I would say no on movement being an abort, the movement is too much on it,
I can see Jump and Block, because they don't move very much, but for the
same reason Tony gave with backflip, it moves you out of the way too much,
plus it is a basic maneuver so I see no reason to give it the special
benefit of being an abort maneuver. . . . .

nope. Contenders states that the player cannot create a character "now
studying Jeet Kune Do after many years of Muay Thai", and if a player wishes
to switch styles to JKD later on there must be a valid, plot-driven reason
for doing so.

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From: Knight of the Black Rose <anton_figueroa@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?

>On Fri, 12 May 2000 23:40:16 -0400 brian fish <fishbn@...>
>writes:
>> Oh, and any character of any style can pick up any maneuver, ll they >
>have> to do is switch to Jeet Kune Do,
>
>Are there concrete rules for switching styles? The optional "Style"
>background is the only thing I've seen convering the subject (which I
>think is a neat idea).
>
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the only question by me is move can

> be a
> abort manuver?

By the rules, Move is not an Abort maneuver.

Therefore, I don't currently allow players to abort to a Move. This
forces them to buy Jump to have a "throw yourself out of harm's way"
move. If I did allow an abort to Move, I'd restrict movement to hexes
equal to Athletics (so it's not more than Jump).

Tony

I have two questions Dustin.

1) Are you still going to use the stuff i sent you?

2) when can we expect warriors pride 3 to come out?
I realy enjoy it.

Cliff

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please check it out and tell me what you think of it
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>I have two questions Dustin.

>1) Are you still going to use the stuff i sent you?

Yes, providing that I can find it in a realatively short time (My e-mail
messages have been screwed over and out of order).

>2) when can we expect warriors pride 3 to come out?
> I realy enjoy it.

Either tonight, or early morning at the latest. I'm working at it while
doing the stuff I usually should be doing, so I'm lagging farther behind
then I anticipated but it WILL be done either tonight or early morning. I"ll
add it to the vault then send a mail to the group to let everyone know.
There won't be a .txt version though, so if you want that you'll have to
wait for Chris to fix that up (thanks a ton for doing that, man).

All right I think about the time and I can wait but I don´t known about
the people who send me characters in this tournament I bet they want
fight soon...
I set 16 fighters I have 11 pc´s and 3 npc´s so I need more 2 pc´s to
close the number. Now I put the official list of this tournament. I
realy want start this tournament but I just ask if someone else want
enter in this I have two spaces in the list if I don´t have a response I
start to think in put npc´s in this empty spaces, of course if I have
more persons with interesting in this I put add more fighters, I just
want start this soon.

Pc´s
1- Jim "Razorblack" Bob Joe- Player (Francis Black)
2- Rebellion- Player (Chris Hoffman)
3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
4- Delta- Player (Josh Diemert)
5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
6- Joseph Masterson - Player (Cliff Rice)
7- Alisyn Summers- Player (Dennis Bryant)
8- Huo Feng - Player (Ronin)
9- Dragon Reborn - Player (Jens Arthur Leirbakk)
10- Sha Long - Player (Joseph Scot Pittman)
11- All Oha - Player (Luiz)
12- Empty at this moment.
13- Empty at this moment.

Npc´s these guys will fight in the tournament.
1- Ernest Voss Concept - German Nazi Officer.
2- Chaotic - Dark Karate Shotokan guy student of Akuma.
3- Shuna Kane - A spanish ninja with great beauty.

The other npc´s are good but they dont´t have a background to enter
but these 3 have a good and large one. About challenges folks challenge
everybody I say this because knownledge is power belive me in this
point.

Regards Rinaldo Gambetta.

I was in the middle of nothing (my fighter in a fantasy STF campaing with
european characters so we can use only europe style I mean Wrestiling, Savate,
the Scotish Highlander style and some other styles gee I can´t remember now but
this isn´t matter).
Here the situation my fighter a savate guy try to knockout a guy but he discover
a important fact the guy is a zombie, all right many punches and kicks but the
dammit corpse don´t fall (I make him reach the 20 wound boxes) I only defeat him
after more 20 wound boxes the Gm just reply "he is dead Jim" and said back "this
I known bones" but the question a undead opponent suffer less damage than a live
opponent? This curious but I don´t want fight with a zombie again after this
one.
Another point if my fighter wear a special suit made with isolant components
this can make a manuver like shock treatment useless?
About Star Trek I´m not a trekkie but I love the serie someone try to convert
James T.Kirk to STF system and of course Spock too (I realy want known a version
of that Vulcano pinch).

