I really like this idea. A monthly newsletter would be an awesome idea.

MikeM - go on vacation for a week and come back to over 140 new messages.
Wow, I was shocked. In a good way of course :)


-----Original Message-----
From: lancer1@... <lancer1@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 04, 1999 1:24 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Warrior's Pride

>I've been toying around with an idea for awhile, but I'm not sure if
>anyone would appreciate it. I was thinking of making a kind of e-mail
>newsletter for Street Fighter...each would have fighters, maneuvers,
>and miscellaneous articles...would anyone be interested? If so, let me
>know...I was thinking of calling it Warrior's Pride, though it's really
>a tentative title. Also, I might be able to do a few "issues" of it
>alone, but I don't know if I could keep that up every month, so if you
>would like to make a submission that would be great...sorry if this was
>a stupid idea and wasted everyone's time...
>
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Hey. everyone, sorry to rudely butt in here. I'm a Street Fighter ST
up in Canada and I honestly think that something like Warrior's Pride
would be a fantastic idea. You'll definitely get a lot of support from
myself and my players. Sign me up!

Chris Krug-Iron
Inrifrost@...

Hey,

I use Shadowlaw myself. Easier to pronounce and it sounds a whole lot
more imposing and insidious than Shadaloo. I was also corrupted by the
anime.

Chris Krug-Iron

In a message dated 9/9/1999 3:38:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
inrifrost@... writes:

> You'll definitely get a lot of support from
> myself and my players. Sign me up!

I don't think anyone on this list would not want to be "Signed Up" The rarity
of products and the lack of websites and player created information is pretty
shocking all in all...

Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an
excelllllent idea!!!

>Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an
>excelllllent idea!!!

Another one from my side of the Atlantic. Sweet.

One idea on WP. Why not make a directory in the vault called, say "Warrior's
Pride" and put the file there, in both .txt and .rtf format? Just a thought.
It can still be posted on the list as well, naturally.

And I'm still amazed that new people actually join this list! Damn fun!

Kristofer

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Connichiwa, everyone My name's Chris Baker and I've been a gamer for 19
years. I'm Impressed that the Streetfighter RPG still has fans! I bought it
when it first came out, and ran a three month game. It was pretty cool. When
I saw an egroup for the RPG I had to check it out! I'm a graphic designer so
maybe I'll send some of my character artwork sometime.

Is anyone here in Martial Arts?

-- Chris B


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>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride
>Date: Thu, Sep 9, 1999, 6:39 PM
>

>>Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an
>>excelllllent idea!!!
>
> Another one from my side of the Atlantic. Sweet.
>
> One idea on WP. Why not make a directory in the vault called, say "Warrior's
> Pride" and put the file there, in both .txt and .rtf format? Just a thought.
> It can still be posted on the list as well, naturally.
>
> And I'm still amazed that new people actually join this list! Damn fun!
>
> Kristofer

Connichiwa, everyone My name's Chris Baker and I've been a gamer for 19 years. I'm Impressed that the Streetfighter RPG still has fans! I bought it when it first came out, and ran a three month game. It was pretty cool. When I saw an egroup for the RPG I had to check it out! I'm a graphic designer so maybe I'll send some of my character artwork sometime. Is anyone here in Martial Arts? -- Chris B ---------- >From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride >Date: Thu, Sep 9, 1999, 6:39 PM > >>Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an >>excelllllent idea!!! > > Another one from my side of the Atlantic. Sweet. > > One idea on WP. Why not make a directory in the vault called, say "Warrior's > Pride" and put the file there, in both .txt and .rtf format? Just a thought. > It can still be posted on the list as well, naturally. > > And I'm still amazed that new people actually join this list! Damn fun! > > Kristofer

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Well I figure to start we all make normal level 1 characters
and progress upwards from there.
Experiance.. hmm thats a tough one. thers no actual story right....
But we can use the game as a basis still.

1 point automatic. - This one can still work.
1 point role-playing. - Role playing and consistency can be tied
1 point consistency. Into one.
1 point heroism. - Heroism cant really be applied.
1 point Learning curve. - This one can work easy.

So we can have up to 3 points of EXP
plus we can add 1 for entering a tournament, 1 for success
and the last one for resourcefullness. A maximum of 6 pts.

What do you think?

