<< << AND a character very similar to (American) Balrog is in Streetfighter 1
under
the name Mike. >>
similar because its the same character. like it was stated before, they
changed Mike's name to balrog in the stated, because they were afraid tyson
would get upset about a black boxer namde mike bison... go fig >>
Group: streetfighter
Message: 2456
From: JSorochins@aol.com
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/7/99 6:11:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, staredown@... writes:
<< Well, it's not _just_ a fan explanation, in the Tokima (sp?) manga Dhalsim
explains to Ryu that they were three children who starved to death while
he was caring for them (they were too far gone by the time he go to them).
That manga was, I believe, licensed by Capcom, so it's probably at least
semi-official. >>
Cool, now I know at least were the story comes from. When I first started
playing SF2 I always thought Dhalsim was supposed to be evil. But then
again, I thought Ryu was evil because I always played Ken and Ryu had the
same moves as him. Come to think of it, I always thought of all the
characters as evil except Ken, because they were all fighting him. Except
Chun-Li, because she was so cute.
Alright, probably more than you wanted to know,
The Amazing Sorochinski
Group: streetfighter
Message: 2457
From: JSorochins@aol.com
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cbaker@... writes:
<< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>>
Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as far
as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they have
equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
The Amazing Sorochinski
Group: streetfighter
Message: 2458
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Oh i diddnt take it that you were trying to degrade the page! I like to hear
comments like that, to know what other people are thinking about the work I
have done on the page. I feel that many people would agree and disagree with
both of us.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:26 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>> not really. I have red time and time again that Batman (in his universe,
>> which is a powerfuL one (to say the least), is in perfect physical and
>> mental condition. he's a master manipulator and planner, and attractive
>> doesn't begin to describe him (thats in the books, I dont find him
>> attractive, haha). he is one of DCs greatest martial artists, and Ive
seen
>> comics where batman takes on DOZENS of guys, and even a group of ninjas
and
>> mops the floor with them. Only the greatest fighters even come close to
>> giving him a challenge. Even Bane, an augmented fighter of monsterous
size,
>> made sure to weaken Batman over a period of DAYS before facing him.
>
>
>Hey, man. Not trying to denigrate your work in any way. It was a good
>effort, but we have to remember what the diff between 4 and 5 is. 5 is
>like tops totally, and he is not totally tops in everything. 4 is still
>pretty darn awesome. Look at him in other systems. He does not have
>maximum human potential (which is what 5 is) in all stats. But like you
>said, whatever goes good for the person. :)
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Message: 2459
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Ok, so everyone has a 5 Intelligence we just take it in different
directions. Problem solved.
-- Chris B
> In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cbaker@... writes:
>
> << Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>>>
>
> Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
> might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as far
> as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they have
> equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
>
> By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
> draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
> they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
> Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>
> The Amazing Sorochinski
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Message: 2460
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Hey guys This is what I got from Customer Service. Not quite good enough for
me But I'll keep looking.
Hello,
Thank you for your recent correspondence. We always welcome your comments
and questions, and are glad you took the time to share them with us.
I'm thrilled to hear of your interest in video games. There was no
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On behalf of all of us at Capcom, I would like to thank you for choosing
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:55 PM
To: webmaster@...
Subject: Hi you might think this is silly but...
> In a message dated 10/7/99 6:11:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> staredown@... writes:
>
> << Well, it's not _just_ a fan explanation, in the Tokima (sp?) manga Dhalsim
> explains to Ryu that they were three children who starved to death while
> he was caring for them (they were too far gone by the time he go to them).
>
> That manga was, I believe, licensed by Capcom, so it's probably at least
> semi-official. >>
>
>
> Cool, now I know at least were the story comes from. When I first started
> playing SF2 I always thought Dhalsim was supposed to be evil. But then
> again, I thought Ryu was evil because I always played Ken and Ryu had the
> same moves as him. Come to think of it, I always thought of all the
> characters as evil except Ken, because they were all fighting him. Except
> Chun-Li, because she was so cute.
>
> Alright, probably more than you wanted to know,
>
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Message: 2461
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Ok, I'm trying to make this character as "offical" as possible, so i will
change the following to better suit the over-all view I am receiving.
