Chris Hoffmann wrote:
hat's funny, in one of my local arcades, you can get excommunicated (or

>rather, the video game equivalent) if you nail a dizzied opponent.

Oh, I was talking about the Super Nintendo version. It's cut-throat in a livingroom.


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>I didn't even know Chow Yun Fat did
> a
> martial art, I know he is just a GOD with guns, that is interesting.

Although the funny thing is, he hates guns in real life.

Tony

--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
wrote:

> Well I will wait for Josh Diemert response and his
> fighter Delta.
>
> Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:
>
> > hmmmmm... Sha Long looked over his opponents with
> a gleam in his eye. He
> > smiled, although it did hurt a bit from his recent
> defeat (or was it a
> > defeat? He had the feeling that this strange
> figure over the tournament had
> > somehow changed the events, but the mental images,
> even for a dragon, were
> > blurry. Prehaps it was just the fact that he had
> taken a really solid hit
> > that jarred his wits).
> > Shaking these thoughts off, he decided it would
> be better to continue to
> > his next fight. These warriors all seemed to be
> the timid type. Nobody was
> > challenging much. Strange for such powerful and
> proud fighters.
> > He picked an opponent at random, since the
> strange figure over the
> > tournament kept himself and the other fighters
> hidden in shadow, until a
> > fight began. One fighter was as good as the next
> in that case.
> > "Delta!" Sha Long called, but not in a
> threatening tone. I challenge you
> > to face me in honorable combat to see who is the
> better warrior."
> >
> > Sha Long challenges Delta
> > -----
> > Out of character: If this is that girl from that
> sit com....

(No, she is not the girl from the sitcom you are
thinking about. Delta is a gladiatrix from Ancient
Rome, raised from birth to fight. Her mother, the
last in a long line of Grecian warriors, had been
imprisoned and forced into slavery. Her greatest wish
is to be free.)

Delta looked up at the figure approaching her, and
nodded. While he seemed to be eager to fight, Delta
resigned herself to her fate with a sigh and raised
fists. "I cannot promise an honorable fight, but I
will fight you."

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Alright...I'm finally back on the bandwagon, so it should be finished by the
end of the week.

I also wanted to bring out the fact that when possible, future issues will
be monthly. But sometimes, especially in my case, I don't have enough time
to work on it, so sometimes it may skip a month. A delay like this one
should not happen again.

Also, I'm wanting help. I need someone to make a text copy of each issue
(just saving as text with line stops won't work, due to the tables and
columns I use). I would also like to get a few more submissions (I'm running
out of my own ideas, and I have a few articles I want to write that will
take up most of the time). I want a banner, similiar to the one on WP#2. I
also want someone who would be able to do at least one or two pieces of
artwork a month. I would really appreciate all this, and it's sure to stop
such delays. The rest is just about Star Wars (the duel scene, and Teras
Kasi) so don't read it if you don't want to get OT. Also, I plan on doing an
article on Star Wars for Street Fighter.

About the Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith scene. I was wrong about where I saw it,
but I'm not wrong about seeing it. I still haven't found my proof, but the
more I was thinking about it I realized that it -wasn't- on a special
effects special on TLC. Instead it was on Fox, as an Episode I special with
Samuel L. Jackson hosting. They showed the ILM guys switching the faces in
one shot, in which it was from a distance just as Maul, Jinn, and Kenobi
entered the room with all of the platforms. I'm telling you, I remember
this.

Second, Teras Kasi isn't the Jedi style. Teras Kasi is just the fighting
style of Arden Lynn in that game, with Hoar and ( I believe) Thok as her
students. If Teras Kasi was the Jedi style, then she would most certainly
have a lightsaber. I also believe the line (As the order of the Jedi
resurfaces, so do the teachings of teras kasi, in the form of Arden Lyn)
thows some people off. I believe that they just meant that as the fighting
art coming back due to Arden Lynn, just as Luke is brining back the Jedi. I
don't believe it meant to show they were related.

