----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Hoffmann

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:54 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Gateway Tournament 2.

--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:
> Yes I count him but I need more people, 8 for 16 is good number. Where
> Hoffmann and Karstensen? These guy probaly love play this again.

Who me.  Oh, I've been castaway in the netless wastelands for a while.  It's
good to be back though.

New tournament?  Gokiwa will be there to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and he's
all out of ass.

Wait, let me try that again...

=====
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----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Johnston

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Bleck<The First.>

Have no fears that your judgment is slipping Steve. Addmittedly I haven't known you the longest by any means, but never has any of your actions/opinions put me in doubt of you fairness and objectivtiy.

 

(Butt kissing out of the way).

 

Now with the issue at had with the combos of might and dread. Well, there are enough issues that can arise. In this case dealing with Augmented baisc maneuvers I think thus far it has been cared for nicely. If you asked a player "Is a 'Jab-jab' the same as a 'FlameJab-FlameJab' combo?" I'd imagine that they'd say no they are two different combos. If they felt they were the same then I'd ensure that Every NPC jab combo was flaming. =)

Since Flaming fist is a skill that must be learned and developed, I argue that like learning how to string to jabs together, so must you know how to string to flaming fists together.

 

 They may say "Well if I know how to Flame my punch, can't I just switch it out for one of the Jabs?" and the answer to that is no: you also know how to do a Strong punch, or a Fierce punch, but you can't magically substitue it in to the comb since thier executions are different.

 

"But a jab and a flaming jab are done the same way Right?" If that were the case then there wouldn't be a Chi cost. I doubt that many of us on this group can say we know what it's actually like to implement CHI base attacks, but the fact remains you need certain skills to execute them, so they must be slightly diffrenet in their mechanism. I'm lookin at this from a sense of maintaining some of the realism to the game (Yeah, yeah I know people are going to argue that realism was alredy chucked out the window in the game, but I'd like to minimize it's effects.)

 

The other issue you present is whether or not you can just pay a point or two to just stick in a different maneuver, instead of buying an entierly different combo. The only answer I see to this is "No." If some guy has a Jab-Strong-Throw combo and later he learns back roll throw, could he just sub in the BRthrow at the end of the combo? No you'd have to develop and entierly different combo since the transition between the moves is different.

 

 What about with the precious basic attacks that can be augmented? Well since we seem to agree that their entirely different maneuvers they'd have to be listed distinctly. If you say "Sure, you can just pay a bit and change the combo to flaming fists" then you can't make the original one dissapear. Instead he gets an entirely extra combo.  This particular instance seems to me to be a good place to alow for a discount in the precense of a Sensi etc. If the guy is there to teach you how to chanel you Chi, and stick this NEW move in, they I would probably give a discount for purchasing the combos.

Tricky stuff... as always these are merely my opinions folks.

 

 

 

  

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:52 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Bleck.

A problem came up at last night's game.  The long and short of it is that
one of my players has been interpreting the rules a little different than me
and I've just never noticed.  May have something to do with his not always
telling me what he's doing during combat. :p anyway... it challenged a
ruling I'd made a long time ago and am sticking to for reasons I explained
in detail to the group, but I still have the feeling this wasn't handled
right.

The situation;

A fire elementalist with a Jab-Jab combo and Flaming Fist.

What happened;

He attempted to use his Flaming Fist to augment the Jabs of his combo.  When
I asked him if the combo included standard Jabs or Flaming Jabs, his
response was "it matters?"

I then explained that yes, it makes a difference, due to my (old) ruling
that adding an augmenting move (Rekka Ken, Flaming Fist, etc) to a Basic
Maneuver turns it into a Special Maneuver, and thus is a different move
entirely.  I then said that in order to use a Flaming Fist within a Combo,
it has to be purchased as part of that combo.  IE, "Flaming Jab to Flaming
Jab" or something similar.  Unfortunately, the only evidence I had in the
books to back me up was Sapphire's character sheet from the Player's Guide,
where one of her combos is listed as such.