Batman will have an Appearnce 3, Charisma 3, Honor of 5 and a Glory of 9
(guess Superman in DC would have a higher Honor and Glory than Batman
anyway, huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:24 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
(5))
>>>
>
>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
far
>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
have
>equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
>
>By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
>draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>
>The Amazing Sorochinski
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Message: 2462
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)
Cool ! I'll Make comments on your comments :)
----------
>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Batman (was: Contenders 2)
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:47 PM
>
>>Ok lets see...
>
> Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage...
>
>>
>>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide,
>>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure)
>>
>
> And I'll comment while you do so.
An exceptional comment to be sure.
>
>>ATTRIBUTES
>>
>>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated
>> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)
>>
>>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
>> fair)
>>
>>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles
>> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
>> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness.
>> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)
>>
>>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
>> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows
>>off
>> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford
>>to
>> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)
>
> That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too
> popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely.
Indeed Lonely fits, It's hard to have a social life when you fight crime
24/7 (like he or anyone else could)
>
>>
>>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not
>> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)
>>
>>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
>> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
>> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)
>>
>>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare.
>> He may even have a seven)
>>
>>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>
> I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the
> impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I
> _could_ give a 5 here.
Gee.... why does he hire all of the scientists, researchers and developers
for Wayne industries? And more importantly, when would he have the time?
Kitbashing is one thing but, invention and development is totally different.
Batman must have a time machine hidden somewhere.
>>
>>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd
>> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)
>>
>>Talents
>>
>>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
>>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5
>>
>>SKILLS
>>
>>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4,
>>leadership
>>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
>>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in
>>this area I'm sure.)
>>
>>KNOWLEDGES
>>
>>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
>>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
>>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
>>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
>>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style
>>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)
>>
>>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)
>
> I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still
> some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog etc.
> They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill.
> Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9 is
> pretty close to 10...
I agree with this ...
>>
>>BACKGROUNDS
>>
>>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
>>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.)
>
> And?
>
> , Backing 4/5 (Wayne
>>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
>>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei
>>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be
>>limited to no more than three)
>>
>>TECHNIQUES
>>
>>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block
>>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)
>
> Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck me
> as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...?
... maybe 5 not six ... six is way out.
>>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4
>>
>>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20
>>
>>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)
>>
>>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
>>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate.
>
> In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu.
Probably a good bet in a pinch
>>
>>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
>>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
>>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.
>
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
>
> Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the dark
> knight?
Good comments, I mean mine too, Kristofer, you are the comment king. I
probably would never use Batman in one of my games. I prefer using my own
creativity. Maybe in a weird TV episode where the characters are sucked into
the Television dimension, where they join forces with the 60's Batman POW!
ZAP! YOWIE! :D
well, there we go, Batman is up and closer to what i think everyone wanted.
No unique ability to combo, some lessened stats, but as close as I think we
will get to the character. Thanks for the input guys! Any requests for
Contenders 2? While I'm at it, check out The Encyclopedia Combatica: econd
Edition. Tons of new maneuvers i think the game has needed have been
entered - weapons maneuvers, force field, lightning, dodge, and many others.
The list, all together with the original moves, totals over 250 seperate
Special Maneuvers!
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:24 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
(5))
>>>
>
>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
far
>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
have
>equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
>
>By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
>draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>
>The Amazing Sorochinski
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Message: 2464
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Random Dice roller
For all of us who have Mirc but aren't too hip on using it, how do you make
the random dice roller work on Mirc? let's pretend I dont have a clue
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:24 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
(5))
>>>
>
>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
far
>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
have
>equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
>
>By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
>draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>
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Message: 2465
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
no, I think it's obvious that we all don't have a 5 intelligence (I know i
sure wouldnt if I were a character), but some people have brillant minds, so
much that they are legendary. I know that batman is fiction, but surely he
has this level of inrelligence, just not in the Genius level of Einstein in
physics (see my special Genius/Natural Blessing in my blessing/burden area -
Einstein would have this at Physics, while batman has it at crime solving)
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:50 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>Ok, so everyone has a 5 Intelligence we just take it in different
>directions. Problem solved.
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 5:23 PM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> cbaker@... writes:
>>
>> << Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
(5))
>>>>
>>
>> Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above.
Batman
>> might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
far
>> as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
have
>> equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two
cents.