Nick Gilliard, the Stunt Coordinator, calls the selection of moves he gave
to the Jedi and Sith, "Jedi Style." Personally, I prefer "Jedi Arts" due to
this line: "I don't know...but he was well trained in the Jedi arts." Note
at that point they hadn't seen Maul use the Force, except perhaps to help
him duel.

> 'The Kraken Files' could be a sub-page on the main
> one, detailing Shadowlaw in all it's glory and
> dishonor.

Cool!

>It could include:
>
> * Various Bosses and Overlords around the world, their
> operations, and henchies.

The book have some information about it. But's very vague. It could
have stats, name of the bosses/overlords and their bases locations.

> * Shadowlaw activities in every major nation.

Hmmm... well, Brazil is having a lot of politic corruption (I know
that a lot of places have it, but just here in Brazil, the politics
steal money from ppl and candidates again). How they surpass the law,
and justice etc.

> * Various Street Fighter teams to pit your vict..er, I
> mean players against. >;-P

Yep. Why not introduce the 'Psycho Squad', this is the squad with
Juni
and Juli and other girls. I think that the total is 10 girls
including Juni Juli and Cammy. I'll reseach a little more about it.

> * And whatever else you want to add to Shadowlaw.

The Psycho Drive would be a great weapon of destruction. It should be
placed between the Undercity and The Depths of Mriganka.
Bison's body can't hold anymore the powers that the meteorite gaves
to
him, so he uses to Psycho Drive to heals his body, making him almost
immortal.

I'm telling too much about my organization.

Vega/Bison

I know Teras Kasi is not the fighting style of the Jedi. And yes, it was
Lyn and Hoar. Thok had his own style. I believe it was "cheating". hehe

BUT:

It doesn't seem plausible to you that Lord Sidious corrupted a Teras Kasi
master in order to have an "instant" thug? Think about it; if 'true'
martial arts were a rare thing in the Star Wars universe, than the Jedi
would have a *real* difficult time dealing with the 'unconventional' Teras
Kasi style. To me, Maul was a throwaway character, cool as he was. Sidious
saw much farther than Maul's induction into the Sith; he saw Maul's death at
the hands of a young Jedi, whose apprentice Sidious could then steal as
'retribution' (you kill my apprentice, I steal yours) and unleash upon the
galaxy as the most powerful Dark Jedi anyone had ever seen. Maul was
pawn... no more, no less.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 6:13 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] About Warrior's Pride (and a little OT)

>Alright...I'm finally back on the bandwagon, so it should be finished by

the

>end of the week.
>
>I also wanted to bring out the fact that when possible, future issues will
>be monthly. But sometimes, especially in my case, I don't have enough time
>to work on it, so sometimes it may skip a month. A delay like this one
>should not happen again.
>
>Also, I'm wanting help. I need someone to make a text copy of each issue
>(just saving as text with line stops won't work, due to the tables and
>columns I use). I would also like to get a few more submissions (I'm

running

>out of my own ideas, and I have a few articles I want to write that will
>take up most of the time). I want a banner, similiar to the one on WP#2. I
>also want someone who would be able to do at least one or two pieces of
>artwork a month. I would really appreciate all this, and it's sure to stop
>such delays. The rest is just about Star Wars (the duel scene, and Teras
>Kasi) so don't read it if you don't want to get OT. Also, I plan on doing

