> Since this is an anime, I don't consider it cannon. Between the

numerous

> animes, mangas, and the God-awful Van Damme movie, there's too many
> contradictions, so I wouldn't put too much faith into this as the

"truth."

Ok! You're right about this. Mangas? Do you have any of them?

> >And in some of the SFAlpha 3 endings:
> >
> >SAGAT
> This is a hard point to argue. But take into account this, from the
> beginning of the fight with M. Bison when playing as Sagat:
>
> SAGAT: Did you really think that I would appreciate this? I wish to
> fight Ryu when he uses his true power from within.... I have no

need

> for your tampering and cheap tricks!
>
> This along proves that the only reason the power inside Ryu is
> Psycho power is because Bison "charged" him with Psycho power (as
> stated before Sagat's fight with Ryu). Furthermore, Sagat wishes a
> battle with Ryu's *true* power, meaning it isn't the psycho power.

Wait. I don't know if what I'll say is right, but...
It's said that every human being has psychic powers, and we just use
about 10%/12% of our brain capacity (I think that util here I'm
right).
Let's take that Bison uses 90% of his brain capacity (with all the
powers that he has and much, much more). No one could stand against
him, not even Ryu.
And besides, I don't thing that Bison learned how to use this power
by
himself (even in the RPG story he needs the Meteorite, if the
Meteorite is destroyed, Bison couldn't use his powers anymore). In
the
Alpha 3 storyline (the following story was released by capcom), he
made a "deal" with some kind of force/demon that "allowed" Bison to
use this "part of his brain" (those powers). But at a cost: his body
and soul (that's why he melts and explodes with Psycho Flames in
almost every ending). So he decided to cheat the "deal": by using
someone's body to share (or even transfer) part of the Psycho Power
that he receives. That's why he created Cammy, Juni and kidnapped
Juli
(It's not said about the other Dolls) but those girls can't host the
power. To heal his body and to have more "control" over Psycho Power,
he created the Psycho Drive, that works draining psychic force/power
from fighters, but what he could drain for the most expert of the
fighters was only fear, not hate to convert it into more Psycho
Power.
But even with the Psycho Drive, he couldn't control his power. The
only person in the world who can "host" his Psycho Power is Ryu, so
Bison wants to defeat Ryu and take over his body, by exchanging Ryu's
power with Psycho Power.

This you can clearly see in Ryu's ending from A3 when Bison says:
"You're destined to become my next host body...". I think that Psycho
Power is some kind of plague, that uses others body to become even
stronger, when this body is "lost", Psycho Power has to find another
body.

> I still don't believe it, and it will take a lot more solid proof

to

> make me believe it. I believe that Bison and Akuma are interested

in

> Ryu due to his potential power.

Akuma maybe, but not Bison... he wants Ryu's body and power as I said
before.

> Bison is *somewhat* interested in Ken, after all in SFA3,
> he does end up fighting Ken in order to find out the difference
> between him and Ryu.

Bison isn't interested in Ken. He used Ken as a bait to catch Ryu's
attention. That's why Ken was caught and brainwashed by Bison.

Vega

>Wait. I don't know if what I'll say is right, but...
>It's said that every human being has psychic powers, and we just use
>about 10%/12% of our brain capacity (I think that util here I'm
>right).
>Let's take that Bison uses 90% of his brain capacity (with all the
>powers that he has and much, much more). No one could stand against
>him, not even Ryu.
>And besides, I don't thing that Bison learned how to use this power
>by
>himself (even in the RPG story he needs the Meteorite, if the
>Meteorite is destroyed, Bison couldn't use his powers anymore). In
>the
>Alpha 3 storyline (the following story was released by capcom), he
>made a "deal" with some kind of force/demon that "allowed" Bison to
>use this "part of his brain" (those powers). But at a cost: his body
>and soul (that's why he melts and explodes with Psycho Flames in
>almost every ending). So he decided to cheat the "deal": by using
>someone's body to share (or even transfer) part of the Psycho Power
>that he receives. That's why he created Cammy, Juni and kidnapped
>Juli
>(It's not said about the other Dolls) but those girls can't host the
>power. To heal his body and to have more "control" over Psycho Power,
>he created the Psycho Drive, that works draining psychic force/power
>from fighters, but what he could drain for the most expert of the
>fighters was only fear, not hate to convert it into more Psycho
>Power.
>But even with the Psycho Drive, he couldn't control his power. The
>only person in the world who can "host" his Psycho Power is Ryu, so
>Bison wants to defeat Ryu and take over his body, by exchanging Ryu's
>power with Psycho Power.

Actually, the girls can host the Psycho Power. WEll, at the very least,
Cammy is able to. He talk of taking over her body as well, so that throws
out the explination that *only* Ryu can host it. And where can I find the
force/demon explination? You said it is from Capcom, but where can I see it?

>This you can clearly see in Ryu's ending from A3 when Bison says:
>"You're destined to become my next host body...". I think that Psycho
>Power is some kind of plague, that uses others body to become even
>stronger, when this body is "lost", Psycho Power has to find another
>body.

But there are other instances where he hints at taking over Cammy's body.
From Cammy's ending:

Bison: My body...will be lost.... But soon, I'll be back again.... Back...in
your mind...!

And from Vega's storyline:
Vega: Tell me.... That girl.... What are you going to do with her?
Bison: She is my substitute body made during the Psycho Power study. But the
substitute should never exceed the original. A doll should never have its
own
sense of self.

Bison plans on killing Cammy because of that, meaning that she has at least
as much power inside her as him. Note how he said *should* never exceed the
original.

And take this into account, from Vega's Ending:
Bison: Hee hee hee.... Never mind.... It's about time.... It's about time to
say
goodbye to this body. Until next time.... Possibly with a different name and
appearance than now...!!

This seems to mean that Bison is *not* restricted to just Ryu's and Cammy's
bodies.

>Akuma maybe, but not Bison... he wants Ryu's body and power as I said
>before.

It would seem to me that Akuma want's Ryu to give in to the evil power
inside him. And I didn't argue that Bison didn't want Ryu's body and power,
I am arguing that he is not restricted to using Ryu as a host body.