>>
>> By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some
intelligence
>> draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>> they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>> Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>>
>> The Amazing Sorochinski
>>
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>Hey guys This is what I got from Customer Service. Not quite good enough
for
>me But I'll keep looking.
>
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Thank you for your recent correspondence. We always welcome your comments
>and questions, and are glad you took the time to share them with us.
>
>I'm thrilled to hear of your interest in video games. There was no
>significant meaning with the skull, except that it look good on Dhaslim.
We
>will be sure to let you and all our avid fans out there know for any new
>developments as they arise. You should also monitor our web site
>www.capcom.com for the latest information regarding Promotions, New
>Releases, and Industry News.
>
>On behalf of all of us at Capcom, I would like to thank you for choosing
>Capcom products and for your continued support. Don't forget you can also
>call our Game Play Hotline at (900) 680-2583 for game play assistance or
>information on new releases. You must be 18 years or older or have parental
>permission to call our 900 number. It costs $0.99 per minute for 24 hours
>pre-recorded information or $1.35 per minute for live Game Counselor
>assistance. From Canada, dial 1-900-677-2272, and the cost is $1.35 per
>minute.
>
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>support or order information. Our representatives would be happy to assist
>you; they are here Monday through Friday 8:30 AM- 5PM, Pacific Standard
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:55 PM
>To: webmaster@...
>Subject: Hi you might think this is silly but...
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 5:05 PM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/7/99 6:11:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> staredown@... writes:
>>
>> << Well, it's not _just_ a fan explanation, in the Tokima (sp?) manga
Dhalsim
>> explains to Ryu that they were three children who starved to death while
>> he was caring for them (they were too far gone by the time he go to
them).
>>
>> That manga was, I believe, licensed by Capcom, so it's probably at least
>> semi-official. >>
>>
>>
>> Cool, now I know at least were the story comes from. When I first
started
>> playing SF2 I always thought Dhalsim was supposed to be evil. But then
>> again, I thought Ryu was evil because I always played Ken and Ryu had the
>> same moves as him. Come to think of it, I always thought of all the
>> characters as evil except Ken, because they were all fighting him.
Except
>> Chun-Li, because she was so cute.
>>
>> Alright, probably more than you wanted to know,
>>
>> The Amazing Sorochinski
>>
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Message: 2467
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)
I'm putting 'weird" stats like batman and blade up on Contenders 2 for the
sole purpose of Duking it out "unofficaly" with these characters, just for
fun. However, in my own campaigns, these characters can appear on the
Realfighter video game, which was created based on military holo-trainers.
The game can, with the proper equipment, be once again fitted to allow the
training fighter to feel all sensations of real combat, although no real
damage is caused to the participant. So while training on Realfighter, or
for the military, one of these characters could appear and do combat with a
Street Fighter! Then again, they could just show up in a strange campaign
where anything is possible...
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:57 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)
>Cool ! I'll Make comments on your comments :)
>
>
>
>----------
>>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Batman (was: Contenders 2)
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:47 PM
>>
>
>>>Ok lets see...
>>
>> Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage...
>>
>>>
>>>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players
guide,
>>>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good
measure)
>>>
>>
>> And I'll comment while you do so.
>An exceptional comment to be sure.
>>
>>>ATTRIBUTES
>>>
>>>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the
animated
>>> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)
>>>
>>>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
>>> fair)
>>>
>>>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26
miles
>>> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
>>> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent
toughness.
>>> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)
>>>
>>>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
>>> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows
>>>off
>>> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't
afford
>>>to
>>> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)
>>
>> That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too
>> popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely.
>Indeed Lonely fits, It's hard to have a social life when you fight crime
>24/7 (like he or anyone else could)
>>
>>>
>>>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this.
Not
>>> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)
>>>
>>>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
>>> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
>>> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)
>>>
>>>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception
extraordinare.
>>> He may even have a seven)
>>>
>>>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>>
>> I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the
>> impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I
>> _could_ give a 5 here.
> Gee.... why does he hire all of the scientists, researchers and developers
>for Wayne industries? And more importantly, when would he have the time?
>Kitbashing is one thing but, invention and development is totally
different.
>Batman must have a time machine hidden somewhere.
>>>
>>>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone.
