I know what your saying but i would like to Know whats
what.

Cliff
--- Steve Karstensen
<skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> why don't you just decide how you want it for YOUR
> game world and who
> CARES what's considered official? I've wrought holy
> hell with many
> established characters' storylines and added
> entirely new elements, as
> any good gamemaster should. In my world, United
> Enforcement is just as
> big an enemy as Shadoloo, and I've named Vermilion
> (of Battle Arena
> Toshinden) as Triat leader for North America instead
> of that fellow
> whose name I forget listed in Secrets of Shadoloo.
> It's YOUR game. Do
> what you want with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cliff rice [mailto:shinzite@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:36 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Contradictions.
>
>
> To hell with CAPCOM and WHITE-WOLF. WE should all
> get
> togeather and decide how it go's im sick of all the
> contradicting crap. We should just sit down and
> decide.
> Mabt we could make a pole or something?
>
> Cliff
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Streetfighter: The masters secret's

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Cliff

Cybernetics: Cybernetic Systems

Honor: I have eliminated the cyborg background from my
games (It is too unbalancing) but I do allow Cyborg
characters. Here is how I do it. Once again you spend
freebie points (costs are listed below.) at character
creation. Each 5-freebie points spent on cybernetics
(Round fractions up to the nearest Multiple of five)
they must earn an extra Honor point to actually record
a temporary one down so if someone has 10 freebies
worth of Hardware they would have to earn two honor
before they could mark down one temporary point.

Chi: Most pieces of Hardware run on the body's natural
flow of energy so reduce the characters effective chi
by one. This isn't actually a lost chi point it is
just constantly being occupied by the implants power
requirements. An added benefit is that that chi point
mat never be spent or drained away. Characters with
10 + points of hardware require 1 extra chi point
taken up.

Enough Limitations time for some butt kicking!

Modified freebie costs for Cyborgs:
Attributes: (3) this represents Muscle implants,
Toughened bones. Microchips in the brain to enhance
intelligence. That sort of thing virtually any
attribute may be affected. Health also follows into
this category.

Abilities: (1) these are chips with certain skills
programmed into them.

All other costs normal.

Hardware:
Enhanced senses: (2 each.) You have some sort of
enhanced cyber sense, Each one adds 1 dice to
perception
Tests.

Rocket punches or kicks: (4) Either your basic punches
or kicks are at +1 speed and +2 damage.
Cost: 1 chi.

Integral weapon: (Varies) The cost is equal to the
damage bonus but is always at least one a ranged
weapon costs an extra 2 points.

Reflex enhancements: (6) All Non focus based speeds
are at +1 and you may tag on an extra fourth move onto
a combo with the normal experience costs.

Armor: (2 per extra soak dice up to +3.) It should be
noted that if armor is the only piece of hardware the
character has the chi rule above is waved.

Adrenaline Booster: (5) For one Chi point your moves
have a +1 to speed, damage and movement. Except for
moves with "Set" movement rated like most grabs (E.g.
A move of ONE is not appropriate but a move OF +1 is.)

There is defiantly more cyber implants out there but
this is just a guideline.


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Cybernetics: Cybernetic Systems

Honor: I have eliminated the cyborg background from my
games (It is too unbalancing) but I do allow Cyborg
characters. Here is how I do it. Once again you spend
freebie points (costs are listed below.) at character
creation. Each 5-freebie points spent on cybernetics
(Round fractions up to the nearest Multiple of five)
they must earn an extra Honor point to actually record
a temporary one down so if someone has 10 freebies
worth of Hardware they would have to earn two honor
before they could mark down one temporary point.

Chi: Most pieces of Hardware run on the body's natural
flow of energy so reduce the characters effective chi
by one. This isn't actually a lost chi point it is
just constantly being occupied by the implants power
requirements. An added benefit is that that chi point
mat never be spent or drained away. Characters with
10 + points of hardware require 1 extra chi point
taken up.

Enough Limitations time for some butt kicking!

Modified freebie costs for Cyborgs:
Attributes: (3) this represents Muscle implants,
Toughened bones. Microchips in the brain to enhance
intelligence. That sort of thing virtually any
attribute may be affected. Health also follows into
this category.

Abilities: (1) these are chips with certain skills
programmed into them.

All other costs normal.

Hardware:
Enhanced senses: (2 each.) You have some sort of
enhanced cyber sense, Each one adds 1 dice to
perception
Tests.

Rocket punches or kicks: (4) Either your basic punches
or kicks are at +1 speed and +2 damage.
Cost: 1 chi.

Integral weapon: (Varies) The cost is equal to the
damage bonus but is always at least one a ranged
weapon costs an extra 2 points.

Reflex enhancements: (6) All Non focus based speeds
are at +1 and you may tag on an extra fourth move onto
a combo with the normal experience costs.

Armor: (2 per extra soak dice up to +3.) It should be
noted that if armor is the only piece of hardware the
character has the chi rule above is waved.

Adrenaline Booster: (5) For one Chi point your moves
have a +1 to speed, damage and movement. Except for
moves with "Set" movement rated like most grabs (E.g.
A move of ONE is not appropriate but a move OF +1 is.)

There is defiantly more cyber implants out there but
this is just a guideline.


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Cybernetics: Cybernetic Systems

Honor: I have eliminated the cyborg background from my
games (It is too unbalancing) but I do allow Cyborg
characters. Here is how I do it. Once again you spend
freebie points (costs are listed below.) at character
creation. Each 5-freebie points spent on cybernetics
(Round fractions up to the nearest Multiple of five)
they must earn an extra Honor point to actually record
a temporary one down so if someone has 10 freebies
worth of Hardware they would have to earn two honor
before they could mark down one temporary point.

Chi: Most pieces of Hardware run on the body's natural
flow of energy so reduce the characters effective chi
by one. This isn't actually a lost chi point it is
just constantly being occupied by the implants power
requirements. An added benefit is that that chi point
mat never be spent or drained away. Characters with
10 + points of hardware require 1 extra chi point
taken up.