I play much Gabriel Knight series and I read something in Gurps religions and
Vodoo, maybe but this a remote possibility use in Vodoo magic in Stf system? you
known the doll and the needles creepy isn´t it?
If it isn´t I work in it by myself.

I've created a SF RPG web page for my campaign at
http://members.xoom.com/shliff/countdown/

It's mainly for my players, will be constantly updated, and may be
amusing to some of you.

Tony

I think that's a great idea and the simplicity is perfect for street fighter.
Since one of my PC's is playing a Blind Fighter I've had him roll some
elaborate things just to determine if he trips etc (I typed up 3 pages of
blindfighting rules only b/c he's a PC) but at this point I may just switch
to the 11-blind fighting instead. He was just about to buy telepathy anyway
& was was going to let him read his teammates thoughts "Pit-look out!" or
"He's behind you!" Things like that. Then I was going to mess with him by
having him fight alone against a guy with high willpower & ear pop. What can
I say, I'm just cruel. Anyway, for NPC's the 11-Blind Fighting seems
perfectly good for me.

IIRC: SNK is doing the fighter for Dreamcast and Capcom is doing a card game
for SNK pocket (two actually, one with primarily Capcom cards, the other
with primarily SNK cards.)

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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] SNK vs Capcom


> I heard about it and the Idea is King of Fighters Vs Street Fighter but I
don´t
> known how line the game will use Snk or Capcom system but I hope for
Street
> Fighter system.
>
> brian fish wrote:
>
> > Did everyone hear? they are coming out with a new game SNK vs capcom,
looks
> > like king of fighters vs street fighter, looks GREAT
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>>But I use a much simpler system. Roll Perception + Blindfighting

(Difficulty 6). This is the maximum number of dice you can roll to attack.

What if you roll more dice than you had with sight?

>> You can only attack an opponent who has just attacked you, or who is in

the same hex as you are.

No wild shot attacks that might hit by chance at a distance? What if someone
was closer to you, and making a lot of noise, like firing a automatic
weapon? You can't attack them?

>> Finally, you can't abort while blinded. It's not perfect, but I hardly

ever use it...

What about masters of the martial arts who have a ratibng of 5 in
blindfighting? They cant abort to block?

joespitt


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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Blindfighting

>>How do you handle when a character is
>>blinded?
>>Although it may make more sense for a character to use Wits if he is

totaly blinded, Perception is used for game balance due to the fact that
Wits is already such an important score when detimining inititive during
combat.

>
>I think it actually makes more sense to use Perception. Without vision,

you're relying on sounds, vibrations in the floor, odors, etc. to Perceive
your opponent. Wits is more about how quickly you react, and Perception
involves the senses...

>
>But I use a much simpler system. Roll Perception + Blindfighting

(Difficulty 6). This is the maximum number of dice you can roll to attack.
You can only attack an opponent who has just attacked you, or who is in the
same hex as you are. Finally, you can't abort while blinded. It's not
perfect, but I hardly ever use it...

>
>If you're going to do it by adjusting difficulties, though, I'd have it

just be Base 11 minus 1 for each dot in Blindfighting so if you don't have
Blindfighting you can't hit, and with a 5 it's just like daylight...

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--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:
the question a undead opponent suffer less damage than a

> live
> opponent?

In Call of Cthulhu, zombies take no damage. Instead you take the damage you
do, multiply it by four and that is the percentile chance of destroying a
zombie. If these were honest to goodness dead zombies (as opposed to the ones
you find in Resident Evil), that's how I'd handle it. Resident Evil zombies
get high stamina and health levels.

