At 11:30 PM 3/11/02 -0000, you wrote:

>your still not getting me.
>(see below)
>
>--- In streetfighter@y..., Kim Foster <nexus@q...> wrote:
> I think what is be saying is that some (my group included) play it
>like once
>> you interup to move out of the way and declare finished moving,
>thats it.
>> your turn is over as well. You can't waltz back up and hit him in
>perfect
>> safty.
>
>
>not that round. you waltz back and hit him in perfect safety NEXT
>round when you have another turn.

And that next round, when your return and hit the big guy first. You have to
stand there and be hit back by the slow guys action that turn. If your not
in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the empty air, at least thats
the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.

>
>And that next round, when your return and hit the big guy first. You have
>to
>stand there and be hit back by the slow guys action that turn. If your not
>in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the empty air, at least thats
>the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.
>
>
>

here's the way it goes - fighters compare speeds. Slower guy has punch.
Faster guy moves back, slower guy whiffs. Next round, faster guy lets slower
opponent goes first and doesn't interrupt him. He's far enough away that
slower opponent whiffs again. Faster opponent then steps in and connects
with relatively light punch. That's what he's saying - but not what I'm
saying.

Basically, if you had the knockdown or grab-based maneuvers, why
-wouldn't- you use anything other than them? Keep the opponent on the
defensive. Let's take, for instance, a fighter with dex 5 and head bite with
head bite-headbite-headbite. He goes on 5-7-7. A dex 2 fighter could abort
to a move and tie on the first, but couldn't do anything about the second
and third. And he loses his action then - No cost. A dex 3 fighter can only
block, which is useless, to go to a tie for the second and third. The dex 2
fighter can only tie if he, also, has a move-move combo, which he probably
doesn't. Or Siberian Bear Crusher, which gives bonus moves and knocks down.

See - The problem with just whiffing and not doing a grab or knockdown is
that a slow fighter can have a large Athletics and take maneuvers that will
give him bonuses to move. It only becomes a problem with Grabs and
Knockdowns because there's no real reason not to knock them down.

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At 12:34 AM 3/12/02, you wrote:

>>
>>And that next round, when your return and hit the big guy first. You have
>>to
>>stand there and be hit back by the slow guys action that turn. If your not
>>in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the empty air, at least thats
>>the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> here's the way it goes - fighters compare speeds. Slower guy has punch.
>Faster guy moves back, slower guy whiffs. Next round, faster guy lets slower
>opponent goes first and doesn't interrupt him. He's far enough away that
>slower opponent whiffs again. Faster opponent then steps in and connects
>with relatively light punch. That's what he's saying - but not what I'm
>saying.

I understand what he's saying. I can see how you can read the rules that
way...but it diddn't make alot of sense to us. I'm not trying to argue with
anyone elses rules interpretation.

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> I go by another rule.
>
>
> ANYONE can learn whatever they want, as long as they have someone to
> trian them in it.

I allow this, but I tack on +2 Power Points to the highest cost of the move
if there isn't an any cost (and if it's not in the trainee's style
obviously). I figure it's something to balance out the advantage of having
something in a style. If it's not in the style, it's probably done with a
different way of thinking than other martial arts so it's harder to learn
(an in you end up teaching some of the basics of the style that goes with
the move in additon to teaching the maneuver itself. To learn and understand
something you first have to lay the groundwork of the premise behind the
knowledge.

Tony "Knight of the Black Rose" Figueroa
Street Fighter RPG/STG: http://home.fuse.net/shermie/

Attachments :

These are my take on the DOA contenders. Some of the moves are are my own,
but not too many. Also, I calculate combo speed as +0, +2, +4 (not +0, +2,
+2 as the book apparently is) so feel free to change that.
Anyhow, just thought I would give my take on them to provide an idea on how
I think their power level meshes with Street Fighter.

Sincerely,
Tony

>If your not
> in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the
> empty air, at least thats
> the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.
>

Unfortunately by streetfighter rules he will. If you
just wait for you opponent to move and do nothing then
he will be FORCED to attack the air. he can do
nothing else. He cannot wait for you to come up and
then attack. Also to prevent this sort of thing my
group docks glory for excessive use of this tactic.
Cause to the crowd it really doesn't look good
repeatedly. It's sorta like the three turn rule where
if you use the same move or combo repeatedly in a
match. Its not a combo by rules but it pretty much is
regardless and makes for a boring match besides.

