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Group: streetfighter Message: 2405 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: A randon dice generator.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2406 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2407 From: Andy Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2408 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2409 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2410 From: Darrick Chen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: New Legends Online
Group: streetfighter Message: 2411 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2412 From: Darrick Chen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Group: streetfighter Message: 2413 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Group: streetfighter Message: 2414 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Group: streetfighter Message: 2415 From: MITZPD@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Hey what happened
Group: streetfighter Message: 2416 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Now I ready to manage: Gateway the begin of fighter Tournament
Group: streetfighter Message: 2417 From: MITZPD@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Group: streetfighter Message: 2418 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
Group: streetfighter Message: 2419 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Okay another topic
Group: streetfighter Message: 2420 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
Group: streetfighter Message: 2421 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2422 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
Group: streetfighter Message: 2423 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2424 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2425 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2426 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2427 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2428 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2429 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2430 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2431 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2432 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2433 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2434 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2435 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2436 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2437 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2438 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2439 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2440 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2441 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2442 From: AJSolis@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2443 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Gateway Tournament
Group: streetfighter Message: 2444 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: gateway Tournament
Group: streetfighter Message: 2445 From: Charles Little Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2446 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2447 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2448 From: Charles Little Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2449 From: shadaloo@uol.com.br Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Group: streetfighter Message: 2450 From: Dustin Wolfe Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2451 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2452 From: Andy Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: gateway Tournament
Group: streetfighter Message: 2453 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Group: streetfighter Message: 2454 From: Kristofer Lundstr�m Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Batman (was: Contenders 2)


Group: streetfighter Message: 2405 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: A randon dice generator.
http://www.mirc.com

Unfortunately, in order to use it on your own you have to open it twice and
connect to the same room, as it's designed to be used by a group of people
for an interntet game.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:35 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: A randon dice generator.


>Thanks but where is the page, for I can get it?
>
>"J.J." wrote:
>
>> There's one for mIRC in the vault that uses the White Wolf dice system.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Monday, October 04, 1999 7:33 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: A randon dice generator.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >I need a randon dice generator (ten faces dice), someone can help me?
>> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2406 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Well, according to Street Fighter 2010 (American name, not sure if it was
the same overseas. Character WAS the same.) for the old 8 bit Nintendo
Entertainment System, Ken had been mutated into a cyborg-like being and had
retired from the SF circuit to save the world from other mutants created the
same way he was.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2407 From: Andy Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
----- Original Message -----
From: J.J. <tyger1@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:19 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


> Well, according to Street Fighter 2010 (American name, not sure if it was
> the same overseas. Character WAS the same.) for the old 8 bit Nintendo
> Entertainment System, Ken had been mutated into a cyborg-like being and
had
> retired from the SF circuit to save the world from other mutants created
the
> same way he was.
>

Capcom has SINCE released a statment indicating that that was not KEN
masters....it was Else person that happend to be named Ken.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2408 From: J.J. Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In which case, he'd still be known on the SF circuit since he left after
winning the World Warrior tournament. (And besides, finding out that it was
Ken from SF was the 'secret ending' in the original release, which is why I
don't know the name of it.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 3:47 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: J.J. <tyger1@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 7:19 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>
>
>> Well, according to Street Fighter 2010 (American name, not sure if it was
>> the same overseas. Character WAS the same.) for the old 8 bit Nintendo
>> Entertainment System, Ken had been mutated into a cyborg-like being and
>had
>> retired from the SF circuit to save the world from other mutants created
>the
>> same way he was.
>>
>
>Capcom has SINCE released a statment indicating that that was not KEN
>masters....it was Else person that happend to be named Ken.
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2409 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/5/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/5/99 6:43:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
staredown@... writes:

<< Dhalsim: retires to live with his family (see a trend developing here?) >>

I agree with most of the suggestions except this one. Somehow, Dhalsim has
managed to be both a Buddhist monk AND a family man. (Don't ask me how he
managed that) so why would he quit? Also, monkhood is not something most
monks retire from. I mean, there is hardly a manditory retiremnet age.
_maybe_ I could see him becoming a hermit, retiring from the world
(especially if something has happened to his family). It would be in keeping
with Buddist teachings. Plus, that way, the characters in the game could
have a scenario where they have to track him down and convince him to take an
interest in worldly matters.

The Amazing Sorochinski
Group: streetfighter Message: 2410 From: Darrick Chen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: New Legends Online
To thos eplaying in the New LEgends Online campaign which is THIS SATURDAY
NIGHT (October 9th) at eleven pm Central time:

Holding the informal refresher meeting on Friday Night at eleven pm central
time. If you cannot make either, LET ME KNOW. I've already had one player
drop out due to circumstances, and I need to know if anyone else is out.

October 22nd will be the next possible time for me to run the game.

Hope you all can make it.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 2411 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
--- JSorochins@... wrote:
> In a message dated 10/5/99 6:43:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> staredown@... writes:
>
> << Dhalsim: retires to live with his family (see a trend developing
> here?) >>
>
> I agree with most of the suggestions except this one. Somehow, Dhalsim
> has
> managed to be both a Buddhist monk AND a family man. (Don't ask me how
> he
> managed that) so why would he quit? Also, monkhood is not something
> most
> monks retire from. I mean, there is hardly a manditory retiremnet age.
>
> _maybe_ I could see him becoming a hermit, retiring from the world
> (especially if something has happened to his family). It would be in
> keeping
> with Buddist teachings. Plus, that way, the characters in the game
> could
> have a scenario where they have to track him down and convince him to
> take an
> interest in worldly matters.

He's buddist? I always though he was hindu. (Not that it matters since
my knowledge of both of them together barely fills a thimble).

> The Amazing Sorochinski

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Group: streetfighter Message: 2412 From: Darrick Chen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Guys-

Thanks to Mr.Pittman and hi slovely Dogs of War clubroom, I have been able
to establish an online gaming forum that everyone can join!

I have been able to establish Storyboy's Gamezone at
http://clubs.yahoo.com/storyboysgamezone and hopefully it will eliminate
the need for ICQ and its bandwidth problems. I will be utilizing the chat
function that come with the club page and apparently it will be limited only
by how much Yahoo can support.

Also due to error, I was accidentally given 2 clubrooms, which I will ry to
rectify. But if Yahoo doesn't have a problem with it, I might make one a
regular club page whgile making the other an unlisted campaign-only page.

If so, the Gamezone will not be posted as an Street-Fighter Exclusive club
(I also run Big Eyes Small Mouth and Bubblegum Crisis) but Street Fighter IS
the main priority of the page. Meaning, I can finally rin New Legends Online
without crashing!!