an

>article on Star Wars for Street Fighter.
>
>About the Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith scene. I was wrong about where I saw it,
>but I'm not wrong about seeing it. I still haven't found my proof, but the
>more I was thinking about it I realized that it -wasn't- on a special
>effects special on TLC. Instead it was on Fox, as an Episode I special with
>Samuel L. Jackson hosting. They showed the ILM guys switching the faces in
>one shot, in which it was from a distance just as Maul, Jinn, and Kenobi
>entered the room with all of the platforms. I'm telling you, I remember
>this.
>
>Second, Teras Kasi isn't the Jedi style. Teras Kasi is just the fighting
>style of Arden Lynn in that game, with Hoar and ( I believe) Thok as her
>students. If Teras Kasi was the Jedi style, then she would most certainly
>have a lightsaber. I also believe the line (As the order of the Jedi
>resurfaces, so do the teachings of teras kasi, in the form of Arden Lyn)
>thows some people off. I believe that they just meant that as the fighting
>art coming back due to Arden Lynn, just as Luke is brining back the Jedi. I
>don't believe it meant to show they were related.
>
>Nick Gilliard, the Stunt Coordinator, calls the selection of moves he gave
>to the Jedi and Sith, "Jedi Style." Personally, I prefer "Jedi Arts" due to
>this line: "I don't know...but he was well trained in the Jedi arts." Note
>at that point they hadn't seen Maul use the Force, except perhaps to help
>him duel.
>
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OK, I've seen it, just wasn't familiar with the official, technical term

-----Original Message-----
From: slpstck@... <slpstck@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honor

>In a message dated 5/8/00 5:52:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>joespitt@... writes:
>
><< I'm not familair with the DX crotch-chop. >>
>the D-X crotch chop is the ever so popular taunting method of those

loveable

>wrestling heels, D-Generation X. to do the chop, follow these easy steps.
>1) spread your feet a little more then shoulder with apart.
>2) raise both of your hands, one to either side, above your head.
>3) bring them down, crossing the wrists above your groin.
>4) yell "SUCK IT!".
>
>easy, no?
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>> If it's some sort of insult to the opponent, then you're showing off (+1

glory, +0 honor, sf 56).

>
>Um, I can read and I know the page, thanks.

Your welcome. It's wonderful that you can read. Many people can't.

>
>> In my opinion, you would lose honor for attacking a dizzied opponent and

neither gain nor lose honor for taking a defensive posture (i.e., blocking,
and gaining the Speed bonus). In this case not striking your opponent is
more honorable than "crotch shoting" him.

>
>You still don't see the point, which is that if you are SHOWING OFF you are

NOT STRIKING.

True. However, I was attempting to assert that there is a diffrence in HOW
you don't strike your enemy in reguard to honor, obviously. Bowing to your
opponent and giving him the finger - there's a subtle diffrence.

>
>> However, let's define "defensive posture". This would mean a posture

that was intended to be followed by a defensive move, such as a block or
movement-based Maneuver.

>
>No, by Defensive Posture I just meant Block.

Then just say Block

>
>> A Maneuver designed to be followed by an attack would be a "offensive

posture", would it not? Preparing to strike by blocking, especialy in the
case that it is part of a>combo, is the beginning of an attack. So you ARE
attcking

>
>Sure, Block is Offensive, whatever!

Using a Block in part of a combo or for it's Speed bonus could be (easily)
seen as "drawing back" before the next hit, the beginning of an attack (just
like combining many special Maneuvers with an attack for their bonuses). In
such case the attack would be using it in an offensive manner, yes. WHY
would you block while your opponent was dizzied if not for a bonus to your
next attack???!! That's offensive!

>
>>Regeneration isn't an attack and gives it's user no bonus to Speed. The

character would gain honor, as he has used the turn in a defensive manner.

>
>What? Now you're saying it's MORE honorable to use a mystic power to gain

extra Health Levels in the middle of a tournament match than it is to Block?

See my last comment here. The Block would be used to gain a bonus to an
attack. Using one's own abilities to heal is not honorable in itself, nor
dishonorable. It is more honorable than using the temporary weakness of your
opponent against him, however.
I will concur here that the person that should decide if Regeneration used
while an opponent is dizzied is questionable is the Storyteller first and
foremost, but also the plater and his view of the character's moral views.
Obviously, healing from bruises and hits to the body would not be readily
apparent to viewers if they did not know about such powers, and so the
question of honor lies within the fighter. Like it says in the book, honor
is just as much within a fighter as without.

