> they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
> that true pros do.
>
> And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
> Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
> World
> Warrior "in real-life".
> So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
> Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very well
> be
> able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
> anyway).
> Isn't Imagination GREAT!
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>
>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>
>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
> World
>> Warrior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>> teleport or
>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
>> The
>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
>> did it
>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
> Ok
>> so
>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>> Dragon
>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
>> based
>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>> but
>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
>> to
>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
> make
>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
>> and
>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>
>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>> died
>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>
>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>> Enter
>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
> tournaments,
>>> he
>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>> well
>>> -
>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>> fairly
>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>>> when
>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>>> seen
>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>> could
>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>> something
>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>> doubt
>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>>> boosted
>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>
>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
> 10
>>> in
>>> any
>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>
>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>> lower
>>> than
>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>> everyone
>>> is
>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
> ended
>>> up
>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
>> him
>>> drop
>>>> from the ranks.
>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>>> fall
>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
> guest
>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
>> I
>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>> Therfore
>>> you
>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>> more
>>> that
>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>>> any of
>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>>> the
>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>> ruling
>>> is
>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>> thier
>>> first
>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
> rank
>> 8
>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>> fighter,
>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
>> WW
>>> <Q>
>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
>> all
>>> that
>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
>> a
>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>> Robot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>>> World
>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
> the
>>>>> first place).
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
> word
>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>> entering
>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
> circuit.
>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>> blaze
>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
>> I
>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>>> as a
>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>>> was
>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>> anything
>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>>> just
>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>> rank
>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
> only
>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>> suspect
>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>> simulate
>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>> rating
>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>> will
>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
> Warrior?
>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>> because
>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>>> all
>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>>> up
>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>> else's
>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>> walking
>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
> regain
>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
>> by
>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
> to
>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>> ran
>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>> with
>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>> tell
>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>> By
>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>> we'd
>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>> the
>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
>> a
>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
> hold
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>> chances
>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
> in
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
> a
>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>> World
>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
> was
>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>> got
>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>> that
>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>> challenge
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>>> kept
>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>> noticed,
>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>> back
>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3349 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
True... but I've got a very low level of power in my campaign world...
which is why I never had to alter the existing World Warriors, and a
Psycho Crusher still scares people. :)

Whatever works, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:17 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