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--- Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...> wrote:

> >How do you handle when a character is
> >blinded?
> >Although it may make more sense for a character to use Wits if he is totaly
> blinded, Perception is used for game balance due to the fact that Wits is
> already such an important score when detimining inititive during combat.
>
> I think it actually makes more sense to use Perception. Without vision,
> you're relying on sounds, vibrations in the floor, odors, etc. to Perceive
> your opponent. Wits is more about how quickly you react, and Perception
> involves the senses...
>
> But I use a much simpler system. Roll Perception + Blindfighting (Difficulty
> 6). This is the maximum number of dice you can roll to attack. You can only
> attack an opponent who has just attacked you, or who is in the same hex as
> you are. Finally, you can't abort while blinded. It's not perfect, but I
> hardly ever use it...

I don't think the damage modifier of the maneuver should be included in that
limitation. A dragon punch will always hit harder than a jab in the same
place.

> If you're going to do it by adjusting difficulties, though, I'd have it just
> be Base 11 minus 1 for each dot in Blindfighting so if you don't have
> Blindfighting you can't hit, and with a 5 it's just like daylight...

And with an eight you'd need a three... I don't think I like that...

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--- Knight of the Black Rose <anton_figueroa@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 May 2000 00:41:05 -0400 brian fish <fishbn@...>
> writes:
> > Seung Mina with no pole vault?? Heresy, she was one of my favorite
>
> She was my favorite in the first game, but other favorites arose in the
> Soul Calibur sequel. I was disappointed they removed Mina's Tower/sky
> chopping combo.
>
> When I port characters myself, I tend to make them on a level that the
> PCs could actually fight them. I'd actually prefer that the World
> Warriors weren't so powerful so they could interact with the characters
> more without unbalancing everything. I wonder if anyone ever figured how
> much Experience the World Warriors were built with (500 maybe??).

I acually did figure it out once. If memory serves, Chun-Li was built with a
'dainty' 250 and Zangief is closer to 450.

>
> Tony
>

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--- Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...> wrote:

> Okay, as some of you have probably noticed, I am a Star Wars fan.
>
> And now they've casted Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker for Episode
> II. You can see the full story, as well as and image showing Jake Lloyd,
> Christensen, and Sebastian Shaw in the three stages of Anakin's life at
> http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/news/2000/19/news4b.html
>
> Just thought that I would let everyone know in case there were other Star
> Wars fans out there. Sorry if this bothered anyone.

Praise be that it was not the dreaded Sith lord, diCrapio.

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...and yet Chun Li can mop the floor with the mighty Russian. Jus' goes
to show it's not how much ya have, it's how ya spend it.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:28 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Soul Blade, Calibur



--- Knight of the Black Rose <anton_figueroa@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 May 2000 00:41:05 -0400 brian fish <fishbn@...>
> writes:
> > Seung Mina with no pole vault?? Heresy, she was one of my favorite
>
> She was my favorite in the first game, but other favorites arose in

the

> Soul Calibur sequel. I was disappointed they removed Mina's Tower/sky
> chopping combo.
>
> When I port characters myself, I tend to make them on a level that the
> PCs could actually fight them. I'd actually prefer that the World
> Warriors weren't so powerful so they could interact with the

characters

> more without unbalancing everything. I wonder if anyone ever figured

how

> much Experience the World Warriors were built with (500 maybe??).

I acually did figure it out once. If memory serves, Chun-Li was built
with a
'dainty' 250 and Zangief is closer to 450.

>
> Tony
>

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Close, but no banana.

SKELETONS (at least, in 5th edition they did) had a chance based on
damage dealt to just splinter, destroying them. Zombies, on the other
hand, had regular health levels, but any impaling weapon (including but
not limited to swords, knives, bullets, etc) did a mere 1 point of
damage.

I would say that Zombies would indeed be ridiculously resistant to
bludgeoning damage in Street Fighter since it doesn't hamper them in
ways it would hamper regular humans: IE, they don't feel pain, a broken
bone won't keep them from using that limb, etc. But I don't think they
should be able to be effective Street Fighters except under rare
circumstances (Revenants, for example).

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com
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--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:
the question a undead opponent suffer less damage than a

> live
> opponent?