>Bison isn't interested in Ken. He used Ken as a bait to catch Ryu's
>attention. That's why Ken was caught and brainwashed by Bison.

That is true, and has been used in most of the different mangas and animes,
but also look at this:

Bison: I'll see how much difference there is between the two of you!

Like I said, he also wants to find out the power difference between the two.

Well, here he is. The man, the myth, the legend, the owner of only one
suspender.

Mike Haggar
Style: Sanbo

Strength 6
Dexterity 4
Stamina 5

Charisma 4
Manipulation 5
Appearance 2

Perception 4
Intelligence 2
Wits 4

Interrogate 3
Intimidate 4
Security 2
Style Lore 2
Drive 2
Medicine 1
Investigate 1
Arena 1
Leadership 5
Streetwise 4

Punch 4
Kick 3
Block 5
Grab 5
Athletics 3

Spinning Clothesline
Head Butt
Head Butt Hold
Pile Driver
Spinning Pile Driver
Jump
Air Smash
Suplex

Chi 2
Willpower 10
Health 19

Honor 8
Glory 9
Rank 7

Sha Long was amazed at the look of his opponent, it was so alien from his
own. He did seem to be an honorable warrior, however.
"Very well, I accept you challenge. After, no matter who wins the combat
between us, let's smoke your pipe of peace."

Sha Long accepts the challenge.

joespitt

----- Original Message -----
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To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:56 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Ghost Bear Challenges Sha Long


> A large Native American in para-military dress walks up to Shay Long. As
he
> crack his knuckles the sound revebrates throughout the chamber...
>
> "Maybe someday we may smoke a piece pipe together, but for now we must be
> opponents in combat befitting true warriors."
>
> "Shay Long is your name? The totem spirits of my tribe, and those of my
> brothers far to the north of my home have spoken. I, Ryan Ghost Bear
> challenge you."
>
> Jeff
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> Actually, the girls can host the Psycho Power. WEll, at the very
> least,

Yep, but not to maintain Psycho Power "alive", it's just a small part.

> Cammy is able to. He talk of taking over her body as well, so that
> throws out the explination that *only* Ryu can host it.

Sure that Cammy can host Psycho Power, she's M. Bison clone (I
believe this strongly).
Juni can host a little of power (her teleport and Psycho Streak
moves). What I mean is that only Ryu can host all the Psycho Power
from Bison's body.

> And where can I find the force/demon explination? You said it is
> from Capcom, but where can I see it?

It was from a book released in japan about the story of Capcom
characters.
It was released here in Brazil in the end of the last year (but only
the SFAlpha 3 part). I believe more in the Japanese Capcom than in
American Capcom (I don't believe in american Capcom... just a very
little bit, 1% from 1000%).
It even comes with some blueprints, and one of them is from the
Psycho
Drive (those are only sketches).

This part of the force/demon is very vague, we don't know if it's an
evil force, an alien, an demon etc.

> But there are other instances where he hints at taking over Cammy's
> body.
> From Cammy's ending:
>
> Bison: My body...will be lost.... But soon, I'll be back again....
> Back...in your mind...!
>
> And from Vega's storyline:
> Vega: Tell me.... That girl.... What are you going to do with her?
> Bison: She is my substitute body made during the Psycho Power

study.

> But the substitute should never exceed the original. A doll should
>

never have its own sense of self.

>
> Bison plans on killing Cammy because of that, meaning that she has
> at least as much power inside her as him. Note how he said *should*
> never exceed the original.
>
> And take this into account, from Vega's Ending:
> Bison: Hee hee hee.... Never mind.... It's about time.... It's

about

> time to say goodbye to this body. Until next time.... Possibly with
> a different name and appearance than now...!!
>
> This seems to mean that Bison is *not* restricted to just Ryu's and
> Cammy's bodies.

That's what I was saying. Psycho Power needs a host (no matter who).
Cammy surpassed Bison in her physical skills (not psychic, the only
psyhic skill that she surpassed him was from breaking the control
over
her mind). And in this sentence, we realize that's not Bison himself
who is speaking, but the Psycho Power.

See this dialogue from before Guy VS Bison:

M.Bison: Bushin Style... Ah. Now I recall what I've heard about that
name.
M.Bison: Bushin is a threat to my Psycho Power. It must be
exterminated.
M.Bison: You are disrupting our work... Leave here at once.
Guy: I can't. You are the "threat to the world" I was warned of.
M.Bison: I have gone by many different names throughout history.

Psycho Power could me the big baddies oof our history (like Hitler,
for example).

And also in Vega's ending what he wanted to say with:

Bison: Vega... You are making a vital mistake...
Bison: That girl... is a human weapon with the same DNA as myself...
Bison: Losing control will cause the "Psycho Drive" to run wild and..

What he wanted to say that Cammy was a human weapon? Just because she
has the same DNA of him?
And what he wanted to say with: Losing control will cause the "Psycho
Drive" to run wild and...

...and what?

We know that Bison doesn't depends of the Psycho Drive to life (Like
Charlie's ending, Charlie explodes the Psycho Drive, and Bison didn'y
die, he lost his immortality, but not his life), and
we know that Bison NEEDS of the Psycho Drive to live (like in
Zangief's ending). The Psycho Drive, together with the Psycho Power
grants him immortality. AS LONG AS HATE AND OTHER BAD FEELINGS EXIST.
Even Capcom make the story difficult to understand.

> >Akuma maybe, but not Bison... he wants Ryu's body and power as I

said

> >before.
>
>
> It would seem to me that Akuma want's Ryu to give in to the evil
> power inside him. And I didn't argue that Bison didn't want Ryu's >

body and power, I am arguing that he is not restricted to using Ryu

> as a host body.
>
> >Bison isn't interested in Ken. He used Ken as a bait to catch Ryu's
> >attention. That's why Ken was caught and brainwashed by Bison.
>
>
> That is true, and has been used in most of the different mangas and
> animes, but also look at this:
>
> Bison: I'll see how much difference there is between the two of you!
>
> Like I said, he also wants to find out the power difference between
> the two.