If you truly mesh the "real world" reference with the "fictional world"
aspects of Streetfighter, the door swings both ways.
Meaning, some Fiction becomes fact, AND fact becomes fiction.
Just as long as you understand this.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:16 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my
campaign
> is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing the
> two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able
to
> do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
> with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
> Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.
>
> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
that
> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>
> Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
> martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
> they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
> that true pros do.
>
> And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
> Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
> World
> Warrior "in real-life".
> So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
> Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very
well
> be
> able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
> anyway).
> Isn't Imagination GREAT!
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they
need
>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a
light
>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>
>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>
>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
> World
>> Warrior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>> teleport or
>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
>> The
>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
>> did it
>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
> Ok
>> so
>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>> Dragon
>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
>> based
>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>> but
>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
>> to
>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
> make
>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
>> and
>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>
>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>> died
>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>
>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>> Enter
>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
> tournaments,
>>> he
>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>> well
>>> -
>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>> fairly
>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
accepted
>>> when
>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
be
>>> seen
>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>> could
>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>> something
>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>> doubt
>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>>> boosted
>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>
>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
> 10
>>> in
>>> any
>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>
>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>> lower
>>> than
>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>> everyone
>>> is
>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
> ended
>>> up
>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
>> him
>>> drop
>>>> from the ranks.
>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
SF2,
>>> fall
>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
> guest
>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
but
>> I
>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>> Therfore
>>> you
>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>> more
>>> that
>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
as
>>> any of
>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
up
>>> the
>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>> ruling
>>> is
>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>> thier
>>> first
>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
> rank
>> 8
>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>> fighter,
>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
Cyborg
>> WW
>>> <Q>
>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
>> all
>>> that
>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
concidered
>> a
>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>> Robot?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>>> World
>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
> the
>>>>> first place).
>>>>>
>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
> word
>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>> entering
>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
> circuit.
>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>> blaze
>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
>> I
>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
status
>>> as a
>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>>> was
>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
a
>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>> anything
>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
as
>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
it,
>>> just
>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>> rank
>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
> only
>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>> suspect
>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>> simulate
>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>> rating
>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>> will
>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
> Warrior?
>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
it
>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
for
>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
if
>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>> because
>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>>> all
>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
pops
>>> up
>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
world
>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>> else's
>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
get
>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>> walking
>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
> regain
>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
>> by
>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
> to
>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
a
>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
all
>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>> ran
>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>> with
>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
Another
>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>> tell
>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>> By
>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>> we'd
>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>> the
>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
of
>> a
>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
is
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
> hold
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>> chances
>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
> in
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
was
>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
state
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
> a
>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>> World
>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
we
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
> was
>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>> got
>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>> that
>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>> challenge
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>>> kept
>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>> noticed,
>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>> back
>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3350 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
A psycho crusher should scare people. I wouldn't lower the power of the
World Warriors either. Never mentioned it.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:28:03 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> True... but I've got a very low level of power in my campaign world...
> which is why I never had to alter the existing World Warriors, and a
> Psycho Crusher still scares people. :)
>
> Whatever works, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:17 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> If you truly mesh the "real world" reference with the "fictional world"
> aspects of Streetfighter, the door swings both ways.
> Meaning, some Fiction becomes fact, AND fact becomes fiction.
> Just as long as you understand this.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:16 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my
> campaign
>> is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing the
>> two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able
> to
>> do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
>> with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
>> Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.
>>
>> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
> that
>> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
>> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
>> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang with
>> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>>
>> Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
>> martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
>> they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
>> that true pros do.
>>
>> And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
>> Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
>> World
>> Warrior "in real-life".
>> So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
>> Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very
> well
>> be
>> able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
>> anyway).
>> Isn't Imagination GREAT!
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
>>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they
> need
>>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a
> light
>>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
>>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
>>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>>
>>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
>>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>>
>>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
>>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
>> World
>>> Warrior.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>>> teleport or
>>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
>>> The
>>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
>>> did it
>>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
>> Ok
>>> so
>>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>>> Dragon
>>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
>>> based
>>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>>> but
>>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
>>> to
>>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
>> make
>>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
>>> and
>>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>>
>>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>>> died
>>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>>> Enter
>>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
>> tournaments,
>>>> he
>>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>>> well
>>>> -
>>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>>> fairly
>>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
> accepted
>>>> when
>>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
> be
>>>> seen
>>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>>> could
>>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>>> something
>>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>>> doubt
>>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>>>> boosted
>>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
>> 10
>>>> in
>>>> any
>>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>>> lower
>>>> than
>>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>>> everyone
>>>> is
>>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
>> ended
>>>> up
>>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
>>> him
>>>> drop
>>>>> from the ranks.
>>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
> SF2,
>>>> fall
>>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
>> guest
>>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
> but
>>> I
>>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>>> Therfore
>>>> you
>>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>>> more
>>>> that
>>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
> as
>>>> any of
>>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
> up
>>>> the
>>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>>> ruling
>>>> is
>>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>>> thier
>>>> first
>>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
>> rank
>>> 8
>>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>>> fighter,
>>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
> Cyborg
>>> WW
>>>> <Q>
>>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
>>> all
>>>> that
>>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
> concidered
>>> a
>>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>>> Robot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>>>> World
>>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
>> the
>>>>>> first place).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
>> word
>>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>>> entering
>>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
>> circuit.
>>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>>> blaze
>>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
>>> I
>>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
> status
>>>> as a
>>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>>>> was
>>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
> a
>>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>>> anything
>>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
> as
>>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
> it,
>>>> just
>>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>>> rank
>>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
>> only
>>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>>> suspect
>>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>>> simulate
>>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>>> rating
>>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>>> will
>>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
>> Warrior?
>>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
> it
>>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
> for
>>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
> if
>>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>>> because
>>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>>>> all
>>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
> pops
>>>> up
>>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
> world
>>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>>> else's
>>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
> get
>>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>>> walking
>>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
>> regain
>>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
>>> by
>>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
>> to
>>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
> a
>>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
> all
>>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>>> ran
>>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>>> with
>>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
> Another
>>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>>> tell
>>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>>> By
>>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>>> we'd
>>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>>> the
>>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
> of
>>> a
>>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
> is
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
>> hold
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>>> chances
>>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
>> in
>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
> was
>>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
> state
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become
>> a
>>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>>> World
>>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
> we
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
>> was
>>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>>> got
>>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>>> that
>>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>>> challenge
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>>>> kept
>>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>>> noticed,
>>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>>> back
>>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3351 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
I meant alter in the sense of "raise". This discussion sprung forth
from people talking about how easy it was to beat the WWs as they exist
in print, unless I missed something.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:40 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