Enough Limitations time for some butt kicking!

Modified freebie costs for Cyborgs:
Attributes: (3) this represents Muscle implants,
Toughened bones. Microchips in the brain to enhance
intelligence. That sort of thing virtually any
attribute may be affected. Health also follows into
this category.

Abilities: (1) these are chips with certain skills
programmed into them.

All other costs normal.

Hardware:
Enhanced senses: (2 each.) You have some sort of
enhanced cyber sense, Each one adds 1 dice to
perception
Tests.

Rocket punches or kicks: (4) Either your basic punches
or kicks are at +1 speed and +2 damage.
Cost: 1 chi.

Integral weapon: (Varies) The cost is equal to the
damage bonus but is always at least one a ranged
weapon costs an extra 2 points.

Reflex enhancements: (6) All Non focus based speeds
are at +1 and you may tag on an extra fourth move onto
a combo with the normal experience costs.

Armor: (2 per extra soak dice up to +3.) It should be
noted that if armor is the only piece of hardware the
character has the chi rule above is waved.

Adrenaline Booster: (5) For one Chi point your moves
have a +1 to speed, damage and movement. Except for
moves with "Set" movement rated like most grabs (E.g.
A move of ONE is not appropriate but a move OF +1 is.)

There is defiantly more cyber implants out there but
this is just a guideline.


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Note that I am working on a Cybernetics article for the next Warrior's
Pride, which I've mentioned on the list before. I do -not- want to be
thought of as stealing anyon'es work, and I am most definately not. I just
want to make this clear before next month's issue, so that I am not accused
of stealing the work then.

-----Original Message-----
From: cliff rice <shinzite@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:53 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] (unknown)

> Here is an exerpt from my streetfighter suplement.
>Streetfighter: The masters secret's
>
>E-mail me back and tell me what yall think.
>
>Cliff
>
>Cybernetics: Cybernetic Systems
>
>Honor: I have eliminated the cyborg background from my
>games (It is too unbalancing) but I do allow Cyborg
>characters. Here is how I do it. Once again you spend
>freebie points (costs are listed below.) at character
>creation. Each 5-freebie points spent on cybernetics
>(Round fractions up to the nearest Multiple of five)
>they must earn an extra Honor point to actually record
> a temporary one down so if someone has 10 freebies
>worth of Hardware they would have to earn two honor
>before they could mark down one temporary point.
>
>Chi: Most pieces of Hardware run on the body's natural
>flow of energy so reduce the characters effective chi
>by one. This isn't actually a lost chi point it is
>just constantly being occupied by the implants power
>requirements. An added benefit is that that chi point
>mat never be spent or drained away. Characters with
>10 + points of hardware require 1 extra chi point
>taken up.
>
>Enough Limitations time for some butt kicking!
>
>Modified freebie costs for Cyborgs:
>Attributes: (3) this represents Muscle implants,
>Toughened bones. Microchips in the brain to enhance
>intelligence. That sort of thing virtually any
>attribute may be affected. Health also follows into
>this category.
>
>Abilities: (1) these are chips with certain skills
>programmed into them.
>
>All other costs normal.
>
>Hardware:
>Enhanced senses: (2 each.) You have some sort of
>enhanced cyber sense, Each one adds 1 dice to
>perception
>Tests.
>
>Rocket punches or kicks: (4) Either your basic punches
>or kicks are at +1 speed and +2 damage.
>Cost: 1 chi.
>
>Integral weapon: (Varies) The cost is equal to the
>damage bonus but is always at least one a ranged
>weapon costs an extra 2 points.
>
>Reflex enhancements: (6) All Non focus based speeds
>are at +1 and you may tag on an extra fourth move onto
>a combo with the normal experience costs.
>
>Armor: (2 per extra soak dice up to +3.) It should be
>noted that if armor is the only piece of hardware the
>character has the chi rule above is waved.
>
>Adrenaline Booster: (5) For one Chi point your moves
>have a +1 to speed, damage and movement. Except for
>moves with "Set" movement rated like most grabs (E.g.
>A move of ONE is not appropriate but a move OF +1 is.)
>
>There is defiantly more cyber implants out there but
>this is just a guideline.
>
>
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I just bought Street Fighter Zero - The Animation. It's pretty cool,
it's like SFII V, a series of episodes telling the story of Ryu, Ken
and... Gouki/Akuma. The story begins with Chun-Li after some thugs,
Ryu appears and defeat them, Chun-Li and Sakura are amazed with Ryu's
skills. After she comes back to "Interpol" HQ (? I don't understand
japanese, I think that's Interpol) she searches for Ryu's profile,
when her partner asks who's the guy, she is very embarassed.
Ryu is on his way to his haouse on the mountains when he's
transported
to a place where he confronts Rose, they fight a little and Rose
tells
something bad will happen to him.
After his fight with Rose, Ryu mets Ken and they visit Gouken's grave.
Ken leaves Ryu alone, but Ryu suffers from the energy of the
"Messatsu No Hado" (?) and Ryu faints. Ken helps him to wake up when
they realized that there is a boy watching them.
This boy, called Shun, seems to be Ryu's brother (It seems that
Shun is Ryu's brother because Shun shows Ryu a picture with a boy
and a woman, maybe Ryu's mother, but I could be wrong). Ryu decide to
take care of Shun and train him in the at of the Shotokan Karate
(but it seems that Shun knows a bit of karate, he fights a little
with Ryu).
Meanwhile, Sakura and Ken are after Ryu.
In that night, Ryu suffers again with the energy of the "Messatsu
No Hado". Ken tries to help him but Ryu attacks him fiercely with
some
Hadoukens.
After Ken punches him, Ryu turn back to normal.
On the other day, Sakura gets in trouble and Ken saves her.
Ryu and Shun are wandering in a alley when some bad guys tries to
"teach them a lesson". Shun defeats all them but starts to loose his
control over the fights, so Ryu stops him by punching him. Chun-Li
mets them and leads them to a building where a secret fights happens.
Ken and Sakura gets there too.
Shun will fight with Zangief, Shun becames the fight with great
advantage, but he's badly beaten when Zangief attacks him. Shun
manifests the Messatsu No Hado energy. Shun lost the fight and Ryu
fight Zangief, he releases the Messatsu No Hado energgy and with a
powerful Hadoken destroys almost the entire building. When the dust
clears, Ryu is holding Shun. And the first episode finishes here...

