I'm afraid I've only got 30Meg with my ISP and I'm pert near full, so I
can't accept submissions at this time. Thanks for the offer though. I
scanned in drawings for most of the fighters last night, expect them to be
loaded by this afternoon.

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> That sites really cool, I've got a bunch of stuff you might want to
> puruse through for it, like alpha characters stats, moves, & stuff.
> If you want me to send you it, just say.
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On Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:20 AM, Nelson, Christopher T
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> Hey guys, I've got a rules question for ya.

> > Now, my question is, How do I resolve the damage that the PC took?
> There were 2 damage tests I really didn't know how to deal with. The
> 1st was when he landed on the pavement, & the 2nd from when he & the
> car traded 'blows'.

I would have used the "Give me all the ten-sided dice you can find" rule for
damage. Either that, or lower the damage target to 3 or 4. A Car, I would
rule, would do enough damage, on average, to maim most people (we'll define
average person as 10 health). So 15 successes would put that person at 5
Critical Damage and unconscious. Taking into account an average Soak of 3,
that makes it (mumble mumble, scribble, calculate, carry the 3...) 43 dice
damage.

Subtract 3 Soak, you've got 40 dice damage. 40 dice damage will give you an
average of 20 hits damage, with an average of 4 1's, taking it down to 16
hits damage. And you've got yourself an AVERAGE of 16 Hits damage. And at
that many dice, the bell curve is going to be so steep that anything less or
more will be statistically improbable. Besides, it'll scare the BEJESUS out
of the player as you slap down 44 dice damage!! He'll never want to get hit
by a car again.

And 44 dice damage isn't even that bad considering most characters have
either more than 10 Health or 3 Soak, and you've also got Breakfall in your
example.

As for hitting the ground at high speed, I'd say 10-15 dice of damage. Gives
you 3-5 damage on average.

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We're sort of half and half. Most of the players will just not even fill out
any maneuvers they don't have on their combat sheets. Some, if pressed, will
try a kick if they don't have kick technique, but it's so bad that maybe
they lose a temporary Glory and the crowd boos such an ugly maneuver.

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Am I the only Storyteller around who rolls "wrong" every single time? >no. Sometimes I really hate the dice. But I can't play without them (/use them less) because that system would be a disadvantage for the players who don't put all their exp in fighting traits. What's the point in having Subterfuge 4 if you can roleplay your ass past the security guard? just because your player comes up with a good excuse doesn't mean the guard will fall for it. that's when the die roll comes into play; *after* you've roleplayed to see how well you did indeed pull off what your character tried to do. is anyone gonna be scared of the five-foot Chinese girl, even though her player says she's gonna look real mean? not unless she either puts her fist through a concrete block or has dots in Intimidation. Kristofer > > > > ______________________________________________________

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this is a really excellent answer. i will probally add this to my games
and hit my PC's with vehicals more often!!!

Gero


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>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: I got hit by a car and I looked good doing

it

>
> At first thought I'd say 1 die for every 10 mph up to 30, then 1 die

per 5 mph. This is assuming you aren't getting hit square on by the car,
dodging at least a little.

>
> The first portion I'd rule the same way if the fighter is thrown from

a vehicle travelling the same speed he takes that many dice of damage.
(aka he'd have taken about 12 dice, that seems low to me still, maybe 1
die per 2 mph over 50?

>
>this would give a table like this:
>
>speed of vehicle damage taken
>0-10 1 Dice
>11-20 2 Dice
>21-30 3 Dice
>31-35 4 Dice
>36-40 5 Dice
>41-45 6 Dice
>46-50 7 Dice
>51-55 8 Dice
>56-60 9 Dice
>61-65 10 Dice
>66-70 11 Dice
>71-75 12 Dice
>76-80 13 Dice
>80+ +1 Dice per 5 mph over 80.
>
>Need I really go into speed of Jets and such, its really lots and lots

of dice

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On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Kristofer Lundstr�m wrote:

>
> Am I the only Storyteller around who rolls "wrong" every single time?
> Drama just isn't allowed to exist when I pick up the dice. When the
> players more or less *must* fail for the Story to continue, I roll like
> shit. When the players are fighting the archvillain, he deals out 6
> Health per blow, out of 7 dice most of the time. And the players just
> keep botching.
>
> Sometimes I really hate the dice. But I can't play without them (/use
> them less) because that system would be a disadvantage for the players
> who don't put all their exp in fighting traits. What's the point in
> having Subterfuge 4 if you can roleplay your ass past the security
> guard?
>
> I just portrayed myself ase a slave to the dice. Not true really. I let
> the players roleplay their way out of most situations. It was the
> players who suddenly realised they had lots of expensive dots they never
> used. What to do?