In Call of Cthulhu, zombies take no damage. Instead you take the damage
you
do, multiply it by four and that is the percentile chance of destroying
a
zombie. If these were honest to goodness dead zombies (as opposed to
the ones
you find in Resident Evil), that's how I'd handle it. Resident Evil
zombies
get high stamina and health levels.

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There is NO WAY Chun Li was built with 250 XP, I have gotten almost 200 XP
myself and I am nowhere NEAR Chun Li, I think they're a lot more even
because although Zangief has like 3 7's, Chun Li has at least a 5 in just
about everything and quite a few 6's.

>....and yet Chun Li can mop the floor with the mighty Russian. >Jus' goes
>to show it's not how much ya have, it's how ya spend it.

Yeah, true.
I made up stats for Ayako Yuki the other day (founder of one of the styles I made), and she was topping 500 points. Yet, she seemed nowhere near as powerful as the World Warriors. I was thinking they must at least be 700-1000 XP characters.

Tony

>
>
>

I acually did figure it out once. If memory serves, Chun-Li was built
with a
'dainty' 250 and Zangief is closer to 450.
Knight of the Black Rose
"Until all is lost, personal holocaust,
Foreclosure of a Dream"

Coming off that particular line of thought, other than Bison, who do you
guys think is the toughest world warrior? My vote is for Chun Li, that girl
is a freeking monster. . . . . .

Master Kanzaki (my current character in his future incarnation, it's
complicated) is like a 500+ point character, and he is not even half way
there yet. Actually, most of the points for the world warriors were put
into attributes and skills rather than anything that would improve just
their fighting, that explains how Guile and T hawk have awe inspiring
amounts of XP used on them, but are two of the weakest world warriors
(Ironically enough, I have yet to even challenge them, my stupid self has
to challenge some of the tougher ones: Ken, Dee Jay, and Sagat)

I dunno, Bison doesn't strike me as all that tough. Then again, I've
never actually used him in combat so I don't know how his numbers fall.
The two I've got my money on are Vega and Chun Li, both for that obscene
speed advantage and the high-damage, multi-hit maneuvers (Lightning Leg
and Tumbling Attack).

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior


Coming off that particular line of thought, other than Bison, who do you
guys think is the toughest world warrior? My vote is for Chun Li, that
girl
is a freeking monster. . . . . .


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Bison is a MONSTER, he is fast, strong, can take a vicious hit, cheap as
all hell, can fight single fighters and groups, can fight both physically
and with focus. One time I was in a situation, chun Li was on my side and
him and sagat walked in, I was all ready to fight untilhe used psychic vise
and dizzied her, he was about to use mind control but I just grabbed her
and ran, make no mistake, I don't think Bison is beatable by any of the
world warriors. . . . . . .

I think Bison's biggest strength is actually Psychic Vise; the fact that
you use Intelligence to soak means that most fighter won't be able to
soak it very well (face it, who pumps up their mental stats in lieu of
their physical except Kabaddi stylists?)

So you're kinda screwed. If you only have high physicals, Bison's
psychic abilities will stun you so he can belt you with his heavy
hitters. If you only have high mental attributes, you're meat to his
blows anyway.

The *only* chance I see a regular player having is if Bison fails to
Psychic Vise you early in the fight. That move appears to really be the
cornerstone of his assault (other than those twenty-die basic attacks,
that is). Best thing for Bison to do is to engage in pre-fight
Intimidation (as a lot of PCs like to do, at least mine do) and use
Psychic Vise as his Intimidation move.

Of course, since Bison often cheats and stacks battles in his favor from
outside sources, I don't see him ever losing. ;) Of course, that's all
speculation of course...

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Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Toughest world warrior


Bison is a MONSTER, he is fast, strong, can take a vicious hit, cheap as
all hell, can fight single fighters and groups, can fight both
physically
and with focus. One time I was in a situation, chun Li was on my side
and
him and sagat walked in, I was all ready to fight untilhe used psychic
vise
and dizzied her, he was about to use mind control but I just grabbed her
and ran, make no mistake, I don't think Bison is beatable by any of the
world warriors. . . . . . .