>Did I mention WHATEVER?

You didn't check? I thought you could read....

>>Not striking or preparing to strike a dizzied opponent, and not taking

time to gloat or show off during that time (+1 honor, +1 glory)

>>
>>Taking a turn to pose/show off (while the opponent uses a defensive

Maneuver

>>or is Dizzied) (+0 honor, +1 glory)
>>
>>This makes a HELL of a lot more sense.
>
>Oh hell no it doesn't. Why should you get the same amount of glory for

showing off as you would for standing there?

Because the crowd would be taken aback by someone not taking advantage of
the situation, who felt confident enough to fight as an equal. On the same
note, a crowd loves a good showoff. Equal bonus.

>>Why would anyone ever show off?

Roleplaying.

>>And what difference does it make if your opponent is using a defensive

posture?

It wouldn't make any diffrence, if we are still taking honor here. His
defensive posture would neither gain or lose his honor or yours, in the
system I prefer.

>
>Look, why don't you just add me to your spamblock list or something?

Because this list is about discussion and debate over the Street Fighter
books and their rules, which I rather enjoy. No need to become defensive!
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk.

joespitt

If you look over the old messages, I typed up the Jedi Training style long
ago. Does anyone have that handy to post again?

joespitt

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne French <gero24@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:33 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?

>has anyone came up with some form of alien martial arts style?
>
>Like a Star Trek varient:
>
> Klingon 'Kla Pah Tok' or Vulcan 'Neth Do Shen'
>i may have my spelling off, but I think these are style?
>
>what about the star wars universe?
>
>is the sith style that darth maul uses availible. (i know its wu hsu,
>but this would be a special variant) or perhaps a Jedi or Sith as a
>style just kinda lose the light saber bit.
>
>as for famous people as street fighters
>
>try to write the following up:
>
>Jet Li (the man)
>Jackie Chan (the man who is too old, but too cool to stop)
>Darth Maul (without lightsaber)
>Wesly Snipes (he is quite goodn not great but good at martial arts)
>Kazuya Mishahama (Tekken 1 & 2)
>Hehachi Mishahama (Tekken 1, 2, & 3)
>Paul Phoenix (Tekken 1, 2, & 3)
>Eric Draven (the crow, dont forget his regeneration)
>Qui Chan Cain (from the old series not the cheezy 1990's one)
>Chuck Norris (old but can kick a$$ for real)
>
>i think that is about it, i am interested if anyone has decided to
>overhaul the combat system in Streetfighter, i have been running my
>system closer to the white wolf combat system and over hauled that to
>include up to 28 levels of health, its a long explanation. If anyone
>is interested simplly respond, and i will get back to ya asap
>
>Gero
>
>
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The Encyclopedia Combatica has a good version of Telekenesis and other
powers that can easily be converted into Jedi-type fighting styles.

joespitt
http://www.tsixroads.com/joespitt/StreetFighter.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?

>In order of your famous people:
>
>Jet Li - fast as all hell, I would give him dex 5, str 3, stam 3, kick 3,
>ath 4, punch 2, yes he is very fluid and a national forms champ, but he is
>NOT a fighter. . . .doing fight scenes in movies is a little different from
>actually fighting. . . . . .
>
>Jackie Chan - Tough to call, the man was a traditional kung fu stylist when
>he started out, if you watch any of his old movies, that is text book kung
>fu, however since he moved to a more cinematic style, he has admitted to
>forgetting a lot of it. But the man's techniques should be high, maybe
>punch 4, kick 4, athletics 4
>
>Darth Maul cannot be made with the system, all the Jedis use Telekinesis,
>which we did consider bringing into the game, but it would be so incredibly
>unbalancing, we just let it go, GURPS has a good jedi style called force
>swordsmanship. . . . .
>
>Wesley snipes does capoeira in real life, but his techniques should be well
>below a rank one, maybe ath 2, kick 2 punch 2, and I wouldn't give him any
>special moves. . . . .
>
>The Mishimas - I did make Mishima Ryu karate, and replicated their power
>block, basically declare it and use psychokinetic channeling (+2 damage)
>with maka wara. Heihatchi also has the chi push, hurricane kick, and dragon
>punch, double dread, etc, if you want to see the style, let me know and
>I'll post it, it is a variant of shotokan. . . .
>
>Chuck Norris - Is there a better candidate to actually have the stepping
>front kick as well as the double dread kick? I can see chuck with a kick of
>5 and a punch of 3 or 4, and BLOCK. I respect him as a fighter, and among
>actors, he may be the only one to ever actually fight full contact. . .
>
>
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I have no problem with the glory thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honor