Sure, but Ryu's life is just Karate, Karate, Karate and Karate, Ken's
life isn't.

And... do you have any SF manga?

Vega

I personally don't think enyone should be able to just up and change their
styles, even getting to rank one requires YEARS of diligent study and
practice. I do LOVE Lua, but I don't think you should be able to switch to
it. The only style it says in the game you can switch to is Jeet Kune Do,
and I think it should remain that way. As we have it, the character (not
the player) has to see a reason to switch to Jeet Kune Do (more than "I
want a style with the dragon punch AND the scissor kick"). . . . .

> -SNK can't program control response worth crap

I think the controls on the KOF games are pretty much perfect. The Fatal
Fury wild ambition was a huge disappointment though. (More fun to watch
others play it actually - quite entertaining then.)

> -Capcom knows the definition of the word "sequel"...unlike SNK

Eh? SNK actually links games together with an ongoing story, unlike
Capcom which contradicts all previous games with each new game ^^;; Ala,
all of our Street Fighter "official story" debates.

I'd have thought only Capcom would be working on the arcade fighting
game. Too many chefs spoil the meal and all.

Both companies know what they're doing. I only hope that I've heard right
that Capcom games will look better than SFA3 on the Dreamcast and that
SNK will sometime soon actually redraw a KOF sequel so the graphics are
more impressive. I really just want another sequel to the Dark Stalkers
series though ^^

Tony

I really gotta take issue with that "Rank One = Black Belt" comment. A
rank one fighter may have one decent technique, but if the player
chooses not to specialize, his character will (going by the technique
rating descriptions in the book) be mediocre at best. Hardly a black
belt.

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:10 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?


I personally don't think enyone should be able to just up and change
their
styles, even getting to rank one requires YEARS of diligent study and
practice. I do LOVE Lua, but I don't think you should be able to switch
to
it. The only style it says in the game you can switch to is Jeet Kune
Do,
and I think it should remain that way. As we have it, the character (not
the player) has to see a reason to switch to Jeet Kune Do (more than "I
want a style with the dragon punch AND the scissor kick"). . . . .


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarstensen@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.


>
> I've got stats for Haggar if anyone wants them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Vernatter [mailto:devernatter@...]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:12 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
> >Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
> >
> >
> > >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> > >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
> >
> >
> >Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father. I've
> >heard
> >rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his sons, but
> I'm
> >not terribly sure about this.
> >One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's Ibuki is
> the
> >daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this firmly,
> >considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki sometimes
> >appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of returning
> >warriors? Let's hope so.
> >
> >Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar, of
> Final
> >Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure, he and
> >Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the Shotoclones!
> >
> Me too, I loved playing as Haggar in Final Fight but I never got a
> chance to
> play SlamMasters for the SuperNintendo, although I do have an article on
> it.
> It also stated that one of the main characters, Gunloc, was Guile's
> brother or something. Does anyone know if this is true? Also antoher
> character I'd like to see is Maki from Final Fight 2. In case noone
> knows
> about her she is part of Guy's ninja clan and fights pretty much the
> same as
> him except for a neat one handed cyclone kick (picture Chun Li's
> crouching
> roundhouse going around repeatedly). She also had long orange hair and
> had
> Guy's ninja uniform except that she had a miniskirt with a slit up the
> side
> and she had a smaller vest (can anyone say CLEAVAGE). She was pretty
> cool.
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--- brian fish <fishbn@...> wrote:

> I beat the game with Adon, and I'm pretty sure I remember him beating Sagat
> and basically posing and thinking what a good Muay Thai fighter he was. My
> favorite funny ending was R. Mika, anyone who finds Zangief attractive has
> problems, the guy is a shaved bear. . . . . . . .

I'd be careful throwing out comments like that. Remember, fish is one of the
staples of a bear's (shaved or otherwise) diet.

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Most black belts are not that impressive, and a lot of them are highly
specialized, it is possible to get a black belt in a lot of styles with
minimal skill, mostly if you can do the kata, you can have a black belt,
most styles do not require you to be even a decent fighter in order to get
one. I don't actually have the books on me, but I swear it says in there
somewhere that all rank one fighters are black belt equivalents. Yes they
may only have one good move, but looking at the moves that are "good" in
the book, it would be almost impossible to do most of them (with the
exception of jujitsu, I think I can actually do most, if not all of the
jujitsu moves). The "average" black belt (first degree, I'm not talking
about the upper level guys) would probably kick 2 or 3 (depending on art,
Karate more of a 2, TKD a 3), Punch of 1 or 2 (TKD probably a 1, Karate
more of a 2), Block 1 or 2 (most black belts only do blocks in kata, even
in styles where there is full contact sparring, they rarely block, and wear
so much padding, you can barely feel getting hit), and athletics 1 or 2 (no
grab for most black belts, they just don't train it in most striking
styles), this can vary greatly, but in general a black belt for a given style:

Karate: P2 K2 B2 A1 (only seven technique points)
TKD P1 K3 B1 A2 (also 7 technique points)
Jujitsu P2 K1 G3 A1 (7)
Hapkido P2 K2 G2 B1 A1 (8 points, but they're a well rounded style)

Note, it says in the book, 2 dots in kick is being able to put your leg
above your head and hold it, I don't know many people that can do that, but
I'm giving Karate and TKD the benefit of the doubt. . .

Also, this is in the spirit with techniques no higher than 3, it is
possible to get a black belt with different techniques, I can do all the
karate blocks, it doesn't mean I would ever use them, and since a black
belt id usually based on Kata, it is possible to get a black belt with very
little functional skill. . . .

What's he gonna do siberian supl. . . . . . .no, I didn't mean it, no I
think the scars really make you look manly, no it's. . . . . . . . . .. .
.. .......