>From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: About a M.E.G Tournament.
>Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
>
>---Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...> wrote:
>
>Actully I like that idea. We could mak it an on going thing.
>With a starting tournament and people slowly tyring to improve their
>characters.
>We could even have a ranking system.
>New people who join would have to make Rank 1 characters.
>
>[[[Sounds like a blast, who'd run it? If it does happen, there should be
>a tag in the subject line (like [tournament] or something) so the people
>who aren't playing can killfile the messages easily. How would xp be
>handled? And finaly, what rules would be used to make characters?]]]
>
> >From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: About a M.E.G Tournament.
> >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:17:08 -0300
> >
> >
> > I sugest a Tournament for the E-groups people, a fight for e-mail
> >tournament, what anyone in the list can enter and send your fighter
> >(initial or
> >higher the people of list choice). The only problem is:Who is the crazy
>guy
> >to
> >manage this?
> >
> > But the idea is good, think about is a great fight and know who�s
>the
> >best
> >fighter, isn�t a roleplaying thing only fight. This could be called
>M.E.G.
> >Tournament or Master of E-groups Tournament, or something else but it�s
> >only a
> >idea.
>
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Thats great Dustin.
Sign me up for a copy of it.

>From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride
>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:41:50 -0500
>
>Well, I'm going to go ahead and make this for next month...if it gets a
>good
>response I'll keep it up as long as interest stays up. Personally, I'm
>going
>to have a few fighters, and a new stable along with a team, and maybe some
>extras, I don't yet know about that. I also don't know if I should just
>send
>this to people who want it, or just send it to this mailing list. What does
>everyone think? Also, if you'd like to have any rules or characters added,
>feel free to send them to me and I'll work them in. Thanks for your time.
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I think the official version now is shadoloo
not Shadowlaw.
This is a guess mind you.

>From: shadaloo@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@...
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: M. Bison's Criminal Organization
>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:56:43 -0700
>
>shadalo-@... wrote:
>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=1990
> > it's probably a translation issue from Japanese to English. I'm only
>guessing here, though.
> >
>
>Well, I think that it will depend of witch version (comic, cartoon,
>manga, film, game) you like. I prefers Shadaloo. What about you (I mean
>everyone)?
>
>VEGA
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Hel lancer... Sorry Im late but I think that sounds like a wicked idea. Id
like to help in the future if possible.

>From: lancer1@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@...
>Subject: [streetfighter] Warrior's Pride
>Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:24:11 -0700
>
>I've been toying around with an idea for awhile, but I'm not sure if
>anyone would appreciate it. I was thinking of making a kind of e-mail
>newsletter for Street Fighter...each would have fighters, maneuvers,
>and miscellaneous articles...would anyone be interested? If so, let me
>know...I was thinking of calling it Warrior's Pride, though it's really
>a tentative title. Also, I might be able to do a few "issues" of it
>alone, but I don't know if I could keep that up every month, so if you
>would like to make a submission that would be great...sorry if this was
>a stupid idea and wasted everyone's time...
>
>
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Photocopy..

Hell man. I wanna see if I can somehow get White wolf to continue
the SF RPG. Its kindof a dream of mine.

>From: "Eric Thayer" <lord_kirtan@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:47:06 PDT
>
>Now here's a question.. when does the copyright on SF expire? If it's soon
>then we can mass photocopy and augment material... ok so we already do some
>of that.. but this could be on a grander more legal scale... just a random
>thought since I have no books and get all my sources either from friends or
>the net.
>
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Gotta love this group eh Kris.
Ya Im impressed that people keep showing up to.
Its kinda what makes me hope WW restarts the RPG.

>From: "Kristofer Lundstr�m" <kri5tofer@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:39:53 CEST
>
>>Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an
>>excelllllent idea!!!
>
>Another one from my side of the Atlantic. Sweet.
>
>One idea on WP. Why not make a directory in the vault called, say
>"Warrior's
>Pride" and put the file there, in both .txt and .rtf format? Just a
>thought.
>It can still be posted on the list as well, naturally.
>
>And I'm still amazed that new people actually join this list! Damn fun!
>
> Kristofer
>
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Hey Chris welcome to the Group

Yah thers quite alot of us here. You design pics huh...
If I asked you for some pics would you be able to or do you thinkits a bad
Idea.

Theres quite a few people here that practice. The subject was brought up a
while ago.