Chun-Li's drawning and Rose drawning are very ugly, Sakura and Kei
are
very cute.
Ryu and Ken seems to be more Japanese faces.

I know that this is off topic but I though that you would like to
know.

Vega

All right I can wait much time but I feel a litle guilty complex in hold the
tournament for much time all right I have 11 fighters from persons and 3 npc´s
so I want 16 fighters to start rest 2 places. I want get start in the next
weekend and make the randon selection of who fight with who, If I don´t get any
people I just put 2 npc´s thanks for the attention.
In next weekend (saturday or sunday) I will set the fights who fight against
who and work in a some tournament background like in the Gateway tournament.
Some things isn´t clear but I want solve any doubt.
Ex:
All characters appear alone in the island.
Nobody have any type of weapon.
Characters carrying only clothes (wearing).
And people with Music Acompaniment don´t worry the Guardian power will make
each fighter hear his music.

>>His eyes have no pupils and he laughs maniacally whenever he does
>>damage,

Duh, when I have any fight in my school, I laughs maniacally when I
do
damage in my school enemys. It's perfectly normal.

>>how EXACTLY can she not realize he's evil??

Well, first of all, lets go back to 1991, when you faces M. Bison he
has pupils, this was changed in 1993 in Super Street Fighter 2.

>I don't believe she's dead. At the end of SFA3, Guy takes her away
>and says she's still alive. (What was her ending in the ther games?

I

>never saw them.) I know she dies in Bison's ending, but like most of
>his endings, I assumed those were merely fanciful "what if evil wins"
>endings.

Maybe, but in SF2 Turbo, it says that Bison spreaded destruction and
fear in the world a sometime ago, he could have won SFA3.
And Rose never was mentioned in SF2 series.

>I hate the Meterorite Explaination.

The Meteorite Explanation isn't official (I don't think that this
come from Capcom of Japan, but from Capcom of US). It fits well in
the
Sf 2 series but not in the Alpha series

In Alpha, no one knows how he gained his powers, but his body can't
hold more energy, so he needs Ryu's power.

>My explaination is: Bison and Rose were members of an order

dedicated

>to Psychic power. They were working as a pair, and each teaching the
>other, until at some point they were faced with a difficult moral
>choice. One choice leads to another, and another.... ("For want of a
>nail", "Slippery slope", "Domino Effect"; whatever you want to call
>it).
>The Chain Reaction ended with Rose wrecked by Guilt, the Order in
>ruins, and Bison Turning ever-inward, seeking some justification,

but

>instead unlocking a Dark side of his Powers.

Good explanation. But it was Bison who teachs Rose.

>I never heard that they were cousins, and would love to know your
>source on it.

I heard that too, but I think that this isn't true. Nothing is said
about it in the games.

>(Of course, even if they were, that doesn't mean they >KNEW...). I
>prefer to think of Bison as a man who faced his inner >demons and
>lost, rather than "Meteor Power".

Another story that I heard about the origin of Bison's powers. Bison
and his soldier buddies, entered inside of a cavern, there, they have
found a treasure, but with this, they released a Psychic
god, Cali (creature, demon or god). All Bison's mate were killed by
this force, but Bison could defeat it and take those Psychic powers
to
him, but he became evil.

>Doesn't that explanation basically ignore the previous explanation:
>That Bison was a colonel or something in the Russian military who
>helped set up a government in Asia??

This is in the RPG, not in the game, even his base is for the RPG
only. This isn't from the game, so it couldn't be true.

>Yeah the psychic order theory is sound. the russians were trying to
>use psychics to spy during the cold war. read the book by willian
>dick called the new solviet psychic phenomonon.

This is true? Well, I'm gonna become a russian soldier, he, he, he.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

>Maby that was the solviet group rose and bison belonged to.

Ocourding

>to the book many people waent mad trying to master their pstchic
>powers (Maby Power Mad...Hmmmm)This theory is much cooler than. Look
>i found a plutoneium mine better go in "Gasp" wow a big glowing
>meteior aint it shiny. theory

Maybe....

Vega

| I know that this is off topic but I though that you would like to
| know.

Not off topic in my opinion. I didn't know they made a movie out of this.
Thanks a buch, now I've got to go find it.

_______________________________________________________
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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson

> | I know that this is off topic but I though that you would like to
> | know.
>
> Not off topic in my opinion. I didn't know they made a movie out of

this.

> Thanks a buch, now I've got to go find it.

It's not a movie. It's like Street Fighter 2 Victory, a series of
episodes, for now, just the first episode was made.

Vega

| It's not a movie. It's like Street Fighter 2 Victory, a series of
| episodes, for now, just the first episode was made.

Even better.
I hope it's not as hard to find as the SFIIV series was. Is there anywhere
online where I can go take a look at what it's all about?

_______________________________________________________
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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson

> | It's not a movie. It's like Street Fighter 2 Victory, a series of
> | episodes, for now, just the first episode was made.
>
> Even better.
> I hope it's not as hard to find as the SFIIV series was. Is there
>anywhere online where I can go take a look at what it's all about?

I'll reopen my Street Fighter site called: Shadaloo Headquarters in
the beginning of June. I'll upload the entire ep in Real Player
format (for all the SF series, SFII Victory, SF Game and SFZERO
series). Unfortunately SF Game series will be incomplete, because I
don't have 2 eps.

Vega

Hmmm... Do you roll for each round or only once??
I'd go for each round IF the opponent moved after last roll...
I liked the Idea..