Well, I'm tired about arguing about this, since it's just going to come out
that we have different opinions here. But here are a couple of things I want
to clear up:

>We know that Bison doesn't depends of the Psycho Drive to life (Like
>Charlie's ending, Charlie explodes the Psycho Drive, and Bison didn'y
>die, he lost his immortality, but not his life), and
>we know that Bison NEEDS of the Psycho Drive to live (like in
>Zangief's ending). The Psycho Drive, together with the Psycho Power
>grants him immortality. AS LONG AS HATE AND OTHER BAD FEELINGS EXIST.
>Even Capcom make the story difficult to understand.

This itself is a *biiiiig* contradiction by Capcom itself, and I'm not sure
you noticed it, considering you just said he doesn't depend on the Psycho
Drive for life but he needs the Psycho Drive to live. Zangief and Honda (in
Zangief's ending), destroy the Psycho Drive and Bison dies because of it. In
Charlie's ending, however, he bombs the Shadaloo base (certainly destroying
the Psycho Drive with it), then he has to kill Bison with the guns on his
Harrier jet. Oh well...Charlie's has got to be the most stupid ending in
Alpha 3...he doesn't die, and he gets rid of Bison by pumping him full of
rounds. Give me an ending where the fighter just beats the crap out of Bison
any day.

>And... do you have any SF manga?

I used to own a couple of issues, but I ended up selling them. I have
however seen about two or three different manga series based on Street
Fighter, English and Japanesse.

hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).

This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.

I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.


SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN-RRRRRYYYYYUUUUUUUU-KEENNN!!

sames powers? what ryu powers are different from bison. Ryu powers
came from a martial art called shotakan. Bison?? was born a freak
with those psyhco powers. Theirs no way they have the same power, of
course bison can unleash ryu hidden powers within which he become
evil like akuma(well not like akuma, but evil kinda a way), if u play
the game sf alpha3 with ryu u well see it!!

sames powers? what ryu powers are different from bison. Ryu powers
came from a martial art called shotakan. Bison?? was born a freak
with those psyhco powers. Theirs no way they have the same power, of
course bison can unleash ryu hidden powers within which he become
evil like akuma(well not like akuma, but evil kinda a way), if u play
the game sf alpha3 with ryu u well see it!!

We seem to have a close vote on crouching block, and the need for it in the
game. If you voted, please explain your reason for your vote for or against
the Crouching Block.

joespitt

actually, Sheng (Cheng) Long is Jackie Chan's Chinese name, and translates
to "Dragon Fist" (I think). Bit of an inside joke from the Capcom
programmers, there.

-----Original Message-----
From: david chance* <kinjin@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:34 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???

>hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
>ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
>finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
>him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
>having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
>good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
>and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
>(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
>the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
>fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).
>
>This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
>out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
>is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
>Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.
>
>I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
>as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
>selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
>director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
>the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
>charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.
>
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if there is a crouching block why wouldn't you just use it every time? That
way you'd get a soak bonus plus you'd be immune to most aerial attacks. It
would be too unbalancing and yet introducing it as a high cost, high
requirement block variant would be silly, considering it's just blocking
while ducking. If everyone feels they need it that strongly, then I'd say at
least dump the regular speed bonus for the next maneuver played to reflect
the extra time it would take to come out of the "Crouching Block" as opposed
to the standard "Block". I know it may seem tempting to just allow ia
crouching block for realism's sake but for the sake of game play I feel it's
better if such a maneuver wasn't made available.

Actually, his given name is Chan Kong-sang...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???


> actually, Sheng (Cheng) Long is Jackie Chan's Chinese name, and translates
> to "Dragon Fist" (I think). Bit of an inside joke from the Capcom
> programmers, there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david chance* <kinjin@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:34 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???
>
>
> >hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
> >ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
> >finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
> >him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
> >having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
> >good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
> >and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
> >(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
> >the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
> >fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).
> >
> >This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
> >out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
> >is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
> >Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.
> >
> >I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
> >as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
> >selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
> >director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
> >the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
> >charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.
> >
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BUT STEVVEE!!!!!
As good a job as you did (and of course you always do a bang-up job) or
replicating Mike H., you forgot his MOST IMPORTANT MOVE!!!!!!!

Buffalo punch.
<everyone laughs>

yeah, I know he'd never even miss the move, but I didn't understand the
concept of the Buff Pun, initially so my friend showed me it on FF1 for the
Super ness, and it all made perfect sense to me.
=)

Nailed him to a tee otherwise.....except maybe his intel.
Someone as dense as Balrog being mayor?
Well..... I live down near Miami, so I guess it's not to hard to believe.

^_~

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Mike Haggar
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:18:40 -0400
>
>Well, here he is. The man, the myth, the legend, the owner of only one
>suspender.
>
>Mike Haggar
>Style: Sanbo
>
>Strength 6
>Dexterity 4
>Stamina 5
>
>Charisma 4
>Manipulation 5
>Appearance 2
>
>Perception 4
>Intelligence 2
>Wits 4
>
>Interrogate 3
>Intimidate 4
>Security 2
>Style Lore 2
>Drive 2
>Medicine 1
>Investigate 1
>Arena 1
>Leadership 5
>Streetwise 4
>
>Punch 4
>Kick 3
>Block 5
>Grab 5
>Athletics 3
>
>Spinning Clothesline
>Head Butt
>Head Butt Hold
>Pile Driver
>Spinning Pile Driver
>Jump
>Air Smash
>Suplex
>
>Chi 2
>Willpower 10
>Health 19
>
>Honor 8
>Glory 9
>Rank 7
>

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> > -SNK can't program control response worth crap
>
>I think the controls on the KOF games are pretty much perfect. The Fatal
>Fury wild ambition was a huge disappointment though. (More fun to watch
>others play it actually - quite entertaining then.)

The KOF controls were decient. Capcom still (IMHO) is a head snd shoulders
above SNK in this dept.

> > -Capcom knows the definition of the word "sequel"...unlike SNK
>
>Eh? SNK actually links games together with an ongoing story, unlike
>Capcom which contradicts all previous games with each new game ^^;; Ala,
>all of our Street Fighter "official story" debates.

SNK went and redesigned the FIRST Fatal Fury game...but included ALL the
moves from EVERY game the charecters have EVER been in! Contradiction if
i've ever seen one.