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> These are my take on the DOA contenders. Some of the moves are are my own,
> but not too many. Also, I calculate combo speed as +0, +2, +4 (not +0, +2,
> +2 as the book apparently is) so feel free to change that.
> Anyhow, just thought I would give my take on them to provide an idea on how
> I think their power level meshes with Street Fighter.

Nice job.

I don't think that Tina Armstrong is Sanbo though. The Contenders book
covers Wrestling -- which she and Bass Armstrong would fall under (in my
opinion).

I fully intend to convert the DOA series and put them on my Street
Fighter page here:

http://www.minix.ca/sfstg/doa.html

Oh man. Now that I've posted a link to my page, I guess I have to start
working on it again.... :)

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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson

True. But I mean that you don't have to spend more experience.

You just have to use alot of time.

If one week per PP is not enough, just raise it to 2 weeks/PP or even
1Month/PP.

That way your PC have to spend time training while the rest of the
group goes advenutring AND gets more XP.

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--- In streetfighter@y..., "Tony Figueroa" <tony.figueroa@f...> wrote:
> > I go by another rule.
> >
> >
> > ANYONE can learn whatever they want, as long as they have someone to
> > trian them in it.
>
> I allow this, but I tack on +2 Power Points to the highest cost of
the move
> if there isn't an any cost (and if it's not in the trainee's style
> obviously). I figure it's something to balance out the advantage of
having
> something in a style. If it's not in the style, it's probably done
with a
> different way of thinking than other martial arts so it's harder to
learn
> (an in you end up teaching some of the basics of the style that goes
with
> the move in additon to teaching the maneuver itself. To learn and
understand
> something you first have to lay the groundwork of the premise behind the
> knowledge.
>
> Tony "Knight of the Black Rose" Figueroa
> Street Fighter RPG/STG: http://home.fuse.net/shermie/

--- In streetfighter@y..., Jason Obeston <callanme@y...> wrote:

> >If your not
> > in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the
> > empty air, at least thats
> > the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.
> >
>
> Unfortunately by streetfighter rules he will. If you
> just wait for you opponent to move and do nothing then
> he will be FORCED to attack the air. he can do
> nothing else. He cannot wait for you to come up and
> then attack

Yes, by the official rules you have to act in a certain order. the
slow guy cannot wait and act later he must act in his turn to act.

if he cant reach you then, too bad for him.

changing the order of action can only be done by interupting, and
that is the fast guys luxury. The slow guy must go when he must go,
or do nothing.

M

nice job tony.
Can I post these on my site?
I will give you total credit of coarse.

M

--- In streetfighter@y..., "Tony Figueroa" <tony.figueroa@f...> wrote:
> These are my take on the DOA contenders. Some of the moves are are
my own,
> but not too many. Also, I calculate combo speed as +0, +2, +4 (not
+0, +2,
> +2 as the book apparently is) so feel free to change that.
> Anyhow, just thought I would give my take on them to provide an
idea on how
> I think their power level meshes with Street Fighter.
>
> Sincerely,
> Tony

sweet looking page design man.
i'll add you to my links.
I look forward to your completion.
I hope you don't procrastinate as bad as I do:)

M

--- In streetfighter@y..., Fred Chagnon <seagull@a...> wrote:
> I fully intend to convert the DOA series and put them on my Street
> Fighter page here:
>
> http://www.minix.ca/sfstg/doa.html
>
> Oh man. Now that I've posted a link to my page, I guess I have to
start
> working on it again.... :)

Offer:
Since no one will scan these, I will pay dearly for the White Wolf
Inphobia issue(s) featuring Mike Tinney's Article "Street Fighter:
The Best of the Best"

Anyone who has them and wishes to part with them can pretty much name
their price (within normal human reason:))

Anyone interested in selling?