----Ronin-----



--

On Wed, 17 May 2000 20:59:27 Dustin Wolfe wrote:
In the Player's Guide, Air Blast mentions a successful Blind Fighting roll
(Perception + Blind Fighting). In my chronicles, Blind Fighting is used to
only acertain the location of the opponent. As long as it is successful,
then attacks can be made as normal.


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We talk much about Bison the bad guy of history but about Akuma I see
strange fact he save Adon in the STF Alpha 3 ending (play with Adon) I think
and think again and nothing I don´t see the reason somebody understand the
reason?

Someone known what happen with SF 1 people you known Joe, Geki, Lee and
Eagle? I heard many versions of what happen to them.

I beat the game with Adon, and I'm pretty sure I remember him beating Sagat
and basically posing and thinking what a good Muay Thai fighter he was. My
favorite funny ending was R. Mika, anyone who finds Zangief attractive has
problems, the guy is a shaved bear. . . . . . . .

I've already started doing that....

----- Original Message -----
From: cliff rice <shinzite@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Contradictions.


> To hell with CAPCOM and WHITE-WOLF. WE should all get
> togeather and decide how it go's im sick of all the
> contradicting crap. We should just sit down and
> decide.
> Mabt we could make a pole or something?
>
> Cliff
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Common..... cause it's awful to have an incomplete game system. Yeeesssss,
we know that you can decide on your own, but you hate to feel like your game
isn't "right". Not that there is such a thing if your game works for you,
but yet that nasty feeling keeps creeping up no matter what. So voting and
seeing the "majority opinion" isn't really a bad thing if it will make us
more comfortable using our own house rules. =)

joespitt

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Contradictions.


>
> why don't you just decide how you want it for YOUR game world and who
> CARES what's considered official? I've wrought holy hell with many
> established characters' storylines and added entirely new elements, as
> any good gamemaster should. In my world, United Enforcement is just as
> big an enemy as Shadoloo, and I've named Vermilion (of Battle Arena
> Toshinden) as Triat leader for North America instead of that fellow
> whose name I forget listed in Secrets of Shadoloo. It's YOUR game. Do
> what you want with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cliff rice [mailto:shinzite@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:36 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Contradictions.
>
>
> To hell with CAPCOM and WHITE-WOLF. WE should all get
> togeather and decide how it go's im sick of all the
> contradicting crap. We should just sit down and
> decide.
> Mabt we could make a pole or something?
>
> Cliff
>
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>We talk much about Bison the bad guy of history but about Akuma I see
>strange fact he save Adon in the STF Alpha 3 ending (play with Adon)
>I think and think again and nothing I don´t see the reason

somebody

>understand the reason?

Akuma didn't save Adon. Bison hit him with his Super Psycho Crusher
and Adon fainted. After that, Akuma killed Bison.
There are some reasons for it:
1: Akuma was watching Adon all the time, and decided to "help" him by
doing the Shungokusatsu at Bison.
2: Akuma wanted to kill Adon too, but he though that he was dead.
3: When Bison said: "I fear nothing! Not even death!!" Akuma decided
to teach him a lesson, meaning that he should fear death.

There could be more reasons, but.... after Akuma killed Bison, why he
surrounded the Psycho Drive Base?


Vega

> Someone known what happen with SF 1 people you known Joe, Geki, Lee
> and Eagle? I heard many versions of what happen to them.

I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.

Vega

> I beat the game with Adon, and I'm pretty sure I remember him
> beating Sagat and basically posing and thinking what a good Muay >

Thai fighter he was.

This was in Adon's SFZ and SFZ2 ending. Not SFZ3.

> My favorite funny ending was R. Mika, anyone who finds Zangief
> attractive has problems, the guy is a shaved bear. . . . . . . .

Hmmm... the feeling that R.Mika feels for Zangief isn't the same that
Sakura feels for Ryu. I think they just admire their fighting and
wants to be just like them.

Vega

I think the feeling R. Mika feels for Zangief is the Chun Li for Ryu thing
(I know they never actually say she has a thing for him, but COME ON!),
just look at the way he is depicted in her ending, I have no doubt at all,
she has a thing for him and it's beyond hero worship. . . .

>I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
>So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.

Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father. I've heard
rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his sons, but I'm
not terribly sure about this.
One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's Ibuki is the
daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this firmly,
considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki sometimes
appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of returning
warriors? Let's hope so.

Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar, of Final
Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure, he and
Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the Shotoclones!

> I think the feeling R. Mika feels for Zangief is the Chun Li for

Ryu
thing

> (I know they never actually say she has a thing for him, but COME

ON!),

> just look at the way he is depicted in her ending, I have no doubt

at all,

> she has a thing for him and it's beyond hero worship. . . .

Ending? From what version/game?

Vega

> Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar,
> of Final Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game?
> Sure, he and Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all
> the Shotoclones!

Ok, I don't know if this is true but here we go.
I saw in GameSages Site (a site with tips and tricks) that it was
possible to play with Mike Haggar in the arcade version of SFZero
(japanese version only). I tried it a lot of times but this never
worked.

Mike Haggar is also in the brzilian 3D&T version of Street Fighter
Zero 3.

Vega

Her ending from Alpha 3 (the only game she's appeared in that I know of),
he saved her life then they showed the picture of Zangief with the sparkle
thingies on it, it was freaky. . . . . .

--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, brian fish <fishbn@e...> wrote:

> Her ending from Alpha 3 (the only game she's appeared in that I

know
of),

> he saved her life then they showed the picture of Zangief with the

sparkle

> thingies on it, it was freaky. . . . . .

Sorry, I expressed myself wrongly. I was meaning about Chun Li
feeling
for Ryu.
The only relation between Ryu and Chun-Li in Alpha 3 is at Ryu's
ending when she says: "You will be stronger when I see you next...
Won't you?" when Ryu is agonizing beacuse of Bison's Psycho Power.

BTW, did you know that Bison's energy and Ryu's energy are the same.
But one is the opposite the other.

Vega/M. Bison

>BTW, did you know that Bison's energy and Ryu's energy are the same.
>But one is the opposite the other.