I'd
>>> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)
>>>
>>>Talents
>>>
>>>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
>>>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5
>>>
>>>SKILLS
>>>
>>>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4,
>>>leadership
>>>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
>>>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent
in
>>>this area I'm sure.)
>>>
>>>KNOWLEDGES
>>>
>>>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
>>>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
>>>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
>>>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
>>>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch)
Style
>>>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)
>>>
>>>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)
>>
>> I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still
>> some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog
etc.
>> They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill.
>> Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9
is
>> pretty close to 10...
>I agree with this ...
>>>
>>>BACKGROUNDS
>>>
>>>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
>>>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.)
>>
>> And?
>>
>> , Backing 4/5 (Wayne
>>>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
>>>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent
sensei
>>>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably
be
>>>limited to no more than three)
>>>
>>>TECHNIQUES
>>>
>>>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha),
Block
>>>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)
>>
>> Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck
me
>> as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...?
>... maybe 5 not six ... six is way out.
>>>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4
>>>
>>>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20
>>>
>>>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)
>>>
>>>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
>>>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and
Karate.
>>
>> In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu.
>Probably a good bet in a pinch
>>>
>>>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
>>>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
>>>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.
>>
>>>
>>>-- Chris B
>>>
>>
>> Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the
dark
>> knight?
>Good comments, I mean mine too, Kristofer, you are the comment king. I
>probably would never use Batman in one of my games. I prefer using my own
>creativity. Maybe in a weird TV episode where the characters are sucked
into
>the Television dimension, where they join forces with the 60's Batman POW!
>ZAP! YOWIE! :D
>> Kristofer
>-- Chris B
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Message: 2468
From: J. Scott Pittman
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Encyclopedia Combatica Second Edition
I added the Combatica to the Vault, if anyone is interested
-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman <joespitt@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:59 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>well, there we go, Batman is up and closer to what i think everyone wanted.
>No unique ability to combo, some lessened stats, but as close as I think we
>will get to the character. Thanks for the input guys! Any requests for
>Contenders 2? While I'm at it, check out The Encyclopedia Combatica: econd
>Edition. Tons of new maneuvers i think the game has needed have been
>entered - weapons maneuvers, force field, lightning, dodge, and many
others.
>The list, all together with the original moves, totals over 250 seperate
>Special Maneuvers!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:24 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>
>
>>In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>cbaker@... writes:
>>
>><< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
>(5))
>>>>
>>
>>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
>far
>>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
>have
>>equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two
cents.
>>
>>By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
>>draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>>they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>>Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>>
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Message: 2469
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
far
>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
have
>equal intelligence but took it in different directions.
You know when I think of the above statement, I really think it is a matter
of skill not intelligence. Batman has incredible crime busting skills, and
Einstein has Awesome Physics knowledge. Neither of them were born with these
skills. They're skills after all. I don't personally believe in an
intelligence quotient at all. But if the intelligence stat is supposed to
cover it all, than neither Batman nor Einstein know it all, so their skills
should differ greatly, But Their worldly mental ability with all things may
both be a 4 or a 3 or even an eleven. It really doesn't matter. all that
matters is they can't throw fireballs.
Chris - NO EINSTEIN! STAY BACK!!! NOT THE 1 MEGATON FIRESTRIKE!!!!
Einstein - Eet eez very zimple you zee. How you zay... ha do keen.
* Paste sound of thermonuclear strike here *
-- Chris B :)
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>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 8:10 PM
>
> Ok, I'm trying to make this character as "offical" as possible, so i will
> change the following to better suit the over-all view I am receiving.
>
> Batman will have an Appearnce 3, Charisma 3, Honor of 5 and a Glory of 9
> (guess Superman in DC would have a higher Honor and Glory than Batman
> anyway, huh?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 2:24 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>
>
>>In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>cbaker@... writes:
>>
>><< Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
> (5))
>>>>
>>
>>Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above. Batman
>>might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
> far
>>as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
> have
>>equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two cents.