Matt

At 01:42 PM 3/12/02 -0000, you wrote:

>--- In streetfighter@y..., Jason Obeston <callanme@y...> wrote:
>> >If your not
>> > in range, then the big guy doesn't swing at the
>> > empty air, at least thats
>> > the way we saw it. It seemed like common sense.
>> >
>>
>> Unfortunately by streetfighter rules he will. If you
>> just wait for you opponent to move and do nothing then
>> he will be FORCED to attack the air. he can do
>> nothing else. He cannot wait for you to come up and
>> then attack
>
>Yes, by the official rules you have to act in a certain order. the
>slow guy cannot wait and act later he must act in his turn to act.
>
>if he cant reach you then, too bad for him.
>
>changing the order of action can only be done by interupting, and
>that is the fast guys luxury. The slow guy must go when he must go,
>or do nothing.
>
>M
>

And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be changed. I
never said you -couldn't- read the rule that way. Just that it didn't make a
whole lot of sense (imagery wise or in the game world. Characters like
Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the victories they did) and was
pretty unbalancing in our opinion. Thats it.

Characters like> Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the
victories they did...

On a similar note, has anyone ever re-written the World Warriors to
give them better Combos? Just curious.

--- In streetfighter@y..., "galin_ra" <randerssen@h...> wrote:

> True. But I mean that you don't have to spend more experience.
>
> You just have to use alot of time.
>
> If one week per PP is not enough, just raise it to 2 weeks/PP or

even> 1Month/PP.

>
> That way your PC have to spend time training while the rest of the
> group goes advenutring AND gets more XP.

Just for a reference, my group decided on 1 week per Experience
spent. We also allow some things to be trained simultaneously (say,
a Strength increase and Widowmaker, or Charisma and Wits, but not
Lightning Leg and Dragon Punch).

Pretty much, if the player can somehow justify simultaneous training
(using Street Fighter logic, not 'real-life' considerations), its
fine.

I was looking at the various characters, and was thinking of 'who was
the most dangerous', and decided (of the non-bosses) that Chun Li was
the most dangerous:

1) Chun Li
2) E. Honda

...past that, I didn't really care to think about it. The main
problem I saw was that it seems as though E. Honda and Chun Li are
the most dangerous, 'as-written', with Ryu and Ken being pretty
insignificant in comparison.

Is this only my perception, or do these two outclass Ken and Ryu?

Comments?

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Zangeif has like 29 moves or something. Whooo!

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already in rank 7. Ryu, Ken, Sagat and Balrog I can
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<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:49:28 -0000
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Characters like> Zangeif would have
a hard time racking up the
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--- In streetfighter@y..., Kim Foster <nexus@q...> wrote:

> And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be

changed. I

> never said you -couldn't- read the rule that way. Just that it

didn't make a

> whole lot of sense (imagery wise or in the game world. Characters

like

> Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the victories they did)

and was

> pretty unbalancing in our opinion. Thats it.

Well thats the beauty of white wolf.
the golden rule.
play however you want.
if you dont like a rule, change it or toss it completely.

I have a speed gripe about the system too.
I think its weird that everyone gets one attack per round.
Dont you think a really fast character like chun li doing a really
fast move like jab could hit big slow zangief more than once when he
did a big slow fierce?

It's like they designed the game to simply swap hits.

i agree theres nothing really special about ryu.
but I kind of like that.

we all know that players skill and strategy affect the outcome just
as much or more than the numbers on the sheet. (if you dont believe
me let your dog play blanka and see how easy it is to beat him)

I just like to think of it as whoever "played ryu" through his career
was better than the rest is why ryu wins.

his fighting spirit.

like in the video game everyones been playtested to be balanced but
the better player will still win.

ryu is good not because of his moves or stats but how he uses them.

of course thats just my oppinion:)

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> I was looking at the various characters, and was thinking of 'who
was
> the most dangerous', and decided (of the non-bosses) that Chun Li
was
> the most dangerous:
>
> 1) Chun Li
> 2) E. Honda
>
> ...past that, I didn't really care to think about it. The main
> problem I saw was that it seems as though E. Honda and Chun Li are
> the most dangerous, 'as-written', with Ryu and Ken being pretty
> insignificant in comparison.
>
> Is this only my perception, or do these two outclass Ken and Ryu?
>
> Comments?