I don't know what you could use to support that, I can see Evil Ryu and
Akuma having the same energy, and I can see Bison and Rose having equal and
opposite engery, but where do you get that Ryu and Bison have the same
energy except opposite? Their moves are nothing at all similar (the only
thing that bison does that is remotely similar to Ryu is his pscho Caroon,
which I don't even know if he has anymore in SF alpha 3), the only chi move
ryu does is the fireball, Bison is more similar to Dhalsim that Ryu (We
figured it out, the psycho Cursher is a psychokinetic flying body spear,
check it out). . . . . ..

> I don't know what you could use to support that, I can see Evil Ryu
> and Akuma having the same energy, and I can see Bison and Rose
> having equal and opposite engery, but where do you get that Ryu and
> Bison have the same energy except opposite?

In one episode of Street Fighter II Victory, in one of the eps, Bison
and Zolter are talking and one of them says that their energies are
the same, but Ryu's energy comes from nature and Bison's energy comes
from bad feelings (sadness, hate, etc).

And in some of the SFAlpha 3 endings:

SAGAT
Bison: "Ha ha ha ha ha...! Even if my body is destroyed..."
Bison: "My Psycho Power will not die!"
Bison: "The power deep within Ryu is the ultimate form of Psycho
Power!" [When he said: "the power deep within Ryu" he meant Evil Ryu,
right?]
Bison: "Witness it now...!"
(Bison throws a lot of Psycho Shots at Ryu's fallen body.)
Bison: "Ryu's body will be mine, once it gives in to the Psycho
Power!"
.....................
(Ryu sends the Psycho Shots back to Bison)[See, why he didn't send it
back by his Hadoken form]
(Bison face melts)
Bison: "That's impossible... A man cannot control such power!" [So he
isn't a man, he isn't human, this throw the RPG story away for
explain the SFZ series]

SAKURA
.....................
Bison: "Unless I make Ryu's body mine..."
Bison: "I will never achieve true power!"
.....................
(Bison punches Sakura, I LOVE IT!!!! Ryu gets mad.)
Bison: "Hm, hm, hm... Did you get mad? Do you care for this young
girl?"
Bison: "Yes! Hate me! Detest me! Your secret power..."
Bison: "'Hado of Murderous Intent...' Show me this move, Ryu!!"
Sakura: "'Murderous Hado...?!'"
(Ryu hits Bison)
Bison: "What?"
Bison: "The 'Hado of Murderous Intent...' is kindered to Psycho
Power!"
Bison: "Why does he refuse it?!"
(Bison in flames)
Bison: "Wh...Why?! I don't believe this!"
(Bison exploding)
Bison: "Oh... Noooo!!"


Those are the ones that I remember.
Did you never realised it? That's why Bison has this obssession for
Ryu. They have the same inner power. Bison could get Ken or Akuma's
body, but those don't have the same "configurantion" of Bison.

Maybe the new serie STREET FIGHTER ZERO - THE ANIMATION could explain
this.

Vega

Let me take a whack at this one:

>In one episode of Street Fighter II Victory, in one of the eps, Bison
>and Zolter are talking and one of them says that their energies are
>the same, but Ryu's energy comes from nature and Bison's energy comes
>from bad feelings (sadness, hate, etc).

Since this is an anime, I don't consider it cannon. Between the numerous
animes, mangas, and the God-awful Van Damme movie, there's too many
contradictions, so I wouldn't put too much faith into this as the "truth."

>And in some of the SFAlpha 3 endings:
>
>SAGAT
>Bison: "Ha ha ha ha ha...! Even if my body is destroyed..."
>Bison: "My Psycho Power will not die!"
>Bison: "The power deep within Ryu is the ultimate form of Psycho
>Power!" [When he said: "the power deep within Ryu" he meant Evil Ryu,
>right?]

This is a hard point to argue. But take into account this, from the
beginning of the fight with M. Bison when playing as Sagat:

SAGAT: Did you really think that I would appreciate this? I wish to fight
Ryu
when he uses his true power from within.... I have no need for your
tampering
and cheap tricks!

This along proves that the only reason the power inside Ryu is Psycho power
is because Bison "charged" him with Psycho power (as stated before Sagat's
fight with Ryu). Furthermore, Sagat wishes a battle with Ryu's *true* power,
meaning it isn't the psycho power.

>Bison: "Witness it now...!"
>(Bison throws a lot of Psycho Shots at Ryu's fallen body.)
>Bison: "Ryu's body will be mine, once it gives in to the Psycho
>Power!"
>.....................
>(Ryu sends the Psycho Shots back to Bison)[See, why he didn't send it
>back by his Hadoken form]

Probably because #1) Ryu was charged with Psycho power, or #2) Ryu simply
deflected the blasts somehow.

>(Bison face melts)
>Bison: "That's impossible... A man cannot control such power!" [So he
>isn't a man, he isn't human, this throw the RPG story away for
>explain the SFZ series]

This *wasn't* meant literrally, I'm sure. It's classic - the villian
beleives his power to be invincible, and so he doesn't believe it's possible
for anyone to control more power them himself. Ryu is very much a human, but
I see him as being something close to Goku of Dragon Ball fame - he has far
more power then even he himself knows. I believe that eventually, his power
will surpass all of the SF characters - including Akuma. This would explain
Bison and Akuma's interest in him.

>SAKURA
>.....................
>Bison: "Unless I make Ryu's body mine..."
>Bison: "I will never achieve true power!"
>.....................
>(Bison punches Sakura, I LOVE IT!!!! Ryu gets mad.)
>Bison: "Hm, hm, hm... Did you get mad? Do you care for this young
>girl?"
>Bison: "Yes! Hate me! Detest me! Your secret power..."
>Bison: "'Hado of Murderous Intent...' Show me this move, Ryu!!"
>Sakura: "'Murderous Hado...?!'"
>(Ryu hits Bison)
>Bison: "What?"
>Bison: "The 'Hado of Murderous Intent...' is kindered to Psycho
>Power!"
>Bison: "Why does he refuse it?!"
>(Bison in flames)
>Bison: "Wh...Why?! I don't believe this!"
>(Bison exploding)
>Bison: "Oh... Noooo!!"