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Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:

>>>Roll Perception + Blindfighting (Difficulty 6). This is the maximum number of dice you can roll to attack.
>
>What if you roll more dice than you had with sight?

I just meant that the number of successes you get with This roll is the Maximum number of dice you can roll When you roll for damage. It's not your actual damage roll, and you don't get extra damage dice if you wouldn't have rolled that many dice for damage anyway. It reflects the fact that it's hard to apply a technique to an opponent who could be anywhere, in any position, for all you know...

>>> You can only attack an opponent who has just attacked you, or who is in the same hex as you are.
>
>No wild shot attacks that might hit by chance at a distance? What if someone was closer to you, and making a lot of noise, like firing a automatic weapon? You can't attack them?

I actually hadn't thought it through... what I guess I should have said was that if you are blinded or fighting in Darkness, you only know the location of characters in your hex or those who are attacking from an adjacent hex. You're right. what I said doesn't make sense. I never had any Blindfighting in my games until I introduced the Eye Rake, and it's still rare...

What I do is cover the hexmap when the lights go out, or make the player face away from the table if he has been blinded... If you can REMEMBER where an opponent is, you can go with that... until he moves, then you're Fighting Blind.

Sure, you could take a wild shot. I would have the player announce a target hex (or a direction of attack for hex-line based attacks) and then pay whatever costs apply. If an opponent (or teammate) happens to be in that target hex or in that hex-line, roll damage, with dice rolled limited by your Blindfighting roll (above). Certain moves like Spinning Footsweep and Yoga Flame are good for taking wild shots... although wouldn't a Yoga Flame illuminate the fighting area breifly?

>>> Finally, you can't abort while blinded.
>
>What about masters of the martial arts who have a ratibng of 5 in blindfighting? They cant abort to block?

I dunno... that would mean they began a certain maneuver (blind), then reacted to their unseen opponent's action and Blocked it (blind) at the last moment... stroryteller's call, I guess.

Maybe a better rule would be you can't abort to Block while blinded unless you have Blindfighting... or maybe it costs 2 instead of 1 Will?


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> 3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
> 5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
>folks challenge everybody I say this because knownledge is power belive me in this point.

Okay! I still have to plan my tactics, though, and make some last minute changes... how many points for Talents, Skills, and Knowledges? I forgot again. Let me know, and I'll give you the complete character with tactics...

When I'm done, I'd like to challenge Ghost Bear, assuming he's a Native American Wrestler... I want to see how good a wrestler Suzuki really is. (He's a Japanese peasant born with Gigantism who found fame and fortune in Sumo)


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What you say about Bison's abilities is scary.
This would seem to be the reason why fighters shouldn't fight Bison
alone. Gang up!

Tony

As I recall, SNK has already released their Card Fighters SNK vs Capcom
for the Neo Geo Pocket Color. They've also released the Millenium Match
for the NGPC with I think about 20 fighters per side (I have it and it is
fun).

The Dreamcast/Arcade game will be done by Capcom, and it will be a four
button attack game. Still, it should be more like Street Fighter because
this is Capcom doing the game. Maybe they'll have Isms, like SNK-Ism or
Capcom-ISM.

Tony

On Mon, 15 May 2000 01:15:45 -0700 "J.J." <tyger1@...> writes:

> IIRC: SNK is doing the fighter for Dreamcast and Capcom is doing a
> card game
> for SNK pocket (two actually, one with primarily Capcom cards, the
> other
> with primarily SNK cards.)

>Rinaldo wrote:
>...for example but everybody allow the player abort to energy deflection because is a block manuver, Drunken Monkey Roll works like except is made on the ground rolling but the avoid Fireball test is the same, the only question by me is move can be a abort manuver?

I think it's definitely an interesting idea (Drunken Monkey Roll being an Abort Maneuver) but my impression is that according to the book, it's not an Abort Maneuver. Jump and the Basic Block are botthe only DEFINITE Abort Maneuvers, but read on...

>brian fish wrote:
>
>> None of the above should be abort maneuvers, I am of the opinion that if a maneuver was intended to be an abort maneuver, it would say so in the description . . . . . .

