> That movie was great..in my humble opionin anyway! I thought it

>

> --- In streetfighter@y..., "Michael Deslongchamps" <mjdeslon@u...>
> wrote:
> > That movie was great..in my humble opionin anyway! I thought it
> captured the essence of the spiderman character without completly
> trashing the story or the character...good marvel movie!
> >
>
> Why can't ther be movies made of the comics I read. A Sandman flick
> would rock hard, as would a Why I Hate Saturn movie starring
> Christina Appplegate and Jannene Garofallo. That would be sweet.

> You don't read From Hell? You don't read The League of

> Gentlemen? You don't read Ghost World? Hell, I was just

> that there making movies of the books I read'.

> Excellent film. One of the best cinematic
> translations ever. Willem Dafoe = Da' Man!
> <not to mention the great cameo's by Campbell and
> Randy Savage.>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Deslongchamps
> To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] The sound...of
> silence
>
>
> That movie was great..in my humble opionin anyway!
> I thought it captured the essence of the spiderman
> character without completly trashing the story or
> the character...good marvel movie!
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J. Scott Pittman
> To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] The sound...of
> silence
>
>
> Most of us went to see Spiderman, I am sure...
>
> J. Scott Pittman
> www.dragonslayergames.com
> Look to Dragonslayer Games for character
> sketches, the EPICS rpg, and more!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The King of Chickens 2001
> To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:05 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] The sound...of
> silence
>
>
> Hmmm....it's quiet, no email from SF groups,
> and it's a weekend. It can only mean one
> thing.....Either I have somehow been accidentially
> been removed from the mailing list, or everyone's
> too (well, so am I). I hope it isn't the former.
>
> I have partially fixed my yahoo account, now I
> have reset the 'junk mail' settings, and can change
> my password. But the bloody thing still wants me to
> confirm my email addys, and refuses to send me the
> confirmation code.....it's been hours and I haven't
> received it yet. I have NOT blocked anything except
> junk mail. But meanwhile, I cannot access the
> yahoogroups files itself, and Yahoo still thinks I'm
> not part of the mailing list.
>
> Alright....who's the systems admin there? I
> want to give him a piece of my mind.
>
>
>
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> --- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> > You don't read From Hell? You don't read The League of
> Extraordinary
> > Gentlemen? You don't read Ghost World? Hell, I was just
> thinking 'how awesome
> > that there making movies of the books I read'.
> There's a League of Extraodinary Gentlemen movie? Is it recent? Who
> is in it?

> BTW-Forgot Ghost World since it didn't play in my area.

>
> I don't skate myself(but I do play Tony Hawks Pro Skater, & used to watch a
> lot of skating stuff), but I think it would be a cool secondary skill or
> something.
>

You know what would make a great movie from a booke is conan yeah...they could make one call conan the destroyer, and conan the conquer, and maybe put him in a crossover movie with like a female conan.

Oh by the way I object america does not make cheap krap as far as movies go it makes "100% Grade A All Ameraican Krap(explotive substituted)"(george carlin)

-Chad Phillips

>
> >
> > I don't skate myself(but I do play Tony Hawks Pro Skater, & used to watch a
>
> > lot of skating stuff), but I think it would be a cool secondary skill or
> > something.

> Totally changing the subject, but still talking of weird people and
> their weird uses for skills, has anyone here taken a look at
> Exalted, WW's fantasy RPG ? Their skill-related charms is the
> kind of thing that i think could give a new twist to d term "special
> maneuver"

> Cool game all around. And wouldn't skateboarding count as a
> specialization of Athletics ? At least i think it would, in other
> storyteller games, but that's just me guessing...

> I'm looking for a little feedback on a few merits and flaws that

> night. I'm really looking for play balance issues and loopholes,

> interested in readability (especially for the Ka-Tet merit), so

> point out any little flaw you can find...

>From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Some merits and flaws.
>Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:37:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I'm looking for a little feedback on a few merits and flaws that came to me
>one
>night. I'm really looking for play balance issues and loopholes, but I'm
>also
>interested in readability (especially for the Ka-Tet merit), so feel free
>to
>point out any little flaw you can find...

> Are merits and flaws that important?

> Fighter without them for years and have gotten few complaints.
> Backgrounds do most of the work of merits with the bonus of being
> scalable.