When he continued to bitch about the fact that I'd never mentioned this
before, I ignored the fact that he rarely mentions when he's using combos in
the first place and just announces "Jab - and I flame it." (which, since I
don't often commit my players' character sheets to memory, doesn't alert me
to the fact that something might be flaky) and reminded the group that if
this rule were not in place, their opponents would be capable of using such
combos that the list fondly remembers as "Psychokinetically-Channelled
Flaming Fierce Rekka Ken".  The old Speed 10 - Damage 20 punch we argued
about so fervently on several occasions.

This "threat", coupled with the rest of the groups' opinions varying from
"Steve's right" to "I see Gerald's point but Steve's is better", I kept the
ruling as-is and told him that if he wished to convert the combo I wouldn't
make him purchase an entirely new one.  But something bugs me about the
whole ordeal.  Who would have handled it differently, and why?  Was I wrong?

Also, this brings up another point.  If I do indeed have a Jab-Jab combo,
and wished to make a Flaming Jab-Jab combo, could I "upgrade" the old combo
for an extra four experience points (thus "replacing" a move in the combo,
effectively) or should I be forced to purchase an entirely new combo for
eight?

sigh.  maybe it's time to switch to Call of Cthulhu.

> Yup this the same background, place and tournament,
> of course you can
> continue with Artemis or make another fighter.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Johnston

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Bleck<The First.>

Have no fears that your judgment is slipping Steve. Addmittedly I haven't known you the longest by any means, but never has any of your actions/opinions put me in doubt of you fairness and objectivtiy.

 

(Butt kissing out of the way).

 

Now with the issue at had with the combos of might and dread. Well, there are enough issues that can arise. In this case dealing with Augmented baisc maneuvers I think thus far it has been cared for nicely. If you asked a player "Is a 'Jab-jab' the same as a 'FlameJab-FlameJab' combo?" I'd imagine that they'd say no they are two different combos. If they felt they were the same then I'd ensure that Every NPC jab combo was flaming. =)

Since Flaming fist is a skill that must be learned and developed, I argue that like learning how to string to jabs together, so must you know how to string to flaming fists together.

 

 They may say "Well if I know how to Flame my punch, can't I just switch it out for one of the Jabs?" and the answer to that is no: you also know how to do a Strong punch, or a Fierce punch, but you can't magically substitue it in to the comb since thier executions are different.

 

"But a jab and a flaming jab are done the same way Right?" If that were the case then there wouldn't be a Chi cost. I doubt that many of us on this group can say we know what it's actually like to implement CHI base attacks, but the fact remains you need certain skills to execute them, so they must be slightly diffrenet in their mechanism. I'm lookin at this from a sense of maintaining some of the realism to the game (Yeah, yeah I know people are going to argue that realism was alredy chucked out the window in the game, but I'd like to minimize it's effects.)

 

The other issue you present is whether or not you can just pay a point or two to just stick in a different maneuver, instead of buying an entierly different combo. The only answer I see to this is "No." If some guy has a Jab-Strong-Throw combo and later he learns back roll throw, could he just sub in the BRthrow at the end of the combo? No you'd have to develop and entierly different combo since the transition between the moves is different.

 

 What about with the precious basic attacks that can be augmented? Well since we seem to agree that their entirely different maneuvers they'd have to be listed distinctly. If you say "Sure, you can just pay a bit and change the combo to flaming fists" then you can't make the original one dissapear. Instead he gets an entirely extra combo.  This particular instance seems to me to be a good place to alow for a discount in the precense of a Sensi etc. If the guy is there to teach you how to chanel you Chi, and stick this NEW move in, they I would probably give a discount for purchasing the combos.

Tricky stuff... as always these are merely my opinions folks.

 

 

 

  

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:52 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Bleck.