Let me know who's interested,

Darrick


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Group: streetfighter Message: 2413 From: Morgado, Mike Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
Does this mean you are now taking new players?

Mike Morgado
mmorgado@...
ext. 642
(519) 383-3642
PC/ITS


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darrick Chen [SMTP:dare2live@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 12:54 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Street Fighter: In the Zone
>
> Guys-
>
> Thanks to Mr.Pittman and hi slovely Dogs of War clubroom, I have been able
>
> to establish an online gaming forum that everyone can join!
>
> I have been able to establish Storyboy's Gamezone at
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/storyboysgamezone and hopefully it will eliminate
> the need for ICQ and its bandwidth problems. I will be utilizing the chat
> function that come with the club page and apparently it will be limited
> only
> by how much Yahoo can support.
>
> Also due to error, I was accidentally given 2 clubrooms, which I will ry
> to
> rectify. But if Yahoo doesn't have a problem with it, I might make one a
> regular club page whgile making the other an unlisted campaign-only page.
>
> If so, the Gamezone will not be posted as an Street-Fighter Exclusive club
>
> (I also run Big Eyes Small Mouth and Bubblegum Crisis) but Street Fighter
> IS
> the main priority of the page. Meaning, I can finally rin New Legends
> Online
> without crashing!!
>
> Let me know who's interested,
>
> Darrick
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2414 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
--- Darrick Chen <dare2live@...> wrote:
> Guys-
>
> Thanks to Mr.Pittman and hi slovely Dogs of War clubroom, I have been
> able
> to establish an online gaming forum that everyone can join!
>
> I have been able to establish Storyboy's Gamezone at
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/storyboysgamezone and hopefully it will
> eliminate
> the need for ICQ and its bandwidth problems. I will be utilizing the
> chat
> function that come with the club page and apparently it will be limited
> only
> by how much Yahoo can support.
>
> Also due to error, I was accidentally given 2 clubrooms, which I will ry
> to
> rectify. But if Yahoo doesn't have a problem with it, I might make one a
>
> regular club page whgile making the other an unlisted campaign-only
> page.
>
> If so, the Gamezone will not be posted as an Street-Fighter Exclusive
> club
> (I also run Big Eyes Small Mouth and Bubblegum Crisis) but Street
> Fighter IS
> the main priority of the page. Meaning, I can finally rin New Legends
> Online
> without crashing!!
>
> Let me know who's interested,
>
> Darrick

I'm interested, but I tried the link and it didn't happen.

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merely expect them to try."
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2415 From: MITZPD@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Hey what happened
Thought that we were trying to put together a book of all the material that
we all had well some one let me know what happened to this idea because i
want to do it


JP
Group: streetfighter Message: 2416 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Now I ready to manage: Gateway the begin of fighter Tournament
With some help from Robert Pascuttini and Chris Hoffmann, I ready to manage it




Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:

> When I try create a E-groups tournament I was talking serious, with problems of
> language and stuff I will go on, but I do it just one season.
>
> First if someone want enter in this experience needs:
>
> 1) A Rank 1 fighter (Yes a begginer), of course with your name(or nickname) and
> e-mail adress.
> 2) Make a tatic (Ten moves only).
> 3) Good temper (I try make the thing good and it can be slow).
> 4) This going to run in E-mail format, and the results and the upcoming fights
> are be posted in this list but atention for the titles: Results of Fights and
> Upcoming fights.
> 5) I want make a test fights first to see how good is my concern of manage
> things.
> 6) This is going run like Bloodsport movie in stages, The winner going to next
> fight stage the loser is out.
>
> 7) I acept just hand to hand characthers, weapons are out of question here.

8) No merits or flaws.
9) The name will be Gateway the begin of fighter (Chris Hoffmann idea)

>
> I, just waiting...
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2417 From: MITZPD@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Street Fighter: In the Zone
In a message dated 10/6/1999 1:04:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dare2live@... writes:

<< http://clubs.yahoo.com/storyboysgamezone >>
i am interested

jp
Group: streetfighter Message: 2418 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
 
yea, "from a certain point of view".  I'm just saying that Ben has a tendency to twist things to fit whatever cause he's decided is important, regardless of whether it's for the common good or not.  So maybe blowing up the Death Star wasn't a perfectly Light-Side thing to do, but it sure as hell made sense... from a certain point of view.
 
see what I mean? ;)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: SlpStck@... <SlpStck@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 03, 1999 1:57 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's

In a message dated 10/02/1999 2:47:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
skarsten@... writes:

<< "Darth Vader murdered your father" >>
ben explained what he meant by that in the third (6th?) movie. and in episode 
one, he implies that yoda had taught himn a few things. "But Master Yoda told 
me to always be mindful of the future..."
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2419 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: Okay another topic
I think in a Star Wars setting, determining time of death would be a little easier than it is in the real world.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 03, 1999 8:08 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Okay another topic

HEh heh he
Hey AJ


 > >  I dunno. I kinda thought about it. what the hell do you do if a person
>wants
> > to split dice on a double hit kick to one person and a triple strike to
> > another. See what I mean?
> >
>    Personally, I would let them.  I remember hearing the statistic for the
>world record of number of punches or kicks in a small interval (3 seconds? 
>2
>seconds? Can't recall), and it was a surprisingly high number.  And that is
>in the real world, in which people cannot demolish cars with their bare 
>hands
>in under thirty seconds, regurgitate fireballs, fly, or walk through walls.
>Sure it's cinematic, but that is the default genre for the game.

 
Its to much work though. Id rather let a person do triple strike at two 
people splitting the attacks, Giving one to one person and two to the other.
Im not surprised at that record but I have to ask, how much power did the 
person put into those punchs. Any one can put there hands up and
flail there hands for 2 to three seconds. But are they any good.

There are a few problems with bringing real life matters into games.
I played one game of Star wars a while ago and they found a body and wanted 
to find out hen it died. I told them it wasnt possible.
Despite popular beleif, you cannot tell how long a body has been dead for. 
You can give very rough estimates, but you can not determine the time of 
death.