--- In streetfighter@y..., Kim Foster <nexus@q...> wrote:

> And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be

changed. I

> never said you -couldn't- read the rule that way. Just that it

didn't make a

> whole lot of sense (imagery wise or in the game world. Characters

like

> Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the victories they did)

and was

> pretty unbalancing in our opinion. Thats it.

ive never played like you describe.

do you think it is more balanced that way or that it swings too far?
is it now too hard for Chun li or Vega to rack up victories now that
speed is less important, where before it was hard for Zangief?

or is it pretty even now in your experience?

Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: The King of Chickens 2001

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:47 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Yet another detailed supercombo system

Yeah, I had a charge function in my KOF system; spend 1 combat turn to raise your super meter by 3 points (avoids imbalance). This wouldn't hold true to the SF arcade system, however and Alpha Counters and Guard Breaks happen to be mighty effective, lvl 1 supers non-withstanding.

Still, there are people like Dan who can charge meter while taunting. Perhaps you can also charge your meter by a point or two this way as well. Make it a choice, so when taunting, you can either choose to A) add 2 dots to your super meter or B) subtract two dots from target opponent's super meter. This in addition to the glory bonuses taunting already gives.

I don't like Rolling Wits however.....most of the vets (Rank 5 and above) will be able to lvl 1 straight after, and that might imbalance the game.

]>From: "Jeff Yurkiw"

>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

>To:

>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Yet another detailed supercombo system

>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:10:25 -0800

>

>How about an option to 'charge' your bar as an action like in KoF '95?

>

>Something like...

>

>...take an action to roll your wits and add the number of successes to your pool.

>

>Jeff

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> It's like they designed the game to simply swap hits.

Actually, I think thats why there's no problem with the "dodge-in,
dodge-out" style of fighting that we've been talking about. Because
thats how a speedy fighter could get multiple hits against a slower
opponent. He's just too slow to react to the speedy fighter jumping
around, darting in and out, rotating, maneuvering, etc!

well that would make sense.

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> > It's like they designed the game to simply swap hits.
>
> Actually, I think thats why there's no problem with the "dodge-in,
> dodge-out" style of fighting that we've been talking about.
Because
> thats how a speedy fighter could get multiple hits against a slower
> opponent. He's just too slow to react to the speedy fighter
jumping
> around, darting in and out, rotating, maneuvering, etc!

At 08:42 PM 3/12/02 -0000, you wrote:

>well that would make sense.
>
>--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
>> > It's like they designed the game to simply swap hits.
>>
>> Actually, I think thats why there's no problem with the "dodge-in,
>> dodge-out" style of fighting that we've been talking about.
>Because
>> thats how a speedy fighter could get multiple hits against a slower
>> opponent. He's just too slow to react to the speedy fighter
>jumping
>> around, darting in and out, rotating, maneuvering, etc!

Its fine, but there should at least a chance of the big guy doing something
beyond a few specisl manuvers or the fast guy botching.

>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

>or is it pretty even now in your experience?
>
>Matt
>

The change did swing the pendulum the other way, making the big bruisers
hard to beat or you end up legsweeping them to death. Randomizeing speed and
adding the "To Hit" roll even things out pretty much.

1 week per XP works too.. that way you have to train a REAL long time
for Dim Mak. About 16 weeks or 4 months if the trainer is Kung Fu ^_^

That's fair IMO anyway ^_^


-----Ronin------

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> --- In streetfighter@y..., "galin_ra" <randerssen@h...> wrote:
> > True. But I mean that you don't have to spend more experience.
> >
> > You just have to use alot of time.
> >
> > If one week per PP is not enough, just raise it to 2 weeks/PP or
> even> 1Month/PP.
> >
> > That way your PC have to spend time training while the rest of the
> > group goes advenutring AND gets more XP.
>
>
> Just for a reference, my group decided on 1 week per Experience
> spent. We also allow some things to be trained simultaneously (say,
> a Strength increase and Widowmaker, or Charisma and Wits, but not
> Lightning Leg and Dragon Punch).
>
> Pretty much, if the player can somehow justify simultaneous training
> (using Street Fighter logic, not 'real-life' considerations), its
> fine.