A problem came up at last night's game.  The long and short of it is that
one of my players has been interpreting the rules a little different than me
and I've just never noticed.  May have something to do with his not always
telling me what he's doing during combat. :p anyway... it challenged a
ruling I'd made a long time ago and am sticking to for reasons I explained
in detail to the group, but I still have the feeling this wasn't handled
right.

The situation;

A fire elementalist with a Jab-Jab combo and Flaming Fist.

What happened;

He attempted to use his Flaming Fist to augment the Jabs of his combo.  When
I asked him if the combo included standard Jabs or Flaming Jabs, his
response was "it matters?"

I then explained that yes, it makes a difference, due to my (old) ruling
that adding an augmenting move (Rekka Ken, Flaming Fist, etc) to a Basic
Maneuver turns it into a Special Maneuver, and thus is a different move
entirely.  I then said that in order to use a Flaming Fist within a Combo,
it has to be purchased as part of that combo.  IE, "Flaming Jab to Flaming
Jab" or something similar.  Unfortunately, the only evidence I had in the
books to back me up was Sapphire's character sheet from the Player's Guide,
where one of her combos is listed as such.

When he continued to bitch about the fact that I'd never mentioned this
before, I ignored the fact that he rarely mentions when he's using combos in
the first place and just announces "Jab - and I flame it." (which, since I
don't often commit my players' character sheets to memory, doesn't alert me
to the fact that something might be flaky) and reminded the group that if
this rule were not in place, their opponents would be capable of using such
combos that the list fondly remembers as "Psychokinetically-Channelled
Flaming Fierce Rekka Ken".  The old Speed 10 - Damage 20 punch we argued
about so fervently on several occasions.

This "threat", coupled with the rest of the groups' opinions varying from
"Steve's right" to "I see Gerald's point but Steve's is better", I kept the
ruling as-is and told him that if he wished to convert the combo I wouldn't
make him purchase an entirely new one.  But something bugs me about the
whole ordeal.  Who would have handled it differently, and why?  Was I wrong?

Also, this brings up another point.  If I do indeed have a Jab-Jab combo,
and wished to make a Flaming Jab-Jab combo, could I "upgrade" the old combo
for an extra four experience points (thus "replacing" a move in the combo,
effectively) or should I be forced to purchase an entirely new combo for
eight?

sigh.  maybe it's time to switch to Call of Cthulhu.

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:59 PM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Bleck<The First.>

bitter much?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman <joespitt@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Bleck<The First.>

Hey just send the question in to the White Wolf guys... I'm sure they will answer right away!

 

Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy Johnston

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Bleck<The First.>

Have no fears that your judgment is slipping Steve. Addmittedly I haven't known you the longest by any means, but never has any of your actions/opinions put me in doubt of you fairness and objectivtiy.

 

(Butt kissing out of the way).

 

Now with the issue at had with the combos of might and dread. Well, there are enough issues that can arise. In this case dealing with Augmented baisc maneuvers I think thus far it has been cared for nicely. If you asked a player "Is a 'Jab-jab' the same as a 'FlameJab-FlameJab' combo?" I'd imagine that they'd say no they are two different combos. If they felt they were the same then I'd ensure that Every NPC jab combo was flaming. =)

Since Flaming fist is a skill that must be learned and developed, I argue that like learning how to string to jabs together, so must you know how to string to flaming fists together.

 

 They may say "Well if I know how to Flame my punch, can't I just switch it out for one of the Jabs?" and the answer to that is no: you also know how to do a Strong punch, or a Fierce punch, but you can't magically substitue it in to the comb since thier executions are different.

 

"But a jab and a flaming jab are done the same way Right?" If that were the case then there wouldn't be a Chi cost. I doubt that many of us on this group can say we know what it's actually like to implement CHI base attacks, but the fact remains you need certain skills to execute them, so they must be slightly diffrenet in their mechanism. I'm lookin at this from a sense of maintaining some of the realism to the game (Yeah, yeah I know people are going to argue that realism was alredy chucked out the window in the game, but I'd like to minimize it's effects.)