I was writting the lprevious leters same time you were so I was exhausted 
aswell(The laugh above)


 >
> > Actually its optional for weapons to do aggravated in SF. Choice of the 
>ST.
>     Well, okay the claws of most supernaturals are just as lethal in the 
>WoD
>as whatever does do agg damage in SF (wasn't there a laser?).  Of course,
>some beings only have lethal claws, which still correspond more closely to
>agg in SF than anything else, but anyway that is another matter.
>
> > I know fighting wise there is. They cant use special maneuvers such as
> > knee strike and such.(Im pretty sure anyways) or any powers.
> >
>      I'm too tired right now to look it up in WoD Combat.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2420 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
Re: [streetfighter] Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's Man, check out Zen Buddhism, the Force is very similar. Ben is perfectly right, Everything depends on your point of view. He didn't tell Luke everything, because Luke wasn't ready to hear it. A common problem in everyday life. Ben had the wisdom to follow the Force, while guiding Luke slowly. The truth....Luke couldn't handle the truth! :)   Remember, essential truths are hidden in what seems like paradox. Luke was too wild, Obi Wan  and Yoda knew this, Luke recklessly flew off to cloud city without thinking things through and trusting the Force. Obi Wan taught Luke the only way Luke would accept it.
-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 7:00 PM


 
yea, "from a certain point of view".  I'm just saying that Ben has a tendency to twist things to fit whatever cause he's decided is important, regardless of whether it's for the common good or not.  So maybe blowing up the Death Star wasn't a perfectly Light-Side thing to do, but it sure as hell made sense... from a certain point of view.
 
see what I mean? ;)
 
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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >
Date: Sunday, October 03, 1999 1:57 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's

In a message dated 10/02/1999 2:47:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skarsten@... <mailto:skarsten@...>  writes:

<< "Darth Vader murdered your father" >>
ben explained what he meant by that in the third (6th?) movie. and in episode
one, he implies that yoda had taught himn a few things. "But Master Yoda told
me to always be mindful of the future..."


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Group: streetfighter Message: 2421 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/6/99 9:09:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
staredown@... writes:

<< He's buddist? I always though he was hindu. (Not that it matters since
my knowledge of both of them together barely fills a thimble).
>>


I believe I did read that somewhere, which I do agree is odd, since there are
not many Buddhists left in India. Of course, now that I am looking for it I
can"t find it anywhere.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2422 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: (Way off topic) STUPID PC's
In a message dated 10/06/1999 7:03:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skarsten@... writes:

<< whether it's for the common good or not. So maybe blowing up the Death
Star wasn't a perfectly Light-Side thing to do >>
blowing up the death star wasn't for the common good? if ben hadn't gotten
luke to use the force, and thus, blow up the DS, alderaan would have been
blown up, destroying the rebellion, and making it impossible for freedom to
prevail.... :::sounds of heavy panting, and hysterical laughter as nice men
with a long sleeved jacket take him away to a nice padded room:::
Group: streetfighter Message: 2423 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
techniques.

-- Chris B


----------
>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 9:50 PM
>

> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:09:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> staredown@... writes:
>
> << He's buddist? I always though he was hindu. (Not that it matters since
> my knowledge of both of them together barely fills a thimble).
> >>
>
>
> I believe I did read that somewhere, which I do agree is odd, since there are
> not many Buddhists left in India. Of course, now that I am looking for it I
> can"t find it anywhere.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2424 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Kabaddi is obviously a style similar (based on I'm sure) to Kalari, the
represenative martial art of India (practiced in the southern Indian state
of Kerala). Kalari is closely tied to Hinduism.
However, the Street Fighter book says Kabaddi practitioners study Dhyana
Buddhism (Zen in Japan).
Buddhism and Hindusim are two seperate belief systems, Buddhism
(self-enlightenment) being primarily paracticed in Aisa (which is made up of
China, India, Indonesia, Japan and South Korea), and Hinduism
(reincarnation beliefs as well as belief in thousands of gods) being
practiced mostly in India.
My take is Dhalsim is that he practices Buddhism, of course, since he
could have been raised in India without practicing Hinduism, but rather
Buddhism.
Therefore, I beleive that Kabaddi is another, completely diffrent yet very
similar in form of martial arts to Kalari. For characters who wish to learn
the Kalari style, I would simply use the Statistics for Kabaddi, just change
the background of the character.
I hope this helps clarify things a bit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:04 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
>probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
>Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
>techniques.
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 9:50 PM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:09:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> staredown@... writes:
>>
>> << He's buddist? I always though he was hindu. (Not that it matters
since
>> my knowledge of both of them together barely fills a thimble).
>> >>
>>
>>
>> I believe I did read that somewhere, which I do agree is odd, since there
are
>> not many Buddhists left in India. Of course, now that I am looking for
it I
>> can"t find it anywhere.
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2425 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
techniques. >>


OK, _make_ me find the book

Street Fighter The Storytelling Game

p. 72

"... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.

Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with the
priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew into
manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
possible.

Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see the
world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city of
Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.

<snip>

With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established his
own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable of
sacred elephants."

And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few hard
and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to be
celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)

As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although who
knows about secret Calcuttian orders?

And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's Buddhist.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2426 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
And yes, those who practice Hinduism can be married, as well as Buddhists.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:04 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
>probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
>Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
>techniques.
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 9:50 PM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:09:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> staredown@... writes:
>>
>> << He's buddist? I always though he was hindu. (Not that it matters
since
>> my knowledge of both of them together barely fills a thimble).
>> >>
>>
>>
>> I believe I did read that somewhere, which I do agree is odd, since there
are
>> not many Buddhists left in India. Of course, now that I am looking for
it I
>> can"t find it anywhere.
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2427 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/6/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
whoops! I mean that Buddhists in Street Fighter can marry, obviously!
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 8:43 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
> probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
> Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
> techniques. >>
>
>
>OK, _make_ me find the book
>
>Street Fighter The Storytelling Game
>
>p. 72
>
>"... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.
>
>Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with
the
>priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew
into
>manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
>meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
>himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
>possible.
>
>Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see the
>world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city of
>Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
>practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.
>
><snip>
>
>With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established
his
>own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable
of
>sacred elephants."
>
>And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
>cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few hard
>and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to
be
>celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)
>
>As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although who
>knows about secret Calcuttian orders?
>
>And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
>argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's
Buddhist.
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2428 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of them
probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written by
White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented in
Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar.

-- Chris B


----------
>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 11:41 PM
>

> In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cbaker@... writes:
>
> << Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian he
> probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
> Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
> techniques. >>
>
>
> OK, _make_ me find the book
>
> Street Fighter The Storytelling Game
>
> p. 72
>
> "... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.
>
> Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with the
> priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew into
> manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
> meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
> himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
> possible.
>
> Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see the
> world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city of
> Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
> practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.
>
> <snip>
>
> With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established his
> own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable of
> sacred elephants."
>
> And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
> cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few hard
> and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to be
> celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)
>
> As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although who
> knows about secret Calcuttian orders?
>
> And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
> argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's Buddhist.
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2429 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
well, being american, I'll stick to the american versions, lol. I'm not
about to start making all kinds of changes to the characters to make them
fit japanese versions (I beleive Bison was called Vega in Japan's version,
and vice versa). As I mentioned earlier, Dal could be from India and be
Buddist. If you read the beliefs of the religions, uddhisim fits Dal much,
much better I think, but that's just my opinion
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:24 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


> Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
>original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
>name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
them
>probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
>and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
>In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written
by
>White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
>the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented
in
>Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar.
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 11:41 PM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> cbaker@... writes:
>>
>> << Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian
he
>> probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
>> Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
>> techniques. >>
>>
>>
>> OK, _make_ me find the book
>>
>> Street Fighter The Storytelling Game
>>
>> p. 72
>>
>> "... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.
>>
>> Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with
the
>> priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew
into
>> manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
>> meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
>> himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
>> possible.
>>
>> Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see
the
>> world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city
of
>> Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
>> practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established
his
>> own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable
of
>> sacred elephants."
>>
>> And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
>> cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few
hard
>> and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to
be
>> celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)
>>
>> As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although
who
>> knows about secret Calcuttian orders?
>>
>> And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
>> argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's
Buddhist.
>>
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2430 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Ok, I just believed it had to be said.