A psycho crusher should scare people. I wouldn't lower the power of the
World Warriors either. Never mentioned it.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:28:03 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> True... but I've got a very low level of power in my campaign world...
> which is why I never had to alter the existing World Warriors, and a
> Psycho Crusher still scares people. :)
>
> Whatever works, though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:17 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> If you truly mesh the "real world" reference with the "fictional
world"
> aspects of Streetfighter, the door swings both ways.
> Meaning, some Fiction becomes fact, AND fact becomes fiction.
> Just as long as you understand this.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:16 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my
> campaign
>> is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing
the
>> two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able
> to
>> do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
>> with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
>> Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.
>>
>> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
> that
>> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
>> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
>> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang
with
>> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>>
>> Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
>> martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
>> they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
>> that true pros do.
>>
>> And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
>> Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
>> World
>> Warrior "in real-life".
>> So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
>> Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very
> well
>> be
>> able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
>> anyway).
>> Isn't Imagination GREAT!
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when
combined
>>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they
> need
>>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a
> light
>>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot
jump,
>>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get
beat.
>>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>>
>>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a
jumping
>>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>>
>>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue
that
>>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
>> World
>>> Warrior.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>>> teleport or
>>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon
Kick.
>>> The
>>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!!
He
>>> did it
>>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
>> Ok
>>> so
>>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>>> Dragon
>>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in
fact
>>> based
>>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>>> but
>>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or
managed
>>> to
>>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
>> make
>>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw
fire
>>> and
>>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>>
>>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>>> died
>>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>>> Enter
>>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
>> tournaments,
>>>> he
>>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>>> well
>>>> -
>>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>>> fairly
>>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
> accepted
>>>> when
>>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
> be
>>>> seen
>>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>>> could
>>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>>> something
>>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>>> doubt
>>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly
be
>>>> boosted
>>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
>> 10
>>>> in
>>>> any
>>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>>> lower
>>>> than
>>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>>> everyone
>>>> is
>>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
>> ended
>>>> up
>>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses
made
>>> him
>>>> drop
>>>>> from the ranks.
>>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
> SF2,
>>>> fall
>>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
>> guest
>>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
> but
>>> I
>>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>>> Therfore
>>>> you
>>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>>> more
>>>> that
>>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
> as
>>>> any of
>>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
> up
>>>> the
>>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>>> ruling
>>>> is
>>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>>> thier
>>>> first
>>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
>> rank
>>> 8
>>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>>> fighter,
>>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be
the
>>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
> Cyborg
>>> WW
>>>> <Q>
>>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is
now
>>> all
>>>> that
>>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
> concidered
>>> a
>>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>>> Robot?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by
any
>>>> World
>>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple
the
>>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
>> the
>>>>>> first place).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
>> word
>>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>>> entering
>>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
>> circuit.
>>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>>> blaze
>>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal
way.
>>> I
>>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
> status
>>>> as a
>>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which
it
>>>> was
>>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
> a
>>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>>> anything
>>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
> as
>>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
> it,
>>>> just
>>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>>> rank
>>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
>> only
>>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>>> suspect
>>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>>> simulate
>>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>>> rating
>>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>>> will
>>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
>> Warrior?
>>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
> it
>>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
> for
>>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
> if
>>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>>> because
>>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know,
he's
>>>> all
>>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
> pops
>>>> up
>>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
> world
>>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>>> else's
>>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
> get
>>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement
from
>>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>>> walking
>>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
>> regain
>>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose
it
>>> by
>>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
>> to
>>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
> a
>>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
> all
>>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>>> ran
>>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>>> with
>>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because
you
>>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
> Another
>>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>>> tell
>>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>>> By
>>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>>> we'd
>>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>>> the
>>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
> of
>>> a
>>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
> is
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
>> hold
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>>> chances
>>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
>> in
>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
> was
>>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
> state
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you
become
>> a
>>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>>> World
>>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
> we
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
>> was
>>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>>> got
>>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>>> that
>>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>>> challenge
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it.
It
>>>>>>> kept
>>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>>> noticed,
>>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>>> back
>>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3352 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Don't know how it started, But I wouldn't raise their abilities either
(unless I was running a campaign where people were playing them, then they
could spend XP as normal) They seem plenty powerful to me. Most
Streetfighters wouldn't get a chance at them until high rank anyway. It
takes a while to improve in Streetfighter, Depending on how much experience
you give them.