This is a very tricky subject. The description of Blocks in Chapter 8 (Combat) says "Finally, Block can be played as an Abort Maneuver (explained later...)" Given the context, I tend to believe this was in reference to the Basic Block, although it could very easily be interpreted as meaning Blocks in general...

But nevermind that! In the SYSTEM descriptions of Kick Defense and Punch Defense, they both say it works just like a Block with the difference being the Punch/Kick related modifiers. Block is an Abort Maneuver, so if Punch/Kick Defense work like Block I think they must be Abort maneuvers too, just like they would both protect you from a Knockdown. But opinions vary!


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>What you say about Bison's abilities is scary.
>This would seem to be the reason why fighters shouldn't fight Bison alone. Gang up!

In Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Bison didn't seem too scary... but SAGAT was a nightmare! I'm still haunted by the sounds... "Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!" Fireballs suck!


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Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:

>Jaw Punch or Knockout Punch: Like the name said the boxer make a powerfull cross aiming the opponent jaw, I don4t known the biologic effect maybe the Brain move a litle inside the head but I see many fights end in the first round with well place Jaw punch.
>Requisites: Punch 3
>Cost: 1 willpower
>Speed: +1
>Damage: +5
>Movement: None
>Special Efect: The Jaw punch can make his target stun but only if the target
>fail in stamina test.

This seems a little too powerful... as much damage as a Buffalo Punch but as fast as Hyperfist? I think if it's going to be that fast, mellow out on the damage. Maybe Damage +0, but if you score at least two successes, the opponent is automatically Dizzy? Or maybe
the Damage is +0 but it's Aggravated!!!

>Kidneys Punch: A low punch with a destination the Kidneys area isn4t a very quickly move but this isn4t the idea when the target hit his stamina is 1/2 for soaking purposes except of course if he4s blocking.
>Special: When a target is hit by a Kidneys Punch his stamina down 1 point by punch for 2 turns because the objective is remove the "breath" of opponent, after 2 turns the stamina return to his normal level.

Really? I thought the objective of a Kidney Punch was to make your opponent piss blood!

Clinching is a good idea, but I don't think it's necessary... If you caught someone in a Brain Cracker and sustained the hold for the following turn, they are unable to act on the following turn, right? When it's time to roll damage, you can say "No, I'm just clinching him, no damage."
Your opponent would still be unable to act.

I have a Boxer with a Block to Brain Cracker, who also has Brain Cracker to Rekka Ken Fierce (Dizzy of course!) When he clinches you, you're history! I think with Brain Cracker available, why just clinch? The moves you listed for use with Clinch were right on the money, but I think they'd work best in a Combo like the one above.

Other good moves for "dirty" boxing: Elbow Smash and Suplex! And if you saw Riddick VS Bowe a few years back, you've seen how effective a Low Blow can be!


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Yeah we basically figured out the only way to beat bison is to become
bison, you have to fight exactly like him with balanced mentals and
physicals, I can virtually garauntee my character will never be able to. .
. . .

You cant even gang up, he's never by humself, usually has Sagat and/or Vega
with him, and he has mind control. . . . . . .

I would see no problem with punch and kick defense being used as abort
maneuvers, I don't think the various specials should be, San He, Energy
Reflection, Drunken monkey roll, etc. . . . . .

On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:16:02 -0400 "Jade M Prout"
<twitchboy@...> writes:

> Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
>
> >Jaw Punch or Knockout Punch: Like the name said the boxer make a

Maybe it should be something like Heart Punch (does high damage only
calculated for KO not for actual damage).
But, I think a move to KO someone more quickly would simply be
unbalancing to the game (isn't that what regular damage in the game
does?).
For what your suggesting, I'd just use the stats for Heart Punch and
modify the description a bit (damage counts for dizzying purposes).

Tony

On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:44:01 -0400 brian fish <fishbn@...>
writes:

> I would see no problem with punch and kick defense being used as >

abort> maneuvers, I don't think the various specials should be, San He, >
Energy> Reflection, Drunken monkey roll, etc. . . . . .