>My money is on blocking being not striking. We all know the book is a
>little shady at times, but this is VERY obvious it says, not striking a
>dizzied opponent, last time I checked, a block (even with maka wara or
>energy reflection) does NO damage unless someone attacks you first. You
>should ALSO gain the +1 glory for showing off if you take a turn to taunt
>your dizzied opponent, this is actually the one area where the book is
>clear. . . .
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like.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 3:13 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] About Warrior's Pride (and a little OT)

>Alright...I'm finally back on the bandwagon, so it should be finished by

the

>end of the week.
>
>I also wanted to bring out the fact that when possible, future issues will
>be monthly. But sometimes, especially in my case, I don't have enough time
>to work on it, so sometimes it may skip a month. A delay like this one
>should not happen again.
>
>Also, I'm wanting help. I need someone to make a text copy of each issue
>(just saving as text with line stops won't work, due to the tables and
>columns I use). I would also like to get a few more submissions (I'm

running

>out of my own ideas, and I have a few articles I want to write that will
>take up most of the time). I want a banner, similiar to the one on WP#2. I
>also want someone who would be able to do at least one or two pieces of
>artwork a month. I would really appreciate all this, and it's sure to stop
>such delays. The rest is just about Star Wars (the duel scene, and Teras
>Kasi) so don't read it if you don't want to get OT. Also, I plan on doing

an

>article on Star Wars for Street Fighter.
>
>About the Star Wars Jedi vs. Sith scene. I was wrong about where I saw it,
>but I'm not wrong about seeing it. I still haven't found my proof, but the
>more I was thinking about it I realized that it -wasn't- on a special
>effects special on TLC. Instead it was on Fox, as an Episode I special with
>Samuel L. Jackson hosting. They showed the ILM guys switching the faces in
>one shot, in which it was from a distance just as Maul, Jinn, and Kenobi
>entered the room with all of the platforms. I'm telling you, I remember
>this.
>
>Second, Teras Kasi isn't the Jedi style. Teras Kasi is just the fighting
>style of Arden Lynn in that game, with Hoar and ( I believe) Thok as her
>students. If Teras Kasi was the Jedi style, then she would most certainly
>have a lightsaber. I also believe the line (As the order of the Jedi
>resurfaces, so do the teachings of teras kasi, in the form of Arden Lyn)
>thows some people off. I believe that they just meant that as the fighting
>art coming back due to Arden Lynn, just as Luke is brining back the Jedi. I
>don't believe it meant to show they were related.
>
>Nick Gilliard, the Stunt Coordinator, calls the selection of moves he gave
>to the Jedi and Sith, "Jedi Style." Personally, I prefer "Jedi Arts" due to
>this line: "I don't know...but he was well trained in the Jedi arts." Note
>at that point they hadn't seen Maul use the Force, except perhaps to help
>him duel.
>
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I don't like the set up of your encyclopedia combatica, I would like a page
of just your new moves seperate from the original, seperated into focus,
punch, kick, etc, not just in alphabetical order. . . .just a thought

Actually Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan sparred together on the set of one of
Bruce's movies-I heard rumors that a very rare film exists of this, but most
likely it is just outtakes with Jackie as an extra and Bruce on screen...