-- Chris B.


> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:48:12 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> I meant alter in the sense of "raise". This discussion sprung forth
> from people talking about how easy it was to beat the WWs as they exist
> in print, unless I missed something.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:40 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>
>
> A psycho crusher should scare people. I wouldn't lower the power of the
> World Warriors either. Never mentioned it.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:28:03 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> True... but I've got a very low level of power in my campaign world...
>> which is why I never had to alter the existing World Warriors, and a
>> Psycho Crusher still scares people. :)
>>
>> Whatever works, though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:17 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> If you truly mesh the "real world" reference with the "fictional
> world"
>> aspects of Streetfighter, the door swings both ways.
>> Meaning, some Fiction becomes fact, AND fact becomes fiction.
>> Just as long as you understand this.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:35:16 -0500
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> yes, but considering that the world I use as a reference for my
>> campaign
>>> is the "real" one, my position is valid. The problem with meshing
> the
>>> two is that you have no idea what real fighters would have been able
>> to
>>> do had they been born in the non-real world. As a result, when faced
>>> with such problems, I use the abilities of the real-world fighter.
>>> Since Lee never tossed fire at anyone, there you go. No Dragon Kick.
>>>
>>> Personally, I like the idea of a breed of warrior so different from
>> that
>>> of 'normal' martial masters that it is the aspiration of all true
>>> fighters to even become a Street Fighter, let alone a World Warrior.
>>> I've always considered even beginning fighters to be able to hang
> with
>>> many Black Belts, simply because what they do is for real.
>>>
>>> Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
>>> martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
>>> they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
>>> that true pros do.
>>>
>>> And yes, I would have no problem with saying Lee had Rekka Ken.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:11 PM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>
>>>
>>> Well that's the problem with "real-life" isn't it steve. There are no
>>> Streetfighters who can jump 21 feet. Soooo Bruce could or would be a
>>> World
>>> Warrior "in real-life".
>>> So, stop close your eyes and make a paragigm shift into the world of
>>> Imagination (IE The Streetfighter world). Now! Bruce-Lee might very
>> well
>>> be
>>> able to do a flaming dragon kick or a rekka-ken (which he could do
>>> anyway).
>>> Isn't Imagination GREAT!
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:10:30 -0500
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when
> combined
>>>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they
>> need
>>>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>>>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a
>> light
>>>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot
> jump,
>>>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get
> beat.
>>>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>>>
>>>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a
> jumping
>>>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>>>
>>>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue
> that
>>>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a
>>> World
>>>> Warrior.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>>>> teleport or
>>>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon
> Kick.
>>>> The
>>>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!!
> He
>>>> did it
>>>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies).
>>> Ok
>>>> so
>>>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>>>> Dragon
>>>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in
> fact
>>>> based
>>>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>>>
>>>> -- Chris B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>>>> but
>>>>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>>>>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or
> managed
>>>> to
>>>>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only
>>> make
>>>>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw
> fire
>>>> and
>>>>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>>>> died
>>>>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>>>> Enter
>>>>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the
>>> tournaments,
>>>>> he
>>>>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>>>> well
>>>>> -
>>>>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>>>>> fairly
>>>>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be
>> accepted
>>>>> when
>>>>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would
>> be
>>>>> seen
>>>>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>>>>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>>>>> could
>>>>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>>>>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>>>>> something
>>>>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>>>> doubt
>>>>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly
> be
>>>>> boosted
>>>>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>>>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>>>>> <paraphrased>
>>>>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or
>>> 10
>>>>> in
>>>>> any
>>>>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>>>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>>>> lower
>>>>> than
>>>>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>>>> everyone
>>>>> is
>>>>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW
>>> ended
>>>>> up
>>>>>> dead, or retired.
>>>>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses
> made
>>>> him
>>>>> drop
>>>>>> from the ranks.
>>>>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from
>> SF2,
>>>>> fall
>>>>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make
>>> guest
>>>>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story,
>> but
>>>> I
>>>>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>>>>> Therfore
>>>>> you
>>>>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>>>> more
>>>>> that