Oh yeah! found this too; "the Hindus, like the pagans of antiquity adore
natural objects and forces, - a mountain, a river, or an animal. The life
Hindu (or Ascetic) has from the remotest times been regarded in India as the
truest preparation for communion with the deity. Asceticism is extremely
prevalent especially in connection with the cult of Siva, who is in great
measure regarded as the prototype of this class. These Yogis (desciples of
the Yogi philosophy), practice mental abstraction, and Physical discipline.
They are popularly supposed to attain superhuman powers." - History and
Methods of Eastern Religion, 3rd Edition.

Sounds like Dhalsim to me. YOGA INFERNO!!! ;)


-- Chris B


----------
>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 2:30 AM
>

> well, being american, I'll stick to the american versions, lol. I'm not
> about to start making all kinds of changes to the characters to make them
> fit japanese versions (I beleive Bison was called Vega in Japan's version,
> and vice versa). As I mentioned earlier, Dal could be from India and be
> Buddist. If you read the beliefs of the religions, uddhisim fits Dal much,
> much better I think, but that's just my opinion
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:24 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>
>
>> Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
>>original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
>>name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
> them
>>probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
>>and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
>>In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written
> by
>>White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>>mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
>>the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>>Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented
> in
>>Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>>Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar.
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 11:41 PM
>>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>
>>> << Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian
> he
>>> probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
>>> Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
>>> techniques. >>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, _make_ me find the book
>>>
>>> Street Fighter The Storytelling Game
>>>
>>> p. 72
>>>
>>> "... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.
>>>
>>> Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with
> the
>>> priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew
> into
>>> manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
>>> meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
>>> himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see
> the
>>> world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city
> of
>>> Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
>>> practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established
> his
>>> own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable
> of
>>> sacred elephants."
>>>
>>> And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
>>> cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few
> hard
>>> and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to
> be
>>> celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)
>>>
>>> As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although
> who
>>> knows about secret Calcuttian orders?
>>>
>>> And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
>>> argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's
> Buddhist.
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2431 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Oh! M. Bison was the boxer in Japan. Our (North American) Vega was known as
Balrog. M. Bison stands for Mike Bison, he was kind of a tribute or parody
of Mike Tyson.
- Just thought you'd find that amusing :)

-- Chris B


----------
>From: "Chris Baker" <cbaker@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com , streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:46 AM
>

> Ok, I just believed it had to be said.
>
> Oh yeah! found this too; "the Hindus, like the pagans of antiquity adore
> natural objects and forces, - a mountain, a river, or an animal. The life
> Hindu (or Ascetic) has from the remotest times been regarded in India as the
> truest preparation for communion with the deity. Asceticism is extremely
> prevalent especially in connection with the cult of Siva, who is in great
> measure regarded as the prototype of this class. These Yogis (desciples of
> the Yogi philosophy), practice mental abstraction, and Physical discipline.
> They are popularly supposed to attain superhuman powers." - History and
> Methods of Eastern Religion, 3rd Edition.
>
> Sounds like Dhalsim to me. YOGA INFERNO!!! ;)
>
>
> -- Chris B
>
>
> ----------
>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 2:30 AM
>>
>
>> well, being american, I'll stick to the american versions, lol. I'm not
>> about to start making all kinds of changes to the characters to make them
>> fit japanese versions (I beleive Bison was called Vega in Japan's version,
>> and vice versa). As I mentioned earlier, Dal could be from India and be
>> Buddist. If you read the beliefs of the religions, uddhisim fits Dal much,
>> much better I think, but that's just my opinion
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 9:24 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>
>>
>>> Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
>>>original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
>>>name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
>> them
>>>probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
>>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
>>>and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
>>>In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written
>> by
>>>White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>>>mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
>>>the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>>>Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented
>> in
>>>Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>>>Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar.
>>>
>>>-- Chris B
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>>>Date: Wed, Oct 6, 1999, 11:41 PM
>>>>
>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/6/99 8:12:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>>
>>>> << Dhalsim is Hindu, just like Apu from the Simpsons. (being east Indian
>> he
>>>> probably sounds like him too) Hindi can get married. Where do you think
>>>> Tantric sex magic comes from anyway? Not to mention the Kama Sutra
>>>> techniques. >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, _make_ me find the book
>>>>
>>>> Street Fighter The Storytelling Game
>>>>
>>>> p. 72
>>>>
>>>> "... He was saved from starvation by a traveling Buddhist priest.
>>>>
>>>> Under the priest care, Dhalsim's health was restored and he traveled with
>> the
>>>> priest to a remote temple in the Tibetan mountains. There, Dhalsim grew
>> into
>>>> manhood, learning all that the monks of the temple had to teach him about
>>>> meditation, yoga and Buddhist philosophy. Dhalsim became an able monk
>>>> himself, mastering yoga and the amazing mental and physical feats it made
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> Eventually, temple life became too restrictive, and Dhalsim left to see
>> the
>>>> world. He traveled India for many years before fate led him to the city
>> of
>>>> Calcutta, where he encountered a secret sect of Buddhist monks who still
>>>> practiced the ancient combat art of Kabbaddi.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> With the money he receives from Street Fighting, Dhalsim has established
>> his
>>>> own temple in New Delhi, complete with its own Buddha statue and a stable
>> of
>>>> sacred elephants."
>>>>
>>>> And just for the record, while some Hindu monk can indeed marry, others
>>>> cannot. Hinduism is even more factionalized than Christianity and few
>> hard
>>>> and fast facts pertain to all Hindus (Just like Christian priests have to
>> be
>>>> celibate and Christian ministers don't have to be)
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, all Buddhist monks do have to be celibate, although
>> who
>>>> knows about secret Calcuttian orders?
>>>>
>>>> And if you want your Dhalsim to be Hindu, hey, its your game, I have no
>>>> argument with that (and it is more likely). But, officially, he's
>> Buddhist.
>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2432 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of them
probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written by
White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented in
Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>

Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real question
is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention to
their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or what.