>From: "Chris Baker" <cbaker@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com , streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:08:07 -0400
>
>
>Connichiwa, everyone My name's Chris Baker and I've been a gamer for 19
>years. I'm Impressed that the Streetfighter RPG still has fans! I bought it
>when it first came out, and ran a three month game. It was pretty cool.
>When
>I saw an egroup for the RPG I had to check it out! I'm a graphic designer
>so
>maybe I'll send some of my character artwork sometime.
>
>Is anyone here in Martial Arts?
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
> >From: "Kristofer Lundstr�m" <kri5tofer@...>
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Warrior's Pride
> >Date: Thu, Sep 9, 1999, 6:39 PM
> >
>
> >>Hi! I'm a french SFRPG Storyteller, and i do think too that's an
> >>excelllllent idea!!!
> >
> > Another one from my side of the Atlantic. Sweet.
> >
> > One idea on WP. Why not make a directory in the vault called, say
>"Warrior's
> > Pride" and put the file there, in both .txt and .rtf format? Just a
>thought.
> > It can still be posted on the list as well, naturally.
> >
> > And I'm still amazed that new people actually join this list! Damn fun!
> >
> > Kristofer
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According to the folks at WW, they wanted to, except that Capcom pulled the
liscence. As it is, the closest you'll find at the moment is their 'Kindred
of the East' line, especially the core book, Demon Hunter X, and The KotE
Companion.

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From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:17 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game

>Photocopy..
>
>Hell man. I wanna see if I can somehow get White wolf to continue
>the SF RPG. Its kindof a dream of mine.
>
>
>>From: "Eric Thayer" <lord_kirtan@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:47:06 PDT
>>
>>Now here's a question.. when does the copyright on SF expire? If it's soon
>>then we can mass photocopy and augment material... ok so we already do

some

>>of that.. but this could be on a grander more legal scale... just a random
>>thought since I have no books and get all my sources either from friends

or

>>the net.
>>
>>~Kirtan
>>
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In a message dated 9/9/99 4:43:54 AM Central Daylight Time, Bulverk@...
writes:

>
> I don't think anyone on this list would not want to be "Signed Up" The
> rarity
> of products and the lack of websites and player created information is
> pretty
> shocking all in all...

Yes, I was surprised that I could only find a handful of street fighter
rpg sites.

In a message dated 9/9/1999 11:45:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
AJSolis@... writes:

> Yes, I was surprised that I could only find a handful of street fighter
> rpg sites.

Well, I am getting a hold of the books proper (a friend got me into it
recently) I have to say I was one of those people who scoffed at the idea, I
was an angst ridden player of World of Darkness and could not fathom why
anyone would want to play a fight game... little did I realize the joys of
Anime and Streetfighter... and now it is almost too late... ::Sob sob::

Heh heh... soon as I get the book I am going to start up a streetfighter
website to blow the pants off all of those who have been playing for years
and have yet to make a great site... Muhahahaha...

BTW I still think Shadowlaw sounds better than Shadaloo...
Me

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:18:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
rpascuttini@... writes:

>
> Hell man. I wanna see if I can somehow get White wolf to continue
> the SF RPG. Its kindof a dream of mine.

Well, then Ethan Skemp is the weak link, talk to him. He has mentioned
on the werewolf list that he would be happy to write for it, and WW now has
arthaus after all.

In a message dated 9/9/99 9:29:26 PM Central Daylight Time, tyger1@...
writes:

>
> According to the folks at WW, they wanted to, except that Capcom pulled
> the
> license. As it is, the closest you'll find at the moment is their 'Kindred
> of the East' line, especially the core book, Demon Hunter X, and The KotE
> Companion.
>

Well, I only know this second hand, but according to the WW employee I
was talking to, WW just didn't think it was worth it to renew the license
(which would require sending Capcom more money after all).

In a message dated 9/10/99 12:55:30 AM Central Daylight Time, Bulverk@...
writes:

>
> Well, I am getting a hold of the books proper (a friend got me into it
> recently) I have to say I was one of those people who scoffed at the idea,

I

> was an angst ridden player of World of Darkness and could not fathom why
> anyone would want to play a fight game... little did I realize the joys of
> Anime and Streetfighter... and now it is almost too late... ::Sob sob::
>

Well my situation was rather different. I am a WW fan, true enough. I
also like h2h fighter games (although I pretty much suck at them) including
Street Fighter, and I am a rpg collector.

> Heh heh... soon as I get the book I am going to start up a Streetfighter
> website to blow the pants off all of those who have been playing for years
> and have yet to make a great site... Muhahahaha...

More power to you.

>
> BTW I still think Shadowlaw sounds better than Shadaloo...

Yes, I can see where that comes from.

Mainly because Capcom jacked the price up a rather ubsurd amount. One of the
downfalls of licensing a name to another genre. (Just ask Marvel Comics,
they have the licensing fees for their movies up so high that so many
corners have to be cut that you wind up with a lot of mediocrity that could
have been great.)

-----Original Message-----
From: AJSolis@... <AJSolis@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:08 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game

>In a message dated 9/9/99 9:29:26 PM Central Daylight Time,

tyger1@...