>I'd have thought only Capcom would be working on the arcade fighting
>game. Too many chefs spoil the meal and all.

So would I...but that's not what's going on from what I've read. Someone
PLEASE prove me wrong.

>Both companies know what they're doing. I only hope that I've heard right
>that Capcom games will look better than SFA3 on the Dreamcast and that
>SNK will sometime soon actually redraw a KOF sequel so the graphics are
>more impressive. I really just want another sequel to the Dark Stalkers
>series though ^^

Wild Ambition sucked big time. The game play was average, but it didn't do
anything with the story, and they also made some mistakes that could have
been avoided easily.

If you read through the manual you find that they mis-translated some of the
special maneuvers. The voices (another SNK deficency) could have been worlds
better. I personally don't think that asking someone if i'm throwing a Power
Wave will make them flinch (maybe make them stare at you in awe for being a
moron...)

"Power Wave?" -Terry Bogard

Their biggest mistake was probably not using the Playstation's full
potential during the opening movie. First impressions count for a lot, and
the did a plain lousy job with it. While it looked OK visually, they only
took it's looks into account. Without verbal sound to get the story going,
someone who has no idea what's going on will still not have a clue when the
defeat the game. Just look at SOME of the cut sceans from FF8 and you'll see
what I mean.

I think what happened was that they were afraid that the movie would be too
short so they opted for a longer movie without verbal audio to save space
instead of risking going over the 650 MB limit. They could have done much
better with a 2:30 movie with audio. C'mon...it's only a minue and a half...

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Jeff Y wrote:

<< SNK went and redesigned the FIRST Fatal Fury game...but included ALL the
moves from EVERY game the charecters have EVER been in! Contradiction if
i've ever seen one. >>

Perhaps a contradiction, but a necessary one. When you buy a new game in a
fighting series, you want to use all the moves you're use to.

"Born in Hong Kong Chan", yes. However, it's not the name he goes by
now. His "stage name", if you will, is Cheng Long. I know that for a
fact because I once had a very amusing discussion with a Chinese friend
where I was unable to convey to her exactly *what* Chinese actor I was
such a big fan of.

Her: "Jackie Chan? Who's that?"
Me: "You've NEVER heard of Jackie Chan? You're kidding me!"
Her: "No, I'm not."
Me: "Supercop? Drunken Master? Rush Hour?"
Her: "No, I don't watch too many movies."

*half an hour and a photo of Jackie from the Internet later...*

Her: "Oh, HIM! That's Cheng Long."

Me: "Let me guess, you don't know who Bruce Lee is either?"
Her: "Who?"
Me: "Lee Shaolong?"
Her: "Oh, I know him! Yes, he's very good."

My wife supports her claims, and as my wife is a huge Jacki....er, Cheng
Long fan, I tend to believe her.

That reminds me. A note of trivia from my earlier discussion of the
whole Wu Shu/Kung Fu thing;

Kung Fu is indeed the Southern term, and Wu Shu the Northern. The
reason the Western world knows it as Kung Fu is because Bruce and Jackie
(China's most famous-to-the-West actors at the time) are from Southern
China.

Flame away kiddies, I'm crispy already.

-----Original Message-----
From: Soldar [mailto:soldar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:58 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Jackie


Actually, his given name is Chan Kong-sang...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???


> actually, Sheng (Cheng) Long is Jackie Chan's Chinese name, and
translates
> to "Dragon Fist" (I think). Bit of an inside joke from the Capcom
> programmers, there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: david chance* <kinjin@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:34 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???
>
>
> >hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
> >ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
> >finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
> >him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
> >having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
> >good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
> >and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
> >(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
> >the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
> >fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).
> >
> >This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
> >out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
> >is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
> >Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.
> >
> >I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
> >as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
> >selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
> >director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
> >the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
> >charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.
> >
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Hey, Intelligence 2 is average. He's not dimbulb material but he's no
genius either.

Hmm... Buffalo Punch. You're right, I *did* forget that one. It's been
a long time since I played my SNES...

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Johnston [mailto:dlatrex@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:50 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Mike Haggar


BUT STEVVEE!!!!!
As good a job as you did (and of course you always do a bang-up job) or
replicating Mike H., you forgot his MOST IMPORTANT MOVE!!!!!!!

Buffalo punch.
<everyone laughs>

yeah, I know he'd never even miss the move, but I didn't understand the
concept of the Buff Pun, initially so my friend showed me it on FF1 for
the
Super ness, and it all made perfect sense to me.
=)

Nailed him to a tee otherwise.....except maybe his intel.
Someone as dense as Balrog being mayor?
Well..... I live down near Miami, so I guess it's not to hard to
believe.

^_~

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Mike Haggar
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:18:40 -0400
>
>Well, here he is. The man, the myth, the legend, the owner of only one
>suspender.
>
>Mike Haggar
>Style: Sanbo
>
>Strength 6
>Dexterity 4
>Stamina 5
>
>Charisma 4
>Manipulation 5
>Appearance 2
>
>Perception 4
>Intelligence 2
>Wits 4
>
>Interrogate 3
>Intimidate 4
>Security 2
>Style Lore 2
>Drive 2
>Medicine 1
>Investigate 1
>Arena 1
>Leadership 5
>Streetwise 4
>
>Punch 4
>Kick 3
>Block 5
>Grab 5
>Athletics 3
>
>Spinning Clothesline
>Head Butt
>Head Butt Hold
>Pile Driver
>Spinning Pile Driver
>Jump
>Air Smash
>Suplex
>
>Chi 2
>Willpower 10
>Health 19
>
>Honor 8
>Glory 9
>Rank 7
>

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Speaking of Shen Long, I am pretty sure Akuma killed him, didn't it say
that in Akuma's story line somewhere??