> personally some of the ideas sound good but also like the other guy said, do
> you really need, them and the team one ka tet merit is a bit powerful, great
> idea and i like it but what qualifies how long they have been fighting
> together and such, and in game or out of game?

> overall, but maybe a touch too powerful, for example, if they know what they
> are, going to do, why talk about it?

> I don't see the need for the Eye for Tactics merit. If someone is
> good at figuring out strengths and weaknesses, why not just represent
> that with a higher Perception or Insight?

> No comment on the team-based merits and flaws, as I'm not very
> familiar with team-based fighting.

----- Original Message -----
From: "extrabastardformula" <didi_mau@...>
To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:15 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Some merits and flaws.


> --- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> > I'm looking for a little feedback on a few merits and flaws that
> came to me one
> > night. I'm really looking for play balance issues and loopholes,
> but I'm also
> > interested in readability (especially for the Ka-Tet merit), so
> feel free to
> > point out any little flaw you can find...
>
> Are merits and flaws that important? I've been playing Street
> Fighter without them for years and have gotten few complaints.
> Backgrounds do most of the work of merits with the bonus of being
> scalable.
>

Important? No, not really. Even many WoD games completely do away with them.
However, I will say that some backgrounds should be under the Merits and
Flaws system, and some Merits and Flaws should be left at backgrounds.

For the first, we can take 'Animal Hybrid'. A Background considered almost
obscene in how much it adds to a character. Compare it to the various animal
traits for purchase in the book Ascension's Right Hand or Bygone Bestiary.
(Night Sight, Claws, Wings, etc. All costing something relative to their
usefullness... usually.)

For the latter, things like Judicial Ties and Mansion should have just been
left at Allies and Resources.

The Mage book, Guide to Traditions introduced an interesting new bit.
Adversarial Backgrounds. Basically, inverted forms of the main backgrounds
that give the character more Freebies. Instead of 'Resources', the character
gets 'Debt'. Got a good amount of 'Allies'? Here's some 'Enemy' to go along
with it.

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J.J." <tyger1@f...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "extrabastardformula" <didi_mau@h...>
> To: <streetfighter@y...>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:15 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Some merits and flaws.
>
>
> > --- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> > > I'm looking for a little feedback on a few merits and flaws that
> > came to me one
> > > night. I'm really looking for play balance issues and loopholes,
> > but I'm also
> > > interested in readability (especially for the Ka-Tet merit), so
> > feel free to
> > > point out any little flaw you can find...
> >
> > Are merits and flaws that important? I've been playing Street
> > Fighter without them for years and have gotten few complaints.
> > Backgrounds do most of the work of merits with the bonus of being
> > scalable.
> >
>
> Important? No, not really. Even many WoD games completely do away
with them.
> However, I will say that some backgrounds should be under the Merits and
> Flaws system, and some Merits and Flaws should be left at backgrounds.
>
> For the first, we can take 'Animal Hybrid'. A Background considered
almost
> obscene in how much it adds to a character. Compare it to the
various animal
> traits for purchase in the book Ascension's Right Hand or Bygone
Bestiary.
> (Night Sight, Claws, Wings, etc. All costing something relative to their
> usefullness... usually.)
>
> For the latter, things like Judicial Ties and Mansion should have
just been
> left at Allies and Resources.
>
> The Mage book, Guide to Traditions introduced an interesting new bit.
> Adversarial Backgrounds. Basically, inverted forms of the main
backgrounds
> that give the character more Freebies. Instead of 'Resources', the
character
> gets 'Debt'. Got a good amount of 'Allies'? Here's some 'Enemy' to
go along
> with it.

> --- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...>

> > I'm looking for a little feedback on a few merits and flaws that
> came to me one
> > night. I'm really looking for play balance issues and

> but I'm also
> > interested in readability (especially for the Ka-Tet merit), so
> feel free to
> > point out any little flaw you can find...
>
> Are merits and flaws that important? I've been playing Street
> Fighter without them for years and have gotten few complaints.
> Backgrounds do most of the work of merits with the bonus of

> scalable.

> Important? No, not really. Even many WoD games completely do away with them.
> However, I will say that some backgrounds should be under the Merits and
> Flaws system, and some Merits and Flaws should be left at backgrounds.
>
> For the first, we can take 'Animal Hybrid'. A Background considered almost
> obscene in how much it adds to a character. Compare it to the various animal
> traits for purchase in the book Ascension's Right Hand or Bygone Bestiary.
> (Night Sight, Claws, Wings, etc. All costing something relative to their
> usefullness... usually.)