In a message dated 5/9/00 11:48:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fishbn@... writes:

<< Bruce Lee is that he himself was never
in any sort of full contact event. >>

Same where I'm from...
Players have their own Code.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honor


> > Speed isn't everything. I see his point, I just don't think it's
relevant.
> > Keep in mind that in the video game, there is no honor, and if you're
Dizzy,
> > 99 times out of 100 your opponent will take you to hurt city.
>
> That's funny, in one of my local arcades, you can get excommunicated (or
> rather, the video game equivalent) if you nail a dizzied opponent.
>
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Please post any styles you have or e-mail them directially to me
at Gero24@...
subject: Sytle

or any home made maneuvers
subject: Maneuvers

thanx to everyone who send me things, to thes rest i am starting a
streetfighter section on my web site when its done you can all see
the fruits of my labors, and of the creativity of your fellow memebrs
who sent me things


- The Mishimas - I did make Mishima Ryu karate,
- and replicated their power block, basically
- declare it and use psychokinetic channeling +2 damage)
- with maka wara. Heihatchi also has the chi push,
- hurricane kick, and dragon punch, double dread, etc,
- if you want to see the style, let me know and I'll
- post it, it is a variant of shotokan. . . .

Hey Josh you disappear for some time... But tell me you keep your original
plan?

Josh Diemert wrote:

> --- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
> wrote:
> > Well I will wait for Josh Diemert response and his
> > fighter Delta.
> >
> > Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:
> >
> > > hmmmmm... Sha Long looked over his opponents with
> > a gleam in his eye. He
> > > smiled, although it did hurt a bit from his recent
> > defeat (or was it a
> > > defeat? He had the feeling that this strange
> > figure over the tournament had
> > > somehow changed the events, but the mental images,
> > even for a dragon, were
> > > blurry. Prehaps it was just the fact that he had
> > taken a really solid hit
> > > that jarred his wits).
> > > Shaking these thoughts off, he decided it would
> > be better to continue to
> > > his next fight. These warriors all seemed to be
> > the timid type. Nobody was
> > > challenging much. Strange for such powerful and
> > proud fighters.
> > > He picked an opponent at random, since the
> > strange figure over the
> > > tournament kept himself and the other fighters
> > hidden in shadow, until a
> > > fight began. One fighter was as good as the next
> > in that case.
> > > "Delta!" Sha Long called, but not in a
> > threatening tone. I challenge you
> > > to face me in honorable combat to see who is the
> > better warrior."
> > >
> > > Sha Long challenges Delta
> > > -----
> > > Out of character: If this is that girl from that
> > sit com....
>
> (No, she is not the girl from the sitcom you are
> thinking about. Delta is a gladiatrix from Ancient
> Rome, raised from birth to fight. Her mother, the
> last in a long line of Grecian warriors, had been
> imprisoned and forced into slavery. Her greatest wish
> is to be free.)
>
> Delta looked up at the figure approaching her, and
> nodded. While he seemed to be eager to fight, Delta
> resigned herself to her fate with a sigh and raised
> fists. "I cannot promise an honorable fight, but I
> will fight you."
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Let´s talk a litle review in that subject by the book a no honor fact is hit a
dizzy opponent or use unbalancing moves for much time and block for 3 times in
sequence, but the idea is a no honor action happen when you take advantage
over the opponent while he´s dizzy or use weapons of course, but let me see if
you have regeneration and use it isn´t a fact of honor and yes of choices all
persons choice what they want in your fighters it´s like the real life with
some differences of course but some fighters have more train than others and
with this they fight better and known better attacks, but if we talk about
honor I preffer keep the book Idea :).

I lost some mail info so I must question about this don´t worry I don´t lost
tactics info or fighters:

I known about these challenges:
1) Sha Long Vs Delta.
2) Rebellion Vs Dragon Reborn.
3) Cliff you challenge Lars Ax again just let me known

Of course I want start this soon but I need more 2 persons to send me
fighters and to start this, wait is boring.

