I don't think that Ex 2 is going to come out for the current Playstation (at
least, that's the current rumor around here, anyway), but it should be
coming out for the PSX 2 or maybe even the Dreamcast. If it is indeed
coming out for the good old PSX, then there shouldn't be too much of a
further wait, seeing as it's been out for just over a year in the arcades.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:33:43 -0500
>
>
>I guess this means EX Plus Alpha 2 is out? When will it be available
>for the Playstation? Personally, I felt the original was one of the
>best SF games out there. That and Alpha 3 (Ga, did I actually say that?
>"Go for it man!")
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:17 AM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>
>
>Gah. Nothing at all, really. The only thing I knew was Kairi's story,
>and
>that was related to his appearance (you know, looking like "Sheng Long"
>and
>all). Honestly enough, I didn't become interested at all in the EX
>series
>until after I saw Kairi in the arcade. I used to own the first one on
>the
>Playstation. Mastered it, then became quite bored with it. Oh, well.
>After that, I just didn't want to play it anymore. I would, however
>like to
>find out more information, in hindsight.
>
>
> >From: JSorochins@...
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
> >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:22:04 EST
> >
> >In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> >inrifrost@... writes:
> >
> ><< I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know,
>he
> >was
> > an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated
>Akuma
> >and
> > took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
> >appearance.
> > The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
>the
> > fight? >>
> >
> >While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the
>SFex
> >series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about
>the
> >endings
> >
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I'm pretty sure that you have to go through the practice sessions that have
been designed for the characters (such as making it all the way through
Zangief's sessions. Murderous, I tell you), and defeating the game at
various difficulties. Do it enough, and you'll get the way cool barrel
bonus round from SFII.

>From: "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: "'streetfighter@egroups.com'" <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egroups
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:30:23 -0500
>
>Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little bit now,
>and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to versus
>mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you unlock them?
>Anyone?
>
>Thanks
>
>MikeM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Karstensen [SMTP:skarstensen@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 8:34 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
> >
> >
> > I guess this means EX Plus Alpha 2 is out? When will it be available
> > for the Playstation? Personally, I felt the original was one of the
> > best SF games out there. That and Alpha 3 (Ga, did I actually say that?
> > "Go for it man!")
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:17 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
> >
> >
> > Gah. Nothing at all, really. The only thing I knew was Kairi's story,
> > and
> > that was related to his appearance (you know, looking like "Sheng Long"
> > and
> > all). Honestly enough, I didn't become interested at all in the EX
> > series
> > until after I saw Kairi in the arcade. I used to own the first one on
> > the
> > Playstation. Mastered it, then became quite bored with it. Oh, well.
> > After that, I just didn't want to play it anymore. I would, however
> > like to
> > find out more information, in hindsight.
> >
> >
> > >From: JSorochins@...
> > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
> > >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:22:04 EST
> > >
> > >In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > >inrifrost@... writes:
> > >
> > ><< I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know,
> > he
> > >was
> > > an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated
> > Akuma
> > >and
> > > took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
> > >appearance.
> > > The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
> > the
> > > fight? >>
> > >
> > >While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the
> > SFex
> > >series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about
> > the
> > >endings
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--- JSorochins@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> inrifrost@... writes:
>
> << I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know,
> he
> was
> an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated Akuma
> and
> took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
> appearance.
> The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
> the
> fight? >>
>
> While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the
> SFex
> series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about
> the
> endings

The endings were all short, little FMV sceens with no text at all, It's
been quite a while, so all I remember at all are Evil Hokuto (sp),
Crackerjack (one of my favorite characters), and Allen's Endings

Evil Hokuto:

Hokuto is standing on a hill with her eyes glowing. She looks around for
a moment, then the camera retracts, revealing the broken bodies of the
other fighters.

Crackerjack:

Crackerjack is running along the train tracks when a train starts heading
towards him. He accelerates and decks the train with his uppercut punch
(can't remember it's name).

Allen Snider:

Allen is standing in front of this temple with two large statues. He then
shatters the statues (I can't remember if it's because they came to life
and attacked him, or if smahing statues is something a true martial artis
just has to do).

Personaly, I like the ones from Tekken 2 better, they were much cooler
storywise (Armor King's ending still gets me) and better quality too.

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--- "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...> wrote:

> Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little bit
> now,
> and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to
> versus
> mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you unlock
> them?
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks
>
> MikeM

Practice mode. Score enough points doing the various test in practice
mode and they'll unlock one by one. The various 15 point test are, of
course, worth more points than the one point tests.