> For the latter, things like Judicial Ties and Mansion should have just been
> left at Allies and Resources.

> The Mage book, Guide to Traditions introduced an interesting new bit.
> Adversarial Backgrounds. Basically, inverted forms of the main backgrounds
> that give the character more Freebies. Instead of 'Resources', the character
> gets 'Debt'. Got a good amount of 'Allies'? Here's some 'Enemy' to go along
> with it.

> Okay..
>
> I like having the mansion Merit, because that way you could have
> inherited a mansion without having money. This is not possible with
> resources.

> Enemy and debt's and such as bakgrounds are great ideas. Just look at
> Adventure! The enemy BG is called Nemesis there though.
> But on the other hand. If you already include merits and flaws into
> your system. Why move enemy to backgrounds, as the enemy flaw already
> have a cost of FB's from 1-5.

> It could be a great idea if you're NOT having merits and flaws in your
> system, but hey! That's just my opinion.

> I liked the Ka-tet merit. Not unbalancing at all. It doesn't actually
> give the team all powerful advantage, it just gives them a sense of
> where each other are. It doesn't exactly make the team capable of
> blasting a whole through the earth, if you get my meaning ^_^

> The rest were great. I will include most of them(or maybe all) into
> the online SF campiagn, Ultimate Warrior.

> I've never been a big friend of the whole mertis and flaws system
> most WW games use, because most players tend to abuse
> them. Moreso as you can only buy those at character creation -
> and everything you cannot buy later in the course of the game is
> better than anything else.

> Some things should not be scaleable (at least not to the degree that
> backgrounds are). Huge Size comes to mind.
>
> Also with only a background system, you don't get an opportunity to

> myoptic fighter pilot :)

> Flaws could be given as negative backgrounds. Myopic could easily be
> one dot in Dull Senses.
> TeeHee

> --- extrabastardformula <didi_mau@h...> wrote:
>
> > Flaws could be given as negative backgrounds. Myopic could

> > one dot in Dull Senses.
> > TeeHee
>
> extrabastardformula
>
> TeeHee
>
> extrabastardformula
>
> TeeHee
>
> I don't know about you, but something seems off to me here...

> --- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> > --- extrabastardformula <didi_mau@h...> wrote:
> >
> > > Flaws could be given as negative backgrounds. Myopic could
> easily be
> > > one dot in Dull Senses.
> > > TeeHee
> >
> > extrabastardformula
> >
> > TeeHee
> >
> > extrabastardformula
> >
> > TeeHee
> >
> > I don't know about you, but something seems off to me here...
> TeeHee is just the miming of gigling. extrabastardformula is the
> handle. I've got no sig so some people think of the last line as
> automatically being my handle. I'll try to fix that.

--- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> --- chuangbao <Greywolf@t...> wrote:
> > I've never been a big friend of the whole mertis and flaws system
> > most WW games use, because most players tend to abuse
> > them. Moreso as you can only buy those at character creation -
> > and everything you cannot buy later in the course of the game is
> > better than anything else.
>
> Trust me friend, _anything_ can be abused. Even the core ten
backgrounds can
> be abused. My first SF:STG session I let someone take Bill Gates as
a level
> five ally.
>
> You have a valid point about the ability to get more merits and get
out of
> flaws, and I have yet to come up with a satisfactory system for
doing so.
> Especially since some merits and flaws are easily acquirable during
game (like
> Ka-Tet and Enemy, though it should take years of play to get Ka-Tet)
>
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> Oh, I understood that fine. What I couldn't wrap my brain around

> picture of someone named extrabastardformula giggling like a school

>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Hoffmann" <staredown@...>
To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Some merits and flaws.


> --- galin_ra <randerssen@...> wrote:
> > Okay..

> Well, I make my players define their backgrounds, so they could have a
Mansion
> and have to Street Fight to get the cash to maintain/repair it, but you're
> right that there is no rules mechanic for that in most games besides M&F.