 

The other issue you present is whether or not you can just pay a point or two to just stick in a different maneuver, instead of buying an entierly different combo. The only answer I see to this is "No." If some guy has a Jab-Strong-Throw combo and later he learns back roll throw, could he just sub in the BRthrow at the end of the combo? No you'd have to develop and entierly different combo since the transition between the moves is different.

 

 What about with the precious basic attacks that can be augmented? Well since we seem to agree that their entirely different maneuvers they'd have to be listed distinctly. If you say "Sure, you can just pay a bit and change the combo to flaming fists" then you can't make the original one dissapear. Instead he gets an entirely extra combo.  This particular instance seems to me to be a good place to alow for a discount in the precense of a Sensi etc. If the guy is there to teach you how to chanel you Chi, and stick this NEW move in, they I would probably give a discount for purchasing the combos.

Tricky stuff... as always these are merely my opinions folks.

 

 

 

  

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 5:52 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Bleck.

A problem came up at last night's game.  The long and short of it is that
one of my players has been interpreting the rules a little different than me
and I've just never noticed.  May have something to do with his not always
telling me what he's doing during combat. :p anyway... it challenged a
ruling I'd made a long time ago and am sticking to for reasons I explained
in detail to the group, but I still have the feeling this wasn't handled
right.

The situation;

A fire elementalist with a Jab-Jab combo and Flaming Fist.

What happened;

He attempted to use his Flaming Fist to augment the Jabs of his combo.  When
I asked him if the combo included standard Jabs or Flaming Jabs, his
response was "it matters?"

I then explained that yes, it makes a difference, due to my (old) ruling
that adding an augmenting move (Rekka Ken, Flaming Fist, etc) to a Basic
Maneuver turns it into a Special Maneuver, and thus is a different move
entirely.  I then said that in order to use a Flaming Fist within a Combo,
it has to be purchased as part of that combo.  IE, "Flaming Jab to Flaming
Jab" or something similar.  Unfortunately, the only evidence I had in the
books to back me up was Sapphire's character sheet from the Player's Guide,
where one of her combos is listed as such.

When he continued to bitch about the fact that I'd never mentioned this
before, I ignored the fact that he rarely mentions when he's using combos in
the first place and just announces "Jab - and I flame it." (which, since I
don't often commit my players' character sheets to memory, doesn't alert me
to the fact that something might be flaky) and reminded the group that if
this rule were not in place, their opponents would be capable of using such
combos that the list fondly remembers as "Psychokinetically-Channelled
Flaming Fierce Rekka Ken".  The old Speed 10 - Damage 20 punch we argued
about so fervently on several occasions.

This "threat", coupled with the rest of the groups' opinions varying from
"Steve's right" to "I see Gerald's point but Steve's is better", I kept the
ruling as-is and told him that if he wished to convert the combo I wouldn't
make him purchase an entirely new one.  But something bugs me about the
whole ordeal.  Who would have handled it differently, and why?  Was I wrong?

Also, this brings up another point.  If I do indeed have a Jab-Jab combo,
and wished to make a Flaming Jab-Jab combo, could I "upgrade" the old combo
for an extra four experience points (thus "replacing" a move in the combo,
effectively) or should I be forced to purchase an entirely new combo for
eight?

sigh.  maybe it's time to switch to Call of Cthulhu.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:13 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Check this out!!!

A javascript where you enter your attributes and techniques, check
the checkboxes of moves you want, and it makes a printable combat
chart for you, including speed damage move and any important costs or
text.

good for making npcs huh?
also good cuz contenders and all the wwarriors have no chart or cards
done for them in the books.

this is version 1 with the moves from the first book, version 2 will
have ALL book's moves.

get it by clicking necro @:
http://www.geocities.com/necro6hit/

and by the way, i've started playing again so i'll start updating my
page for you guys again:)

any familiar faces left? last time i posted this was EGroups not
yahoo!:)

Matt

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:13 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Check this out!!!