Come on, it's not fair to compair ANY game to the opening sequence in
FFVIII. It is the single most awe inspiring opening I have ever seen to a
game (anyone who hasn't yet seen it, even the opening, has been severely
deprived). I think SNK Vs Capcom will look pretty good and fight pretty
good, if you look at King of Fighters dreammatch for the Dreamcast and SF
Alpha for playstation, the visuals for both games are nice (dreamcast is
admittably nicer, but come on). I think if they make the fighters unique
enough and keep everything even, it will be a fun game (SNK gets a little
happy with their combos and unblockables, where as capcom has always been a
more defensive minded, wait and counter type of system). . . . .

Ditto, I couldn;t have stated it better if I tried (so I didn't)

>if there is a crouching block why wouldn't you just use it every time? That
>way you'd get a soak bonus plus you'd be immune to most aerial attacks. It
>would be too unbalancing and yet introducing it as a high cost, high
>requirement block variant would be silly, considering it's just blocking
>while ducking. If everyone feels they need it that strongly, then I'd say

at

>least dump the regular speed bonus for the next maneuver played to reflect
>the extra time it would take to come out of the "Crouching Block" as opposed
>to the standard "Block". I know it may seem tempting to just allow ia
>crouching block for realism's sake but for the sake of game play I feel it's
>better if such a maneuver wasn't made available.
>

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> > -Capcom knows the definition of the word "sequel"...unlike SNK
>

SNK went and redesigned the FIRST Fatal Fury game...but included ALL the
moves from EVERY game the charecters have EVER been in! Contradiction if
i've ever seen one.

--Consider it an update I suppose. I never liked the Fatal Fury foreground and background style of fighting. If I could stand that gameplay, the game including everything from everything sounds like something I would like (much like KOF98 merely be a "fan" edition of the game, not really have a story but included most of the characters from the previous games).

--The new Fatal Fury game "Mark of the Wolves" (set 10 or so years in the future) is a game I'm very hyped to get. (Doesn't have the foreground/background fighting in it.)

>Wild Ambition sucked big time. The game play was average, but it didn't do

anything with the story, and they also made some mistakes that could have
been avoided easily.

-- I noticed the spelling errors. Several of the character's ending moving consist of nothing but a pose. Very disappointing. No frigging translation or subtitles of the ending movies either!
Knight of the Black Rose
"Until all is lost, personal holocaust,
Foreclosure of a Dream"

I caught a sneak preview of Shanghai Noon and highly recommend it to everyone. Made me wish there was a weapon technique called "Anything you can grab." Sort of like how Moo Gi Gong was described in Ninjas and Superspies.

Tony

In a message dated 5/24/00 11:31:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
anton_figueroa@... writes:

> I caught a sneak preview of Shanghai Noon and highly recommend it to
> everyone. Made me wish there was a weapon technique called "Anything you

can

> grab." Sort of like how Moo Gi Gong was described in Ninjas and Superspies.

How many people on this list have created odd wepon Techniques?

Mine: Luggage (a favorite of Managers), and Furniture (I have yet to actually
use this one).

> I caught a sneak preview of Shanghai Noon and highly
> recommend it to everyone. Made me wish there was a weapon
> technique called "Anything you can grab."

Sounds like a good addition to/replacement for musical accompaniment.

Call it "Props".

> Tony
>

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>
> How many people on this list have created odd wepon
> Techniques?
>
> Mine: Luggage (a favorite of Managers), and
> Furniture (I have yet to actually
> use this one).
>

Not odd weapon techniques per se, but one of the
players in our group is fond of odd weapons, usually
improvised from whatever's at hand. F'r instance,
last adventure, he "fireballed" a goon with a bic
lighter and a bottle of whiskey (the old firebreathing
trick), took out another goon's kidney with an ice
scoop found in motel ice machines, and sandblasted
another goon with an ABC type fire extinguisher. He
also has an electric guitar with a curved blade
mounted on the very bottom. I think our GM should
give him points towards the technique "Improvised
Weapons".

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Yea, I forced my GM to create an "Improvisational Weaponry" Technique
when I was playing basically the medieval equivalent of Jackie in his
game. Basically it allowed you to use anything you could get your hands
on as a weapon, using the dots in Improv. Weapons as your weapon
technique. Weapon stats were decided upon by the GM, although most used
the Club stats (+0/+2/+0 I think).

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Diemert [mailto:boomergold@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 1:19 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Wierd weapons

>
> How many people on this list have created odd wepon
> Techniques?
>
> Mine: Luggage (a favorite of Managers), and
> Furniture (I have yet to actually
> use this one).
>

Not odd weapon techniques per se, but one of the
players in our group is fond of odd weapons, usually
improvised from whatever's at hand. F'r instance,
last adventure, he "fireballed" a goon with a bic
lighter and a bottle of whiskey (the old firebreathing
trick), took out another goon's kidney with an ice
scoop found in motel ice machines, and sandblasted
another goon with an ABC type fire extinguisher. He
also has an electric guitar with a curved blade
mounted on the very bottom. I think our GM should
give him points towards the technique "Improvised
Weapons".

Josh

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Yeah, but in the video game you can crouch and block. Now if you took away
the speed bonus (great idea) and added in the fact that it can ONLY be
played as an abort Maneuver (that's 1 willpower per use there), I think that
the Maneuver would show some merit....

joespitt

You did a good job on Haggar, Steve, close to the one I have. I would have
given him a 3 Intelligence however, and there are a few changes, considering
I'm going to base him off of all the games I've seen him in (Final Fight 1,
2, and 3, Slammasters), and I'm going to fill in some spots in his
background since has never really been fleshed out (at least not that I'm
aware of).

>Hey, Intelligence 2 is average. He's not dimbulb material but he's no
>genius either.
>
>Hmm... Buffalo Punch. You're right, I *did* forget that one. It's been
>a long time since I played my SNES...
>

Thanks a ton for your help, Chris. I really appreciate it.

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Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:12 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Warrior's Pride Text

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I am now ready to recieve any submissions for WP #4. Please follow the
submission guidelines, but note that I am happy to receive submissions in
nearly any form. If I do happen to have a problem with a format, I'll
contact you and let you know.
I would like to see some movie or game reviews, and some Street Fighter-type
art. And of course, I am always looking for new fighters and teams, stables,
fiction, and anything else you can throw my way.