>writes:
>
>>
>> According to the folks at WW, they wanted to, except that Capcom pulled
>> the
>> license. As it is, the closest you'll find at the moment is their

'Kindred

>> of the East' line, especially the core book, Demon Hunter X, and The

KotE

>> Companion.
>>
> Well, I only know this second hand, but according to the WW employee I
>was talking to, WW just didn't think it was worth it to renew the license
>(which would require sending Capcom more money after all).
>
>
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Yup, the points are fine for me but I just think about the many versions of
same manuver or style and we can use the Arkon Compendium (The great file) and
styles official styles from other books and created by players, by the way I
belive in the use of ten turns of combat rule, what do you think?

Robert Pascuttini wrote:

> Well I figure to start we all make normal level 1 characters
> and progress upwards from there.
> Experiance.. hmm thats a tough one. thers no actual story right....
> But we can use the game as a basis still.
>
> 1 point automatic. - This one can still work.
> 1 point role-playing. - Role playing and consistency can be tied
> 1 point consistency. Into one.
> 1 point heroism. - Heroism cant really be applied.
> 1 point Learning curve. - This one can work easy.
>
> So we can have up to 3 points of EXP
> plus we can add 1 for entering a tournament, 1 for success
> and the last one for resourcefullness. A maximum of 6 pts.
>
> What do you think?
>
> >From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: About a M.E.G Tournament.
> >Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 07:14:43 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >---Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...> wrote:
> >
> >Actully I like that idea. We could mak it an on going thing.
> >With a starting tournament and people slowly tyring to improve their
> >characters.
> >We could even have a ranking system.
> >New people who join would have to make Rank 1 characters.
> >
> >[[[Sounds like a blast, who'd run it? If it does happen, there should be
> >a tag in the subject line (like [tournament] or something) so the people
> >who aren't playing can killfile the messages easily. How would xp be
> >handled? And finaly, what rules would be used to make characters?]]]
> >
> > >From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: About a M.E.G Tournament.
> > >Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:17:08 -0300
> > >
> > >
> > > I sugest a Tournament for the E-groups people, a fight for e-mail
> > >tournament, what anyone in the list can enter and send your fighter
> > >(initial or
> > >higher the people of list choice). The only problem is:Who is the crazy
> >guy
> > >to
> > >manage this?
> > >
> > > But the idea is good, think about is a great fight and know who´s
> >the
> > >best
> > >fighter, isn´t a roleplaying thing only fight. This could be called
> >M.E.G.
> > >Tournament or Master of E-groups Tournament, or something else but it´s
> > >only a
> > >idea.
> >
> >===
> >staredown@... staredown@...
> >http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/1062
> >
> >"We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win--we
> >merely expect them to try."
> > -- Robert Heinlein
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Mainly because Capcom jacked the price up a rather ubsurd amount. One of the downfalls of licensing a name to another genre. (Just ask Marvel Comics, they have the licensing fees for their movies up so high that so many corners have to be cut that you wind up with a lot of mediocrity that could have been great.) -----Original Message----- From: AJSolis@... <AJSolis@...> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:08 AM Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game >In a message dated 9/9/99 9:29:26 PM Central Daylight Time, tyger1@... >writes: > >> >> According to the folks at WW, they wanted to, except that Capcom pulled >> the >> license. As it is, the closest you'll find at the moment is their 'Kindred >> of the East' line, especially the core book, Demon Hunter X, and The KotE >> Companion. >> > Well, I only know this second hand, but according to the WW employee I >was talking to, WW just didn't think it was worth it to renew the license >(which would require sending Capcom more money after all). > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Don't know which one to buy? Productopia does. >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/554 > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > >

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Capcom pulled the liscence? I thought it was because capcom was asking
for too much money or something?

>From: "J.J." <tyger1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:22:48 -0700
>
>According to the folks at WW, they wanted to, except that Capcom pulled the
>liscence. As it is, the closest you'll find at the moment is their 'Kindred
>of the East' line, especially the core book, Demon Hunter X, and The KotE
>Companion.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:17 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>
>
> >Photocopy..
> >
> >Hell man. I wanna see if I can somehow get White wolf to continue
> >the SF RPG. Its kindof a dream of mine.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Eric Thayer" <lord_kirtan@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
> >>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 21:47:06 PDT
> >>
> >>Now here's a question.. when does the copyright on SF expire? If it's
>soon
> >>then we can mass photocopy and augment material... ok so we already do
>some
> >>of that.. but this could be on a grander more legal scale... just a
>random
> >>thought since I have no books and get all my sources either from friends
>or
> >>the net.
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>> >>Now here's a question.. when does the copyright on SF expire? If it's
>>soon
>> >>then we can mass photocopy and augment material... ok so we already do
>>some
>> >>of that.. but this could be on a grander more legal scale... just a
>>random
>> >>thought since I have no books and get all my sources either from
>>friends
>>or
>> >>the net.