Well, keep in mind that 'resources' refers to all assets, that ~when sold~
match up to a particular sum. IE, the Enron guys who are claiming bankrupcy
would still have ungodly resources because of the multi-million dollar
estates (that can't be touched by collection agencies because of bankrupcy
laws)

> I am thinking about starting an online battletech campaign...if i can get
> enough people I will start it...it will be a large scale trying to conquer
> the planet(solar system?) type thing let me know

--- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> --- Michael Deslongchamps <mjdeslon@u...> wrote:
> > I am thinking about starting an online battletech campaign...if i can get
> > enough people I will start it...it will be a large scale trying to conquer
> > the planet(solar system?) type thing let me know
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love Battletech. It's the only war game I don't play on
> my computer. But what exactly does this have to do with Street Fighter?
>
> =====
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>
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> --we merely expect them to try."
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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Hoffmann

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:33 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Hey just trying to get some input...

--- Michael Deslongchamps <mjdeslon@...> wrote:
> I am thinking about starting an online battletech campaign...if i can get
> enough people I will start it...it will be a large scale trying to conquer
> the planet(solar system?) type thing let me know

Don't get me wrong, I love Battletech.  It's the only war game I don't play on
my computer.  But what exactly does this have to do with Street Fighter?

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> I posted this on several forums...trying to get feedback..sorry to

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hoffmann
> To: streetfighter@y...
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Hey just trying to get some input...
>
>
> --- Michael Deslongchamps <mjdeslon@u...> wrote:
> > I am thinking about starting an online battletech campaign...if

> > enough people I will start it...it will be a large scale trying

> > the planet(solar system?) type thing let me know
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love Battletech. It's the only war game I

> my computer. But what exactly does this have to do with Street

>
> =====
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>
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> --we merely expect them to try."
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> Hey, I'm interested if you have a specific forum group you can direct
> me to.

----- Original Message -----

From: thehgw

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 11:00 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] In memorium

Betty Jean Ross passed away today at the age of 70.  She had four
children and 13 grand children, one of which was me.  She was the
reason I loved games so much, she taught me to love the roll of the
dice, the draw of the card.  Without her influence I would have
never gotten into the world of gaming.  There would be no Kraygar
the Grim, Lord Brahmus and my Chaos Dwarf Hordes would not be
conquering all.  Without her encouragement I would have never
written my games, the Halo World Codex would still be a neat idea
instead of a reality, and my bizarre fascination with gnomes would
have never prosperred.  In addition, part of me died today as well.



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----- Original Message -----

From: thehgw

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 10:00 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] In memorium

Betty Jean Ross passed away today at the age of 70.  She had four
children and 13 grand children, one of which was me.  She was the
reason I loved games so much, she taught me to love the roll of the
dice, the draw of the card.  Without her influence I would have
never gotten into the world of gaming.  There would be no Kraygar
the Grim, Lord Brahmus and my Chaos Dwarf Hordes would not be
conquering all.  Without her encouragement I would have never
written my games, the Halo World Codex would still be a neat idea
instead of a reality, and my bizarre fascination with gnomes would
have never prosperred.  In addition, part of me died today as well.



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--- In streetfighter@y..., "thehgw" <TheGlen@m...> wrote:
> Betty Jean Ross passed away today at the age of 70. She had four
> children and 13 grand children, one of which was me. She was the
> reason I loved games so much, she taught me to love the roll of the
> dice, the draw of the card. Without her influence I would have
> never gotten into the world of gaming. There would be no Kraygar
> the Grim, Lord Brahmus and my Chaos Dwarf Hordes would not be
> conquering all. Without her encouragement I would have never
> written my games, the Halo World Codex would still be a neat idea
> instead of a reality, and my bizarre fascination with gnomes would
> have never prosperred. In addition, part of me died today as well.

>From: "thehgw" <TheGlen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] In memorium
>Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 03:00:20 -0000
>
>Betty Jean Ross passed away today at the age of 70. She had four
>children and 13 grand children, one of which was me. She was the
>reason I loved games so much, she taught me to love the roll of the
>dice, the draw of the card. Without her influence I would have
>never gotten into the world of gaming. There would be no Kraygar
>the Grim, Lord Brahmus and my Chaos Dwarf Hordes would not be
>conquering all. Without her encouragement I would have never
>written my games, the Halo World Codex would still be a neat idea
>instead of a reality, and my bizarre fascination with gnomes would
>have never prosperred. In addition, part of me died today as well.
>

--- In streetfighter@y..., "thehgw" <TheGlen@m...> wrote:
> Betty Jean Ross passed away today at the age of 70. She had
four
> children and 13 grand children, one of which was me. She
was the
> reason I loved games so much, she taught me to love the roll
of the
> dice, the draw of the card. Without her influence I would have
> never gotten into the world of gaming. There would be no
Kraygar
> the Grim, Lord Brahmus and my Chaos Dwarf Hordes would
not be
> conquering all. Without her encouragement I would have never
> written my games, the Halo World Codex would still be a neat
idea
> instead of a reality, and my bizarre fascination with gnomes
would
> have never prosperred. In addition, part of me died today as
well.

