> >Well, isn't this a nice bit of synergy.

> yea, it's amazing how much energy people are willing to expend to

get something for free.

That's the point, though. For me, anyway. Why restrict my personal
library only to those things that someone else deems I can have?
They (WW, Capcom) could reprint the books but they'd lose money on
it -- is the item then placed forever out of my reach, save should I
get lucky enough to find one on eBay (where I still look for the
books)?

Copyright and Trademark protection are important parts of maintaining
and encouraging intellectual property rights, but there has to be
a 'cutoff' point. Its one thing to print and distribute copies of
the rules while they're actively making a profit off of it, its
another to declare them off-limits because they want to.

Personally, I play a long out-of-print fantasy RPG called
DragonQuest. It was first made in the early 80s by SPI, who was then
bought by TSR, who was then bought by WotC, who was then bought by
Hasbro. DQ will never be printed again, and there has been a solid,
actual effort by the DQ community to buy the rights to the game in
order to personally print and sell the rules, probably at a loss.
But TSR, WotC, and Hasbro each in turn have rejected releasing the
rights to the game. The last DragonQuest game published was a
child's board game by TSR, released under that specific name to
extend their rights to the name (in addition to sounding kinda
neat). They each have explicitly stated that they, nor any owners,
will ever release the game. What to do? Not play an otherwise good
game with great combat mechanics? As it stands, no one has digitized
the DQ rules in the 20 years since it was last printed and the game
survives because of fanboys like myself. But is there really a good
moral reason to not distribute the game that doesn't directly appeal
to the amoral legal aspect?

Morpheus and foreign-produced patent-stealing generic drugs are the
backlash against intellectual property rights laws that are heavily
skewed towards protecting corporate interests, with little concern
for consumer rights, individual rights, or even economic competition.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
streetfighter group:

Should we begin work on standardizing
the additional fan-created styles, or
is it too much hassle?

o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and Players can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls

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on 12/13/01 2:08 PM, mean_liar at mean_liar@... wrote:

> >Well, isn't this a nice bit of synergy.

> yea, it's amazing how much energy people are willing to expend to

get something for free.

> Personally, I play a long out-of-print fantasy RPG called
> DragonQuest. It was first made in the early 80s by SPI, who was then
> bought by TSR, who was then bought by WotC, who was then bought by
> Hasbro. DQ will never be printed again, and there has been a solid,
>actual effort by the DQ community to buy the rights to the game in
>order to personally print and sell the rules, probably at a loss.
>But TSR, WotC, and Hasbro each in turn have rejected releasing the
>rights to the game. The last DragonQuest game published was a
>child's board game by TSR, released under that specific name to
>extend their rights to the name (in addition to sounding kinda
>neat). They each have explicitly stated that they, nor any owners,
>will ever release the game. What to do? Not play an otherwise good
>game with great combat mechanics? As it stands, no one has digitized
>the DQ rules in the 20 years since it was last printed and the game
>survives because of fanboys like myself. But is there really a good
>moral reason to not distribute the game that doesn't directly appeal
> to the amoral legal aspect?

Wow, I bought that game in '88 and have only ever played it once. I never
understood how to discourage a player from getting a 'magic college' when
his character was supposedly a fighter type. Seemed like a lot of benefit
for no downside. And the math. We had to use algebra just to figure out to
hit scores. You actually play that game with any regularity?


--
William Adams
woa@...

huh?

I never posted any fonts on my web site. I believe you're mistaken.

Original Message:
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From: William Adams woa@...
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:06:09 -0400
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: copying the books


on 12/12/01 9:42 AM, João Paulo Vasconcellos at jpvasconcellos@...
wrote:

>Where did you downloaded the SF Fonts ? Please tell me the URL, I wuold like
>to have it too.

Street Fighter Central. It's all over the place.

--
William Adams
woa@...




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Yep.

And the only way we figured out how to discourage players from
playing Mages was...

1) Create a list of 'skills' (essentially, what could be called SF
special techniques) that cost a good load of Experience that would
otherwise be spent on spells

2) Enforce and raise the Magical Aptitude minimums for colleges

Other than that, the main reason to not be a mage is that your
Experience is going to probably be funnelled into raising your spell
Ranks and not spent on Skills.

Yeah, I've been running our current campaign; its been going on for
about 3 years. And quite frankly, I'm ready to put it down and start
Lunging Punch to Elbow Smash!!! kicking some Block to Hyper Fist to
Turn Punch (Dizzy)!!! (or will it instead be Block to Hyper Fist to
Brain Cracker?!?!) serious martial arts ass.

The main attraction of the game is its inescapable mortality in
combat; I also appreciate the wargamer-written rules. Very concise,
easy to reference.