Well, once a product is no longer in production, & it is reasonable to
assume that one cannot but it through normal means, then it is leagle to
photocopy it.

DarkLight

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Ok....I dont know know about the states and other countries, but in Canada
its 8 years or so. In production or not I beleive.

>From: "Dark Light" <dl_bryant@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:59:57 GMT
>
>
>>> >>Now here's a question.. when does the copyright on SF expire? If it's
>>>soon
>>> >>then we can mass photocopy and augment material... ok so we already do
>>>some
>>> >>of that.. but this could be on a grander more legal scale... just a
>>>random
>>> >>thought since I have no books and get all my sources either from
>>>friends
>>>or
>>> >>the net.
>
>Well, once a product is no longer in production, & it is reasonable to
>assume that one cannot but it through normal means, then it is leagle to
>photocopy it.
>
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Well, sine my wife is a writer, I will have to say something.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Copywrites and Trademarks remain in effect until the entity (be it a person
or buisness) ceases to exist to renew them, or until they feel that the need
to renew them is no longer there. (Mickey Mouse is going to be up for grabs
sometime in the single diget 2000's I beleive, as Walt Disney himself held
his Trademark. Other Disney characters may be held indefinately, as the Walt
Disney Corp was the 'creator.')

The information on the specifics shouldn't be hard to find, but in the case
of SF:tSG, both the Copywrite and the Trademark are still completely in
force.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dark Light <dl_bryant@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:14 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game

>>
>Well, once a product is no longer in production, & it is reasonable to
>assume that one cannot but it through normal means, then it is leagle to
>photocopy it.
>
>DarkLight
>

>Well, sine my wife is a writer, I will have to say something.
>
>ABSOLUTELY NOT!
>
>Copywrites and Trademarks remain in effect until the entity (be it a
>person
>or buisness) ceases to exist to renew them, or until they feel that the
>need
>to renew them is no longer there. (Mickey Mouse is going to be up for grabs
>sometime in the single diget 2000's I beleive, as Walt Disney himself held
>his Trademark. Other Disney characters may be held indefinately, as the
>Walt
>Disney Corp was the 'creator.')
>
>The information on the specifics shouldn't be hard to find, but in the case
>of SF:tSG, both the Copywrite and the Trademark are still completely in
>force.

well, since I took Law for two years, & studied Copyright, as I said, if you
can not reasonablely aquire a product(since Streetfighter is out of print &
you can't really buy it anywhere, it counts), then it is perfectly leagle to
photocopy it for personal use.

DarkLight

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In a message dated 9/15/1999 5:48:17 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
dl_bryant@... writes:

> well, since I took Law for two years, & studied Copyright, as I said, if

you

> can not reasonablely aquire a product(since Streetfighter is out of print

&

> you can't really buy it anywhere, it counts), then it is perfectly leagle

to

>
> photocopy it for personal use.
>
> DarkLight

So who wants the fame of being the first fan to put the entire book online?

I cant really dispute if we can photocopy this or not.
and Im not going to argue someone who has studied law vs someone's
wife's experiance.
but It can be easily figured out if we look in a book or ask WhiteWolf our
selves.

>From: "Dark Light" <dl_bryant@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:40:38 GMT
>
>
>
>
>>Well, sine my wife is a writer, I will have to say something.
>>
>>ABSOLUTELY NOT!
>>
>>Copywrites and Trademarks remain in effect until the entity (be it a
>>person
>>or buisness) ceases to exist to renew them, or until they feel that the
>>need
>>to renew them is no longer there. (Mickey Mouse is going to be up for
>>grabs
>>sometime in the single diget 2000's I beleive, as Walt Disney himself held
>>his Trademark. Other Disney characters may be held indefinately, as the
>>Walt
>>Disney Corp was the 'creator.')
>>
>>The information on the specifics shouldn't be hard to find, but in the
>>case
>>of SF:tSG, both the Copywrite and the Trademark are still completely in
>>force.
>
>well, since I took Law for two years, & studied Copyright, as I said, if
>you
>can not reasonablely aquire a product(since Streetfighter is out of print &
>you can't really buy it anywhere, it counts), then it is perfectly leagle
>to
>photocopy it for personal use.
>
>DarkLight
>
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Alright. Since it is in dispute, I'll use 'The Copyright Handbook; How to
Protect and Use Written Works', written by Attorney Stephen Fishman.