Nah why bother. A-isms are more rounded but X-ism do more damage.
Besides you cant airblock bison's super, s why be concerned about it.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:38:11 -0400
>
>
>Bison gave me no problems when I was using X-ism. You just need to play
>smarter. ;)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
>Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:35 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>
>
>X ism is a waste versus Bison though because you have no air blocking, I
>like X ism on some levels, but I think in order to unlock Shin Akuma you
>have to be at least level 8 in all three isms. I personally like A-ism
>the
>best because it is well rounded and you have the option of a few
>different
>supers. . . . .
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Hey Rinaldo.
I dont think Akuma saved him. I think akuma was more concerned about bison
and didnt care about adon.

>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Rumors.
>Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:04:33 -0300
>
> We talk much about Bison the bad guy of history but about Akuma I see
>strange fact he save Adon in the STF Alpha 3 ending (play with Adon) I
>think
>and think again and nothing I don�t see the reason somebody understand the
>reason?
>
>
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Dustin I would like to know where you got your information on Leee being
Gen's Son.
Ive searched the internet and sourcses for a long time and have not found
any information relating to that.

>From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
>
>
> >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
>
>
>Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father. I've
>heard
>rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his sons, but I'm
>not terribly sure about this.
>One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's Ibuki is the
>daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this firmly,
>considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki sometimes
>appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of returning
>warriors? Let's hope so.
>
>Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar, of Final
>Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure, he and
>Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the Shotoclones!
>

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Are you basing your information about Ryu's and Bison's energy from
Street Fighter V The tv series?

>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Rumors.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:51:22 -0000
>
>--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, brian fish <fishbn@e...> wrote:
> > Her ending from Alpha 3 (the only game she's appeared in that I
>know
>of),
> > he saved her life then they showed the picture of Zangief with the
>sparkle
> > thingies on it, it was freaky. . . . . .
>
>Sorry, I expressed myself wrongly. I was meaning about Chun Li
>feeling
>for Ryu.
>The only relation between Ryu and Chun-Li in Alpha 3 is at Ryu's
>ending when she says: "You will be stronger when I see you next...
>Won't you?" when Ryu is agonizing beacuse of Bison's Psycho Power.
>
>BTW, did you know that Bison's energy and Ryu's energy are the same.
>But one is the opposite the other.
>
>Vega/M. Bison
>

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I wouldnt put too much stock in SFV. Its very different from The games.
Buit your points in the game are true. I beleive this is more of a refernce
linking Akuma's power to bison's.
Hadou of murderous attempt is Akuma's area.
Its part of the plot developed from SFA2 and the supposed possible existence
of evil Ryu.

A few intersesting things about Akuma by the way.

1)The term Akuma means Demon in japanese as we know, but he also
bleeds green blood. His name might be truer than we suspect.

2)The instant hell murder(as ive heard it called) Or Shun goku satsu
in japanese, has the potential of killing the user along with the
subject. As well by Akuma's claim the more evil a person the greater
the effect of the Shun Goku Satsu.
*In game terms this might mean a person can add his honour score
to his soak.

>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Ryu & Bison: Same power.
>Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:30:15 -0000
>
> > I don't know what you could use to support that, I can see Evil Ryu
> > and Akuma having the same energy, and I can see Bison and Rose
> > having equal and opposite engery, but where do you get that Ryu and
> > Bison have the same energy except opposite?
>
>In one episode of Street Fighter II Victory, in one of the eps, Bison
>and Zolter are talking and one of them says that their energies are
>the same, but Ryu's energy comes from nature and Bison's energy comes
>from bad feelings (sadness, hate, etc).
>
>And in some of the SFAlpha 3 endings:
>
>SAGAT
>Bison: "Ha ha ha ha ha...! Even if my body is destroyed..."
>Bison: "My Psycho Power will not die!"
>Bison: "The power deep within Ryu is the ultimate form of Psycho
>Power!" [When he said: "the power deep within Ryu" he meant Evil Ryu,
>right?]
>Bison: "Witness it now...!"
>(Bison throws a lot of Psycho Shots at Ryu's fallen body.)
>Bison: "Ryu's body will be mine, once it gives in to the Psycho
>Power!"
>.....................
>(Ryu sends the Psycho Shots back to Bison)[See, why he didn't send it
>back by his Hadoken form]
>(Bison face melts)
>Bison: "That's impossible... A man cannot control such power!" [So he
>isn't a man, he isn't human, this throw the RPG story away for
>explain the SFZ series]
>
>SAKURA
>.....................
>Bison: "Unless I make Ryu's body mine..."
>Bison: "I will never achieve true power!"
>.....................
>(Bison punches Sakura, I LOVE IT!!!! Ryu gets mad.)
>Bison: "Hm, hm, hm... Did you get mad? Do you care for this young
>girl?"
>Bison: "Yes! Hate me! Detest me! Your secret power..."
>Bison: "'Hado of Murderous Intent...' Show me this move, Ryu!!"
>Sakura: "'Murderous Hado...?!'"
>(Ryu hits Bison)
>Bison: "What?"
>Bison: "The 'Hado of Murderous Intent...' is kindered to Psycho
>Power!"
>Bison: "Why does he refuse it?!"
>(Bison in flames)
>Bison: "Wh...Why?! I don't believe this!"
>(Bison exploding)
>Bison: "Oh... Noooo!!"
>
>
>Those are the ones that I remember.
>Did you never realised it? That's why Bison has this obssession for
>Ryu. They have the same inner power. Bison could get Ken or Akuma's
>body, but those don't have the same "configurantion" of Bison.
>
>Maybe the new serie STREET FIGHTER ZERO - THE ANIMATION could explain
>this.
>
>Vega
>
>
>
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--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, "Robert Pascuttini"
<rpascuttini@h...> wrote:

> Are you basing your information about Ryu's and Bison's energy from
> Street Fighter V The tv series?

Yes, and from the endings from SFA3.