Again, I believe this is more of Bison's own arrogance - the Hado of
Murderous Intent is so powerful, he believe that only Psycho Power could
have that much power. Ryu can refuse it due to an exceptional amount of
willpower (see above about him being more powerful then anyone expects), and
through the fact that the powers aren't truly related, but only in Bison's
mind.

>Those are the ones that I remember.
>Did you never realised it? That's why Bison has this obssession for
>Ryu. They have the same inner power. Bison could get Ken or Akuma's
>body, but those don't have the same "configurantion" of Bison.

I still don't believe it, and it will take a lot more solid proof to make me
believe it. I believe that Bison and Akuma are interested in Ryu due to his
potential power. Bison is *somewhat* interested in Ken, after all in SFA3,
he does end up fighting Ken in order to find out the difference between him
and Ryu. This is all interpretation, so take it any way you wish to, this is
simply how I believe it.

>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:35:50 -0000
>
> > Someone known what happen with SF 1 people you known Joe, Geki, Lee
> > and Eagle? I heard many versions of what happen to them.
>
>I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
>So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
>
>Vega
>

Actually, Lee is NOT Chun Li's father, he is Yun and Yang's father, but he
is Gen's son and I believe he is dead, but not by the hands of Shadaloo. He
and Gen were both assassins but Lee died in a botched assassination attempt.
Gen later (in Alpha) fought so that he could die honorably but his twin
grandsons gave him a new reason to live. By the way, how many variants of
Kung Fu does Gen know. Of course there is Praying Mantis and Crane (or
Hurtful and Mourning), but does anyone have an idea of the true amount of
the styles Gen has learned?
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>From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
>
>
> >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
>
>
>Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father. I've
>heard
>rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his sons, but I'm
>not terribly sure about this.
>One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's Ibuki is the
>daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this firmly,
>considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki sometimes
>appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of returning
>warriors? Let's hope so.
>
>Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar, of Final
>Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure, he and
>Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the Shotoclones!
>

Me too, I loved playing as Haggar in Final Fight but I never got a chance to
play SlamMasters for the SuperNintendo, although I do have an article on it.
It also stated that one of the main characters, Gunloc, was Guile's
brother or something. Does anyone know if this is true? Also antoher
character I'd like to see is Maki from Final Fight 2. In case noone knows
about her she is part of Guy's ninja clan and fights pretty much the same as
him except for a neat one handed cyclone kick (picture Chun Li's crouching
roundhouse going around repeatedly). She also had long orange hair and had
Guy's ninja uniform except that she had a miniskirt with a slit up the side
and she had a smaller vest (can anyone say CLEAVAGE). She was pretty cool.
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>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Rumors.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:43:41 -0000
>
> > I beat the game with Adon, and I'm pretty sure I remember him
> > beating Sagat and basically posing and thinking what a good Muay >
>Thai fighter he was.
>
>This was in Adon's SFZ and SFZ2 ending. Not SFZ3.
>
> > My favorite funny ending was R. Mika, anyone who finds Zangief
> > attractive has problems, the guy is a shaved bear. . . . . . . .
>
>Hmmm... the feeling that R.Mika feels for Zangief isn't the same that
>Sakura feels for Ryu. I think they just admire their fighting and
>wants to be just like them.
>
>Vega
>

Well I had a slightly different take on the situation. Does anyone remeber
Super Street Fighter II Turbo? You know, the one where Akuma jumps out and
kills Bison at the end? Well, if you check out Zangief's ending picture, it
shows him posing in front of a mirror in a dressing room with a photo on the
wall. I think that's our little friend Mika. I think that they may have a
cute romantic thing goin'.
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>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Rumors.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:43:39 -0000
>
> > I think the feeling R. Mika feels for Zangief is the Chun Li for
>Ryu
>thing
> > (I know they never actually say she has a thing for him, but COME
>ON!),
> > just look at the way he is depicted in her ending, I have no doubt
>at all,
> > she has a thing for him and it's beyond hero worship. . . .
>
>Ending? From what version/game?
>
>Vega
>

I think he means Sakura's ending since Chun Li's ending in SFA3 has nothing
to do with Ryu at all, she's in the Charlie/Cammy/Guile storyline.

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>From: "VEGA/Bison " <shadaloo@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Rumors.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:51:22 -0000
>
>--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, brian fish <fishbn@e...> wrote:
> > Her ending from Alpha 3 (the only game she's appeared in that I
>know
>of),
> > he saved her life then they showed the picture of Zangief with the
>sparkle
> > thingies on it, it was freaky. . . . . .
>
>Sorry, I expressed myself wrongly. I was meaning about Chun Li
>feeling
>for Ryu.
>The only relation between Ryu and Chun-Li in Alpha 3 is at Ryu's
>ending when she says: "You will be stronger when I see you next...
>Won't you?" when Ryu is agonizing beacuse of Bison's Psycho Power.
>
>BTW, did you know that Bison's energy and Ryu's energy are the same.
>But one is the opposite the other.
>
>Vega/M. Bison
>

That's funny, I thought Ryu's energy was the opposite of Akuma's and Bison
just wanted the "Hado of murderous intent" to add to his own power.

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>From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:57:52 -0400
>
>I actually got Ken to Lv 32 on World Tour, it was VERY tough. I usually
>play Ryu, but Ken has the Knee Basher with is a multi hitting grab, so in
>the levels were you have to beat your opponents with combos I usually just
>did that. I had a HELL of a time beating Shin Akuma, that guy is a freakin
>MONSTER. . . . .
>

Yeah, the only way I could beat him was by turning on Auto Block and Super
Gauge refill and then turning my offense all the way up, and then I prayed
that he wouldn't use his freakin' Raging Demon on me (which he did quite
often). But it was worth it to get to play as Shin Akuma (heh heh heh).