The Amazing Sorochinski
Group: streetfighter Message: 2433 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/6/99 10:09:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< Oh! M. Bison was the boxer in Japan. Our (North American) Vega was known as
Balrog. M. Bison stands for Mike Bison, he was kind of a tribute or parody
of Mike Tyson.
- Just thought you'd find that amusing :)
>>


I kind of prefer those designations. I mean, Balrog is a sort of fallen
angel/demon in The Lord of the Rings, which seems to fit the personality of a
beautiful, insane assassin to me.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2434 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/6/99 10:09:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< Oh! M. Bison was the boxer in Japan. Our (North American) Vega was known as
Balrog. M. Bison stands for Mike Bison, he was kind of a tribute or parody
of Mike Tyson.
- Just thought you'd find that amusing :) >>


AND a character very similar to (American) Balrog is in Streetfighter 1 under
the name Mike.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2435 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
I have nooo idea why he is wearing the skulls. :)
I've heard many versions, like: they're the skulls of three Yoga masters
from ages past who were presented to Dhalsim as holy relics. and of course
the three kids dying of starvation, kinda gruesome to me, but I'm not Hindu,
so I guess I shouldn't judge.
It is a mystery that has plagued me for quite some time.
I KNOW! I'll make it my Quest! I'll start with Capcom of Japan.
If I find out anything, I'll post it. ;)

-- Chris B


----------
>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:22 AM
>

> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cbaker@... writes:
>
> << Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of them
> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure, Dhalsim
> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written by
> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented in
> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>
> Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
> Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
> official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
> And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
> married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real question
> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention to
> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or what.
>
> The Amazing Sorochinski
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2436 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Thats a good fan description,whereever it camer from
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:23 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history and
> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for the
> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
them
> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a Muslim,
> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure,
Dhalsim
> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history written
by
> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for me,
> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god presented
in
> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>
>Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
>Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
>official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
>And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
>married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real question
>is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
>skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention to
>their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
what.
>
>The Amazing Sorochinski
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2437 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
cool. I want to hear the story behind the skulls. I bet I know the answer,
though - they look cool! hahah

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:41 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>I have nooo idea why he is wearing the skulls. :)
>I've heard many versions, like: they're the skulls of three Yoga masters
>from ages past who were presented to Dhalsim as holy relics. and of course
>the three kids dying of starvation, kinda gruesome to me, but I'm not
Hindu,
>so I guess I shouldn't judge.
>It is a mystery that has plagued me for quite some time.
>I KNOW! I'll make it my Quest! I'll start with Capcom of Japan.
>If I find out anything, I'll post it. ;)
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:22 AM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> cbaker@... writes:
>>
>> << Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history
and
>> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for
the
>> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
them
>> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a
Muslim,
>> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure,
Dhalsim
>> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history
written by
>> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for
me,
>> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god
presented in
>> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>>
>> Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
>> Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
>> official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
>> And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
>> married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real
question
>> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
>> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention
to
>> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
what.
>>
>> The Amazing Sorochinski
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2438 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Contenders 2
Batman:
http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/batman.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:41 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later


>I have nooo idea why he is wearing the skulls. :)
>I've heard many versions, like: they're the skulls of three Yoga masters
>from ages past who were presented to Dhalsim as holy relics. and of course
>the three kids dying of starvation, kinda gruesome to me, but I'm not
Hindu,
>so I guess I shouldn't judge.
>It is a mystery that has plagued me for quite some time.
>I KNOW! I'll make it my Quest! I'll start with Capcom of Japan.
>If I find out anything, I'll post it. ;)
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: JSorochins@...
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:22 AM
>>
>
>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> cbaker@... writes:
>>
>> << Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history
and
>> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for
the
>> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
them
>> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a
Muslim,
>> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure,
Dhalsim
>> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history
written by
>> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for
me,
>> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god
presented in
>> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>>
>> Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
>> Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
>> official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
>> And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
>> married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real
question
>> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
>> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention
to
>> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
what.
>>
>> The Amazing Sorochinski
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2439 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/07/1999 1:29:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSorochins@... writes:

<< AND a character very similar to (American) Balrog is in Streetfighter 1
under
the name Mike. >>
similar because its the same character. like it was stated before, they
changed Mike's name to balrog in the stated, because they were afraid tyson
would get upset about a black boxer namde mike bison... go fig
Group: streetfighter Message: 2440 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Holy overpowered flying rats Batman!!!
*shakes head* Typical Western hero, perfect in every way. *SIGH*

Booorrring.

Don't get me wrong, Batman is cool.
I'm just severely allergic to perfect or near perfect heroes.

-- Chris B :D


----------
>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Contenders 2
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 3:43 AM
>

> Batman:
> http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/batman.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:41 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>
>
>>I have nooo idea why he is wearing the skulls. :)
>>I've heard many versions, like: they're the skulls of three Yoga masters
>>from ages past who were presented to Dhalsim as holy relics. and of course
>>the three kids dying of starvation, kinda gruesome to me, but I'm not
> Hindu,
>>so I guess I shouldn't judge.
>>It is a mystery that has plagued me for quite some time.
>>I KNOW! I'll make it my Quest! I'll start with Capcom of Japan.
>>If I find out anything, I'll post it. ;)
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:22 AM
>>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>
>>> << Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history
> and
>>> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for
> the
>>> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most of
> them
>>> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark rights.
>>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a
> Muslim,
>>> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure,
> Dhalsim
>>> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history
> written by
>>> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those above
>>> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for
> me,
>>> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>>> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god
> presented in
>>> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage because
>>> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>>>
>>> Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism and
>>> Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
>>> official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version is.
>>> And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being a
>>> married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real
> question
>>> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
>>> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention
> to
>>> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
> what.
>>>
>>> The Amazing Sorochinski
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2441 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
hahah yeah I know. But that's batman. But if you beat batman in the ring...
hwta bragging rights you would have...
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 11:12 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2