Peter

Kick ass

--- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> streetfighter group:
>
> Should we begin work on standardizing
> the additional fan-created styles, or
> is it too much hassle?
>
> o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and Players
can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
> o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

try both

--- In streetfighter@y..., William Adams <woa@p...> wrote:
> on 12/13/01 11:39 AM, necro6hit at throwrocks@b... wrote:
>
> > where?
>
> Wingdings.
>
> --
> William Adams
> woa@p...

i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.
were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use there
way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way just
cuz its standard. its just a label to slap on it but it wont change
anything. you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
a "standardized" label wont change anything either.

ppl will play how they want.

if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok, but
its still just your style however you come up with it, and not any
better, more official, etc. than any other.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> streetfighter group:
>
> Should we begin work on standardizing
> the additional fan-created styles, or
> is it too much hassle?
>
> o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and Players
can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
> o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

I will agree with you somewhat, but what about the people who know
squat about real world styles like myself, and find 3 or 4 different
versions online. My idea is to get somehting a little more concrete
for myself and the others out there who also lack that knowledge. I
beleve Fred made the suggestion of an e-book and I actually like that
idea. I (We.. whatever) am not trying to get stuff shoved down
people's throats but just to give them an option. I can honestly say
I don't use half the stuff I find online because a lot of manuevers
are brokne and I dislike supers. But to those who use them hey it's
your perogative. I apologize for the mini-rant but I am in the
middle of exams and tomorrow is my last one and am a little high-
strung.

Mark

-- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <throwrocks@b...> wrote:

> i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.
> were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use there
> way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way

just

> cuz its standard. its just a label to slap on it but it wont

change

> anything. you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
> rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
> a "standardized" label wont change anything either.
>
> ppl will play how they want.
>
> if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok, but
> its still just your style however you come up with it, and not any
> better, more official, etc. than any other.
>
> Matt
>
> --- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > streetfighter group:
> >
> > Should we begin work on standardizing
> > the additional fan-created styles, or
> > is it too much hassle?
> >
> > o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and Players
> can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
> > o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls
> >
> > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo!

Groups

> > web site listed above.
> >
> > Thanks!

ill help out if its a group effort thing, or voting or whatever. im
not totally against it, but i still see it as kind of pointless.

if sum1 doesnt know squat then they will have a bunch of styles to
choose from. if we make another set of styles to choose from thats
just one more for them to choose from without knowing squat.

some of the styles that are actually official arent ANYTHING like
there real counterparts so i dont think it really matters if the
person doesnt know squat, as long as the style doesnt throw off game
balance.

also when voting or whatever, just because a lot of ppl have the same
idea doesnt neccesarily mean its the best way to do it.

Some of you might recall a while back I took a vote from you guys for
what the newer characters from the videogames would have for
attributes and techniques. I used it for reference when doing my
conversions but I dont stick "official mailing list ruling"
or "standardised" on it because i dont neccesarily feel that the
majority is always right.

I would just hate for there to be a player sumwhere with a really
good idea he wants to use but his dm wont let him cuz hes anal and
wants to only use the rules we all voted on, because we all *must* be
right, right? then the player doesnt get to use this great thing he
thought of just because we couldnt think of it when we made ours.

the way i see it ppl should just use whatever rules theyre whole
group is happy with, based on the content of the rules, not on how
many ppl voted on them or if it says "official" or "standardized" on
it. Theres nothing wrong with a group effort but i think its wrong
to use the *fact* that its a group effort influence ppl who dont know
squat.

i too apologise for my mini rant, this is just my oppinion and could
be wrong.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "smokingmonkee" <smokingmonkee@y...> wrote:
> I will agree with you somewhat, but what about the people who know
> squat about real world styles like myself, and find 3 or 4
different
> versions online. My idea is to get somehting a little more
concrete
> for myself and the others out there who also lack that knowledge.
I
> beleve Fred made the suggestion of an e-book and I actually like
that
> idea. I (We.. whatever) am not trying to get stuff shoved down
> people's throats but just to give them an option. I can honestly
say
> I don't use half the stuff I find online because a lot of manuevers
> are brokne and I dislike supers. But to those who use them hey
it's
> your perogative. I apologize for the mini-rant but I am in the
> middle of exams and tomorrow is my last one and am a little high-
> strung.
>
> Mark
>
> -- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <throwrocks@b...> wrote:
> > i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.
> > were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use
there
> > way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way
> just
> > cuz its standard. its just a label to slap on it but it wont
> change
> > anything. you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
> > rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
> > a "standardized" label wont change anything either.
> >
> > ppl will play how they want.
> >
> > if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok,
but
> > its still just your style however you come up with it, and not
any
> > better, more official, etc. than any other.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > --- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
> > >
> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > > streetfighter group:
> > >
> > > Should we begin work on standardizing
> > > the additional fan-created styles, or
> > > is it too much hassle?
> > >
> > > o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and
Players
> > can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
> > > o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!
> > >
> > >
> > > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls
> > >
> > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> > > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo!
> Groups
> > > web site listed above.
> > >
> > > Thanks!