Hmmm.. weeeellll.. Carl Grissom which was the Character I played in
the Grand campaign here in Trondheim had about 20 moves at rank 7!!

So I always meant the World Warriors were made too weak alltogether.

Especially since I could beat ANY World Warrior I want, (save Vega
perhaps) with my rkan 7 guy ^_^

If anyone is interested, I could post him on the list *_*


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- In streetfighter@y..., "The King of Chickens 2001" <chickenno1@h...>
wrote:

>

My experience of a rule where the slower gets to hit unless
aborted/k.d./dizzy is pretty even by my experience ^_^

We used it all the time here in Tr. Heim and we played about 2 or 3
years continually.

We also used a to-hit system, and a different Aggravated system.

Plus a speed randomizer. We added a D3 to speed after calculating.

-----Ronin-----

--- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <ringthief@c...> wrote:
> --- In streetfighter@y..., Kim Foster <nexus@q...> wrote:
> > And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be
> changed. I
> > never said you -couldn't- read the rule that way. Just that it
> didn't make a
> > whole lot of sense (imagery wise or in the game world. Characters
> like
> > Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the victories they did)
> and was
> > pretty unbalancing in our opinion. Thats it.
>
> ive never played like you describe.
>
> do you think it is more balanced that way or that it swings too far?
> is it now too hard for Chun li or Vega to rack up victories now that
> speed is less important, where before it was hard for Zangief?
>
> or is it pretty even now in your experience?
>
> Matt

Yeah, and feel free to modify them for use (although you may want to say
"Based on Tony's design" then or something like that.

If you like the format, feel free to copy my HTML table.

I realize there are several characters I have yet to convert.
I'll post links here when I have them finished.
I try to actually not post too many characters on my site because my players
look at it (if they're on other's sites I don't mind). I put the files in
web space, I just actually don't have pages that link to them.

My King of Fighters characters that aren't linked on my site are here:

http://home.fuse.net/shermie/snk_good.htm (I have some blank HTML tables at
the bottom of this since the files are primarily for my own personal use)
http://home.fuse.net/shermie/snk_bad.htm

Tony "Knight of the Black Rose" Figueroa
Street Fighter RPG/STG: http://home.fuse.net/shermie/

> Nice job.

Thanks.

>
> I don't think that Tina Armstrong is Sanbo though. The Contenders book
> covers Wrestling -- which she and Bass Armstrong would fall under (in my
> opinion).

No (or is that yes), their style is both officially pro-wrestling, but I
used the "Sambo" style stats for Tina because its maneuvers seemed to fit
her best (or what I wanted for her in the Street Fighter STG).

Tony "Knight of the Black Rose" Figueroa
Street Fighter RPG/STG: http://home.fuse.net/shermie/

> >> Unfortunately by streetfighter rules he will. If you
> >> just wait for you opponent to move and do nothing then
> >> he will be FORCED to attack the air. he can do
> >> nothing else. He cannot wait for you to come up and
> >> then attack
> And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be

changed.

It's true that it doesn't seem to make sense for the slow guy to be
punching air all the time, but if you think about it, it doesn't make
much sense the other way either. If the slower fighter can complete
his move anyway, then you have to start wondering why the fast
fighter has to just stand there and get hit after attacking. It
helps if you try not to think of the fight as taking place turn-by-
turn, even though the rules handle it that way. When the slow guy
whiffs his punch, think of that as the faster fighter dodging out of
the way and backing up.

In our games, we do things somewhat differently. We keep the slow-
guy-whiffs-his-attack part, but we calculate speed as Dex + modifier
+ 1d6. We also let fighters abort actions free of charge, either to
block or to dodge. (To dodge, you roll Dex + Athletics and your
opponent rolls Dex + technique used to attack. If you win, you evade
the attack and move one hex to either side; otherwise you're hit.)
This keeps things fairly even; the slower guys win on speed every
couple rounds because of the d6, but the fast fighters can usually
dodge their attacks.