I think that a GM should roll the players subterfuge (probibly behind
a shield) and give it modifiers for an exceptionally good In Character
performance. Remember, when roleplaying, it is still the characters
abilities and limitations that are displayed to the NPC, not the
players. (Example of a MIT graduate playing a character with
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Hi guys.

I was just wondering if you listened to background music when you played
Streetfighter and what it is you listened to. I usually make a tape, kinda
like a soundtrack when I run SF and I dont know what to put on my new tape.
Any suggestions?

Regarding combat cards: Our group doesnt use them, we prefer the combat
sheet.

Just finished watching Tekken the motion picture....man, I really want to
play Steetfighter now. :)

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>Hi guys.
>
>I was just wondering if you listened to background music when you

played

>Streetfighter and what it is you listened to. I usually make a tape,

kinda

>like a soundtrack when I run SF and I dont know what to put on my new

tape.

>Any suggestions?

Well, in terms of music, in my group there are three schools of
thourght:1:Black Sabbath, 2:Iron Maiden, & 3:Mettallica.
I follow all three for a great Street Fighter experiance.

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I have a question for you Storytellers out there..

If a character lacks any points in a certain technique, do you allow
them to
still use the basic maneuvers for that technique? For example, say I
don't
have any Grab, would I still be able to grab someone? Maybe my
Attributes
alone would be enough to do some major damage with the Grab.

In our campaigns, although we never officially outlawed it, we had an
unofficial agreement that if you lacked the Technique, you wouldn't do
the
maneuver. Not couldn't, mind you, but wouldn't.

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The way I do it is that if you don't have the dots, you can't take the
basic maneuvers _except_ move. I always give the players plenty of
opportunity to _try_ to run. Pity that they're rarely smart enough to
use it.

As for firearms, they almost never come into play in my campaign. The
only time was when an npc assassin (not a street fighter) killed a
player's opponent before they're match and framed him. Other than
that, guns never even appear.

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>As for firearms, they almost never come into play in my campaign. The
>only time was when an npc assassin (not a street fighter) killed a
>player's opponent before they're match and framed him. Other than
>that, guns never even appear.

Unfortunately, my players tend to pick up all artillery they come
across. Including rocket-launchers, shotguns, uzis or whatever, stating
with a happy smile (here we go again) that it shouldn't be *that* hard
to hit a thug 5m (~6yds) away.

I have come to the only solution possible: Be DEAD HARD with Honor (and
Glory for that matter). Up until now, increases in Renown in my
Chronicle have been rather lame and always (97% anyway) adding dots
rather than reducing them. That time has passed. Award an subtract
Renown for anything (within bounds of reason of course). You'd be
surprised when you think of it how often high Honor fighters actually do
slightly questionable things...

Result of this zero-tolerance: the Honorable fighters will either stop
in their tracks and increase Honor very slowly in the future, or they
will soar high very fast because they ajust and turn, basically, into
VERY honorable warriors indeed. Dishonorable fighters propably wont
notice the differance.

Note: never let PCs get away with "I'm looking the other way while you
waste that gangsta" shit. Dock Honor every time they seriously injure
someone out of the ring and of course even more if they kill someone.
The important detail should be that it doesn't matter who the victim is,
Shadoloo hit-man or saint. If you act like them, you're no better than
them.

Kristofer

P.S. Should these cost a PC Honor?

* Interrogating a thug with threats of violence?

* Not giving the assassin a hand when he hangs by his fingernails off
the Empire State? (he fell)

* Pointing a firearm at some captured Shadoloo scientist to keep them
calm and steady?

* Using a melee weapon in the ring if your opponent is too? (Freestyle)

* Punching an innocent to prove the bad-guys you're trustworthy?

* Scaring an abusive and obnoxious fan who's been taunting you and your
team during the entire tournament?

* Taking part of a *highly* questionable rumour stating that a building
will be blown up, but choosing not to drop everything and rush to the
scene?

* Telling your Sensei to shuve it when he commands you to leave your
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> The important detail should be that it doesn't matter who the victim is,
> Shadoloo hit-man or saint. If you act like them, you're no better than
> them.
>

yup.

> Kristofer
>
> P.S. Should these cost a PC Honor?
>
> * Interrogating a thug with threats of violence?
>

Maybe. Depends on what the character says, and how.

> * Not giving the assassin a hand when he hangs by his fingernails off
> the Empire State? (he fell)
>

Tough choice, but I'd say no.