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
streetfighter group:

Do you access this yahoo group by
reading the messages at the groups web
page or by getting them via e-mail?

o I read msgs online
o I get msgs via e-mail
o I do both


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Thanks!

I just made a poll asking if most ppl read our msgs online, like a
posting board, or get them in e mail.

the reason for this is i am a member of a few groups on ezboard and
it has some cool features.

would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I get
dragon punched now?

if most ppl get these via e mail though its obviously out of the
question to move to a posting board where this is impossible.

Matt

Street Fighter Central has a discussion board using UBB available at http://www.planetquake.com/bnt

Click on "Forums" and look for "Roleplaying Writings Discussion."

If you do decide to jump ship, go there. I could use the traffic. ;)

Original Message:
-----------------
From: necro6hit throwrocks@...
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:19:17 +0000
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] a change?


I just made a poll asking if most ppl read our msgs online, like a
posting board, or get them in e mail.

the reason for this is i am a member of a few groups on ezboard and
it has some cool features.

would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I get
dragon punched now?

if most ppl get these via e mail though its obviously out of the
question to move to a posting board where this is impossible.

Matt





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Oh, certainly. I'm definitely not going to attempt disproving any of
your points, because they're all so obviously true.

That's why the "pro" standpoint on the poll explicitly
references 'anal' GMs and players (thats me). Its really just to get
some feedback about player-created styles, and propose changes that
would make them more agreeable for the aforementioned anal-types
(such as me).

I suppose I should clarify a bit.

I'm NOT interested in creating an "official" anything. Really, I
just want to have a list of a homebrewed styles and maneuvers that I
can consider letting into my game because they definitely have been
playtested and balanced by a group of people and not just myself.

Obviously everyone is going to have their own interpretation, but a
group effort between even a few (3-5) people could edit a good
assortment of new maneuvers and styles so that someone else can
say, "Hey, those dorks with all that time on their hands and an
especially keen interest in maintaining game balance in Street
Fighter say that this stuff passes muster."

I'm really only interested in an editing review of existing material,
not a declaration of Truth.

lol
if we say "anal players" or "anal game masters" one more time we will
have to make this an adult only board!

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> I suppose I should clarify a bit.
>
> I'm NOT interested in creating an "official" anything. Really, I
> just want to have a list of a homebrewed styles and maneuvers that
I
> can consider letting into my game because they definitely have been
> playtested and balanced by a group of people and not just myself.
>
> Obviously everyone is going to have their own interpretation, but a
> group effort between even a few (3-5) people could edit a good
> assortment of new maneuvers and styles so that someone else can
> say, "Hey, those dorks with all that time on their hands and an
> especially keen interest in maintaining game balance in Street
> Fighter say that this stuff passes muster."
>
> I'm really only interested in an editing review of existing
material,
> not a declaration of Truth.

i'll help.
sorry if ive seemed weird about this.
I just am paranoid about combining too much as I feel our diversity
is what makes us interesting.

like when sum1 proposed that we all just have one big site a while
back with all our material on it. yuck.
i like the variety of having many sites and many perspectives.

same with this stuff.


how long have you been playing this?
you could probably just release your styles or reference them if they
are sum1 elses somewhere and a lot of ppl here could just tell you if
they are balanced or not pretty accurately without playtesting.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> I suppose I should clarify a bit.
>
> I'm NOT interested in creating an "official" anything. Really, I
> just want to have a list of a homebrewed styles and maneuvers that
I
> can consider letting into my game because they definitely have been
> playtested and balanced by a group of people and not just myself.
>
> Obviously everyone is going to have their own interpretation, but a
> group effort between even a few (3-5) people could edit a good
> assortment of new maneuvers and styles so that someone else can
> say, "Hey, those dorks with all that time on their hands and an
> especially keen interest in maintaining game balance in Street
> Fighter say that this stuff passes muster."
>
> I'm really only interested in an editing review of existing
material,
> not a declaration of Truth.

am i the only person to recently notice wal mart opened up a new
store to the right of any message i read online?

when did that get here?

I hope it goes away after x-mas:)

why does pdf enlarge your filesize so?

I put all the scans o the book i have into a pdf, and also into a
zip, to compare.

the pdf is
32,513KB
and the zip is
2,292KB

same files.
weak.

Matt

here are some samples of how big ive been scanning

http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0000.jpg
http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0001.jpg
http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0002.jpg
http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0003.jpg

do you guys think:
bigger?
smaller?
ok?

Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: necro6hit

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:58 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: New poll for streetfighter

i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.
were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use there
way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way just
cuz its standard.  its just a label to slap on it but it wont change
anything.  you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
a "standardized" label wont change anything either.

ppl will play how they want.

if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok, but
its still just your style however you come up with it, and not any
better, more official, etc. than any other.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
> streetfighter group:
>
> Should we begin work on standardizing
> the additional fan-created styles, or
> is it too much hassle?
>
>   o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and Players
can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
>   o Too much hassle.  Playtest at your own risk!
>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/streetfighter/polls
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!