>Holy overpowered flying rats Batman!!!
>*shakes head* Typical Western hero, perfect in every way. *SIGH*
>
>Booorrring.
>
>Don't get me wrong, Batman is cool.
>I'm just severely allergic to perfect or near perfect heroes.
>
>-- Chris B :D
>
>
>----------
>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Contenders 2
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 3:43 AM
>>
>
>> Batman:
>> http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/batman.htm
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 10:41 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>
>>
>>>I have nooo idea why he is wearing the skulls. :)
>>>I've heard many versions, like: they're the skulls of three Yoga masters
>>>from ages past who were presented to Dhalsim as holy relics. and of
course
>>>the three kids dying of starvation, kinda gruesome to me, but I'm not
>> Hindu,
>>>so I guess I shouldn't judge.
>>>It is a mystery that has plagued me for quite some time.
>>>I KNOW! I'll make it my Quest! I'll start with Capcom of Japan.
>>>If I find out anything, I'll post it. ;)
>>>
>>>-- Chris B
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years later
>>>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 1:22 AM
>>>>
>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/6/99 9:24:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>>
>>>> << Anyone who follows Streetfighter knows that it's American history
>> and
>>>> original Japanese history differ greatly. There were many reasons for
>> the
>>>> name changes (like Vega in Japan ,being named Bison in the US), most
of
>> them
>>>> probably had to do with translation whimsy as well as trademark
rights.
>>>> History wise Most North Americans wouldn't know a Hindu from a
>> Muslim,
>>>> and in the Streetfighter RPG this is painfully evident. To be sure,
>> Dhalsim
>>>> In his original Japanese character concept, is Hindu. Any history
>> written by
>>>> White Wolf was White Wolf's alone (Maybe assisted by one of those
above
>>>> mentioned North American). Use whatever you THINK is official, but for
>> me,
>>>> the best version is the first. And, for those of you who actually play
>>>> Streetfighter 2, Ganesh, (I believe) is the elephant-headed god
>> presented in
>>>> Dhalsim's stage, not Buddha, Who you will find on Sagat's stage
because
>>>> Thailand and Buddhism are quite familiar. >>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if I came off a bit snotty before. And it is not like Buddhism
and
>>>> Hinduism aren't related. And when I said official before, I meant rpg
>>>> official, I have no idea what the official Japanese Capchron version
is.
>>>> And, myself personally, I kind of like the bizarreness of Dhalsim being
a
>>>> married Buddhist Indian monk, but I am odd that way. Now the real
>> question
>>>> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
>>>> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw
attention
>> to
>>>> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
>> what.
>>>>
>>>> The Amazing Sorochinski
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2442 From: AJSolis@aol.com Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
In a message dated 10/7/99 12:25:19 AM Central Daylight Time,
JSorochins@... writes:

> I heard a story that they were the
> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention to
> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explanation or what.
>
I think that was in the comic book.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2443 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Gateway Tournament
Hey
Chris Hoffmann, I try to send a mail to you but isn´t working, well I send it
to the list. Your fighter sounds good, I don´t want use merit and flaws here.
Ps: If you have that dice generator could you send it to me, thanks Rinaldo.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2444 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: gateway Tournament
Hey folks, if someone have a fighter and want play a fight for e-mail, just
send the fighter to me, I´m making a tournament, but I can´t realize this
without fighter from other people, example: Chris Hoffmann send one to me, but
he can´t fight alone, I need more people. PS: Send me any question about it.
First if someone want enter in this tournament needs:

1) A Rank 1 fighter (Yes a begginer), of course with your name(or nickname)
and
e-mail adress.
2) Make a tatic (Ten moves only).
3) Good temper (I try make the thing good and it can be slow).
4) This going to run in E-mail format, and the results and the upcoming fights

are be posted in this list but atention for the titles: Results of Fights and
Upcoming fights.
5) I want make a test fights first to see how good is my concern of manage
things.
6) This is going run like Bloodsport movie in stages, The winner going to next

fight stage the loser is out.
7) I acept sugestions for a name for this tournament.
8) I acept just hand to hand characthers, weapons are out of question here.

To Chris Hoffmann.
Sounds fun, no Merits or flaws here, well I go to E-group page to take
that dice manager and for my displesure the link is broken and I can´t get it,

if you have that one send it to me. Now my big problem is how I can bring more

people to play this?
Ps: Your mail receive appear broken I can´t send a mail to you.

Chris Hoffmann wrote:

> --- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...> wrote:
> > Well I have the book New Legends, The Arkon Manuvers Compendium, An
> > Style
> > book made by Nightfort or something like that, and many manuvers from
> > pages
> > in the web (many links from your page).
>
> Ok, I'll probably stick to the standard rules then, the main reason I was
> asking is for merits and flaws.
>
> In the bloodsport movie there
> > two
> > groups of fighters (I think they´re organization by country or Orient
> > and
> > Ocident thing) if your country of origin is for example Japan you´re are
> > in
> > Orient group and you fight with an Ocident fighter from the other group,
> > if
> > you win you go on in the tournament if you lose you´re out. In the movie
> > the
> > rule are:
>
> My character will be in the Oriental group. Probably a lot of fighters
> will be.
>
> > 1) You win by K.O.
> > 2) You throw the enemy out of ring. (I make a hex map and acept
> > sugestions
> > for the extension for the ring)
> > 3) The enemy give up and say the word Matte or something like that.
>
> Well, I suppose 'uncle' is too common a word :).
>
> > 4) The ten moves rule. At the end of ten moves the fighter with more
> > energy
> > wins.
>
> 99 seconds, just like the game.
>
> > 5) Gateway is good and I add a subtitle: Gateway the begin of fighter.
>
> I _like_ it!
>
> > 6) If you want use a new style guy just send me the stats of the style
> > and
> > the guy.
>
> Nah, my concept works best with the standard shotoclone.
>
> > 7) I will make an upcoming chart for the fights.
>
> > 8) If you send me a picture of fighter, I will post it in the upcoming
> > chart
> > (It will appear like the STF upcoming fight example Ryu (I put the
> > picture,
> > stats and the player manager of fighter <optional> versus Ken (The same
> > thing, stats, picture and name of manager).
>
> It's times like these that I wish I could draw (or paint, or scan for that
> matter.)
>
> > 9) The arena are a ring (except in the final: The ring are bigger than
> > the
> > original ring).
> > 10) And when I get a randon dice generator I will ready.
>
Group: streetfighter Message: 2445 From: Charles Little Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
> hahah yeah I know. But that's batman. But if you beat batman in the ring...
> hwta bragging rights you would have...

I don't agree. IMO, Batman wins because he is determined and prepared,
not because he's perfect. 10 willpower, 5 stamina, 5 wits. The others
are 4 or 3 (maybe even a couple of ::gasp:: average stats :-D ) And any
three combat maneuvers to a dizzy? That's a _bit_ overpowered don't you
think?
Group: streetfighter Message: 2446 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
Now the real
> question
> is, why is he wearing those skulls? I heard a story that they were the
> skulls of children who died of starvation in Calcutta (to draw attention
> to
> their plight) but I have no idea if that is just a fan explaination or
> what.