> * Pointing a firearm at some captured Shadoloo scientist to keep them
> calm and steady?
>

Yes, but maybe -1 tops.

> * Using a melee weapon in the ring if your opponent is too? (Freestyle)
>

no.

> * Punching an innocent to prove the bad-guys you're trustworthy?
>

yes.

> * Scaring an abusive and obnoxious fan who's been taunting you and your
> team during the entire tournament?
>

depends how you do it. Most of the time, I'd say yes.

> * Taking part of a *highly* questionable rumour stating that a building
> will be blown up, but choosing not to drop everything and rush to the
> scene?
>

huh?

> * Telling your Sensei to shuve it when he commands you to leave your
> friends in a tight spot?
>

no.

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---Kristofer Lundstr�m <kri5tofer@...> wrote:

>As for firearms, they almost never come into play in my campaign. The
>only time was when an npc assassin (not a street fighter) killed a
>player's opponent before they're match and framed him. Other than
>that, guns never even appear.

Unfortunately, my players tend to pick up all artillery they come
across. Including rocket-launchers, shotguns, uzis or whatever, stating
with a happy smile (here we go again) that it shouldn't be *that* hard
to hit a thug 5m (~6yds) away.

I have come to the only solution possible: Be DEAD HARD with Honor (and
Glory for that matter). Up until now, increases in Renown in my
Chronicle have been rather lame and always (97% anyway) adding dots
rather than reducing them. That time has passed. Award an subtract
Renown for anything (within bounds of reason of course). You'd be
surprised when you think of it how often high Honor fighters actually
do
slightly questionable things...

Result of this zero-tolerance: the Honorable fighters will either stop
in their tracks and increase Honor very slowly in the future, or they
will soar high very fast because they ajust and turn, basically, into
VERY honorable warriors indeed. Dishonorable fighters propably wont
notice the differance.

Note: never let PCs get away with "I'm looking the other way while you
waste that gangsta" shit. Dock Honor every time they seriously injure
someone out of the ring and of course even more if they kill someone.
The important detail should be that it doesn't matter who the victim
is,
Shadoloo hit-man or saint. If you act like them, you're no better than
them.

[True]

Kristofer

P.S. Should these cost a PC Honor?

* Interrogating a thug with threats of violence?

[Threats? Hmmm...I'd say no, unless it get's to the point of
psychological abuse]

* Not giving the assassin a hand when he hangs by his fingernails off
the Empire State? (he fell)

[Yes. Part of the philosophy of most martial arts is the defense and
preservation of life]

* Pointing a firearm at some captured Shadoloo scientist to keep them
calm and steady?

[Yes..but only a little bit]

* Using a melee weapon in the ring if your opponent is too? (Freestyle)

[Hell no! I love my Zanjin characters, thank you very much!]

* Punching an innocent to prove the bad-guys you're trustworthy?

[Definately, an innocent is an innocent]

* Scaring an abusive and obnoxious fan who's been taunting you and your
team during the entire tournament?

[Um...depends on how]

* Taking part of a *highly* questionable rumour stating that a building
will be blown up, but choosing not to drop everything and rush to the
scene?

[I'd say yes, but I really have no idea where you're going with that
one]

* Telling your Sensei to shuve it when he commands you to leave your
friends in a tight spot?

[If it works for Luke...]

* Etc...

[Always]

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Oh my, oh my!

Rapid and genuine responses! Thankuverymuch!!!

I will now give you my answers with brief motivations. These are of
course no truths, but on the other hand, I never really thought you'd
perceive them as such either :)

Kristofer

>P.S. Should these cost a PC Honor?
>
>* Interrogating a thug with threats of violence?

Honor loss if threats are severe. Whether he means it or not is
irrelevant. The player will lie like &�%& to keep his Honor. From a law
POV, make a quick objective judgement whether the PC would have resorted
to violence or not. If the answer is "difinitely no", then he keeps his
Honor, otherwise he's done.

>
>* Not giving the assassin a hand when he hangs by his fingernails off
>the Empire State? (he fell)

Person dies. Honor loss. With the exceptions of children and acid
though. But still, don't be afraid to put the poor PCs in no win
situations. (I *am* an evil Storyteller and I've told you before)

>
>* Pointing a firearm at some captured Shadoloo scientist to keep them
>calm and steady?

Honor loss. Intent is irrelevant. The use of a firearm is severe enough
to make him pay whether he was serious or not.

>
>* Using a melee weapon in the ring if your opponent is too? (Freestyle)
>

This is a good one... Just because your opponent is dishonorable, does
it mean you can be? And what did the Spanish Ninjitsu quote say now
again? The question is open...