Chapter 2 / Page 4 - Fair Use (The following is quoted)

To foster the advancement of the arts and sciences, there must be a free
flow of information and ideas. If no one could quote from a protected work
without the author's permission (which could be withheld or given only upon
payment of a permission fee), the free flow of ideas would be stopped dead.
To avoid this, a special fair use exception to author's copyright rights was
created. An author is free to copy from a protected work for purposes such
as criticism, news reporting, teaching or research, so long as the value of
the copyrighted work is not diminished.

(endquote)

In this instance, despite the fact that the work is out of print, it does
still have value in the form of possible (if highly unlikely) re-release.
Additional value can be found in the fact that a large portion of the
material is directly a part of the yet active Storyteller system found in
the World of Darkness/Trinity systems used by White Wolf Gaming Systems.
Most notably, the system has nearly been entirely re-introduced via WoD
Combat.

As a result, copying and distributing many sections of the work do indeed
devalue the work, and as such, fall under this.

(Notation, I was wrong about corporate copywrites. Works published that are
owned by by buisness entites are protected for 75 years from the date of
publication, or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever comes first.
For individual authors, it is the author's lifetime + 50 years. Chapter 2 /
page 5 of the above.)

White Wolf allows the representing of a certain amount of its works, see the
Dark Spiral links for more details on their website, they allow so many words
from a book.. which means while its still copyrighted by the forementioned
letter it still can be reproduced to a certain degree....

I'm sorry if I seem like a prick for this, but copywrite & Trademark
infringement has hurt some people pretty badly. The word limit from any
single book 1500 words. (10,000 from multiple books). Each (half page) line
is about 10 words. That's about 150 lines of text. That might be a single
page of text. This is a very generous amount.

Quoted from http://www.white-wolf.com/WebPermissions.html

As a side note, use your brain here! You cannot repost entire books or
enough infomation to run games.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bulverk@... <Bulverk@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 1:51 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Photocopying.

>White Wolf allows the representing of a certain amount of its works, see

the

>Dark Spiral links for more details on their website, they allow so many

words

>from a book.. which means while its still copyrighted by the forementioned
>letter it still can be reproduced to a certain degree....
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In a message dated 9/15/1999 3:42:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
tyger1@... writes:

> I'm sorry if I seem like a prick for this, but copywrite & Trademark
> infringement has hurt some people pretty badly. The word limit from any
> single book 1500 words. (10,000 from multiple books). Each (half page) line
> is about 10 words. That's about 150 lines of text. That might be a single
> page of text. This is a very generous amount.
>
> Quoted from http://www.white-wolf.com/WebPermissions.html
>
> As a side note, use your brain here! You cannot repost entire books or
> enough infomation to run games.

A) This is just what one person can post, several people could post a certain
amount of materials each.

B) Paraphrasing makes things much simpler to understand, and while White Wolf
had to fill a book up, your goal is to get as much information you can into a
lot less space.

C) Since the works are out of print you might find more lax views as to what
is being posted or shared

D) Only the differences between standard Storyteller System rule and the
Streetfighter System rules would need to be posted.

Any combination of the above would be adequate for most people, who are
unfortunate enough to get a copy of the game (I however have not only been
contacted by a couple people and am getting 2 more copies of the main book
while getting a copy of contenders and two players handbooks, but also the
local store caries the streetfighter screen and a couple copies of warrior. I
am in essence buying what is left.. and this is an ongoing search, not an end
all be all.

I will look into the above matters more in depth, and see what White Wolf's
view's are directly concerning this, as it is not a matter of Dark Spiral,
and it is subject to Capcom's views as well as White Wolf's the licensing is
up and this is a breach of this. Letters will have to be written and
permission asked for. But I really see no reason why either side would reject
this. It furthers both of their works... and no money is to be made off this.

>I'm sorry if I seem like a prick for this, but copywrite & Trademark
>infringement has hurt some people pretty badly. The word limit from any
>single book 1500 words. (10,000 from multiple books). Each (half page) line
>is about 10 words. That's about 150 lines of text. That might be a single
>page of text. This is a very generous amount.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, as a Musician, I totaly respect coppywrites, but I
DO have a photocopyied version of the players guide, & the styles from
contenders, but only because those books were not realeased in New Zealand,
& if the oppotunity arose, even though I have the material, I would buy
these books in an instant.

DarkLight

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From last letter I did some reasearch as well and found the following.
This is simply in addition to what J.J wrote.

Copyright law gives you the right to make and distribute copies of
your written works, the right to prepare derivative works(Any work based on
the original) and the right to preform or publicly display your work.
With very few exceptions, anything you write today will enjoy copyright
protection for your lifetime plus 50 years.
Copyright protects "original works of authorship"
that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. Titles, ideas and facts can
not be copyrighted.