>>>>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far
>> as
>>>>> any of
>>>>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat
>> up
>>>>> the
>>>>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>>>> ruling
>>>>> is
>>>>>> simple for every fight.
>>>>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>>>> thier
>>>>> first
>>>>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>>>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable
>>> rank
>>>> 8
>>>>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>>>>> fighter,
>>>>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be
> the
>>>>>> unspeakables.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first
>> Cyborg
>>>> WW
>>>>> <Q>
>>>>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is
> now
>>>> all
>>>>> that
>>>>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be
>> concidered
>>>> a
>>>>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>>>> Robot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by
> any
>>>>> World
>>>>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple
> the
>>>>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in
>>> the
>>>>>>> first place).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However,
>>> word
>>>>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>>>> entering
>>>>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the
>>> circuit.
>>>>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>>>> blaze
>>>>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal
> way.
>>>> I
>>>>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his
>> status
>>>>> as a
>>>>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which
> it
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge
>> a
>>>>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same
>> as
>>>>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for
>> it,
>>>>> just
>>>>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>>>> rank
>>>>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should
>>> only
>>>>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>>>>> simulate
>>>>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>>>>> rating
>>>>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>>>>> will
>>>>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World
>>> Warrior?
>>>>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose
>> it
>>>>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while
>> for
>>>>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen
>> if
>>>>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>>>> because
>>>>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know,
> he's
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just
>> pops
>>>>> up
>>>>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser
>> world
>>>>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>>>>> running around... ??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>>>> else's
>>>>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to
>> get
>>>>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement
> from
>>>>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>>>>> walking
>>>>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could
>>> regain
>>>>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose
> it
>>>> by
>>>>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back
>>> to
>>>>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into
>> a
>>>>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and
>> all
>>>>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>>>> ran
>>>>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>>>> with
>>>>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because
> you
>>>>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight.
>> Another
>>>>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>>>> tell
>>>>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>>>> By
>>>>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>>>> we'd
>>>>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more
>> of
>>>> a
>>>>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This
>> is
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must
>>> hold
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>>>>> chances
>>>>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is
>>> in
>>>>>>>> order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I
>> was
>>>>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules
>> state
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you
> become
>>> a
>>>>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>>>>> World
>>>>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but
>> we
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that
>>> was
>>>>>>>> w/o
>>>>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>>>>> challenge
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it.
> It
>>>>>>>> kept
>>>>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>>>>> noticed,
>>>>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>>>>> back
>>>>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3353 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages
Bonus Stages in KOF? ??? Are you sure? I certainly don't remember
there being any... As for Fatal Fury, I never played much of that
series until the new ones, which sadly don't have any bonus stages
either...

-Laters!
-Chris!


> I've also got rules for the flaming barrels, the falling barrels
> (unfortunately, not the ones from EX, just the standard ones) and the
> block breaking rounds too (not the test your might stuff, the ones
> from
> street fighter), if you're interested.
>
> Has anyone converted the bonus rounds from Art of Fighting and/or
> Fatal
> Fury/KoF?
>
> > > From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>


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Group: streetfighter Message: 3354 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages
--- Chris Nelson <ptc075@...> wrote:
> Bonus Stages in KOF? ??? Are you sure? I certainly don't remember
> there being any... As for Fatal Fury, I never played much of that
> series until the new ones, which sadly don't have any bonus stages
> either...
>
> -Laters!
> -Chris!

Actually, I only played KOF once, and I only got to the 3rd round, so I
didn't know if they bonus rounds or not.

I remember the Art of Fighting round where you had to break beer bottles,
and the Fatal Fury round where you had to destroy pillars (withing a
certain time limit? can't remenber) these are the ones I'm wondering about.

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