>* Punching an innocent to prove the bad-guys you're trustworthy?

Going - going - gone.

>
>* Scaring an abusive and obnoxious fan who's been taunting you and your
>team during the entire tournament?

Loss of Honor. I can see Bruce Lee telling his poor student never to
lose his temper... One should be strict when it comes to this!

>
>* Taking part of a *highly* questionable rumour stating that a building
>will be blown up, but choosing not to drop everything and rush to the
>scene?

Someone said "Huh?". I'm prone to agree... This is slightly far fetched.
Perhaps too far fetched. The keywords are "highly questionable". Open
for debate.

>
>* Telling your Sensei to shuve it when he commands you to leave your
>friends in a tight spot?

This is a no-win situation. If you disobey your Sensei your Honor is
definitely in question, regardless. But if you chicken out on your
pals... Dilemma. I smacked my players with a "your friends robb banks,
what will you do?" problem 6 months ago. Honor loss regardless what they
chose. Tough. (They chose to help the bankrobbers, more money in it that
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And now for the truly twisted side of things- i.e. what happened in our
campaigns.

1. Shooting a gun/throwing a grenade/firing a rocket launcher without
intent to kill: No Honor loss. We often did things like shoot out tires,
throw grenades to scare agents away, or lob rockets into empty machine
gun nests. One character even took points in throwing so he could knock
out people by hitting them in the head with unarmed grenades.

2. Injuring an innocent: -1 Temporary Honor. This did include things
like using Dim Mak to cut of the blood flow to the brain for
interrogation of hotel clerks to make sure they didn't have an open
room.

3. Hiring Vega, and letting him kill people at random: -2 Temporary
Honor. This was the point where we started getting tired of the 'rescue
the manager (again)' scenario. We thought some fighters at the
tournament knew what happened, so we let Vega fold a couple of them in
half and shove them in the urinals.

4. Killing people ourselves: Nada. Yup- if you kill someone, innocent,
good, or bad, no Honor loss. This led to such interesting things as Knee
Bashing an opponent through a metal cage, snapping guards' necks while
infiltrating Shadoloo camps, and removing a data entry tech's head with
a torque wrench, Mark MacGwire style.

5. Gruesome interrogation techniques: No loss. Again, this got pretty
twisted. Things like using dead thugs' faces for puppets when
interrogating their friends and positioning dead bodies in strange ways
(like sitting under a table, with the head on top of the table).

6. Telling your sensei to shove off: We never did this. Given that the
sensei we saw most often was Gouken, while Ken and Ryu were around,
there was a good reason for it.

7. Ignoring innocents in danger: -1 Temporary Honor. This happened only
once, after our Storyteller expanded the story in the back of the basic
book to cover a 2 month period. Trying to keep the Weasel safe got us
shot with everything from a .22 to a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
After the Mob started sending in Apache helicopters and hummers equipped
with .50 caliber machine guns coaxially mounted with 4-shot rocket pods,
we decided that enough was enough.

So there ya go. Our Storyteller's take on Honor, and what we did with
it. I'd include other things, like when one of the team dropped a 55
gallon drum of gasoline on an unconcious Sagat from 8 stories up and got
2 Permanent Honor for it, but I think this is enough toilet paper for
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oy.

Joshua Rogers wrote:

>
> And now for the truly twisted side of things- i.e. what happened in our
> campaigns.
>
> 1. Shooting a gun/throwing a grenade/firing a rocket launcher without
> intent to kill: No Honor loss. We often did things like shoot out tires,
> throw grenades to scare agents away, or lob rockets into empty machine
> gun nests. One character even took points in throwing so he could knock
> out people by hitting them in the head with unarmed grenades.
>
> 2. Injuring an innocent: -1 Temporary Honor. This did include things
> like using Dim Mak to cut of the blood flow to the brain for
> interrogation of hotel clerks to make sure they didn't have an open
> room.
>
> 3. Hiring Vega, and letting him kill people at random: -2 Temporary
> Honor. This was the point where we started getting tired of the 'rescue
> the manager (again)' scenario. We thought some fighters at the
> tournament knew what happened, so we let Vega fold a couple of them in
> half and shove them in the urinals.
>
> 4. Killing people ourselves: Nada. Yup- if you kill someone, innocent,
> good, or bad, no Honor loss. This led to such interesting things as Knee
> Bashing an opponent through a metal cage, snapping guards' necks while
> infiltrating Shadoloo camps, and removing a data entry tech's head with
> a torque wrench, Mark MacGwire style.
>
> 5. Gruesome interrogation techniques: No loss. Again, this got pretty
> twisted. Things like using dead thugs' faces for puppets when
> interrogating their friends and positioning dead bodies in strange ways
> (like sitting under a table, with the head on top of the table).
>
> 6. Telling your sensei to shove off: We never did this. Given that the
> sensei we saw most often was Gouken, while Ken and Ryu were around,
> there was a good reason for it.
>
> 7. Ignoring innocents in danger: -1 Temporary Honor. This happened only
> once, after our Storyteller expanded the story in the back of the basic
> book to cover a 2 month period. Trying to keep the Weasel safe got us
> shot with everything from a .22 to a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
> After the Mob started sending in Apache helicopters and hummers equipped
> with .50 caliber machine guns coaxially mounted with 4-shot rocket pods,
> we decided that enough was enough.
>
> So there ya go. Our Storyteller's take on Honor, and what we did with
> it. I'd include other things, like when one of the team dropped a 55
> gallon drum of gasoline on an unconcious Sagat from 8 stories up and got
> 2 Permanent Honor for it, but I think this is enough toilet paper for
> one installment.
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uh,
that stuff's kinda sick and gruesome. those penalties seemed
incredibly lenient, considering all the stuff you did. i gotta respect
that though, real hard core action.