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> > >Well, isn't this a nice bit of synergy.
>
> > yea, it's amazing how much energy people are willing to expend to
> get something for free.
>

<intellectual rights vs consumer rights argument snipped>

I gotta go "anti-copy" on this one...

I decided to pursue the Street Fighter line from White Wolf last March...

I joined the list, peeked around a few places on-line, and I rounded up all
six books that White Wolf released, all in about two months.

I used two sources: eBay and Amazon.com's zShops. No fuss, no muss, no
breaking of copyright laws due to making digital copies of the books.

Hell, I even managed to tag the ST Screen, The Perfect Warrior and Secrets
of Shadoloo for cover price, thanks to the zShop.

Tommy

"I look at the world and I notice it's turning
While my guitar gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my guitar gently weeps"
- George Harrison (1943-2001)

> I just made a poll asking if most ppl read our msgs online, like a
> posting board, or get them in e mail.
>
> the reason for this is i am a member of a few groups on ezboard and
> it has some cool features.
>
> would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I get
> dragon punched now?

SHORYUKEN!!!!

To put it nicely...I hate message boards. With a passion. =P

In a message dated 12/13/01 3:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, throwrocks@... writes:

would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I get
dragon punched now?

if most ppl get these via e mail though its obviously out of the
question to move to a posting board where this is impossible.

Matt

Well, here's my two cents:

I personally cannot keep up with a message board.  I know, I've tried.  So if the list moves to one I am SOOOOO screwed.

I'm not against a few of you running a messageboard on the side, just toss any good talks and interesting points to my E-Mail or I'll never see them.

"Sit by my fire, and hear a tale."

Arkon, Dark Lord of Chaos; Keeper of Mysteries; Circuit Folklorist; Seeker of the Lost Paths

----- Original Message -----

From: mean_liar

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:40 AM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Homebrew style standards

Good idea.  I agree that a "standard codex" of styles would be best,
if only because we can forcefully examine some of the styles and
complare them to others.

I also suppose we could include questionable existing styles into the
conversations, too -- Jeet Kun Do, The Pankration, Silat, stuff like
that?

In any case, its not like we can force anyone to accept a community
concensus on this stuff, so I see little harm in it.  On the plus
side, we can playtest stuff that probably hasn't really been
critically examined by a good cross-section of players.



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-----Original Message-----
From: arkondloc@... [mailto:arkondloc@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:18 PM
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] a change?

In a message dated 12/13/01 3:23:34 PM Central Standard Time, throwrocks@... writes:

would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I get
dragon punched now?

if most ppl get these via e mail though its obviously out of the
question to move to a posting board where this is impossible.

Matt

Well, here's my two cents:

I personally cannot keep up with a message board.  I know, I've tried.  So if the list moves to one I am SOOOOO screwed.

I'm not against a few of you running a messageboard on the side, just toss any good talks and interesting points to my E-Mail or I'll never see them.

"Sit by my fire, and hear a tale."

Arkon, Dark Lord of Chaos; Keeper of Mysteries; Circuit Folklorist; Seeker of the Lost Paths


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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
streetfighter group:

Okay, for all those who read 'Legends
of the Circuit', here's your chance to
influence my topics without speaking
up!

Simply check whatever you want to read
up on.

Pick all that apply.

o Talk more about the World Warriors, they're prominent figures and should be given consideration.
o Try to keep away from the World Warriors, they get enough press; I want to hear about new things!
o Okay, Arkon, that's enough mythology for you. See if you can do some stories without the supernatural.
o Let's hear about a few arenas.
o I want to hear some stories about the non-World Warrior characters, like Akuma, Rose, and the guys from the books.
o How about a strange move? It doesn't have to be powerful.
o How about telling a story that relates to an NPC or article in the rest of the issue?
o The series is fine as is. Don't change a thing.
o I have an idea for a Legend. Would you mind if I submitted it?
o I don't read 'Legends of the Circuit'.


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--- In streetfighter@y..., "necro6hit" <throwrocks@b...> wrote:

> here are some samples of how big ive been scanning

Holy crap. You've played a bit, I see.

> ok?

If the book is at >3mb in a zip, thats great! As a side note, did
you know that .pdf has 2 forms -- Pagemaker and Photoshop? I assume
if you've converted them into .pdf Photoshop files, they'll be huge -
- its designed for all the layering crap etc. of Photoshop, and not
the whole 'print this e-z' stuff of Pagemaker.

And no, I haven't played SF much. I have a degree in Math and a
keen interest in game design.

AND, the CHAMPS system looked good, but I fear what it would create
in the hands of an experienced min-maxing number cruncher. I say
that without having really studied the system yet... its a project
I'm doing right now.

>i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.

I approve of the "standardization," because I can appreciate that someone is
going over the material for balance. Admittedly, it's not like I've seen
any tremendous discrepencies between different versions of the same style,
but I'm glad someone has the initiative to check it out.