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I learned about this project a while ago...and unfortunately SNK is (for
some odd reason) doing the game controls and the combat system.

-Four attack buttons
-power meter
-SNK can't program control response worth crap
-SNK can pump out good characters...even if they tend to beat games to death
(like their reprograming of the first fatal fury for PCX...I was so
dissapointed)

Hopefully Capcom will be doing the character animations and designing the
special moves from the ground up.

-Capcom is good at play balance
-Good staff sprite artists
-Capcom knows what they're doing...unlike SNK
-Capcom can pump out good characters as WELL as good gameplay
-Capcom knows the definition of the word "sequel"...unlike SNK

With any luck it will be a passible game.

Jeff

>From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] SNK vs Capcom
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:05 -0400
>
>Did everyone hear? they are coming out with a new game SNK vs capcom, looks
>like king of fighters vs street fighter, looks GREAT
>

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>From: anton_figueroa@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:01:59 -0400
>
>On Thu, 18 May 2000 13:34:54 -0400 brian fish <fishbn@...>
>writes:
> > X ism is a waste versus Bison though because you have no air
> > blocking, I
>
>This doesn't matter vs Bison. Computer Bison's Super Psycho Crusher can't
>be airblocked by anything. (And he'd be really easy/simple to beat if it
>weren't for that one move that needs guarding against.) Unless, there may
>be a special power you can gain through World Tour to block it (but I
>don't recall one).
>
>Tony

Yeah, it called Super Block. It keeps you from sustaining damage while
blocking, even with Supers. My main strategy was to block everything except
for when he throws his Psycho Ball (jump over it and nail him with a super
or a combo) or when he does his Heel Stomp/Devil Reverse (anything anti-air
can stop him). And as soon as he fills his gauge, NEVER JUMP IN!!! YOU
WILL DIE. It seems that Bison-poo has auto charge or something and can pull
off his Psycho Drill without a second's hesitation. Also, don't chase him
if he does a devil reverse and purposely misses. YOU WILL DIE. Other than
that, he's not much of a problem. I've been able to beat him with all the
characters just by doing that (it's harder than it sounds).

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>From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:38:11 -0400
>
>
>Bison gave me no problems when I was using X-ism. You just need to play
>smarter. ;)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
>Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:35 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior
>
>
>X ism is a waste versus Bison though because you have no air blocking, I
>like X ism on some levels, but I think in order to unlock Shin Akuma you
>have to be at least level 8 in all three isms. I personally like A-ism
>the
>best because it is well rounded and you have the option of a few
>different
>supers. . . . .
>
>

No, all you need to have is a level 32 by the time you defeat Evil Ryu. I
got Shin Akuma in World Tour even though my X-ism was level 5, and my V-ism
was level 4. Also, the three -isms only go to level 6.

>

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>From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Unlock shin akuma in SF: A 3
>Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:10:46 -0400
>
>Are you sure you don't need to have a certain level in the various isms? I
>have Shin Akuma, but I never stuck to one particular ism when I was
>fighting so I am pretty sure they're all at 8+. .. .
>

I don't know what version of the game your playing, but in mine the isms
only get to level 6.
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>From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:40:16 -0400
>
>Oh, and any character of any style can pick up any maneuver, all they have
>to do is switch to Jeet Kune Do, and then I think they pay the highest
>power point cost +1 for maneuvers that don't have any cost. The Sambo
>stylist in question could switch to Jeet Kune Do, still be able to learn
>his sambo maneuvers for normal cost, but then have access to the full array
>of Jeet Kune Do maneuvers as well, including the Dragon Punch for a mere 5
>power points. . . . . . .
>

The only problem with that is that it seems a little cheesy to switch styles
that easily. I saw a version somewhere where you got a Style stat which you
could increase, thereby limiting yourself to moves in that style that were
less than or equal to your Style stat. But I still think there should be
some kind of Storytelling reason for doing so. For instance, I had a
Special Forces player character who wanted to switch to Lua. When i asked
him why he said he just like Lua's maneuvers, so I told him that since the
only Lua schools were in Hawaii, he could change if he left the team for two
or three stories while he was in Hawaii studying his art. He declined my
offer.

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I've got stats for Haggar if anyone wants them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Vernatter [mailto:devernatter@...]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:12 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.

>From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
>
>
> >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
>
>
>Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father. I've
>heard
>rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his sons, but

I'm

>not terribly sure about this.
>One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's Ibuki is

the

>daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this firmly,
>considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki sometimes
>appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of returning
>warriors? Let's hope so.
>
>Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar, of

Final

>Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure, he and
>Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the Shotoclones!
>

Me too, I loved playing as Haggar in Final Fight but I never got a
chance to
play SlamMasters for the SuperNintendo, although I do have an article on
it.
It also stated that one of the main characters, Gunloc, was Guile's
brother or something. Does anyone know if this is true? Also antoher
character I'd like to see is Maki from Final Fight 2. In case noone
knows
about her she is part of Guy's ninja clan and fights pretty much the
same as
him except for a neat one handed cyclone kick (picture Chun Li's
crouching
roundhouse going around repeatedly). She also had long orange hair and
had
Guy's ninja uniform except that she had a miniskirt with a slit up the
side
and she had a smaller vest (can anyone say CLEAVAGE). She was pretty
cool.
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crack his knuckles the sound revebrates throughout the chamber...

"Maybe someday we may smoke a piece pipe together, but for now we must be
opponents in combat befitting true warriors."

"Shay Long is your name? The totem spirits of my tribe, and those of my
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Ryan Ghost bear flexes his respectiable ammount of muscle...

"I accept your challenge. We may one day smoke a piece pipe together, but
for now we are opponents on the field of battle."

Jeff
"Lets get this party started!"