A javascript where you enter your attributes and techniques, check
the checkboxes of moves you want, and it makes a printable combat
chart for you, including speed damage move and any important costs or
text.

good for making npcs huh?
also good cuz contenders and all the wwarriors have no chart or cards
done for them in the books.

this is version 1 with the moves from the first book, version 2 will
have ALL book's moves.

get it by clicking necro @:
http://www.geocities.com/necro6hit/

and by the way, i've started playing again so i'll start updating my
page for you guys again:)

any familiar faces left? last time i posted this was EGroups not
yahoo!:)

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> That is about the coolest thing I have ever seen! Excellent!!! I
can't wait till you have the rest of the Maneuvers added.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

Thanks Pittman!
I bought a book on javascript and this is sort of my first large
scale project.

Pretty simple just a LOT of typing.

The players handbook is giving me the most trouble.
A buttload of new focus moves (more descriptive text than normal
moves) Plus the damn cyborgs means i have to basically type the
equations and variables for ALL focus moves 3 times!!! (once for
normal chi guys, once for cyborgs using mental stats, and once for
cyborgs using physical stats)

Focus is the largest section too, I'll be a better typist by the time
im done.

As far as version 2 goes i have everything done but players handbook
focus moves and the cyborg ways to buy them (and other chi moves).

In the end, focus moves will just have three checkboxes depending on
how your buying em.

I hope you guys appreciate it.  I know it'll make MY GMing easier!!

MSM

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> That is about the coolest thing I have ever seen! Excellent!!! I
can't wait till you have the rest of the Maneuvers added.

> >However, Rekka-ken is not an augmenting maneuver but a maneuver.

> >mention that it is already part of a combo, a dizzy one at that -

> >the maneuver description - thus can not gain any further bonus by
> >comboing. Allowing otherwise would be cheesy powergaming/rule

> >view.
> >

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> What book do you have, and where did you get it? I'd like to know
how to make script like that myself!
>
> J. Scott Pittman
>
> P>S> I am working on making the CHAMPS home page look more pleasing
to the eye, including chopping up the different steps in creating
Maneuvers into separate pages. So far I think it looks good, and
shows just how simple the CHAMPS system really is. I'll let you know
when I post the revamped version.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:53 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

I have one by peachpit press (excellent) and another
called "javascript goodies".

both should be availiable at barnes and nobles or somewhere.

Its really not a hard script, just a LONG script.

theres a variable for each attribute and technique.
then 4 variables for each move, speed, damage, move, and text.

then the script just goes IF a checkbox is checked, run the following
equations using the variables and tells it what html to add to make
the tables etc...

"view source" on it.
it looks complicated at first but the more you study it, youll see
its really just th same thing over and over for each move.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> What book do you have, and where did you get it? I'd like to know
how to make script like that myself!
>
> J. Scott Pittman
>
> P>S> I am working on making the CHAMPS home page look more pleasing
to the eye, including chopping up the different steps in creating
Maneuvers into separate pages. So far I think it looks good, and
shows just how simple the CHAMPS system really is. I'll let you know
when I post the revamped version.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:42 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Bleck.

After reading this thread i looked on fei longs sheet for reference,
he has a "Fierce to Rekka Ken (Dizzy)" without naming what basic
punch to play with the rekka ken, interesting.

I think the guys writing the sf books didnt have so firm a grasp on
the rules themselves.  with moves like lunging punch (needs kick
defense to block cause its low? what about fist sweep) and heart
punch (why buy it when you can get a move that does +7 REAL damage).

And who can forget the first time they were hit with the dreaded
RIPOSTE special from players Handbook? I still bear the mental scars:)

Did anyone ever decide if spending a point of Will gives you an extra
damage die? its in an example but not in the rules. was the rule left
out accidentally or the example left in accidentally?