Seth


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>
> And now for the truly twisted side of things- i.e. what happened in

our

> campaigns.
>
> 1. Shooting a gun/throwing a grenade/firing a rocket launcher without
> intent to kill: No Honor loss. We often did things like shoot out

tires,

> throw grenades to scare agents away, or lob rockets into empty

machine

> gun nests. One character even took points in throwing so he could

knock

> out people by hitting them in the head with unarmed grenades.
>
> 2. Injuring an innocent: -1 Temporary Honor. This did include things
> like using Dim Mak to cut of the blood flow to the brain for
> interrogation of hotel clerks to make sure they didn't have an open
> room.
>
> 3. Hiring Vega, and letting him kill people at random: -2 Temporary
> Honor. This was the point where we started getting tired of the

'rescue

> the manager (again)' scenario. We thought some fighters at the
> tournament knew what happened, so we let Vega fold a couple of them

in

> half and shove them in the urinals.
>
> 4. Killing people ourselves: Nada. Yup- if you kill someone,

innocent,

> good, or bad, no Honor loss. This led to such interesting things as

Knee

> Bashing an opponent through a metal cage, snapping guards' necks

while

> infiltrating Shadoloo camps, and removing a data entry tech's head

with

> a torque wrench, Mark MacGwire style.
>
> 5. Gruesome interrogation techniques: No loss. Again, this got pretty
> twisted. Things like using dead thugs' faces for puppets when
> interrogating their friends and positioning dead bodies in strange

ways

> (like sitting under a table, with the head on top of the table).
>
> 6. Telling your sensei to shove off: We never did this. Given that

the

> sensei we saw most often was Gouken, while Ken and Ryu were around,
> there was a good reason for it.
>
> 7. Ignoring innocents in danger: -1 Temporary Honor. This happened

only

> once, after our Storyteller expanded the story in the back of the

basic

> book to cover a 2 month period. Trying to keep the Weasel safe got us
> shot with everything from a .22 to a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.
> After the Mob started sending in Apache helicopters and hummers

equipped

> with .50 caliber machine guns coaxially mounted with 4-shot rocket

pods,

> we decided that enough was enough.
>
> So there ya go. Our Storyteller's take on Honor, and what we did with
> it. I'd include other things, like when one of the team dropped a 55
> gallon drum of gasoline on an unconcious Sagat from 8 stories up and

got

> 2 Permanent Honor for it, but I think this is enough toilet paper for
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>oy.

That just happens to pronounced just like the Swedish word "oj", which
means, more or less, "oops".

Kristofer

>
>Joshua Rogers wrote:
>>
>> And now for the truly twisted side of things- i.e. what happened in

our

>> campaigns.
>>
>> 1. Shooting a gun/throwing a grenade/firing a rocket launcher

without

>> intent to kill: No Honor loss. We often did things like shoot out

tires,

>> throw grenades to scare agents away, or lob rockets into empty

machine

>> gun nests. One character even took points in throwing so he could

knock

>> out people by hitting them in the head with unarmed grenades.
>>
>> 2. Injuring an innocent: -1 Temporary Honor. This did include things
>> like using Dim Mak to cut of the blood flow to the brain for
>> interrogation of hotel clerks to make sure they didn't have an open
>> room.
>>
>> 3. Hiring Vega, and letting him kill people at random: -2 Temporary
>> Honor. This was the point where we started getting tired of the