> It's true that it doesn't seem to make sense for the slow guy to be
> punching air all the time, but if you think about it, it doesn't make
> much sense the other way either. If the slower fighter can complete
> his move anyway, then you have to start wondering why the fast
> fighter has to just stand there and get hit after attacking.

Because he wasn't able to dizzy or knock down the opponent. This is the way
we play and works
really well. In order to make the slower guy whiff his attack, you must be
starting the round outside the range of his attack (then let him go and move
in). Have no problem with the other way either, but due to an early
misinterpretation of the rules, we never realized there were move and attack
phases (just everyone takes their turn in order, people can interrupt, then
others can finish their move). After realizing that wasn't according to the
rules, I much prefer this way out of the two options.

Tony

Yeah, I've given the world warriors new combos (many, many new combos) in my
game. I figure they can learn stuff just like the players can (but I don't
give them too much beyond the books - besides combos).

Tony

> --- In streetfighter@y..., Kim Foster <nexus@q...> wrote:
> > And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be
> changed. I> > never said you -couldn't- read the rule that way. Just that

it

> didn't make a> > whole lot of sense (imagery wise or in the game world.

Characters

> like> > Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the victories they did)
> and was> > pretty unbalancing in our opinion. Thats it.
>
> ive never played like you describe.
>
> do you think it is more balanced that way or that it swings too far?
> is it now too hard for Chun li or Vega to rack up victories now that
> speed is less important, where before it was hard for Zangief?
>
> or is it pretty even now in your experience?

Actually, even the way I play (without the move/attack phase), Chun Li is
still the most dangerous world warrior. Speed is still King, just not lord
almighty. If you can dizzy the person you're fighting, they can't hit you
back that turn (and with Chun Li that's pretty easy).

Tony

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> I hope you don't procrastinate as bad as I do:)

To giver you an idea on how bad a procrastinator I am....I started that
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touched it since.


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> Another way you could handle initiative is to (like i got my groups

to do with soak) is to roll your initiative. Take a number of d10s
equal to your maneuver's speed and cound successes.

We try to keep the number of rolls to a minimum. Rolling twice for
damage or dodge in a turn already wastes too much time counting
successes, IMCO. ^^

> Because he wasn't able to dizzy or knock down the opponent.

That's how it works in the rules. But when you think about two
people fighting, it makes no sense for the fast guy to run up and hit
the big guy, and then stand there cooling his heels and waiting for a
slow, heavy punch to arrive.

> This is the way we play and works really well. In order to make the

slower guy whiff his attack, you must be starting the round outside
the range of his attack (then let him go and move in).

Er, that's how we play too. I was arguing against the people who let
the slow guy make his attack even if he ran out of movement before
the fast guy came over.

Er, to prevent confusion: the first part of that message, about
rolling, was in response to Jeff Yurkiw. The second two parts, about
whiffing, were in response to Tony Figueroa.

we had a solution like that too ^_^

We called it evasion.
Prerequisites: Athletics *
Power Points: Any 1
Fighter steps uot of the way from the incoming attack.
System Roll Dex+Athletics vs. Opponents attack. Each success removes
opponents successes on attck roll.

Cost:none
Speed: +3
Damage: None
Move: +0 (IMO this should be ONE)


I realise now that without a to-hit system, the rule where the slower
gets to hit back is VERY unbalancing.
Sorry for being so stubborn ^_^ It's probably the Capricorn in me.¤_¤


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--- In streetfighter@y..., "nat_drest" <joaqrb@y...> wrote:
> > >> Unfortunately by streetfighter rules he will. If you
> > >> just wait for you opponent to move and do nothing then
> > >> he will be FORCED to attack the air. he can do
> > >> nothing else. He cannot wait for you to come up and
> > >> then attack
> > And sometimes the Rules make absolutelyl no sense and need to be
> changed.
>
> It's true that it doesn't seem to make sense for the slow guy to be
> punching air all the time, but if you think about it, it doesn't make
> much sense the other way either. If the slower fighter can complete
> his move anyway, then you have to start wondering why the fast
> fighter has to just stand there and get hit after attacking. It
> helps if you try not to think of the fight as taking place turn-by-
> turn, even though the rules handle it that way. When the slow guy
> whiffs his punch, think of that as the faster fighter dodging out of
> the way and backing up.
>
> In our games, we do things somewhat differently. We keep the slow-
> guy-whiffs-his-attack part, but we calculate speed as Dex + modifier
> + 1d6. We also let fighters abort actions free of charge, either to
> block or to dodge. (To dodge, you roll Dex + Athletics and your
> opponent rolls Dex + technique used to attack. If you win, you evade
> the attack and move one hex to either side; otherwise you're hit.)
> This keeps things fairly even; the slower guys win on speed every
> couple rounds because of the d6, but the fast fighters can usually
> dodge their attacks.