Maybe what we needed (in our dreams) is SF:RPG Second Edition:)

Later,
Matt

> >However, Rekka-ken is not an augmenting maneuver but a maneuver.
Not to
> >mention that it is already part of a combo, a dizzy one at that -
part of
> >the maneuver description - thus can not gain any further bonus by
> >comboing. Allowing otherwise would be cheesy powergaming/rule
abuse by my
> >view.
> >

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/CHAMPS/CHAMPS/index.htm
>
> I guess I'm quicker than I thought! The updated (much better
looking) CHAMPS page is up.
>
> J. Scott Pittman

>From: shadowpk@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:37:32 EST
>
>No Way. I hope your not watching the dubbed version.
>
>Bri

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> Page 33 of the Street Fighter book states that the automatic
success by expending a willpower point does not "lend itself to
combat". In Street Fighter, it's meant for Ability checks, not
actions "in the ring".
>
> J. Scott Pittman

--- In streetfighter@y..., razaarfxz@h... wrote:
> Which takes me to the subject;
> What, in the SFRPG system would
> be the speed of thought?
> One who could act as fast as
> the speed of thought would
> have a speed number of....?
>
>
> Herr Tevik
>

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:09 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Bleck.

yes but in the combat section on page 141 in turn 6 jade spends a
point to add an extra die of damage (not an extra success, she still
has to roll it) beacause she "wants to give it her best shot"...


--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> Page 33 of the Street Fighter book states that the automatic
success by expending a willpower point does not "lend itself to
combat". In Street Fighter, it's meant for Ability checks, not
actions "in the ring".
>
> J. Scott Pittman

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:19 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Speed of thought... was Re: Check this out!!!

I say it would be your wits.
you could have a focus special "speed of thought" which substitutes
wits for the moves normal speed modifier.

for example:
"Dex3Wits3Guy" is gonna do a suplex (speed:Dex+0=3) but he plays the
augmenting card "speed of thought" along with it, spending 1 or 2
chi, and does it faster (speed:Dex+Wits=6)

or you could even add it to the modifier instead of replacing it like
this:
"Dex3Wits3Guy" is gonna do a Tiger knee (speed:Dex+3=6) but he plays
the augmenting card "speed of thought" along with it, spending 1 or 2
chi, and does it faster (speed:Dex+Wits+3=9)

Sounds unbalancing at first but really going first aint everything. 
hell if your dizzy you cant act at all so going first is no big deal.

If you think of the rest of the specifics for such a move please post
em 4 me.


--- In streetfighter@y..., razaarfxz@h... wrote:
> Which takes me to the subject;
> What, in the SFRPG system would
> be the speed of thought?
> One who could act as fast as
> the speed of thought would
> have a speed number of....?
>
>
> Herr Tevik
>

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:09 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Bleck.

yes but in the combat section on page 141 in turn 6 jade spends a
point to add an extra die of damage (not an extra success, she still
has to roll it) beacause she "wants to give it her best shot"...


--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> Page 33 of the Street Fighter book states that the automatic
success by expending a willpower point does not "lend itself to
combat". In Street Fighter, it's meant for Ability checks, not
actions "in the ring".
>
> J. Scott Pittman

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> I'd say Speed of the Mongoose plays out pretty well for Speed of
Thought.
>
> J. Scott Pittman

>From: shadowpk@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:42:41 EST
>
>I hear ya about the ending.. but it was still way better than Street
>Fighter
>II V. Nothing will ever compare to the japanese version of the original II
>movie.
>
>Bri

> hell if your dizzy you cant act at all so going
> first is no big deal.

----- Original Message -----

From: razaarfxz@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:39 AM

Subject: [streetfighter] Speed of thought... was Re: Check this out!!!

Nah.
Speed of the Mongoose means
you paddle around a while,
preparing yourself to
launch an attack at
just the right moment.

I want speed of thought.
Adding wits sounds ok,
but might become too much.
I'm thinking about it.

Speed is not all.
but the thing we've concluded
in our mystical orient-type
campaign is;
Speed is very important,
and first strike most of all.
when you've hurt your opponent,
he's gonna have to overcome the pain
before he can overcome you.