'rescue

>> the manager (again)' scenario. We thought some fighters at the
>> tournament knew what happened, so we let Vega fold a couple of them

in

>> half and shove them in the urinals.
>>
>> 4. Killing people ourselves: Nada. Yup- if you kill someone,

innocent,

>> good, or bad, no Honor loss. This led to such interesting things as

Knee

>> Bashing an opponent through a metal cage, snapping guards' necks

while

>> infiltrating Shadoloo camps, and removing a data entry tech's head

with

>> a torque wrench, Mark MacGwire style.
>>
>> 5. Gruesome interrogation techniques: No loss. Again, this got

pretty

>> twisted. Things like using dead thugs' faces for puppets when
>> interrogating their friends and positioning dead bodies in strange

ways

>> (like sitting under a table, with the head on top of the table).
>>
>> 6. Telling your sensei to shove off: We never did this. Given that

the

>> sensei we saw most often was Gouken, while Ken and Ryu were around,
>> there was a good reason for it.
>>
>> 7. Ignoring innocents in danger: -1 Temporary Honor. This happened

only

>> once, after our Storyteller expanded the story in the back of the

basic

>> book to cover a 2 month period. Trying to keep the Weasel safe got

us

>> shot with everything from a .22 to a 40mm automatic grenade

launcher.

>> After the Mob started sending in Apache helicopters and hummers

equipped

>> with .50 caliber machine guns coaxially mounted with 4-shot rocket

pods,

>> we decided that enough was enough.
>>
>> So there ya go. Our Storyteller's take on Honor, and what we did

with

>> it. I'd include other things, like when one of the team dropped a 55
>> gallon drum of gasoline on an unconcious Sagat from 8 stories up and

got

>> 2 Permanent Honor for it, but I think this is enough toilet paper

for

>> one installment.
>>
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speaking of honor losses, has anyone else ever had to penalize a player
for sending his animal companion to harass the band providing an
opponent's musical accompaniment?

it was kinda funny given the companion was a six-foot king cobra, but
STILL...

another player pondered using a tranquilizer gun on the opponent's
manager who was holding a radio.

Christ, I never saw a group of people so freaked over a +1 bonus. :)

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I penalized a temp. Honor for using someone else's canine animal companion
to chase away a tiger animal hybrid, allowing the opponent to win by
ringout.

It was the only way the PC could win, seeing as how the tiger animal hybrid
was way too powerful (what? An animal hybrid too powerful? You don't say!).
I felt sorry for the poor schmoe who was getting whooped, so I allowed the
other PC's watching the match to observe the barking German Shepard who
wasn't too happy with the big kitty. They snuck around and untied it. The
kitty got it's cockles in a burr, raised its back-hair on end, and ran away
with the dog chasing it. It wasn't realistic but it was a humorous moment.

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On Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:40 AM, Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen
[SMTP:skarsten@...] wrote:

> speaking of honor losses, has anyone else ever had to penalize a player
> for sending his animal companion to harass the band providing an
> opponent's musical accompaniment?
>
> it was kinda funny given the companion was a six-foot king cobra, but
> STILL...
>
> another player pondered using a tranquilizer gun on the opponent's
> manager who was holding a radio.
>
> Christ, I never saw a group of people so freaked over a +1 bonus. :)
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>I penalized a temp. Honor for using someone else's canine animal

companion

>to chase away a tiger animal hybrid, allowing the opponent to win by
>ringout.
>
>It was the only way the PC could win, seeing as how the tiger animal

hybrid

>was way too powerful (what? An animal hybrid too powerful? You don't

say!).

>I felt sorry for the poor schmoe who was getting whooped, so I allowed

the

>other PC's watching the match to observe the barking German Shepard who
>wasn't too happy with the big kitty. They snuck around and untied it.

The

>kitty got it's cockles in a burr, raised its back-hair on end, and ran

away

>with the dog chasing it. It wasn't realistic but it was a humorous

moment.

Nifty.

It's the unrealistic but humorous moments that tend to be remembered. My
vote is for those.

Kristofer

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>On Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:40 AM, Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen
>[SMTP:skarsten@...] wrote:
>> speaking of honor losses, has anyone else ever had to penalize a

player

>> for sending his animal companion to harass the band providing an
>> opponent's musical accompaniment?
>>
>> it was kinda funny given the companion was a six-foot king cobra, but
>> STILL...
>>
>> another player pondered using a tranquilizer gun on the opponent's
>> manager who was holding a radio.
>>
>> Christ, I never saw a group of people so freaked over a +1 bonus. :)
>>
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>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:31:40 -0800 (PST)
>From: Seth Hopkins <sethryan1@...>

>uh,
>that stuff's kinda sick and gruesome. those penalties seemed
>incredibly lenient, considering all the stuff you did. i gotta respect
>that though, real hard core action.