Well, it's not _just_ a fan explanation, in the Tokima (sp?) manga Dhalsim
explains to Ryu that they were three children who starved to death while
he was caring for them (they were too far gone by the time he go to them).

That manga was, I believe, licensed by Capcom, so it's probably at least
semi-official.

> The Amazing Sorochinski

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Group: streetfighter Message: 2447 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
not really. I have red time and time again that Batman (in his universe,
which is a powerfuL one (to say the least), is in perfect physical and
mental condition. he's a master manipulator and planner, and attractive
doesn't begin to describe him (thats in the books, I dont find him
attractive, haha). he is one of DCs greatest martial artists, and Ive seen
comics where batman takes on DOZENS of guys, and even a group of ninjas and
mops the floor with them. Only the greatest fighters even come close to
giving him a challenge. Even Bane, an augmented fighter of monsterous size,
made sure to weaken Batman over a period of DAYS before facing him.
I would prefer Batman to be weaker than I have presented him - but if I
did, i don't think I would be doing the character justice. 3 perception? 4
Wits? No way - I saw a picture in an elseworlds ad where Batman was giving
Sherlock Holmes pointers! 5 strength, obviously, 5 dex, without a doubt
(leaping from rooftop to rooftop helps, not to mention dodging multiple
weapon attacks at once). Batman is simply perfect in nearly every way. 10
Willpower? All the way. Batman has had the willpower to fight crime, without
stopping, every night, for years. also remember in one comic where he had
been tourtoured for days, but still had clarity of thought.
However, if you'll notice, I did not give batman any of my Weapon
maneuvers, and he has no Dragon Punch or other inhuman powers, no
Superhumnan Attributes, and no Focus powers at all.
If you don't prefer these statistics, please feel free to modify them if
you want to use Batman, but I diddnt just make this up, I really though
about each part of the character and what I though those statistics should
be. Hope most of you liked him, anyway. =)
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 5:08 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2


>> hahah yeah I know. But that's batman. But if you beat batman in the
ring...
>> hwta bragging rights you would have...
>
>I don't agree. IMO, Batman wins because he is determined and prepared,
>not because he's perfect. 10 willpower, 5 stamina, 5 wits. The others
>are 4 or 3 (maybe even a couple of ::gasp:: average stats :-D ) And any
>three combat maneuvers to a dizzy? That's a _bit_ overpowered don't you
>think?
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2448 From: Charles Little Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
> not really. I have red time and time again that Batman (in his universe,
> which is a powerfuL one (to say the least), is in perfect physical and
> mental condition. he's a master manipulator and planner, and attractive
> doesn't begin to describe him (thats in the books, I dont find him
> attractive, haha). he is one of DCs greatest martial artists, and Ive seen
> comics where batman takes on DOZENS of guys, and even a group of ninjas and
> mops the floor with them. Only the greatest fighters even come close to
> giving him a challenge. Even Bane, an augmented fighter of monsterous size,
> made sure to weaken Batman over a period of DAYS before facing him.


Hey, man. Not trying to denigrate your work in any way. It was a good
effort, but we have to remember what the diff between 4 and 5 is. 5 is
like tops totally, and he is not totally tops in everything. 4 is still
pretty darn awesome. Look at him in other systems. He does not have
maximum human potential (which is what 5 is) in all stats. But like you
said, whatever goes good for the person. :)
Group: streetfighter Message: 2449 From: shadaloo@uol.com.br Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: 20 years later
"j. scott pittman" <joespit-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=2429
> well, being american, I'll stick to the american versions, lol. I'm
not
> about to start making all kinds of changes to the characters to make
them
> fit japanese versions (I beleive Bison was called Vega in Japan's
version,
> and vice versa).

The Bosses Names:

E. U. A. Japan
Balrog M. Bison American boxer
Vega Balrog Spanish Ninja
M. Bison VEGA Psycho Power Style


VEGA (Psycho Power Style)
Group: streetfighter Message: 2450 From: Dustin Wolfe Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
>Hey, man. Not trying to denigrate your work in any way. It was a good
>effort, but we have to remember what the diff between 4 and 5 is. 5 is
>like tops totally, and he is not totally tops in everything. 4 is still
>pretty darn awesome. Look at him in other systems. He does not have
>maximum human potential (which is what 5 is) in all stats. But like you
>said, whatever goes good for the person. :)


Actually, in the Batman RPG, it states that after all of his training and
experience, Batman does have the maximum human physical potential. Although
I don't totally agree with this when it comes to strength, the rest seems to
fit. After all, Batman was training before he was even a teenager, and
learned his detective skills from one of the greatest detectives alive, as
well as others. But that isn't too important, I'll still take Batman or
nearly any Marvel character over Superman. If there has ever been a perfect
character, it's Superman, and I hate that. Give me Spider-Man with all of
his personal problems any day over Superman. Anyways, just though I'd put my
two cents in.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2451 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Ok lets see...

here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide,
secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure)

ATTRIBUTES

Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated
series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)

Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
fair)

Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles
385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness.
so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)

Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows off
a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford to
draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)

Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not
to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)

Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)

Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare.
He may even have a seven)

Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))

Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd
say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)

Talents

Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5

SKILLS

Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4, leadership
2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in
this area I'm sure.)

KNOWLEDGES

Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style
Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)

HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)

BACKGROUNDS

Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.), Backing 4/5 (Wayne
Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei
who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be
limited to no more than three)

TECHNIQUES

Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block
4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)
Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4

CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20

DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)

STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate.

COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.

Oh yeah! and while I'm bagging RYU should not have a 5 Int Per and Wits.
This was passed because of the mental attributes/chi abilities thing. For
chi damage I use Willpower/2 round up.

And what is it with Dhalsim only having a 3 dexterity? The guy is like
rubber. I would give him a 6, But he's slow so I would count Speed as a
three.