>>
>>By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some intelligence
>>draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>>they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>>Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>>
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Message: 2470
From: JSorochins@aol.com
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
In a message dated 10/7/99 3:56:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cbaker@... writes:
<< Ok, so everyone has a 5 Intelligence we just take it in different
directions. Problem solved. >>
Well, there _is_ that school of thought. :) Intelligence can be a very
tricky thing to define, look at the arguements over standardized test. But
my point is, while Einstein is considered a genius, he was a genius only in
his field. As a matter of fact, he was famous for his absent mindedness so
an arguement could be made (not by me) that he should have a low intelligence
and a very high physics score to reflect this. Both Einstein and Orson Wells
were considered geniuses but the Einstein was not known for making movies and
Wells didn't exactly come up with a new view of physics. So I would give
them both 5's. That doesn't mean Beavis and Butthead should also get 5s. So
what I am trying to say, as Batman has been generally been considered one of
the top minds in his universe, (i mean, he has, hasn't he?) it would not be
outrageous to give him a 5 even if his physics are not quite up to par.
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Message: 2471
From: JSorochins@aol.com
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Good job, Chris! At least we know there is no Official Capchron Seal of
Approval reason for the skulls, so we are free to make up our own.
The Amazing Sorochinski
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Message: 2472
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
See, the problem with this situation is that even the greatest minds of our
century can't define intelligence, Einstein included. Probably because it
doesn't exist. (how's that for controversial) So I prefer to use
Intelligence (the attribute) as a memory attribute. If the character needs
to remember something I have them roll intelligence. If problem solving is
required, I would rather use Wits, After all it is supposed to be mental
agility. You could even argue to use perception for problem solving, since
your internalized perception can be used to look at an idea or situation
from more than one angle, looking for patterns. Intelligence? what the hell,
sorry heck is that?!!
My reasoning is, since Batman doesn't have near eidetic memory, he wouldn't
have a 5 (then again, neither would Einstein)
-- Chris B
----------
>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 8:51 PM
>
> no, I think it's obvious that we all don't have a 5 intelligence (I know i
> sure wouldnt if I were a character), but some people have brillant minds, so
> much that they are legendary. I know that batman is fiction, but surely he
> has this level of inrelligence, just not in the Genius level of Einstein in
> physics (see my special Genius/Natural Blessing in my blessing/burden area -
> Einstein would have this at Physics, while batman has it at crime solving)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:50 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>
>
>>Ok, so everyone has a 5 Intelligence we just take it in different
>>directions. Problem solved.
>>-- Chris B
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 5:23 PM
>>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 10/7/99 1:22:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>
>>> << Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein
> (5))
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Once again I agree with most of a post, except for the part above.
> Batman
>>> might not be as good as Einstein at physics, but then again, Einstein, as
> far
>>> as I know, was not as good as Batman at crime solving. I would say they
> have
>>> equal intelligence but took it in different directions. Just my two
> cents.
>>>
>>> By the by, I read somewhere once that Batman should have some
> intelligence
>>> draining ability. The old JLA had genius', noble prize winners, etc, but
>>> they all stood around like morons and missed the most obvious clues when
>>> Batman was around. (Of course, Batman would then solve the mystery) :)
>>>
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Message: 2473
From: Chris Baker
Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Congratulations!!!! You win the time honoured, Streetfighter golden no
prize!
My next step will be to consult the original developer of the characters.
That will take a couple of days. I'll keep you all posted!
-- Chris B
----------
>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 8:52 PM
>
> hey, i was right, it is there just for looks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:50 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>
>
>>Hey guys This is what I got from Customer Service. Not quite good enough
> for
>>me But I'll keep looking.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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> We
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:55 PM
>>To: webmaster@...
>>Subject: Hi you might think this is silly but...
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
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>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 5:05 PM
>>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 10/7/99 6:11:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> staredown@... writes:
>>>
>>> << Well, it's not _just_ a fan explanation, in the Tokima (sp?) manga
> Dhalsim
>>> explains to Ryu that they were three children who starved to death while
>>> he was caring for them (they were too far gone by the time he go to
> them).
>>>
>>> That manga was, I believe, licensed by Capcom, so it's probably at least
>>> semi-official. >>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cool, now I know at least were the story comes from. When I first
> started
>>> playing SF2 I always thought Dhalsim was supposed to be evil. But then
>>> again, I thought Ryu was evil because I always played Ken and Ryu had the
>>> same moves as him. Come to think of it, I always thought of all the
>>> characters as evil except Ken, because they were all fighting him.
> Except
>>> Chun-Li, because she was so cute.
>>>
>>> Alright, probably more than you wanted to know,
>>>
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