>Seth

Well, that's one way to look at it, I suppose. Actually, I think
most of it was an oversight- we were kept very strictly to the
Bonuses/Penalties in the book, but if it wasn't listed...well, it was
pretty much open territory. Nobody really noticed the inconsistencies
until the first time somebody tried that Dim Mak trick. He lost the
point, and I realized it. He was quite upset about it too. So I told him
next time to just let the clerk die- no Honor losses for that.
Oddly, our Storyteller later on started giving us Rank 5 enemies to try
and keep us from killing people. Usually ninja clan leaders. What can I
say, it was a screwed up game. Fun though.

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I just had an idea for a rule variation.

In fights, if two combatants tie, they immediately compare Wits to find
out who has the highest Speed for the turn. And if Wits tie, they both
roll a die.

How about not rolling that die.

If two fighters tie both Speed and Wits, leave it like that. The fighter
*who actually acts first is considered to have the lowest Speed*. Only
when the two fighters are up for the next action by Speed order should
the die decide.

Examples:

* In a group fight, fighter B and C tie. Fighter A has lower Speed than
A and B. A starts. B interrupts him. C can then interrupt B.

* In a mano-a-mano, the fighters tie. Since they can't start at the same
time a die roll solves the situation, i.e. exactly as usual.

Why do this:

* I'm not quite sure, it's really just a thought yet. It makes tactics a
bit more important, perhaps. "Should I interrupt and save my friend's
ass, even if that makes me prone to be interrupted by the last NME?"

* A die roll is removed. That appeals to me. Don't know about you.

* Some unpredictability enters the fights (...). You can't be sure about
the Speed when someone suddenly beats your Speed if you act.

* I can predict some amusing staredowns: "(You must act first!)""(No,
you must!)"

Comments? Or should I trash it without further thought?

Kristofer

P.S. Haven't had the opportunity to playtest it yet, and wont have it
for some time either. Anyone else?

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On Wednesday, February 17, 1999 3:04 PM, Kristofer Lundström
[SMTP:kri5tofer@...] wrote:

> I just had an idea for a rule variation.
>
> In fights, if two combatants tie, they immediately compare Wits to find
> out who has the highest Speed for the turn. And if Wits tie, they both
> roll a die.
>
> How about not rolling that die.
> (snip)

We kind of do that now. If two PC's tie, the players are always deferential
to each other. ("You go first.", "No, you", "No, I insist."). In fact, we do
that even if they don't tie. In group fights, if one player's action will
affect another player's action (ganging up on one guy, foot sweeping, etc.),
we are always deferential to the last.

A quick side note. We played this weekend. We got into a barroom brawl with
a bunch of surly gay Texans (don't ask). My character, Unita Big-Punch,
picks up a pool ball and uses a Stunt to throw it at a bad guy. Having all
of Zero dice in throwing, I got to roll a whole die (Whoo-hoo!). I roll a 1.
Instead of giving me a -2 speed, my GM rules that my partner, Amazon,
fighting on the other side of the bar, gets popped in the head with a Pool
Ball or 3 dice damage.

What fun! Hee hee!

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---Kristofer Lundstr�m <kri5tofer@...> wrote:

I just had an idea for a rule variation.

In fights, if two combatants tie, they immediately compare Wits to find
out who has the highest Speed for the turn. And if Wits tie, they both
roll a die.

How about not rolling that die.

[If there is a potential for a double (triple, etc.) KO, then there is
no die roll and the actions are assumed to happen simultaneously.
There are too few draws in my games.]