If you beat every test with every character you unlock the barrel bonus
round and can enter it from the title screen (quite a hard round too).

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just as an aside, the fighters I've converted from EX + Alpha have made
some excellent NPCs, especially Cracker Jack.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:37 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egroups


--- "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...> wrote:

> Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little bit
> now,
> and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to
> versus
> mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you unlock
> them?
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks
>
> MikeM

Practice mode. Score enough points doing the various test in practice
mode and they'll unlock one by one. The various 15 point test are, of
course, worth more points than the one point tests.

If you beat every test with every character you unlock the barrel bonus
round and can enter it from the title screen (quite a hard round too).

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> play in Expert Training mode. the more moves you successfully pull off,
> the more points you score. certain point values allow you to unlock
> certain characters.
>
> My personal high is about 950 or so out of 1000. Anyone get a perfect
> score?

Shadowmyre did (anyone remember him?) It took him about 48 hours and a
lot of swearing and cursing, but he did it.

He still hasn't beaten the barrel round yet though.

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daaaaaaamn.

Some of those Rank A challenges are *sick*.

My hat goes off to Shadowmyre, wherever he may be.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:42 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egroups


--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> play in Expert Training mode. the more moves you successfully pull

off,

> the more points you score. certain point values allow you to unlock
> certain characters.
>
> My personal high is about 950 or so out of 1000. Anyone get a perfect
> score?

Shadowmyre did (anyone remember him?) It took him about 48 hours and a
lot of swearing and cursing, but he did it.

He still hasn't beaten the barrel round yet though.

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Very cool. What happened, and could I see his stats?

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou ps
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:45:59 -0500
>
>
>just as an aside, the fighters I've converted from EX + Alpha have made
>some excellent NPCs, especially Cracker Jack.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:37 AM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egroups
>
>
>--- "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...> wrote:
> > Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little bit
> > now,
> > and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to
> > versus
> > mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you unlock
> > them?
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > MikeM
>
>Practice mode. Score enough points doing the various test in practice
>mode and they'll unlock one by one. The various 15 point test are, of
>course, worth more points than the one point tests.
>
>If you beat every test with every character you unlock the barrel bonus
>round and can enter it from the title screen (quite a hard round too).
>
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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> daaaaaaamn.
>
> Some of those Rank A challenges are *sick*.
>
> My hat goes off to Shadowmyre, wherever he may be.

Sick indeed, I still haven't beaten most of the level 13 ones, let alone
the fifteen ones (my favorite ones are the ones where you can't touch the
ground for twenty or so seconds [or let the opponent touch the ground for
twenty seconds]).

Throw in the fact that my memory card is a 'bit faulty' and that I don't
personaly own the game, and I doubt that I ever will.

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http://nj5.injersey.com/~skarsten/crackerjack.html

There's a few others like Blair and Darun. just follow the link at the
bottom of the page.

I will work on this site again one day, I promise :p

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:51 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou
ps


Very cool. What happened, and could I see his stats?

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou

ps

>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:45:59 -0500
>
>
>just as an aside, the fighters I've converted from EX + Alpha have made
>some excellent NPCs, especially Cracker Jack.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:37 AM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF

egroups

>
>
>--- "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...> wrote:
> > Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little

bit

> > now,
> > and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to
> > versus
> > mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you

unlock

> > them?
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > MikeM
>
>Practice mode. Score enough points doing the various test in practice
>mode and they'll unlock one by one. The various 15 point test are, of
>course, worth more points than the one point tests.
>
>If you beat every test with every character you unlock the barrel bonus
>round and can enter it from the title screen (quite a hard round too).
>
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Esquives, the perceivedly useless maneuver. +2 speed, lets you sidestep
a maneuver and wind up back in the same place at no cost. The combos
you can pull off with this are disgusting. ;)

Wu Shu and Capoeira are two of the most powerful styles in the game
because of shit like this; they have *all* of the dodging maneuvers.
Backflip, Backflip Kick, Esquives/Displacement, Rolling Attack, Vertical
Rolling Attack, Flying Heel Stomp, that sort of thing. Combo well off
of those maneuvers and you'll never be touched.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:53 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't want
to know)


The only thing better, a character that can move after an attack (or
move
the opponent) Unless the opponent's got a fireball. I find if you have a
maneuver that allows a lot of movement after your attack (and before
usually) that doesn't cost you chi or willpower. you will win. always.

-- Chris B.