-- Chris B


----------
>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 12:40 PM
>

> not really. I have red time and time again that Batman (in his universe,
> which is a powerfuL one (to say the least), is in perfect physical and
> mental condition. he's a master manipulator and planner, and attractive
> doesn't begin to describe him (thats in the books, I dont find him
> attractive, haha). he is one of DCs greatest martial artists, and Ive seen
> comics where batman takes on DOZENS of guys, and even a group of ninjas and
> mops the floor with them. Only the greatest fighters even come close to
> giving him a challenge. Even Bane, an augmented fighter of monsterous size,
> made sure to weaken Batman over a period of DAYS before facing him.
> I would prefer Batman to be weaker than I have presented him - but if I
> did, i don't think I would be doing the character justice. 3 perception? 4
> Wits? No way - I saw a picture in an elseworlds ad where Batman was giving
> Sherlock Holmes pointers! 5 strength, obviously, 5 dex, without a doubt
> (leaping from rooftop to rooftop helps, not to mention dodging multiple
> weapon attacks at once). Batman is simply perfect in nearly every way. 10
> Willpower? All the way. Batman has had the willpower to fight crime, without
> stopping, every night, for years. also remember in one comic where he had
> been tourtoured for days, but still had clarity of thought.
> However, if you'll notice, I did not give batman any of my Weapon
> maneuvers, and he has no Dragon Punch or other inhuman powers, no
> Superhumnan Attributes, and no Focus powers at all.
> If you don't prefer these statistics, please feel free to modify them if
> you want to use Batman, but I diddnt just make this up, I really though
> about each part of the character and what I though those statistics should
> be. Hope most of you liked him, anyway. =)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 5:08 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>
>
>>> hahah yeah I know. But that's batman. But if you beat batman in the
> ring...
>>> hwta bragging rights you would have...
>>
>>I don't agree. IMO, Batman wins because he is determined and prepared,
>>not because he's perfect. 10 willpower, 5 stamina, 5 wits. The others
>>are 4 or 3 (maybe even a couple of ::gasp:: average stats :-D ) And any
>>three combat maneuvers to a dizzy? That's a _bit_ overpowered don't you
>>think?
>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2452 From: Andy Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: gateway Tournament
Hey there.... Looking for fighters? I have a few PC's from various fighters
that are itching to do battle. One question thought, when you say that they
must all be Rank 1 fighters..... How about extra Background Characters? I
have a Few Cyborgs and Hybrids that want to enter in the tourni.. would they
be alowed?
Thanx
Andy.
Group: streetfighter Message: 2453 From: Chris Baker Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Re: Contenders 2
Could you imagine getting hit with Einstein's Fireball??!!! It would be
Atomic!

-- Chris B


----------
>From: "Chris Baker" <cbaker@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com , streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 4:59 PM
>

> Ok lets see...
>
> here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide,
> secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure)
>
> ATTRIBUTES
>
> Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated
> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)
>
> Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
> fair)
>
> Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles
> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness.
> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)
>
> Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows off
> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford to
> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)
>
> Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not
> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)
>
> Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)
>
> Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare.
> He may even have a seven)
>
> Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>
> Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd
> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)
>
> Talents
>
> Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
> Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5
>
> SKILLS
>
> Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4, leadership
> 2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
> reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in
> this area I'm sure.)
>
> KNOWLEDGES
>
> Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
> between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
> the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
> Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
> training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style
> Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)
>
> HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)
>
> BACKGROUNDS
>
> Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
> kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.), Backing 4/5 (Wayne
> Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
> connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei
> who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be
> limited to no more than three)
>
> TECHNIQUES
>
> Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block
> 4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)
> Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4
>
> CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20
>
> DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)
>
> STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
> original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate.
>
> COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
> one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
> definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.
>
> Oh yeah! and while I'm bagging RYU should not have a 5 Int Per and Wits.
> This was passed because of the mental attributes/chi abilities thing. For
> chi damage I use Willpower/2 round up.
>
> And what is it with Dhalsim only having a 3 dexterity? The guy is like
> rubber. I would give him a 6, But he's slow so I would count Speed as a
> three.
>
> -- Chris B
>
>
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>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 12:40 PM
>>
>
>> not really. I have red time and time again that Batman (in his universe,
>> which is a powerfuL one (to say the least), is in perfect physical and
>> mental condition. he's a master manipulator and planner, and attractive
>> doesn't begin to describe him (thats in the books, I dont find him
>> attractive, haha). he is one of DCs greatest martial artists, and Ive seen
>> comics where batman takes on DOZENS of guys, and even a group of ninjas and
>> mops the floor with them. Only the greatest fighters even come close to
>> giving him a challenge. Even Bane, an augmented fighter of monsterous size,
>> made sure to weaken Batman over a period of DAYS before facing him.
>> I would prefer Batman to be weaker than I have presented him - but if I
>> did, i don't think I would be doing the character justice. 3 perception? 4
>> Wits? No way - I saw a picture in an elseworlds ad where Batman was giving
>> Sherlock Holmes pointers! 5 strength, obviously, 5 dex, without a doubt
>> (leaping from rooftop to rooftop helps, not to mention dodging multiple
>> weapon attacks at once). Batman is simply perfect in nearly every way. 10
>> Willpower? All the way. Batman has had the willpower to fight crime, without
>> stopping, every night, for years. also remember in one comic where he had
>> been tourtoured for days, but still had clarity of thought.
>> However, if you'll notice, I did not give batman any of my Weapon
>> maneuvers, and he has no Dragon Punch or other inhuman powers, no
>> Superhumnan Attributes, and no Focus powers at all.
>> If you don't prefer these statistics, please feel free to modify them if
>> you want to use Batman, but I diddnt just make this up, I really though
>> about each part of the character and what I though those statistics should
>> be. Hope most of you liked him, anyway. =)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 5:08 AM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2
>>
>>
>>>> hahah yeah I know. But that's batman. But if you beat batman in the
>> ring...
>>>> hwta bragging rights you would have...
>>>
>>>I don't agree. IMO, Batman wins because he is determined and prepared,
>>>not because he's perfect. 10 willpower, 5 stamina, 5 wits. The others
>>>are 4 or 3 (maybe even a couple of ::gasp:: average stats :-D ) And any
>>>three combat maneuvers to a dizzy? That's a _bit_ overpowered don't you
>>>think?
>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 2454 From: Kristofer Lundstr�m Date: 10/7/1999
Subject: Batman (was: Contenders 2)
>Ok lets see...

Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage...

>
>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide,
>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure)
>

And I'll comment while you do so.

>ATTRIBUTES
>
>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated
> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)
>
>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
> fair)
>
>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles
> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness.
> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)
>
>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows
>off
> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford
>to
> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)

That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too
popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely.

>
>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not
> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)
>
>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)
>
>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare.
> He may even have a seven)
>
>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))

I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the
impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I
_could_ give a 5 here.

>
>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd
> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)
>
>Talents
>
>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5
>
>SKILLS
>
>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4,
>leadership
>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in
>this area I'm sure.)
>
>KNOWLEDGES
>
>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style
>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)
>
>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)

I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still
some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog etc.
They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill.
Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9 is
pretty close to 10...

>
>BACKGROUNDS
>
>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.)

And?

, Backing 4/5 (Wayne
>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei
>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be
>limited to no more than three)
>
>TECHNIQUES
>
>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block
>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)

Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck me
as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...?

>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4
>
>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20
>
>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)
>
>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate.

In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu.

>
>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.

>
>-- Chris B
>

Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the dark
knight?

Kristofer

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