This is what I have so far, I'm trying to decide whether to make a new move for Heihatchi's force projection, new moves are at the bottom. . . . .

Mishima Karate
Chi: 3
Willpower: 4

Moves:
Punch
Dim Mak 4
Dragon Punch 4
Head Butt 1

Kick
Air Hurricane 1
Double Hit Kick 1
Double Dread Kick 4
Foot Sweep 1
Hurricane Kick 4
Spinning Thrust Kick 1

Block
Maka Wara 3
Power Block 1
San He 3

Grab
Backroll Throw 1
Brain Cracker 1
God Hand 4
Grappling Defense 4
Head Butt Hold 2
Psychokinetic Hold 2

Athletics
Breakfall 1
Drunken Monkey Roll 2


Focus
Chi Kung Healing 3
Fireball 3
Psychokinetic Channeling 3
Toughskin 2

Power Block
Pre-requisites: Block ***, Focus ***, Psychokinetic Channeling, Maka Wara
Power Points: Any 1
Spd: +3
Damage: +2 in addition to Maka Wara
Move: 0
Cost: 1 chi

God Hand
Pre-requisites: Grab *****,  Focus ***,  Shock Treatment
Power Points:  Any 5
         Characters are knocked down after the hold is broken or released. Grappling defense does not add to soak.
Spd: +0
Damage: (Focus + Intelligence + 4)
Move: 1
Cost: 2 chi first turn, 1 chi per round to maintain

Psychokinetic Hold
Pre-requisites: Psychokinetic Channeling, Brain Cracker
Power Points: Mishima Karate 2, Any 3
Spd: +0
Damage: + 4
Move: 1
Cost: 1 chi per turn sustained

--- Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...> wrote:

>
> Oh, I was talking about the Super Nintendo version. It's cut-throat in a
> livingroom.

Ah, that _is_ a different case. No mercy given, no mercy expected, not on my Playstation.

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--- Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...> wrote:

> Alright...I'm finally back on the bandwagon, so it should be finished by the
> end of the week.

Does the engineer's happy dance!

> I also wanted to bring out the fact that when possible, future issues will
> be monthly. But sometimes, especially in my case, I don't have enough time
> to work on it, so sometimes it may skip a month. A delay like this one
> should not happen again.

Does the Mesopotamian dance of joy of love of beer!

> Also, I'm wanting help. I need someone to make a text copy of each issue
> (just saving as text with line stops won't work, due to the tables and
> columns I use).

I'm your man. I've been doing that since about the fourth grade.

I would also like to get a few more submissions (I'm running

> out of my own ideas, and I have a few articles I want to write that will
> take up most of the time). I want a banner, similiar to the one on WP#2. I
> also want someone who would be able to do at least one or two pieces of
> artwork a month.

I'm not your man. Art scares me.

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I'm not saying that the book is wrong, and if you want a clear-cut,
same-thing-every-time rule, it works fine, nothing wrong with it at all.
Most Street Fighter rules are made just like this. I'm just saying that I
don't think the chart was made to be taken that way, it was designed with
very simple examples to be used as guidelines, that's all. Like I said
before, the game designers went out of their way to mention that the chart
was in no way a complete listing of all the various possibilities involved
in the ring. or straight out combat it works, though, but I suppose I prefer
the roleplaying side of Street Fighter or any other game.

joespitt

-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honor

>Let´s talk a litle review in that subject by the book a no honor fact is

hit a

>dizzy opponent or use unbalancing moves for much time and block for 3 times

in

>sequence, but the idea is a no honor action happen when you take advantage
>over the opponent while he´s dizzy or use weapons of course, but let me see

if

>you have regeneration and use it isn´t a fact of honor and yes of choices

all

>persons choice what they want in your fighters it´s like the real life with
>some differences of course but some fighters have more train than others

and

>with this they fight better and known better attacks, but if we talk about
>honor I preffer keep the book Idea :).
>
>
>
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The New Maneuvers from the Encyclopedia can be found by themselves on my
Street Fighter page, under "New Maneuvers".
The new Maneuvers are highlighted in the back of the book, and in
alphabetical order according to Technique. So there =)
Make sure to look over the Errata section of my page for a (very) few
corrections to the Combatica. Thanks!

joespitt

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From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] wisdom . . any comments?