maybe we should start the "never update" webring..
:)

--- In streetfighter@y..., Fred Chagnon <seagull@a...> wrote:
> > I hope you don't procrastinate as bad as I do:)
>
> To giver you an idea on how bad a procrastinator I am....I started
that
> Street Fighter page in October -- threw it up all in one day and
haven;t
> touched it since.
>

> Just for a reference, my group decided on 1 week per Experience
> spent. We also allow some things to be trained simultaneously (say,
> a Strength increase and Widowmaker, or Charisma and Wits, but not
> Lightning Leg and Dragon Punch).
>
> Pretty much, if the player can somehow justify simultaneous training
> (using Street Fighter logic, not 'real-life' considerations), its
> fine.

This was actually covered in the Perfect Warrior suppliment (not that
that means you have to do it this way, but it's done very well I think).
===================================================
pg. 26

LEARNING NEW MOVES
In real life, training in martial arts is a lifelong process, it takes
months or even years to learn, let alone master, a new technique.
However the Street Fighter world is a little more forgiving. Street
Fighters who are dedicated and study hard can learn new maneuvers much
faster. In terms of game mechanics, if a Kung Fu practitioner has 16
free experience points, she can theoretically learn the Rising Storm
Crow immediately.
But this doesn't really make for a very satisfying story -- if it was
so easy a move to master, everyone would know it! It is recommended that
Storytellers require a character to train for a long time before he can
automatically succeed at performing a new maneuver. A good length of
time is one month of tough training for every two experience points that
the maneuver costs to buy. Thus, in the case of the Rising Storm Crow,
eight months of dedicated practice would make the character a master of
the maneuver.
During the intervening period. the character can attempt the maneuver
at any time. This requires two tests. The first is to determine how
capable the character is of performing the maneuver Roll Wits plus the
most difficult technique the maneuver is based on (Athletics or Grab in
the case of the Rising Storm Crow)with a difficulty equal to the number
of months remaining; the minimum difficulty must be 3. If the first test
succeeds, the character is then able to attempt the maneuver normally
with a second test; if the first test failed, the maneuver's Speed,
Move, and Damage of a successful second test are all halved. If either
test botched, the maneuver fails spectacularly, leaving the character in
a vulnerable (and embarrassing) position.
This method can also be used to simulate characters learning of
maneuvers that they are saving up experience points for. If a character
has six points and is saving up for a 12 point maneuver, the Storyteller
may allow her to start learning it. However, all of the character's free
experience points must go towards that maneuver until it is completely
paid off, and the character can only learn one maneuver at a time this
way.
===================================================

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--- Michael Deslongchamps <mjdeslon@...> wrote:

> How do I get removed from the street fighter list...

I've found that violence solves most problems.

Failing that you could always send an e-mail to
streetfighter-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

Seriously, must I repost the dreaded unsubscribe faq?

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>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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>
> What Physical stats do you think are
> most appropriate for Akuma (Gouki)?
>
> o 6/6/6
> o 7/7/7

5/5/5.

I don't think he's stronger/faster/tougher than say, Ken. I thing he would
have higher techniques though (punch and focus of 8) since he is the master of
fists.


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--- mean_liar <mean_liar@...> wrote:

> Characters like> Zangeif would have a hard time racking up the
> victories they did...
>
> On a similar note, has anyone ever re-written the World Warriors to
> give them better Combos? Just curious.

I gave Ken, Ryu and Chun-Li all the combos I could from Alpha 1. There listed
at http://staredown.8m.net/Alpha/alpha5a.html

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