--- In streetfighter@y..., "galin_ra" <randerssen@h...> wrote:
> What happens if you ever get a Speed=0 or a minus in speed?
>
> Are you just last in the round, or do you have to wait for the next
> turn before you can attack??
>
> Any opinions??
>
> -----Ronin-----

--- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <ringthief@c...> wrote:
> my rulings (4 my game):
>
> lowest possible move: 0 (cuz moving backwards for negatives
> is stupid)
>
> lowest possible damage: 1 (says in the book)
>
> lowest possible speed: none (speed is only used for "greater-
> than", "less-than", "equal-to" comparison, so theres no reason
> that cannot go into the negatives. 2 ppl may both be i the
> negatives so you would need to look that far to see whos
> faster.)
>
>
> an interesting house rule i just thought of though would be to
> have the lowest speed be 0 and apply any negative speed to
> next turn. any thoughts on that?
>
> example: speed -1. you act on speed 0 and are at -1 speed
> next turn.

That way you could accumulate Speed penalties way to fast
(especially when you got a low Dex to start with)!
Think of all those low Speed Grabs – one botch and you won't
see positive speeds any time soon ...

>
> Matt

Roland

--- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <ringthief@c...> wrote:
> my rulings (4 my game):
>
> lowest possible move: 0 (cuz moving backwards for negatives is stupid)
>
> lowest possible damage: 1 (says in the book)
>
> lowest possible speed: none (speed is only used for "greater-
> than", "less-than", "equal-to" comparison, so theres no reason that
> cannot go into the negatives. 2 ppl may both be i the negatives so
> you would need to look that far to see whos faster.)
>
>
> an interesting house rule i just thought of though would be to have
> the lowest speed be 0 and apply any negative speed to next turn.
> any thoughts on that?
>
> example: speed -1. you act on speed 0 and are at -1 speed next turn.
>
> Matt
>
> --- In streetfighter@y..., "galin_ra" <randerssen@h...> wrote:
> > What happens if you ever get a Speed=0 or a minus in speed?
> >
> > Are you just last in the round, or do you have to wait for the next
> > turn before you can attack??
> >
> > Any opinions??
> >
> > -----Ronin-----

--- In streetfighter@y..., "chuangbao" <Greywolf@t...> wrote:
> The book says you always at least roll 1 die of Damage,
> regardless of the opponent's Soak (p.136), but it says nothing in
> specific about Speed or Move...
>
> But since you have to fill out those combat cards – theoretically at
> least ;-) – you can have no value lower than zero, I'd say.
>
> For Speed, however, there is theoretically no limit on the
> penalties you can get, so it stands to reason, that effective
> Speeds (for comparison) can be lower than 0. But no one acts
> slower than 0 per se.
>
> --- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <ringthief@c...> wrote:
> > my rulings (4 my game):
> >
> > lowest possible move: 0 (cuz moving backwards for negatives
> > is stupid)
> >
> > lowest possible damage: 1 (says in the book)
> >
> > lowest possible speed: none (speed is only used for "greater-
> > than", "less-than", "equal-to" comparison, so theres no reason
> > that cannot go into the negatives. 2 ppl may both be i the
> > negatives so you would need to look that far to see whos
> > faster.)
> >
> >
> > an interesting house rule i just thought of though would be to
> > have the lowest speed be 0 and apply any negative speed to
> > next turn. any thoughts on that?
> >
> > example: speed -1. you act on speed 0 and are at -1 speed
> > next turn.
>
> That way you could accumulate Speed penalties way to fast
> (especially when you got a low Dex to start with)!
> Think of all those low Speed Grabs – one botch and you won't
> see positive speeds any time soon ...
>
> >
> > Matt
>
> Roland