> From: azathoth05@...
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:39:04 -0800
> To: streetfighter@...
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't

want to

> know)
>
> I just ran a tournament with 3 PC's and 5 NPC's, two of which were
> Siren and Kahn from Secrets of Shadowloo(aka starting level

characters.

> One PC was a Kung Fu guy with a high block to high speed elbow smash
> combo he lost to Siren's superior speed. Another was a Western
> Kickbocking no block but all power mid speed moves, he lost to Kahn's
> strength because he couldn't dizzy him before the return punches
> knocked him out. The third character was a blind capoeira dancer who
> had to roll perception three times a round to even hit the guy. He
> blew through all four matches and won the tournament. Why? The first
> guy chased Siren as she danced around, the second went punch for bunch
> with a stronger guy, but the dancer I don't think spent too rounds in
> the same hex. He used backflip kick, backroll throw, and Vertical
> rolling attack(knocks down aerial), plus his dex of 5, to keep his
> opponents from retaliating. You don't have to dizzy a guy to keep him
> from hitting you, throwing him out of range, using knockdown

maneuvers,

> and jumping away can keep you in control. And this guy had no block
> technique and no combos, nor was he a "power fighter"(no techniques
> over 3, and he spend freebies on perception not special powers). All
> in all I haveta say the fights were a lot more exciting than leaving
> two models on the table next to each other that just sit there for 8
> rounds exchanging punches. He also used a maneuver's movement to move
> out of range sometimes when it looked like moving in for the attack
> would get him clobbered, which was good tactics for his first match
> ever(2nd game, but he sawno combat in the first one). just because
> your foward kick lets you move two hexes doesn't mean it's gotta be
> towards the enemy!
>
>
>
>
> steve karstensen <skarstense-@...> wrote:
> original

article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=3234

>>
>> your speed guys need to learn grabs or knockdown maneuvers. Citing,
> for
>> example, Howard Collins' animal hybrid Judo Wolf; 6 Dex, Flying

Tackle

>> to Head Bite Combo. 3 Strength, 3 Stamina. Never took a scratch
>> because he kept his opponents tied up in holds the entire fight.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:57 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>
>>
>> Just as an aside, for interest only. In real life, Speed is extremely
>> important in a fight. The actual damage inflicted in martial arts has
>> more
>> to do with speed than strength. (except for something like wrestling)
>> The
>> concept in Shotokan, for instance, is If you can throw a focused

punch

>> at
>> say 95MPH (not unreasonable trust me) You are impacting with a fist
>> travelling at 95MPH hitting a Generally 2"by 2" area (first two
> knuckles
>> of
>> your fist), you are doing some serious damage. (their bones tend to
>> break
>> more easily than the fist does too). There's a formula for it.
>> Power (damage) = mass X speed2 (squared)
>> By this reasoning, It is more advantageous to work on speed rather
> than
>> bulk
>> and muscle. This concept is what truly sets Martial Arts apart from
>> Brawling, and allows a small person to overcome a bigger opponent.
> It's
>> what
>> Martial Arts are all about, thats the secret.(well one of them)
>>
>> An example: Zangeif's strikes do damage because he's big. (Although

if

>> he
>> could become faster he would do more damage, a lot more, but he would
>> have
>> to lose some bulk.)
>> Ryu does damage because he's skilled and fast.
>> Being faster than Zangeif also allows him to fight
>> circles
>> around the poor Russian. Unless of course he gets grabbed.
>>
>> OPINION CORNER - <<<I really don't like the trading blows in
>> Streetfighter,
>> I find them rather unrealistic. Blocks and Dodges are reactionary,

not

>> planned, so I support making defence rolls instead of using the block
> or
>> dodge manoeuvre. Yes...Yes I know about spending the willpower point
> to
>> abort, but you CAN punch first in a fight and IMMEDIATELY block your
>> opponent's counterstrike, In Streetfighter you can't.>>>
>>
>> In Streetfighter I've almost always found that a combination of
> strength
>> and
>> stamina generally won out over speed, except in fireball situations.
>>
>> SENARIO - The slow strong tough guy got his movement, The faster guy
>> interrupts and hits the slower guy but not enough to dizzy him
> (because
>> of
>> his stamina) then stands there while the slower guy knocks him
>> dizzy,(because he spent most of his points on speed, the fool) and
>> finishes
>> him a round later. It was a constant theme in our games. Speed guy
>> loses. At
>> least until he fights someone just like him or he gets time to