> >From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@u...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Rumors.
> >Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:51:22 -0000
> >
> >--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, brian fish <fishbn@e...> wrote:
> > > Her ending from Alpha 3 (the only game she's appeared in that I
> >know
> >of),
> > > he saved her life then they showed the picture of Zangief with

the

> >sparkle
> > > thingies on it, it was freaky. . . . . .
> >
> >Sorry, I expressed myself wrongly. I was meaning about Chun Li
> >feeling
> >for Ryu.
> >The only relation between Ryu and Chun-Li in Alpha 3 is at Ryu's
> >ending when she says: "You will be stronger when I see you next...
> >Won't you?" when Ryu is agonizing beacuse of Bison's Psycho Power.
> >
> >BTW, did you know that Bison's energy and Ryu's energy are the

same.

> >But one is the opposite the other.
> >
> >Vega/M. Bison
> >
>
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Ok Im have to get something off my chest. There is no Shen Long. Shen long
is chinese(long meaning dragon) just like Fei Long Translates to flying
dragon.

and I personally think that if master gouki was a character. He would be
another shoto-clone with a few extra moves, but he would not be more
powerful than Akuma.

>From: "david chance*" <kinjin@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:36:19 -0000
>
>hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
>ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
>finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
>him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
>having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
>good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
>and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
>(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
>the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
>fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).
>
>This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
>out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
>is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
>Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.
>
>I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
>as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
>selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
>director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
>the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
>charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.
>
>
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> Nah why bother. A-isms are more rounded but X-ism do more damage.
> Besides you cant airblock bison's super, so why be concerned about
> it.

Shadaloo-ism is the more powerful ism.

Vega

> >From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@c...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
> >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:38:11 -0400
> >
> >
> >Bison gave me no problems when I was using X-ism. You just need

to
play

> >smarter. ;)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@e...]
> >Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:35 PM
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
> >
> >
> >X ism is a waste versus Bison though because you have no air

blocking, I

> >like X ism on some levels, but I think in order to unlock Shin

Akuma you

> >have to be at least level 8 in all three isms. I personally like

A-ism

> >the
> >best because it is well rounded and you have the option of a few
> >different
> >supers. . . . .
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I agree. Gouki is probably pushing 90 by now. Even if he knew every
move available to Shotokan and had eights across the board in Technique,
his low physical Attributes would kill his damage pools. Kinda like
Master Xaudo in The Perfect Warrior. Akuma, on the other hand, is still
"young" and strong.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pascuttini [mailto:rpascuttini@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:47 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???


Ok Im have to get something off my chest. There is no Shen Long. Shen
long
is chinese(long meaning dragon) just like Fei Long Translates to flying
dragon.

and I personally think that if master gouki was a character. He would be

another shoto-clone with a few extra moves, but he would not be more
powerful than Akuma.

Lee shaolong?? I only knew him as bruce lee and Lee Jun Fan.

>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Jackie
>Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:09:29 -0400
>
>
>"Born in Hong Kong Chan", yes. However, it's not the name he goes by
>now. His "stage name", if you will, is Cheng Long. I know that for a
>fact because I once had a very amusing discussion with a Chinese friend
>where I was unable to convey to her exactly *what* Chinese actor I was
>such a big fan of.
>
>Her: "Jackie Chan? Who's that?"
>Me: "You've NEVER heard of Jackie Chan? You're kidding me!"
>Her: "No, I'm not."
>Me: "Supercop? Drunken Master? Rush Hour?"
>Her: "No, I don't watch too many movies."
>
>*half an hour and a photo of Jackie from the Internet later...*
>
>Her: "Oh, HIM! That's Cheng Long."
>
>Me: "Let me guess, you don't know who Bruce Lee is either?"
>Her: "Who?"
>Me: "Lee Shaolong?"
>Her: "Oh, I know him! Yes, he's very good."
>
>My wife supports her claims, and as my wife is a huge Jacki....er, Cheng
>Long fan, I tend to believe her.
>
>That reminds me. A note of trivia from my earlier discussion of the
>whole Wu Shu/Kung Fu thing;
>
>Kung Fu is indeed the Southern term, and Wu Shu the Northern. The
>reason the Western world knows it as Kung Fu is because Bruce and Jackie
>(China's most famous-to-the-West actors at the time) are from Southern
>China.
>
>Flame away kiddies, I'm crispy already.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Soldar [mailto:soldar@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:58 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Jackie
>
>
>Actually, his given name is Chan Kong-sang...
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 11:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???
>
>
> > actually, Sheng (Cheng) Long is Jackie Chan's Chinese name, and
>translates
> > to "Dragon Fist" (I think). Bit of an inside joke from the Capcom
> > programmers, there.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: david chance* <kinjin@...>
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:34 PM
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Is time for sheng long to appear???
> >
> >
> > >hey guys sf 2 is one of my best fighting game? Sheng long is ryu and
> > >ken sensei who died after they left, killed by akuma(shin gouki)
> > >finish him off with the raging demon, I heard that they might bring
> > >him in sf 3 series (thank god bison died). That would be cool though
> > >having sheng and akuma duel it out! now that, thats what I call a
> > >good fight same powers different technique, but what heck even ryu
> > >and ken can play in this role like help him out defeating akuma
> > >(beside akuma is not that powerful maybe he is, but sheng long in it
> > >the new sf 3 would change forever). I wonder sf3 should have more
> > >fighting people!! not like dark stalkers charcaters(shit).
> > >
> > >This sf series is a long storyline, I wonder when ryu and ken found
> > >out who's the best! I think ryu is the best fighter then ken is, ken
> > >is just damn too fast, but does more flashy moves. ken's ok I guess.
> > >Ryu strong(slow, but powerful) and does more super moves.
> > >
> > >I wish those stupid movie director made a better sf movie, van dame
> > >as guile(shit) as the main charcater(shit) ryu and ken bunch of thugs
> > >selling craps!! ha-ha totally stupid!!! didn't those movie s.o.b
> > >director read the manga comic series or play the games?? I have seen
> > >the japanese sf movie and its a damn good movie ryu and ken main
> > >charcater and guile well let say he got his butt kick by bison!!.
> > >
> > >
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