I don't like the players
evolving into Speed Freaks,
but as speed is relevant,
focusing on it and making
thought and action to be
the same seems plausible
for some kinds of characters.


Herr Tevik, at speed.


--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> I'd say Speed of the Mongoose plays out pretty well for Speed of
Thought.
>
> J. Scott Pittman

> > hell if your dizzy you cant act at all so going
> > first is no big deal.
>
> Huh? Who said that? Of course it's a big deal! If you
> go first, and you Dizzy your opponent, he can't act.
> If you go first and Knock him Down, he can't act.
> Going first is a huge advantage. That's why I hate
> giving beginning PC's Dex 5 and Wits 4. Might as well
> just hand them a set of loaded dice.

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> But what you don't want to do is start giving players unreal
abilities. Super-speed of thought. Super-dooper damage. Killer-Dragon
disintigration fireballs from hell, stuff like that. This sort of
thing gets out of hand very quickly. But if you want, you can use my
system from Legends:
>
> ULTRA - EFFECT
>

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> But what you don't want to do is start giving players unreal
abilities. Super-speed of thought. Super-dooper damage. Killer-Dragon
disintigration fireballs from hell, stuff like that. This sort of
thing gets out of hand very quickly.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

Thanks Pittman!
I bought a book on javascript and this is sort of my first large
scale project.

Pretty simple just a LOT of typing.

The players handbook is giving me the most trouble.
A buttload of new focus moves (more descriptive text than normal
moves) Plus the damn cyborgs means i have to basically type the
equations and variables for ALL focus moves 3 times!!! (once for
normal chi guys, once for cyborgs using mental stats, and once for
cyborgs using physical stats)

Focus is the largest section too, I'll be a better typist by the time
im done.

As far as version 2 goes i have everything done but players handbook
focus moves and the cyborg ways to buy them (and other chi moves).

In the end, focus moves will just have three checkboxes depending on
how your buying em.

I hope you guys appreciate it.  I know it'll make MY GMing easier!!

MSM

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> That is about the coolest thing I have ever seen! Excellent!!! I
can't wait till you have the rest of the Maneuvers added.

> ... In our game, every PC started with a
> DEX of 5 except the
> Focus user. I give most NPCs Dex's of 5 unless they
> make up for it in
> other areas.
> I suppose I deal with it from the viewpiont: if you
> have the control and
> speed to be a Street Fighter, you probably have a
> DEX of five.

> Okay, first: by giving everyone dex five you are
> effectively negating the role of dexterity in combat.
> You could give everyone dex one and the playing field
> would be just as even. Second: by the same token you
> could proclaim that anybody who has the physical
> endurance to be a street fighter probably has a
> stamina of five, and to be strong enough would also
> have a strength of five. Why not simply put five dots
> in everything? ;)

----- Original Message -----

From: razaarfxz@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:34 AM

Subject: [streetfighter] Speed of thought... was Re: Check this out!!!

Akgh...


<Herr Tevik finally manages to draw breath>

Two...Hundred...Power points....
How much XP would these players receive
after one session?
That is eight hundred XP!!!

I really prefer making a maneuver
that takes rigourous discipline (in character...)
and a chi and or willpower cost
to add speed to some basic maneuvers...

Herr Tevik, out of breath...
--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> But what you don't want to do is start giving players unreal
abilities. Super-speed of thought. Super-dooper damage. Killer-Dragon
disintigration fireballs from hell, stuff like that. This sort of
thing gets out of hand very quickly. But if you want, you can use my
system from Legends:
>
> ULTRA - EFFECT
>

> Okay, first: by giving everyone dex five you are
> effectively negating the role of dexterity in combat.
> You could give everyone dex one and the playing field
> would be just as even. Second: by the same token you
> could proclaim that anybody who has the physical
> endurance to be a street fighter probably has a
> stamina of five, and to be strong enough would also
> have a strength of five. Why not simply put five dots
> in everything? ;)
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 12:16 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Speed

Well first: By giving everyone 1 action per round white wolf
effectively negated the role of dexterity/speed in combat.