improve

>> his
>> stamina or strength.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>>> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:13:36 PST
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>
>>> Sure, I'll agree that speed helps a lot, but unless you knock the
> guy
>> you're
>>> fighting out, or knock him down, or tie him up in any way, it's
> almost
>> a
>>> sure fire bet that if he's in range to hit you, he will. Also, if
>> he's
>>> moving at a much slower speed than you, you can be pretty sure that
>> it'll be
>>> some really nasty move. Whatever that may be. I've had a bunch of
>> players
>>> that decided to be really fast at one point, so I tossed a
>> heavy-hitting,
>>> slow moving fighter against them. They thought of other strategies
>> than
>>> just being faster than the other guy after that. It kept them on
>> their toes
>>> a little. Actually, I have to thank Steve for some of that stuff.
>> Now,
>>> players try to leave off the cheese a little.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:53:55 -0200
>>>>
>>>> All right you got the point but don´t need be angry, I don´t have
> my
>>>> Stf
>>>> mainbook actualy I lost the book on excursion and I want buy
> another
>> one,
>>>> and no speed aren´t all but helps a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Preston Elizarde wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Easy, boy, easy. Just a rules misinterpretation here. No need
> to
>>>>>> flame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I just had this dispute with a group of kids I am teaching
> how
>> to
>>>>> play...and they just can't comprehend that speed isn't everything
>> that
>>>>> strategy is.
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I thought those endings (SFEX plus Alpha) were the biggest pile of cow flop,
since the ending of Altered Beast for the Amiga. (congratulations you have
defeated the evil ones) Or some such Junk. What were the programmers smoking
anyway?

-- Chris B.

> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:31:53 PST
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>
> One more thing. The endings in the first game didn't really explain
> anything at all. They were actually CG movie bits that had the characters
> doing something (i.e. Ken doing a Dragon Punch, Skullomania revelling in the
> fact that he figures he's finally become a superhero, etc.) and no text as a
> follow-up to the movie. So nothing is really explained. Sucked bigtime.
>
>>> From: JSorochins@...
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:22:04 EST
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>> inrifrost@... writes:
>>>
>>> << I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know, he
>>> was
>>> an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated Akuma
>>> and
>>> took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
>>> appearance.
>>> The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
>>> the
>>> fight? >>
>>>
>>> While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the SFex
>>> series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about the
>>> endings
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I seem to recall that you have to go through the special training mode. (you
get points that rack up as you perform their pre-programmed training
regimen) I really can't check, I sold SFEX + A recently, because I want to
purchase SFEX 3 as a replacement. ( hopefully the gameplay is faster and
more responsive this time ) The game is one of the launch titles for PS2.
Lets hope SF3 triple strike is also ported to PS2, I would kill (ok maybe
KO) to play that at home.

-- Chris B.

> From: "Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:30:23 -0500
> To: "'streetfighter@egroups.com'" <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Subject: [streetfighter] SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egroups
>
> Ok, I have been playing Street Fighter Ex plus Alpha for a little bit now,
> and I really like it, (except the endings suck). But when you go to versus
> mode there is four characters that are blocked out, how do you unlock them?
> Anyone?
>
> Thanks
>
> MikeM
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Karstensen [SMTP:skarstensen@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 8:34 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>
>>
>> I guess this means EX Plus Alpha 2 is out? When will it be available
>> for the Playstation? Personally, I felt the original was one of the
>> best SF games out there. That and Alpha 3 (Ga, did I actually say that?
>> "Go for it man!")
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:17 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>
>>
>> Gah. Nothing at all, really. The only thing I knew was Kairi's story,
>> and
>> that was related to his appearance (you know, looking like "Sheng Long"
>> and
>> all). Honestly enough, I didn't become interested at all in the EX
>> series
>> until after I saw Kairi in the arcade. I used to own the first one on
>> the
>> Playstation. Mastered it, then became quite bored with it. Oh, well.
>> After that, I just didn't want to play it anymore. I would, however
>> like to
>> find out more information, in hindsight.
>>
>>
>>> From: JSorochins@...
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:22:04 EST
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>> inrifrost@... writes:
>>>
>>> << I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know,
>> he
>>> was
>>> an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated
>> Akuma
>>> and
>>> took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
>>> appearance.
>>> The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
>> the
>>> fight? >>
>>>
>>> While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the
>> SFex
>>> series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about
>> the
>>> endings
>>>
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Ex2 is being skipped over for Ex3 (for PS2) Check out http://psx.ign.com/
for details, Ok so they don't have anything there right now but trust me.
*s*
I don't think Dreamcast will get Ex2 since the whole Ex series is programmed
using exclusively Playstation hardware. (yes even the coin-op)

-- Chris B.

> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:28:27 PST
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>
> I don't think that Ex 2 is going to come out for the current Playstation (at
> least, that's the current rumor around here, anyway), but it should be
> coming out for the PSX 2 or maybe even the Dreamcast. If it is indeed
> coming out for the good old PSX, then there shouldn't be too much of a
> further wait, seeing as it's been out for just over a year in the arcades.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:33:43 -0500
>>
>>
>> I guess this means EX Plus Alpha 2 is out? When will it be available
>> for the Playstation? Personally, I felt the original was one of the
>> best SF games out there. That and Alpha 3 (Ga, did I actually say that?
>> "Go for it man!")
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Krug-Iron [mailto:inrifrost@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:17 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>
>>
>> Gah. Nothing at all, really. The only thing I knew was Kairi's story,
>> and
>> that was related to his appearance (you know, looking like "Sheng Long"
>> and
>> all). Honestly enough, I didn't become interested at all in the EX
>> series
>> until after I saw Kairi in the arcade. I used to own the first one on
>> the
>> Playstation. Mastered it, then became quite bored with it. Oh, well.
>> After that, I just didn't want to play it anymore. I would, however
>> like to
>> find out more information, in hindsight.
>>
>>
>>> From: JSorochins@...
>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Challange to all at SF egroups
>>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:22:04 EST
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/9/99 10:14:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>> inrifrost@... writes:
>>>
>>> << I don't know if it has anything to do with Akuma...as far as I know,
>> he
>>> was
>>> an amnesiatic. So, where would Akuma come in? If Kairi defeated
>> Akuma
>>> and
>>> took his powers, sure enough, but that still doesn't explain his
>>> appearance.
>>> The other thing is that, he's an amnesiatic...how would he remember
>> the
>>> fight? >>
>>>
>>> While we are on the subject, does anybody know the stories behind the
>> SFex
>>> series. I can find all sorts of intro stuff, but nothing at all about
>> the
>>> endings
>>>
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I always preferred beating up the car, what ever happened to the car huh? I
loved that car. *sob sniff*

-- Chris B.

> From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:53:22 -0800 (PST)
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: SFEX + A was Challange to all at SF egrou ps
>
> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>
>> daaaaaaamn.
>>
>> Some of those Rank A challenges are *sick*.
>>
>> My hat goes off to Shadowmyre, wherever he may be.
>
> Sick indeed, I still haven't beaten most of the level 13 ones, let alone
> the fifteen ones (my favorite ones are the ones where you can't touch the
> ground for twenty or so seconds [or let the opponent touch the ground for
> twenty seconds]).
>
> Throw in the fact that my memory card is a 'bit faulty' and that I don't
> personaly own the game, and I doubt that I ever will.
>
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I wish they just called Esquives, Dodge.
I agree about the Wu Shu / Capoeria thing.
But what's really been bothering me lately is; Has anyone created the
people's elbow for Streetfighter? How about a flaming people's elbow? Or
mabe even an air people's elbow? Or a burning vigour people's elbow.

( about Halloween I made a spelling mistake that's appropriate,
STREET FRIGHTER - ha!)

-- Chris B.

> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:49:51 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't wa nt to
> know)
>
>
> Esquives, the perceivedly useless maneuver. +2 speed, lets you sidestep
> a maneuver and wind up back in the same place at no cost. The combos
> you can pull off with this are disgusting. ;)
>
> Wu Shu and Capoeira are two of the most powerful styles in the game
> because of shit like this; they have *all* of the dodging maneuvers.
> Backflip, Backflip Kick, Esquives/Displacement, Rolling Attack, Vertical
> Rolling Attack, Flying Heel Stomp, that sort of thing. Combo well off
> of those maneuvers and you'll never be touched.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:53 AM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't want
> to know)
>
>
> The only thing better, a character that can move after an attack (or
> move
> the opponent) Unless the opponent's got a fireball. I find if you have a
> maneuver that allows a lot of movement after your attack (and before
> usually) that doesn't cost you chi or willpower. you will win. always.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: azathoth05@...
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:39:04 -0800
>> To: streetfighter@...
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't
> want to
>> know)
>>
>> I just ran a tournament with 3 PC's and 5 NPC's, two of which were
>> Siren and Kahn from Secrets of Shadowloo(aka starting level
> characters.
>> One PC was a Kung Fu guy with a high block to high speed elbow smash
>> combo he lost to Siren's superior speed. Another was a Western
>> Kickbocking no block but all power mid speed moves, he lost to Kahn's
>> strength because he couldn't dizzy him before the return punches
>> knocked him out. The third character was a blind capoeira dancer who
>> had to roll perception three times a round to even hit the guy. He
>> blew through all four matches and won the tournament. Why? The first
>> guy chased Siren as she danced around, the second went punch for bunch
>> with a stronger guy, but the dancer I don't think spent too rounds in
>> the same hex. He used backflip kick, backroll throw, and Vertical
>> rolling attack(knocks down aerial), plus his dex of 5, to keep his
>> opponents from retaliating. You don't have to dizzy a guy to keep him
>> from hitting you, throwing him out of range, using knockdown
> maneuvers,
>> and jumping away can keep you in control. And this guy had no block
>> technique and no combos, nor was he a "power fighter"(no techniques
>> over 3, and he spend freebies on perception not special powers). All
>> in all I haveta say the fights were a lot more exciting than leaving
>> two models on the table next to each other that just sit there for 8
>> rounds exchanging punches. He also used a maneuver's movement to move
>> out of range sometimes when it looked like moving in for the attack
>> would get him clobbered, which was good tactics for his first match
>> ever(2nd game, but he sawno combat in the first one). just because
>> your foward kick lets you move two hexes doesn't mean it's gotta be
>> towards the enemy!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> steve karstensen <skarstense-@...> wrote:
>> original
> article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=3234
>>>
>>> your speed guys need to learn grabs or knockdown maneuvers. Citing,
>> for
>>> example, Howard Collins' animal hybrid Judo Wolf; 6 Dex, Flying
> Tackle
>>> to Head Bite Combo. 3 Strength, 3 Stamina. Never took a scratch
>>> because he kept his opponents tied up in holds the entire fight.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:57 AM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>
>>>
>>> Just as an aside, for interest only. In real life, Speed is extremely
>>> important in a fight. The actual damage inflicted in martial arts has
>>> more
>>> to do with speed than strength. (except for something like wrestling)
>>> The
>>> concept in Shotokan, for instance, is If you can throw a focused
> punch
>>> at
>>> say 95MPH (not unreasonable trust me) You are impacting with a fist
>>> travelling at 95MPH hitting a Generally 2"by 2" area (first two
>> knuckles
>>> of
>>> your fist), you are doing some serious damage. (their bones tend to
>>> break
>>> more easily than the fist does too). There's a formula for it.
>>> Power (damage) = mass X speed2 (squared)
>>> By this reasoning, It is more advantageous to work on speed rather
>> than
>>> bulk
>>> and muscle. This concept is what truly sets Martial Arts apart from
>>> Brawling, and allows a small person to overcome a bigger opponent.
>> It's
>>> what
>>> Martial Arts are all about, thats the secret.(well one of them)
>>>
>>> An example: Zangeif's strikes do damage because he's big. (Although
> if
>>> he
>>> could become faster he would do more damage, a lot more, but he would
>>> have
>>> to lose some bulk.)
>>> Ryu does damage because he's skilled and fast.
>>> Being faster than Zangeif also allows him to fight
>>> circles
>>> around the poor Russian. Unless of course he gets grabbed.
>>>
>>> OPINION CORNER - <<<I really don't like the trading blows in
>>> Streetfighter,
>>> I find them rather unrealistic. Blocks and Dodges are reactionary,
> not
>>> planned, so I support making defence rolls instead of using the block
>> or
>>> dodge manoeuvre. Yes...Yes I know about spending the willpower point
>> to
>>> abort, but you CAN punch first in a fight and IMMEDIATELY block your
>>> opponent's counterstrike, In Streetfighter you can't.>>>
>>>
>>> In Streetfighter I've almost always found that a combination of
>> strength
>>> and
>>> stamina generally won out over speed, except in fireball situations.
>>>
>>> SENARIO - The slow strong tough guy got his movement, The faster guy
>>> interrupts and hits the slower guy but not enough to dizzy him
>> (because
>>> of
>>> his stamina) then stands there while the slower guy knocks him
>>> dizzy,(because he spent most of his points on speed, the fool) and
>>> finishes
>>> him a round later. It was a constant theme in our games. Speed guy
>>> loses. At
>>> least until he fights someone just like him or he gets time to
> improve
>>> his
>>> stamina or strength.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:13:36 PST
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I'll agree that speed helps a lot, but unless you knock the
>> guy
>>> you're
>>>> fighting out, or knock him down, or tie him up in any way, it's
>> almost
>>> a
>>>> sure fire bet that if he's in range to hit you, he will. Also, if
>>> he's
>>>> moving at a much slower speed than you, you can be pretty sure that
>>> it'll be
>>>> some really nasty move. Whatever that may be. I've had a bunch of
>>> players
>>>> that decided to be really fast at one point, so I tossed a
>>> heavy-hitting,
>>>> slow moving fighter against them. They thought of other strategies
>>> than
>>>> just being faster than the other guy after that. It kept them on
>>> their toes
>>>> a little. Actually, I have to thank Steve for some of that stuff.
>>> Now,
>>>> players try to leave off the cheese a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>>> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:53:55 -0200
>>>>>
>>>>> All right you got the point but don´t need be angry, I don´t have
>> my
>>>>> Stf
>>>>> mainbook actualy I lost the book on excursion and I want buy
>> another
>>> one,
>>>>> and no speed aren´t all but helps a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Preston Elizarde wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Easy, boy, easy. Just a rules misinterpretation here. No need
>> to
>>>>>>> flame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I just had this dispute with a group of kids I am teaching
>> how
>>> to
>>>>>> play...and they just can't comprehend that speed isn't everything
>>> that
>>>>>> strategy is.
>>>>>>
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"Dodge" is not an appropriately French word, seeing as how Esquives is a
Savate maneuver.