>were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use there
>way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way just
>cuz its standard. its just a label to slap on it but it wont change
>anything.

Sure, they're not necessarily official (although, like most of the SF fan
material, they'll probably be done more carefully than a lot of the official
White Wolf material) but if that's the case, then who cares? "Standardized
Rules" or "House Rules." RPGs generally allow for both.

>you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
>rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
>a "standardized" label wont change anything either.

I hope that wasn't a slam against CHAMPS.

>ppl will play how they want.
>
>if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok, but
>its still just your style however you come up with it, and not any
>better, more official, etc. than any other.
>

It's been done on the list before, with various polls on how certain moves
should work. The whole "crouching block" debate. I see it as the "Euro,"
an opportunity to make the fan material more cohesive. If you see them as
"just house rules," that's cool. I imagine that will happen with list
tourneys, as well, where someone will say "White Wolf material only,
thankyewverymuch." It's their prerogative.

Still, doesn't hurt.

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Agreed. Email is a push system because the content is fed right to me, and I
don't have to go out of my way to get it. Messageboards are a pull system.
They can be inconvenient at times. Besides I think yahoogroups has done a
good job since swallowing egroups. I see no reason to take off.

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on 12/13/01 10:50 PM, necro6hit at throwrocks@... wrote:

> here are some samples of how big ive been scanning

> http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0000.jpg
> http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0001.jpg
> http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0002.jpg
> http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0003.jpg

> do you guys think:
> bigger?
> smaller?
> ok?

50 to 60K each, not bad. So I'd say Ok.


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> Your article on cheating in tournaments was exceptional. Very well written
> and thought out. I also enjoyed the Hook, Line and Sinker adventure ideas.
>
> Scott

Thank you. It was hard to come up with an idea for an article that I hadn't
seen before in The Pride or a webpage (or even on this list). I'm glad you
liked it.

I always enjoy Arkon's HLSs. I think it's because he has the audacity to give
his NPCs more realistic, or at least different, motivations than those in, for
example, High Stakes, even when they're at odds with the PCs.

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i like your rules pittman, i was just using you as an example.
sorry if i offended ya:)
and i didnt mean the ones from ww i meant the ones you polled us for.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> "you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
> rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?"
>
> Well, no, but I did include official rulings from WW, and stated
clearly that the mailing list rules were from that source. I never
tried to make my own rules "official", for the record.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: necro6hit
> To: streetfighter@y...
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:58 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: New poll for streetfighter
>
>
> i think standardizing rules, styles, etc. sux.
> were never gonna ALL agree and the ppl who dont will just use
there
> way. its not like they will be forced to use the "standard" way
just
> cuz its standard. its just a label to slap on it but it wont
change
> anything. you think EVERYONE here goes by pittmans "official"
> rulings just cuz there is an "official" label affixed to it?
> a "standardized" label wont change anything either.
>
> ppl will play how they want.
>
> if you just want ppls oppinions to go into your style thats ok,
but
> its still just your style however you come up with it, and not
any
> better, more official, etc. than any other.
>
> Matt
>
> --- In streetfighter@y..., streetfighter@y... wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > streetfighter group:
> >
> > Should we begin work on standardizing
> > the additional fan-created styles, or
> > is it too much hassle?
> >
> > o Standardize the styles so that the more anal GMs and
Players
> can use them, knowing they've been approved by a panel of experts
> > o Too much hassle. Playtest at your own risk!
> >
> >
> > To vote, please visit the following web page:
> >
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> >
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yeah but these are just "backup copies"
lol

--- In streetfighter@y..., "Tommy Brownell" <tommyb@s...> wrote:
> > > >Well, isn't this a nice bit of synergy.
> >
> > > yea, it's amazing how much energy people are willing to expend
to
> > get something for free.
> >
>
> <intellectual rights vs consumer rights argument snipped>
>
> I gotta go "anti-copy" on this one...
>
> I decided to pursue the Street Fighter line from White Wolf last
March...
>
> I joined the list, peeked around a few places on-line, and I
rounded up all
> six books that White Wolf released, all in about two months.
>
> I used two sources: eBay and Amazon.com's zShops. No fuss, no
muss, no
> breaking of copyright laws due to making digital copies of the
books.
>
> Hell, I even managed to tag the ST Screen, The Perfect Warrior and
Secrets
> of Shadoloo for cover price, thanks to the zShop.
>
> Tommy
>
> "I look at the world and I notice it's turning
> While my guitar gently weeps
> With every mistake we must surely be learning
> Still my guitar gently weeps"
> - George Harrison (1943-2001)

champs is very cool.
the only thing i dont like about it is I had the same idea once and
you beat me to it:P

it keeps everything balanced and fair cuz its like a point buy
system. sometimes if you make up a move without it the gm will
always want to neuter it, but champs makes it black and white.

matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> If you would like to look at a system I designed (over many months)
for making "standard" Maneuvers, Styles, and Backgrounds, take a look
at CHAMPS.
> In CHAMPS, each Maneuver, Style or Background created is labeled
as a "version", meaning all of the Styles are okay as long as they
fit into the CHAMPS rules. Therefore, you could learn "Chicko's Kung
Fu" as opposed to "Joe's Kung Fu". Both would be just as fair under
the CHAMPS rules. This applies to maneuvers and Backgrounds as well.
> In any case, the system works well if you would like to judge
your Maneuvers to see if they are underpowered or overpowered. I hope
you like it... feedback is appreciated.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mean_liar
> To: streetfighter@y...
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:40 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Homebrew style standards
>
>
> Good idea. I agree that a "standard codex" of styles would be
best,
> if only because we can forcefully examine some of the styles and
> complare them to others.
>
> I also suppose we could include questionable existing styles into
the
> conversations, too -- Jeet Kun Do, The Pankration, Silat, stuff
like
> that?
>
> In any case, its not like we can force anyone to accept a
community
> concensus on this stuff, so I see little harm in it. On the plus
> side, we can playtest stuff that probably hasn't really been
> critically examined by a good cross-section of players.
>
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thats not the whole book, just what i have done now, like 20 pages

--- In streetfighter@y..., "mean_liar" <mean_liar@h...> wrote:
> If the book is at >3mb in a zip, thats great! As a side note, did

naah, i just thought you might like some of the other ones out there.
if you dont wanna move, im not about to make another.

matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "MikeM" <morg@m...> wrote:
> I have no plans on moving the list. If someone wants to start a
message
> board, hey, Ill post there too, but I started this list over 4
years ago,
> and I ain't leaving. :)
>
> MikeM
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arkondloc@a... [mailto:arkondloc@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:18 PM
> To: streetfighter@y...
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] a change?
>
>
> In a message dated 12/13/01 3:23:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> throwrocks@b... writes:
>
>
> would anyone be interested in changing or is this mutiny and I
get
> dragon punched now?
>
> if most ppl get these via e mail though its obviously out of the
> question to move to a posting board where this is impossible.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Well, here's my two cents:
>
> I personally cannot keep up with a message board. I know, I've
tried. So
> if the list moves to one I am SOOOOO screwed.
>
> I'm not against a few of you running a messageboard on the side,
just toss
> any good talks and interesting points to my E-Mail or I'll never
see them.
>
> "Sit by my fire, and hear a tale."
>
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--- necro6hit <throwrocks@...> wrote:

> here are some samples of how big ive been scanning
>
> http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0000.jpg

Wow, your book is in great shape compared to mine.

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they were all in my car when i flipped it a few years ago.
days later when i went to the junkyard to dig them out it had already
rained through my broken windows onto them but the phb took the brunt
of the water damage:)

lol
what did you do to yours?
Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
> --- necro6hit <throwrocks@b...> wrote:
> > here are some samples of how big ive been scanning
> >
> > http://www.tlcnet.com/~slappy/0000.jpg
>
> Wow, your book is in great shape compared to mine.
>
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on 12/14/01 10:43 AM, necro6hit at throwrocks@... wrote:

> yeah but these are just "backup copies"
> lol

Seriously man, I no longer care. I've bought two of these books, STRPG and
the Player's. I don't have a credit card so I could never get them off ebay
even if I wanted to. But it doesn't bother me if people think I'm a thief
for getting these books off the net. Currently I'm playing SF with a
photocopy of the Player's guide and my memory. The books I actually
purchased are long gone. Borrowed and never returned. So I am definitely
not going to get choked up when some holier than thou kid gets up on his
high horse to look down on me.
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--- necro6hit <throwrocks@...> wrote:

> they were all in my car when i flipped it a few years ago.
> days later when i went to the junkyard to dig them out it had already
> rained through my broken windows onto them but the phb took the brunt
> of the water damage:)
>
> lol
> what did you do to yours?
> Matt

Well, nothing really. Just standard wear and tear. Mine just looks worse off
than yours does. It's my Screen that's been chewed on by teathing puppies and
shades of grey that soaked up some spilled cherry coolaid.

Let's see: that rip on your spine? I got that, except that it goes all the way
down to Cammy's Beret. My exfriend accidently folded the front cover over so
there's a big crease down the middle. That sort of thing.

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> Seriously man, I no longer care. I've bought two of these books, STRPG and
> the Player's. I don't have a credit card so I could never get them off ebay
> even if I wanted to. But it doesn't bother me if people think I'm a thief
> for getting these books off the net. Currently I'm playing SF with a
> photocopy of the Player's guide and my memory. The books I actually
> purchased are long gone. Borrowed and never returned. So I am definitely
> not going to get choked up when some holier than thou kid gets up on his
> high horse to look down on me.

eBay doesn't use credit cards dude. I've always paid with postal money
orders. Go to a post office, give them the payment and ask for money
order. It's as good as a certified check.

eBay is the best way to get the books..hands down. Just gotta be
patient. It took me a year to get them all, and I did. In good condition
too.