Writers Market 1999

For more info you can call the Copyright office in the U.S.

(202)707-3000
(202)707-5959

Ok the Canadian Version is practically the same with the exception of fair
use. We have something a little more restricting but I cant remember what
its called.

Copyright Law
Copyright protection is automatic, upon the creation of a work(i.e)
once the work is in some sort of tangible form.
and the protection lasts for fifty years after the creators death.

A copyright owner has the sole and exclusive right to produce or reproduce
the work or any substantial part thereof in any material form whatever.

>From: "J.J." <tyger1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Photocopying.
>Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:39:00 -0700
>
>Alright. Since it is in dispute, I'll use 'The Copyright Handbook; How to
>Protect and Use Written Works', written by Attorney Stephen Fishman.
>
>Chapter 2 / Page 4 - Fair Use (The following is quoted)
>
>To foster the advancement of the arts and sciences, there must be a free
>flow of information and ideas. If no one could quote from a protected work
>without the author's permission (which could be withheld or given only upon
>payment of a permission fee), the free flow of ideas would be stopped dead.
>To avoid this, a special fair use exception to author's copyright rights
>was
>created. An author is free to copy from a protected work for purposes such
>as criticism, news reporting, teaching or research, so long as the value of
>the copyrighted work is not diminished.
>
>(endquote)
>
>In this instance, despite the fact that the work is out of print, it does
>still have value in the form of possible (if highly unlikely) re-release.
>Additional value can be found in the fact that a large portion of the
>material is directly a part of the yet active Storyteller system found in
>the World of Darkness/Trinity systems used by White Wolf Gaming Systems.
>Most notably, the system has nearly been entirely re-introduced via WoD
>Combat.
>
>As a result, copying and distributing many sections of the work do indeed
>devalue the work, and as such, fall under this.
>
>(Notation, I was wrong about corporate copywrites. Works published that are
>owned by by buisness entites are protected for 75 years from the date of
>publication, or 100 years from the date of creation, whichever comes first.
>For individual authors, it is the author's lifetime + 50 years. Chapter 2 /
>page 5 of the above.)
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Hi

>A) This is just what one person can post, several people could post a
>certain
>amount of materials each.

No im sorry that cant be done. I was thinking the same thing my self
until I came to one line in the copyright book. This is not exact but...If
the ideal of a copyright is at stake then it is considered
an infringment.
That is almost equivelant to a person taking one grape to sample.
and other people doing the same.

>B) Paraphrasing makes things much simpler to understand, and while White
>Wolf
>had to fill a book up, your goal is to get as much information you can into
>a
>lot less space.

>C) Since the works are out of print you might find more lax views as to
>what
>is being posted or shared

That would be a matter up to the copyrighter not your opinion.

>D) Only the differences between standard Storyteller System rule and the
>Streetfighter System rules would need to be posted.
>

In other words youll be copying the material that makes street fighter what
it is. What makes it diffrent from WoD.
Still sounds like copyright infringment to me.

>
>I will look into the above matters more in depth, and see what White Wolf's
>view's are directly concerning this, as it is not a matter of Dark Spiral,
>and it is subject to Capcom's views as well as White Wolf's the licensing
>is
>up and this is a breach of this. Letters will have to be written and
>permission asked for. But I really see no reason why either side would
>reject
>this. It furthers both of their works... and no money is to be made off
>this.
>

That would be the best approach.

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In a similar but unrelated note, I am looking for a photocopy. Acctually a
Scan that could be sent over E-mail of Vega's Arean in the SoSL Book. They
do say it's ok to Photocopy hex maps (And stat sheet's etc.) in the Original
book. My Secrets' of shadoloo book is far to dog-eared by this point, and
the map has been lost. If anyone would be able to scan Vega's arean (and the
Bull pasture on the reverse) I would be forever in your Debt.
Thanx a Ton!
Andy.

ADDENDUM.... My Email is dlatrex@...

=P

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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:27 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Photocopying...........ALmost.