What the heck is "the people's Elbow"? A political party? A maneuver
for the common, everyday man? What?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 1:44 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.
Strength)


I wish they just called Esquives, Dodge.
I agree about the Wu Shu / Capoeria thing.
But what's really been bothering me lately is; Has anyone created the
people's elbow for Streetfighter? How about a flaming people's elbow? Or
mabe even an air people's elbow? Or a burning vigour people's elbow.

( about Halloween I made a spelling mistake that's appropriate,
STREET FRIGHTER - ha!)

-- Chris B.

> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:49:51 -0500
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't wa

nt to

> know)
>
>
> Esquives, the perceivedly useless maneuver. +2 speed, lets you

sidestep

> a maneuver and wind up back in the same place at no cost. The combos
> you can pull off with this are disgusting. ;)
>
> Wu Shu and Capoeira are two of the most powerful styles in the game
> because of shit like this; they have *all* of the dodging maneuvers.
> Backflip, Backflip Kick, Esquives/Displacement, Rolling Attack,

Vertical

> Rolling Attack, Flying Heel Stomp, that sort of thing. Combo well off
> of those maneuvers and you'll never be touched.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:53 AM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't

want

> to know)
>
>
> The only thing better, a character that can move after an attack (or
> move
> the opponent) Unless the opponent's got a fireball. I find if you have

a

> maneuver that allows a lot of movement after your attack (and before
> usually) that doesn't cost you chi or willpower. you will win. always.
>
> -- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: azathoth05@...
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 21:39:04 -0800
>> To: streetfighter@...
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed vs. Strength (formerly You don't
> want to
>> know)
>>
>> I just ran a tournament with 3 PC's and 5 NPC's, two of which were
>> Siren and Kahn from Secrets of Shadowloo(aka starting level
> characters.
>> One PC was a Kung Fu guy with a high block to high speed elbow smash
>> combo he lost to Siren's superior speed. Another was a Western
>> Kickbocking no block but all power mid speed moves, he lost to Kahn's
>> strength because he couldn't dizzy him before the return punches
>> knocked him out. The third character was a blind capoeira dancer who
>> had to roll perception three times a round to even hit the guy. He
>> blew through all four matches and won the tournament. Why? The

first

>> guy chased Siren as she danced around, the second went punch for

bunch

>> with a stronger guy, but the dancer I don't think spent too rounds in
>> the same hex. He used backflip kick, backroll throw, and Vertical
>> rolling attack(knocks down aerial), plus his dex of 5, to keep his
>> opponents from retaliating. You don't have to dizzy a guy to keep

him

>> from hitting you, throwing him out of range, using knockdown
> maneuvers,
>> and jumping away can keep you in control. And this guy had no block
>> technique and no combos, nor was he a "power fighter"(no techniques
>> over 3, and he spend freebies on perception not special powers). All
>> in all I haveta say the fights were a lot more exciting than leaving
>> two models on the table next to each other that just sit there for 8
>> rounds exchanging punches. He also used a maneuver's movement to