I'm pretty neutral on San He (although I voted that all blocks could be
aborts), but Energy Reflection definitely needs to be an abort. It's like
one of those times somebody tosses you a basketball, and you stop what
you're doing to catch it. (Although if you still think that wouldn't be
right, I might suggest having a roll to see if you can think fast enough
to abort to it.)
Being unable to abort to a reflection, I'd say their cost wouldn't match
their value. The only Block maneuver I'd possibly consider exluding from
the Block list would be Deflecting Punch (abort to an attack?).

Drunken Monkey Roll is kind of ambiguous as it says (use the same rules
for evading as under Jump), but I don't think it would unbalancing to
abort to (still have to make the opposing roll and it's not an attack).

Tony

> Other good moves for "dirty" boxing: Elbow Smash and
> Suplex! And if you saw Riddick VS Bowe a few years
> back, you've seen how effective a Low Blow can be!

Don't forget Tyson's favorite dirty move, Head Bite!
(Maybe he didn't get enough to eat before the fight?)

Josh

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Something that's bugging me:

How much should Toughskin cost for Savate? The Savate Maneuver list says 4
points, which is the "ANY" cost for toughskin. Not the only problem in
Savate's Maneuver list (The most %$@#ed up list in the Game). I need an
answer fast, It affects my Ages Character....

Alright, it's now uploaded and waiting. It's where it usually is, at the
Files section of the Mailing List's site
(http://www.e-groups.com/group/streetfighter) so how to it and be sure to
tell me what you think.

There isn't a .txt version however, since Chris Hoffmann said he would take
care of that. And Chris, add a credit for yourself like "Text Verstion
Format" or whatever in the .txt version...I'm sorry but I was in such a
hurry that it slipped my mind. It won't happen with #4.

I hope everyone enjoys.

What?! Yes they should. Should the move do no damage what so ever then the
effect should be removed.
Thats what the roll is all about.

>From: azathoth05@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] New poll for streetfighter
>Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:21:47 EDT
>
>No. blocking wounded knee doesn't keep you from suffering penalties (I
>think, I'm too lazy to re-read wounded knee) or eye rake(wait that's a
>grab-ah you get the idea!
>
>In a message dated 5/7/00 8:09:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>streetfighter@egroups.com writes:
>
><< Should block cancle out the special
> effects of a manuver unless stated in
> said manuver.
> >>

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if it says 4 I'd go with 4, remember, some styles have deflecting punch (1)
lusted, and thats an any (1) move

In a message dated 5/15/00 8:34:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
fishbn@... writes:

> if it says 4 I'd go with 4, remember, some styles have deflecting punch (1)
> listed, and thats an any (1) move

That would make an interesting solution for Widowmaker ( Any: 1; Savate: 2).

I'm not sure whoever wrote this Style read the rest of the rules....

As I understand it from the rules in the books when knockdown occurs you either lose your action for that turn or if you've already gone you get a -2 to your speed next turn. If of course you have kippup that's only a -1 the next turn. I think that if you haven't gone yet that round losing your action is okay. But it seems to me that if you fall into the bracket of having to get up the next round i.e. the -2 penalty that instead you should actually forefit your action and people with kippup should get a -2 penalty instead. I don't know it just seems that knockdown would be a little more used, and feared if the penalty were more severe.

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That penalty is pretty honking severe, ESPECIALLY at upper levels. Trust
me, when everyone gets block at high levels, and they start getting moves
that do ridiculous amounts of damage, they are handy to have. Not acting
the next turn if you've already gone would make grapplers too powerful,
Zangief is bad enough, does he really need help??

I'd like to see your reasoning as to why Zangief is "bad enough". I've
always been curious as to how Zangief would do in a real fight (I've
never used him). That Dex 2 of his would be a killer, no matter HOW
much damage he does.

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] How Knock Down Works


That penalty is pretty honking severe, ESPECIALLY at upper levels. Trust
me, when everyone gets block at high levels, and they start getting
moves
that do ridiculous amounts of damage, they are handy to have. Not acting
the next turn if you've already gone would make grapplers too powerful,
Zangief is bad enough, does he really need help??