C'mon, chun li can only do 1 jab in the time it takes zangief to do 1
fierce???

Swapping hits was the worst idea they had when making this game. 
Their should be some kind of system where fast characters get more
actions in a turn.  And different moves count as different # of
actions depending on their speed rating.




> Okay, first: by giving everyone dex five you are
> effectively negating the role of dexterity in combat.
> You could give everyone dex one and the playing field
> would be just as even. Second: by the same token you
> could proclaim that anybody who has the physical
> endurance to be a street fighter probably has a
> stamina of five, and to be strong enough would also
> have a strength of five. Why not simply put five dots
> in everything? ;)
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

a good book on Javascript can be gotten from O'Reilly.  They make the best reference works I've ever read.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman <joespitt@...>
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

What book do you have, and where did you get it? I'd like to know how to make script like that myself!

 

J. Scott Pittman

 

P>S> I am working on making the CHAMPS home page look more pleasing to the eye, including chopping up the different steps in creating Maneuvers into separate pages. So far I think it looks good, and shows just how simple the CHAMPS system really is. I'll let you know when I post the revamped version.

----- Original Message -----

From: throwrocks@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Check this out!!!

Thanks Pittman!
I bought a book on javascript and this is sort of my first large
scale project.

Pretty simple just a LOT of typing.

The players handbook is giving me the most trouble.
A buttload of new focus moves (more descriptive text than normal
moves) Plus the damn cyborgs means i have to basically type the
equations and variables for ALL focus moves 3 times!!! (once for
normal chi guys, once for cyborgs using mental stats, and once for
cyborgs using physical stats)

Focus is the largest section too, I'll be a better typist by the time
im done.

As far as version 2 goes i have everything done but players handbook
focus moves and the cyborg ways to buy them (and other chi moves).

In the end, focus moves will just have three checkboxes depending on
how your buying em.

I hope you guys appreciate it.  I know it'll make MY GMing easier!!

MSM

--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> That is about the coolest thing I have ever seen! Excellent!!! I
can't wait till you have the rest of the Maneuvers added.

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Scott Pittman

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:09 PM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Speed of thought... was Re: Check this out!!!

Well, you can always adjust the prices of those if you like, but that's where you begin getting into some characters that will simply crush anyone they come into contact with.

  However, you could restrict every character to the same level of Ultra-Effect and give it to them for free. Then you would have a Dragonball Z kind of game going on. Pretty cool.

 

Scott

 

----- Original Message -----

From: razaarfxz@...

To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:34 AM

Subject: [streetfighter] Speed of thought... was Re: Check this out!!!

Akgh...


<Herr Tevik finally manages to draw breath>

Two...Hundred...Power points....
How much XP would these players receive
after one session?
That is eight hundred XP!!!

I really prefer making a maneuver
that takes rigourous discipline (in character...)
and a chi and or willpower cost
to add speed to some basic maneuvers...

Herr Tevik, out of breath...
--- In streetfighter@y..., "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@t...> wrote:
> But what you don't want to do is start giving players unreal
abilities. Super-speed of thought. Super-dooper damage. Killer-Dragon
disintigration fireballs from hell, stuff like that. This sort of
thing gets out of hand very quickly. But if you want, you can use my
system from Legends:
>
> ULTRA - EFFECT
>

--- In streetfighter@y..., throwrocks@b... wrote:
> Well first: By giving everyone 1 action per round white wolf
> effectively negated the role of dexterity/speed in combat.
>
> C'mon, chun li can only do 1 jab in the time it takes zangief to do
1
> fierce???
>
> Swapping hits was the worst idea they had when making this game.
> Their should be some kind of system where fast characters get more
> actions in a turn. And different moves count as different # of
> actions depending on their speed rating.
>
>
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