move

>> out of range sometimes when it looked like moving in for the attack
>> would get him clobbered, which was good tactics for his first match
>> ever(2nd game, but he sawno combat in the first one). just because
>> your foward kick lets you move two hexes doesn't mean it's gotta be
>> towards the enemy!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> steve karstensen <skarstense-@...> wrote:
>> original
> article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=3234
>>>
>>> your speed guys need to learn grabs or knockdown maneuvers. Citing,
>> for
>>> example, Howard Collins' animal hybrid Judo Wolf; 6 Dex, Flying
> Tackle
>>> to Head Bite Combo. 3 Strength, 3 Stamina. Never took a scratch
>>> because he kept his opponents tied up in holds the entire fight.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:57 AM
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>
>>>
>>> Just as an aside, for interest only. In real life, Speed is

extremely

>>> important in a fight. The actual damage inflicted in martial arts

has

>>> more
>>> to do with speed than strength. (except for something like

wrestling)

>>> The
>>> concept in Shotokan, for instance, is If you can throw a focused
> punch
>>> at
>>> say 95MPH (not unreasonable trust me) You are impacting with a fist
>>> travelling at 95MPH hitting a Generally 2"by 2" area (first two
>> knuckles
>>> of
>>> your fist), you are doing some serious damage. (their bones tend to
>>> break
>>> more easily than the fist does too). There's a formula for it.
>>> Power (damage) = mass X speed2 (squared)
>>> By this reasoning, It is more advantageous to work on speed rather
>> than
>>> bulk
>>> and muscle. This concept is what truly sets Martial Arts apart from
>>> Brawling, and allows a small person to overcome a bigger opponent.
>> It's
>>> what
>>> Martial Arts are all about, thats the secret.(well one of them)
>>>
>>> An example: Zangeif's strikes do damage because he's big. (Although
> if
>>> he
>>> could become faster he would do more damage, a lot more, but he

would

>>> have
>>> to lose some bulk.)
>>> Ryu does damage because he's skilled and fast.
>>> Being faster than Zangeif also allows him to fight
>>> circles
>>> around the poor Russian. Unless of course he gets grabbed.
>>>
>>> OPINION CORNER - <<<I really don't like the trading blows in
>>> Streetfighter,
>>> I find them rather unrealistic. Blocks and Dodges are reactionary,
> not
>>> planned, so I support making defence rolls instead of using the

block

>> or
>>> dodge manoeuvre. Yes...Yes I know about spending the willpower point
>> to
>>> abort, but you CAN punch first in a fight and IMMEDIATELY block your
>>> opponent's counterstrike, In Streetfighter you can't.>>>
>>>
>>> In Streetfighter I've almost always found that a combination of
>> strength
>>> and
>>> stamina generally won out over speed, except in fireball situations.
>>>
>>> SENARIO - The slow strong tough guy got his movement, The faster guy
>>> interrupts and hits the slower guy but not enough to dizzy him
>> (because
>>> of
>>> his stamina) then stands there while the slower guy knocks him
>>> dizzy,(because he spent most of his points on speed, the fool) and
>>> finishes
>>> him a round later. It was a constant theme in our games. Speed guy
>>> loses. At
>>> least until he fights someone just like him or he gets time to
> improve
>>> his
>>> stamina or strength.
>>>
>>> -- Chris B.
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 18:13:36 PST
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I'll agree that speed helps a lot, but unless you knock the
>> guy
>>> you're
>>>> fighting out, or knock him down, or tie him up in any way, it's
>> almost
>>> a
>>>> sure fire bet that if he's in range to hit you, he will. Also, if
>>> he's
>>>> moving at a much slower speed than you, you can be pretty sure that
>>> it'll be
>>>> some really nasty move. Whatever that may be. I've had a bunch of
>>> players
>>>> that decided to be really fast at one point, so I tossed a
>>> heavy-hitting,
>>>> slow moving fighter against them. They thought of other strategies
>>> than
>>>> just being faster than the other guy after that. It kept them on
>>> their toes
>>>> a little. Actually, I have to thank Steve for some of that stuff.
>>> Now,
>>>> players try to leave off the cheese a little.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>>>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: You don't want to know
>>>>> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:53:55 -0200
>>>>>
>>>>> All right you got the point but don´t need be angry, I don´t have
>> my
>>>>> Stf
>>>>> mainbook actualy I lost the book on excursion and I want buy
>> another
>>> one,
>>>>> and no speed aren´t all but helps a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Preston Elizarde wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Easy, boy, easy. Just a rules misinterpretation here. No need
>> to
>>>>>>> flame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I just had this dispute with a group of kids I am teaching
>> how
>>> to
>>>>>> play...and they just can't comprehend that speed isn't everything
>>> that
>>>>>> strategy is.
>>>>>>
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