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What follows is an idea one of my co-GM's offered as an optional rule to
escape from Blocks. The first part is all that's important.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dusty Prothero [SMTP:k9@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 11:43 AM
> To: Christian Conkle
> Subject: Re: Prototypical Streetfighter Cam.
>
>
> Using attacks for Breaking Sustained Holds....
>
> You can use certain basic attacks to break free from certain sustained
> hold
> manuevers. Of course, you want the player to come up with a good reason
> for
> this. I figure you could use basic manuvers such as jabs or short kicks
> or
> some special manuvers such as Ear Bop to escape some manuvers. All these
> may be done instead of a str vs. str roll off, and you must do more damage
> to your oppent rolls on his stamina....Example: Austin has Helio in the
> crushing embrace of a Bear Hug. Helio decides to next turn to attack with
> a
> jabbing punch instead of contest with Austin's strength. Since Helo's
> speed
> is higher, he choses to interupt Austin's automatic Bear Hug and strike.
> Helio rolls 3 succusesses on his punch. Austin only rolls 2 on his
> Stamina roll. Bringing back his fist, Helio pops Austin right between the
> eyes, stunnig the big guy into dropping him. Helio then dances away to
> rethink his strategy.
>
> If you are stunned while in the hold, you cannot attack. Austin may
> attempt
> to Re-Bear Hug Helio if he is still in range. Also, if the Bear Hug is
> faster (yea, right) than the Attack manuver then it strikes first.
>
> These are the only manuvers that can be used to escape holds ( I figure.)
> Jab, strong punch, short kick, elbow smash, head butt, ear bop,
> eyerake,
> shocktreatment, acid breath, ghost form, and Head bite. Again, they have
> to
> make sense for the character to be able to do physically.
>
> I will be going to school now, and I will be back about 3 or so.
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>[If there is a potential for a double (triple, etc.) KO, then there is
>no die roll and the actions are assumed to happen simultaneously.
>There are too few draws in my games.]

Hey! Good point!

Kristofer

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>What follows is an idea one of my co-GM's offered as an optional rule

to

>escape from Blocks. The first part is all that's important.

*************************************************************

That wasn't such a bad idea really. I assume the Blanka ./. Zangief
fight from the anime inspired the Shock Treatment part. (now why did I
bother to remark on that?)

Dunno if I'll use it but it sounds reasonable.

Kristofer

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>> You can use certain basic attacks to break free from certain

sustained

>> hold
>> manuevers. Of course, you want the player to come up with a good

reason

>> for
>> this. I figure you could use basic manuvers such as jabs or short

kicks

>> or
>> some special manuvers such as Ear Bop to escape some manuvers. All

these

>> may be done instead of a str vs. str roll off, and you must do more

damage

>> to your oppent rolls on his stamina....Example: Austin has Helio in

the

>> crushing embrace of a Bear Hug. Helio decides to next turn to attack

with

>> a
>> jabbing punch instead of contest with Austin's strength. Since

Helo's

>> speed
>> is higher, he choses to interupt Austin's automatic Bear Hug and

strike.

>> Helio rolls 3 succusesses on his punch. Austin only rolls 2 on his
>> Stamina roll. Bringing back his fist, Helio pops Austin right

between the

>> eyes, stunnig the big guy into dropping him. Helio then dances away

to

>> rethink his strategy.
>>
>> If you are stunned while in the hold, you cannot attack. Austin may
>> attempt
>> to Re-Bear Hug Helio if he is still in range. Also, if the Bear Hug

is

>> faster (yea, right) than the Attack manuver then it strikes first.
>>
>> These are the only manuvers that can be used to escape holds ( I

figure.)

>> Jab, strong punch, short kick, elbow smash, head butt, ear bop,
>> eyerake,
>> shocktreatment, acid breath, ghost form, and Head bite. Again, they

have

>> to
>> make sense for the character to be able to do physically.
>>
>> I will be going to school now, and I will be back about 3 or so.
>> Later.
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During some humorous jousting via e-mail with my friend Woobee today, he
announced a Speed and called for mine. It was Street Fightin' time! I had no
dice, so I had no way of knowing if my resulting Strong Punch worked or not.
So I grabbed some quick JavaScript and made a 1-10 random number generator.

It didn't stop there, however. I went nuts. The result is a Street Fighter
JavaScript die roller now on Street Fighter Ultra at
http://www.europa.com/~conkle/sfighter/dieroller.html.

Also added to Street Fighter Ultra is an HTML chart of the new maneuvers
from the Player's Guide and Contenders. I've also added a few new fighters
and a LOT of drawings for fighters, not all of which have stats yet, but I'm
working on them.

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>During some humorous jousting via e-mail with my friend Woobee today,

he

>announced a Speed and called for mine. It was Street Fightin' time! I

had no

>dice, so I had no way of knowing if my resulting Strong Punch worked or

not.

>So I grabbed some quick JavaScript and made a 1-10 random number

generator.

>
>It didn't stop there, however. I went nuts. The result is a Street

Fighter

>JavaScript die roller now on Street Fighter Ultra at
>http://www.europa.com/~conkle/sfighter/dieroller.html.
>
>Also added to Street Fighter Ultra is an HTML chart of the new

maneuvers

>from the Player's Guide and Contenders. I've also added a few new

fighters

>and a LOT of drawings for fighters, not all of which have stats yet,

but I'm

>working on them.

U ambitious hombre.

Kristofer

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