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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson

ha, a dog chewed on your screen.
no disrespect to your screen but i think thats funny.

like the "dog ate my homework" thing:)

hehe,
matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., Chris Hoffmann <staredown@r...> wrote:
>
> --- necro6hit <throwrocks@b...> wrote:
> > they were all in my car when i flipped it a few years ago.
> > days later when i went to the junkyard to dig them out it had
already
> > rained through my broken windows onto them but the phb took the
brunt
> > of the water damage:)
> >
> > lol
> > what did you do to yours?
> > Matt
>
> Well, nothing really. Just standard wear and tear. Mine just
looks worse off
> than yours does. It's my Screen that's been chewed on by teathing
puppies and
> shades of grey that soaked up some spilled cherry coolaid.
>
> Let's see: that rip on your spine? I got that, except that it goes
all the way
> down to Cammy's Beret. My exfriend accidently folded the front
cover over so
> there's a big crease down the middle. That sort of thing.
>
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>
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serious like you just dont like it?
or
serious like youd go out of your way to try to bust me?

it just occured to me that this probably falls under "things i need
to know" so i thought i'd ask.

and for gods sake if im nice enough to ask your feelings on it please
dont just lie and say youd bust me so I wont do it, because I
probably would anyway. I'd just be more carefull about it.

matt

let's just put it this way...

I, and one or two other members of this list, have spoken to the author of Street Fighter in the past (both on this topic and others; I interviewed him for my site two or three years ago), and could easily do so again if the mood strikes us. White Wolf has already made it known that they would be rather unhappy if such a project was undertaken, so the fact that you're asking this question in the first place tells me that you know what you're doing is wrong.

In addition, since I am a software developer and unpublished writer/game developer, *and* since the same excuse you're using to justify this project is the one most warez monkeys and crackers like to use to validate their own illegal doings, I am *so* not keen on such a thing happening; it hits me too close to home. I suppose it would be different if Capcom weren't still milking the Street Fighter franchise. But perhaps not.

I wouldn't even *have* to "go out of my way". Two seconds and Mr. Weick's got an E-mail telling him where to look for illegally distributed copies of his company's intellectual property, which is still very much in print (WORLD OF DARKNESS: COMBAT)

Do I feel strongly enough to tap two black and play a Demonic Attorney?

Good question. And it's a subject I don't feel like thinking about. I'd have to weigh the imperative to do what I feel is right against the guilt I'd feel about bringing fire and brimstone down on some poor schlub I barely even know, whose intentions probably aren't even very bad. Not to mention that if such activity were linked to the operation of this mailing list, it could get the Admins in trouble, and as Mike has stated, he (we) have been doing this for four years and we're not about to stop now.

So, I'm going to do what I usually do in such a situation. I'm going to forget about the whole thing and go daydream about a really hot coworker.









..that stays HERE, you guys.

;)

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From: necro6hit throwrocks@...
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:12 +0000
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] how serious are you "anti-copy" ppl?


serious like you just dont like it?
or
serious like youd go out of your way to try to bust me?

it just occured to me that this probably falls under "things i need
to know" so i thought i'd ask.

and for gods sake if im nice enough to ask your feelings on it please
dont just lie and say youd bust me so I wont do it, because I
probably would anyway. I'd just be more carefull about it.

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let's just put it this way...

I, and one or two other members of this list, have spoken to the author of Street Fighter in the past (both on this topic and others; I interviewed him for my site two or three years ago), and could easily do so again if the mood strikes us. White Wolf has already made it known that they would be rather unhappy if such a project was undertaken, so the fact that you're asking this question in the first place tells me that you know what you're doing is wrong.

In addition, since I am a software developer and unpublished writer/game developer, *and* since the same excuse you're using to justify this project is the one most warez monkeys and crackers like to use to validate their own illegal doings, I am *so* not keen on such a thing happening; it hits me too close to home. I suppose it would be different if Capcom weren't still milking the Street Fighter franchise. But perhaps not.

I wouldn't even *have* to "go out of my way". Two seconds and Mr. Weick's got an E-mail telling him where to look for illegally distributed copies of his company's intellectual property, which is still very much in print (WORLD OF DARKNESS: COMBAT)

Do I feel strongly enough to tap two black and play a Demonic Attorney?

Good question. And it's a subject I don't feel like thinking about. I'd have to weigh the imperative to do what I feel is right against the guilt I'd feel about bringing fire and brimstone down on some poor schlub I barely even know, whose intentions probably aren't even very bad. Not to mention that if such activity were linked to the operation of this mailing list, it could get the Admins in trouble, and as Mike has stated, he (we) have been doing this for four years and we're not about to stop now.