> In a similar but unrelated note, I am looking for a photocopy. Acctually a
> Scan that could be sent over E-mail of Vega's Arean in the SoSL Book. They
> do say it's ok to Photocopy hex maps (And stat sheet's etc.) in the
Original
> book. My Secrets' of shadoloo book is far to dog-eared by this point, and
> the map has been lost. If anyone would be able to scan Vega's arean (and
the
> Bull pasture on the reverse) I would be forever in your Debt.
> Thanx a Ton!
> Andy.
>
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I cant really dispute if we can photocopy this or not. and Im not going to argue someone who has studied law vs someone's wife's experiance. but It can be easily figured out if we look in a book or ask WhiteWolf our selves. >From: "Dark Light" <dl_bryant@...> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com >To: streetfighter@egroups.com >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Looking For The Game >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:40:38 GMT > > > > >>Well, sine my wife is a writer, I will have to say something. >> >>ABSOLUTELY NOT! >> >>Copywrites and Trademarks remain in effect until the entity (be it a >>person >>or buisness) ceases to exist to renew them, or until they feel that the >>need >>to renew them is no longer there. (Mickey Mouse is going to be up for >>grabs >>sometime in the single diget 2000's I beleive, as Walt Disney himself held >>his Trademark. Other Disney characters may be held indefinately, as the >>Walt >>Disney Corp was the 'creator.') >> >>The information on the specifics shouldn't be hard to find, but in the >>case >>of SF:tSG, both the Copywrite and the Trademark are still completely in >>force. > >well, since I took Law for two years, & studied Copyright, as I said, if >you >can not reasonablely aquire a product(since Streetfighter is out of print & >you can't really buy it anywhere, it counts), then it is perfectly leagle >to >photocopy it for personal use. > >DarkLight > >______________________________________________________ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MyPoints-Free Rewards When You're Online. >Start with up to 150 Points for joining! >http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/805 > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > ______________________________________________________

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In a message dated 9/17/1999 5:32:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
skarsten@... writes:

> I asked the ST:stg authors' advice on what I should and shouldn't post on

my

> web site way back when. Steve Weick's response was thus;
>
> "Go ahead and post whatever you want, within reason. If we have a problem
> with it, we'll ask you to take it down."
>
> Take that as you will. I'd consider the entire sourcebook to be grounds

for

> them to "ask".

Okay... so no one is gonna copy it or post it or anything it... at least not
till someone else does... lets see... lots of anonymous webhosting sites...
most they can do is delete if off the web. Gee they better be glad we all
have morals or something. I mean an out of print book making the rounds for
free while simutainiously provoking ideas to play Streetfighter and World of
Darkness... all hell would break loose than.

In a message dated 9/17/1999 5:32:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time, skarsten@... writes: > I asked the ST:stg authors' advice on what I should and shouldn't post on my > web site way back when. Steve Weick's response was thus; > > "Go ahead and post whatever you want, within reason. If we have a problem > with it, we'll ask you to take it down." > > Take that as you will. I'd consider the entire sourcebook to be grounds for > them to "ask". Okay... so no one is gonna copy it or post it or anything it... at least not till someone else does... lets see... lots of anonymous webhosting sites... most they can do is delete if off the web. Gee they better be glad we all have morals or something. I mean an out of print book making the rounds for free while simutainiously provoking ideas to play Streetfighter and World of Darkness... all hell would break loose than.

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I just picked up the "Bygone Bestiary" from White Wolf. In addition to a
large portion of the book having stats for all kinds of magical and mythical
monsters, it includes a section for making custom monster player characters.
Although it's for WoD, it can be easily adapted to Street Fighter.
_________________________________________________
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Web Developer - National Committee for Quality Assurance
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In a message dated 9/17/99 2:33:41 PM Central Daylight Time, conkle@...
writes:

>
> I just picked up the "Bygone Bestiary" from White Wolf. In addition to a
> large portion of the book having stats for all kinds of magical and mythical
> monsters, it includes a section for making custom monster player characters.
> Although it's for WoD, it can be easily adapted to Street Fighter.

Well, there is a dragon street fighter in contenders.

Hi.

No need to be sore.
Well I dont know if anyone is not going to or not. If a person wants to do
something they usually will.
Anyways thats one way to look at it. Others might see it a different way.

>Okay... so no one is gonna copy it or post it or anything it... at least
>not
>till someone else does... lets see... lots of anonymous webhosting sites...
>most they can do is delete if off the web. Gee they better be glad we all
>have morals or something. I mean an out of print book making the rounds for
>free while simutainiously provoking ideas to play Streetfighter and World
>of
>Darkness... all hell would break loose than.
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i want out

Ditto!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Kidvark@... [SMTP:Kidvark@...]
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:39 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] i want out

i want out

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-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarsten@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 5:44 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] ACK! - Fighter Maker doesn't work with high-capacity mem cards!

just a warning to all you would-be fighter constructors out there; Fighter Maker does not work with multi-page memory cards like the Mad Cat 12X.  I just discovered this the hard way - the data gets corrupted if you switch pages.  Dammit.  At least I didn't lose much more than a few "experiments". :p

 

oh well.  back to EBX for more cards, I guess.

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