>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Challenge!
>Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:09:30 -0300
>
>I think you will not show your triks to the crowd friend :). But we need
>wait Jeff Y response.
>
>Jade M Prout wrote:
>
> > Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
> > > 3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
> > > 5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
> > >folks challenge everybody I say this because knownledge is power belive
>me in this point.
> >
> > Okay! I still have to plan my tactics, though, and make some last minute
>changes... how many points for Talents, Skills, and Knowledges? I forgot
>again. Let me know, and I'll give you the complete character with
>tactics...
> >
> > When I'm done, I'd like to challenge Ghost Bear, assuming he's a Native
>American Wrestler... I want to see how good a wrestler Suzuki really is.
>(He's a Japanese peasant born with Gigantism who found fame and fortune in
>Sumo)
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> I think he means Sakura's ending since Chun Li's ending in SFA3 has

nothing

> to do with Ryu at all, she's in the Charlie/Cammy/Guile storyline.

Yep, she even cries for him. But Ryu is a little BIG for Sakura.

Vega

> That's funny, I thought Ryu's energy was the opposite of Akuma's

and
Bison

> just wanted the "Hado of murderous intent" to add to his own power.

Please Don Vernarter, see the topic: Ryu & Bison: Same power.

Vega

--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@c...>
wrote:

>
> I've got stats for Haggar if anyone wants them.
>

Cool. Could you post it?
It's official or you made it?

Vega

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Vernatter [mailto:devernatter@h...]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:12 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@w...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
> >Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
> >
> >
> > >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> > >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
> >
> >
> >Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father.

I've

> >heard
> >rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his

sons,
but

> I'm
> >not terribly sure about this.
> >One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's

Ibuki is

> the
> >daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this

firmly,

> >considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki

sometimes

> >appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of

returning

> >warriors? Let's hope so.
> >
> >Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar,

of

> Final
> >Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure,

he
and

> >Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the

Shotoclones!

> >
> Me too, I loved playing as Haggar in Final Fight but I never got a
> chance to
> play SlamMasters for the SuperNintendo, although I do have an

article on

> it.
> It also stated that one of the main characters, Gunloc, was

Guile's

> brother or something. Does anyone know if this is true? Also

antoher

> character I'd like to see is Maki from Final Fight 2. In case noone
> knows
> about her she is part of Guy's ninja clan and fights pretty much the
> same as
> him except for a neat one handed cyclone kick (picture Chun Li's
> crouching
> roundhouse going around repeatedly). She also had long orange hair

and

> had
> Guy's ninja uniform except that she had a miniskirt with a slit up

the

> side
> and she had a smaller vest (can anyone say CLEAVAGE). She was

pretty

> cool.
>

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I made them, but they're about as accurate as you're gonna get.

I'll send them tonight from home.

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--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@c...>
wrote:

>
> I've got stats for Haggar if anyone wants them.
>

Cool. Could you post it?
It's official or you made it?

Vega

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Vernatter [mailto:devernatter@h...]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 1:12 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@w...>
> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: The Timeline.
> >Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:32:46 -0500
> >
> >
> > >I heard that Lee was Gen's son and Chun-Li's father.
> > >So he was killed by one of Bison's henchman, or by Bison himself.
> >
> >
> >Lee is Gen's son, but I don't believe that he's Chun-Li's father.

I've

> >heard
> >rumors that Yun and Yang, the twin brothers in SFIII were his

sons,
but

> I'm
> >not terribly sure about this.
> >One rumor that I do happen to believe is the one about SFIII's

Ibuki is

> the
> >daughter of the original Street Fighter's Geki. I believe this

firmly,

> >considering the a ninja that looks awfully similiar to Geki

sometimes

> >appears in her background.....hmm..maybe a foreshadowing of

returning

> >warriors? Let's hope so.
> >
> >Also...does anyone think that it is way past time for Mike Haggar,

of

> Final
> >Fight and Slammasters fame to be in a Street Fighter game? Sure,

he
and

> >Zangief have basically the same moves, but look at all the

Shotoclones!

> >
> Me too, I loved playing as Haggar in Final Fight but I never got a
> chance to
> play SlamMasters for the SuperNintendo, although I do have an

article on

> it.
> It also stated that one of the main characters, Gunloc, was

Guile's

> brother or something. Does anyone know if this is true? Also

antoher

> character I'd like to see is Maki from Final Fight 2. In case noone
> knows
> about her she is part of Guy's ninja clan and fights pretty much the
> same as
> him except for a neat one handed cyclone kick (picture Chun Li's
> crouching
> roundhouse going around repeatedly). She also had long orange hair

and

> had
> Guy's ninja uniform except that she had a miniskirt with a slit up

the

> side
> and she had a smaller vest (can anyone say CLEAVAGE). She was

pretty

> cool.
>

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> Well I had a slightly different take on the situation. Does anyone

remeber

> Super Street Fighter II Turbo? You know, the one where Akuma jumps

out and

> kills Bison at the end? Well, if you check out Zangief's ending

picture, it

> shows him posing in front of a mirror in a dressing room with a

photo on the

> wall. I think that's our little friend Mika. I think that they

may
have a

> cute romantic thing goin'.

Err... the person on that photo is... Balrog/Vega (the spanish). Not
Rainbow Mika.

Vega

>I've got stats for Haggar if anyone wants them.

Awwww man! Oh well, looks like there will be two versions of Haggar then,
since I've had him around for quite awhile, even since I had my players go
to Metro City. By the way, what games are you using as sources for Haggar?

Gunloc from Slammasters has a similiar haircut, and is part of the Air
Force. I'm not sure if he's related to Guile, but I think his Bio from
Slammasters mentions him, or rather a famous Street Fighter. I'll check it
out later.

I am *still* working on Warriors Pride: The Final Fight, which will feature
all of the playable characters (Mike Haggar, Cody, Guy, Maki, Carlos, Dean,
and Lucia), as well as all of the bosses and a lot of the "common" gang
members found in all three Final Fight games. I figure it will be done in a
couple of months, and then I'll be going on to make another Warrior's Pride
of the same type, featuring characters from the Capcom games Saturday Night
Slammasters and Muscle Bomber Duo (essentially, the same game). Not that
these will *not* replace the regular issues of Warrior's Pride.