So, I'm going to do what I usually do in such a situation. I'm going to forget about the whole thing and go daydream about a really hot coworker.









..that stays HERE, you guys.

;)

Original Message:
-----------------
From: necro6hit throwrocks@...
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:12 +0000
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] how serious are you "anti-copy" ppl?


serious like you just dont like it?
or
serious like youd go out of your way to try to bust me?

it just occured to me that this probably falls under "things i need
to know" so i thought i'd ask.

and for gods sake if im nice enough to ask your feelings on it please
dont just lie and say youd bust me so I wont do it, because I
probably would anyway. I'd just be more carefull about it.

matt







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"So I am definitely
not going to get choked up when some holier than thou kid gets up on his
high horse to look down on me. "

by the way, while I'm on a roll... a good number of the members of this list are either in college, or have graduated and are pushing thirty. so watch who you call a kid, "sonny".

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-----------------
From: William Adams woa@...
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:37:45 -0400
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: calm discussion on intellectual property rights


on 12/14/01 10:43 AM, necro6hit at throwrocks@... wrote:

> yeah but these are just "backup copies"
> lol

Seriously man, I no longer care. I've bought two of these books, STRPG and
the Player's. I don't have a credit card so I could never get them off ebay
even if I wanted to. But it doesn't bother me if people think I'm a thief
for getting these books off the net. Currently I'm playing SF with a
photocopy of the Player's guide and my memory. The books I actually
purchased are long gone. Borrowed and never returned. So I am definitely
not going to get choked up when some holier than thou kid gets up on his
high horse to look down on me.
--
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My turn.

I've made it known that I'm against the copying of the books, but being
the non-confrontational person that I am, I've just basically made
doubly sure that my name doesn't appear in any oif the threads relating
to the topic (unless it's in a discouragin email). I have not (yet) done
anything to force members to take this communication away from the list.
However, as one of the admins of the list it is my responsibility to
ensure that things on the list stay legit. I was going to wait to how
this project went because the discussions have happened in the past but
died imminently. No use putting on my evil authoritative voice if I
didn't need to. We're all friends here.

But now that I've seen some scanned pictures, I'm a little concerened. I
think this pet project has gone further than what I'd like to allow on
the list.

If you guys are really serious about this I'd like it taken offline
please. I don't want this list and any innocent bystanders getting
involved.

To finsih on a light note though, I'd like to point out again that The
Perfect Warrior supplement book (my favorite) is currently going for a
mere $3.00 at eBay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1676999606

And as a side note, I've setup some search agents on eBay to email me
when it finds criteria I've setup that should find anything SFRPG
related. I'll post these to the list as they come, and let you guys
fight over them.

There are so many better ways to get the books folks. Let's keep our PDF
making skils for creating our own official supplements.

Anyway, I'm done. By the way Matt, thanks for being honest and asking.

> let's just put it this way...
>
> I, and one or two other members of this list, have spoken to the author of Street Fighter in the past (both on this topic and others; I interviewed him for my site two or three years ago), and could easily do so again if the mood strikes us. White Wolf has already made it known that they would be rather unhappy if such a project was undertaken, so the fact that you're asking this question in the first place tells me that you know what you're doing is wrong.
>
> In addition, since I am a software developer and unpublished writer/game developer, *and* since the same excuse you're using to justify this project is the one most warez monkeys and crackers like to use to validate their own illegal doings, I am *so* not keen on such a thing happening; it hits me too close to home. I suppose it would be different if Capcom weren't still milking the Street Fighter franchise. But perhaps not.
>
> I wouldn't even *have* to "go out of my way". Two seconds and Mr. Weick's got an E-mail telling him where to look for illegally distributed copies of his company's intellectual property, which is still very much in print (WORLD OF DARKNESS: COMBAT)
>
> Do I feel strongly enough to tap two black and play a Demonic Attorney?
>
> Good question. And it's a subject I don't feel like thinking about. I'd have to weigh the imperative to do what I feel is right against the guilt I'd feel about bringing fire and brimstone down on some poor schlub I barely even know, whose intentions probably aren't even very bad. Not to mention that if such activity were linked to the operation of this mailing list, it could get the Admins in trouble, and as Mike has stated, he (we) have been doing this for four years and we're not about to stop now.
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> So, I'm going to do what I usually do in such a situation. I'm going to forget about the whole thing and go daydream about a really hot coworker.
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> ..that stays HERE, you guys.
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> Original Message:
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> From: necro6hit throwrocks@...
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:31:12 +0000
> To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] how serious are you "anti-copy" ppl?
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> serious like you just dont like it?
> or
> serious like youd go out of your way to try to bust me?
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> it just occured to me that this probably falls under "things i need
> to know" so i thought i'd ask.
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> and for gods sake if im nice enough to ask your feelings on it please
> dont just lie and say youd bust me so I wont do it, because I
> probably would anyway. I'd just be more carefull about it.
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> matt
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