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This is basically how it works, I fought him and beat him, kind of (it's
complicated, wasn't actually him, I was stuck in a Matrix sort of thing at
the time). Basically I don't quite know how your dice work, but with us,
with his stamina of a 7 and his HP all the way up, basically if you screw
up, you're dead, he did like 9 points of damage to someone with one move.
Plus a lot of his moves are sustained holds, with a strength of 7, grab of
7 also I think, even if you have grappling defense, you're screwed. Also,
Zangief has the head bite, which tells me he's a little unstable, if you
piss him off enough (i.e. not letting him hit you back), he might just hit
you while you're dizzy. . . . . .

Yup think I give a litle overpower in Jaw punch the stats of Heart punch
or but I like the idea of use
The More human Jaw Punch: The description is the same a cross aiming the
opponent jaw this make the brain opponent shake a litle isn´t it.
Speed: +1 Damage: +0 Movement: None Cost 1 will
Special Effect: 2 sucess in damage make a opponent stun.

About kidneys punch when I said "breath" I realy mean the a well placed
punch in vital organs all right the guy will have difficult to breath
after this hit and split some blood too the idea is when you hit a
opponent with Kidneys punch he lost a 1 level of stamina for 2 turns
after this time the guy recover the normal stamina.

About clinching I known it appears useless but think well for my concept
when you clinch a opponent is like a susteinted hold but you can make
something while you clinch maybe use regeneration or leech but you can
note clinch is a faster manuver this can make a grab more easier of
course the user must be strong to keep his prey under
his holding.

Jade M Prout wrote:

> Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
>
> >Jaw Punch or Knockout Punch: Like the name said the boxer make a powerfull cross aiming the opponent jaw, I don4t known the biologic effect maybe the Brain move a litle inside the head but I see many fights end in the first round with well place Jaw punch.
> >Requisites: Punch 3
> >Cost: 1 willpower
> >Speed: +1
> >Damage: +5
> >Movement: None
> >Special Efect: The Jaw punch can make his target stun but only if the target
> >fail in stamina test.
>
> This seems a little too powerful... as much damage as a Buffalo Punch but as fast as Hyperfist? I think if it's going to be that fast, mellow out on the damage. Maybe Damage +0, but if you score at least two successes, the opponent is automatically Dizzy? Or maybe
> the Damage is +0 but it's Aggravated!!!
>
> >Kidneys Punch: A low punch with a destination the Kidneys area isn4t a very quickly move but this isn4t the idea when the target hit his stamina is 1/2 for soaking purposes except of course if he4s blocking.
> >Special: When a target is hit by a Kidneys Punch his stamina down 1 point by punch for 2 turns because the objective is remove the "breath" of opponent, after 2 turns the stamina return to his normal level.
>
> Really? I thought the objective of a Kidney Punch was to make your opponent piss blood!
>
> Clinching is a good idea, but I don't think it's necessary... If you caught someone in a Brain Cracker and sustained the hold for the following turn, they are unable to act on the following turn, right? When it's time to roll damage, you can say "No, I'm just clinching him, no damage."
> Your opponent would still be unable to act.
>
> I have a Boxer with a Block to Brain Cracker, who also has Brain Cracker to Rekka Ken Fierce (Dizzy of course!) When he clinches you, you're history! I think with Brain Cracker available, why just clinch? The moves you listed for use with Clinch were right on the money, but I think they'd work best in a Combo like the one above.
>
> Other good moves for "dirty" boxing: Elbow Smash and Suplex! And if you saw Riddick VS Bowe a few years back, you've seen how effective a Low Blow can be!
>
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I think you will not show your triks to the crowd friend :). But we need
wait Jeff Y response.

Jade M Prout wrote:

> Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
> > 3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
> > 5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
> >folks challenge everybody I say this because knownledge is power belive me in this point.
>
> Okay! I still have to plan my tactics, though, and make some last minute changes... how many points for Talents, Skills, and Knowledges? I forgot again. Let me know, and I'll give you the complete character with tactics...
>
> When I'm done, I'd like to challenge Ghost Bear, assuming he's a Native American Wrestler... I want to see how good a wrestler Suzuki really is. (He's a Japanese peasant born with Gigantism who found fame and fortune in Sumo)
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