>I don't like the set up of your encyclopedia combatica, I would like a page
>of just your new moves seperate from the original, seperated into focus,
>punch, kick, etc, not just in alphabetical order. . . .just a thought
>
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Sha Long (pronounced Shay-Long) Player: J. Scott Pittman Style: Kung Fu
Country: China ?

Appearance: Sha Long appears as an old man, with a receding hairline and
long hair that drapes down his back. His
narrow eyes seem bright and wise. He wears a long robe that almost
completely hides his body, but what does show of
his arms and hands are covered with tatoos of some ancient language. He
stands firmly on his white-shoed feet and
bows deeply.

Quote before fight: "I have heard of you, and know of you. Face me to
find if you are indeed a warrior."

Vs

Delta Player: Josh Diemert Style: Pankration Country: Rome Empire.

Appearance: Short, black hair, wild & all over Dark Brown eyes Tanned
Complexion

Outfit: Thigh-length sleeveless dove grey tunic tied at both shoulders
Leather Sandals with lacing up to her knees Iron slave collar, leather
wrist wraps and belt.

Quote before fight: "Ave, imperator, morituri te salutant."
(Translation: Hail, emperor, those who will die salute you.)

Arena: Guardian Island sanctuary in the top the mountain.
Fighters are 3 hexes of each other.

Move 1- Delta block and Sha Long block too.
Move 2- Sha Long try to hit Delta with his Lightning Leg for combo
(dizzy) activate Zen No Mind (PBEM Version), Toughskin but Delta is more
faster move 3 hexes and make Flying Tackle for combo and Sha Long
receive: no damage...and both fighters stay at their places.
Move 3- Sha Long block using Toughskin and Delta make a Back Roll Throw
and Sha Long receives: 2 points of damage and Sha Long fly 4 hexes and
suffer knockdown broken his combo.
Move 4- Sha Long abort his attack and block with Toughskin and Delta
move 4 hexes and make Spinning Knuckle and Sha Long receive: 1 point of
damage and no damage.
Move 5- Sha Long try to hit Delta with his Lightning Leg for combo
(dizzy) activate Zen No Mind (PBEM Version), Toughskin but Delta is more
faster and make a Knee Basher and Sha Long receive: 2 points of damage.
Strenght test to break hold and Sha Long break Delta hold but suffer
knockdown (effect of Knee Basher).
Move 6- Sha Long try to hit Delta with his Lightning Leg for combo
(dizzy) activate Zen No Mind (PBEM Version), Toughskin but Delta is more
faster and Sha Long receive: No damage and Sha Long hit his Lightning
Leg for combo (dizzy) and Delta receive: 6 points of damage, 2 points of
damage, 2 points of damage and with this damage Delta is dizzy.
Move 7- Delta is dizzy and Sha Long place his hands together and
concentrate, letting his opponent stand again.
Move 8- Delta recover from dizzy and make Shock Treatment and Sha Long
try to make a Lightning Leg for combo (dizzy) using Toughskin and Zen No
Mind (PBEM) but is too slow and Sha Long receive: 3 points of damage and
suffer knockdown.
Move 9- Sha Long try to hit Delta with his Lightning Leg for combo
(dizzy) activate Zen No Mind (PBEM Version), Toughskin but Delta is more
faster using Slide Kick and Sha Long receive: no damage... and Sha Long
hit his Lightning Leg (no willpower for rest of the combo) and Delta
receive: 2 points of damage, 7 points of damage and 4 points of damage
and Delta colapse falling on the ground is a knockout.
Sha Long wins by knockout.
Sha Long Signature: Sha Long's eyes glow red and smoke curls from his
nostrils, but he stands, palms together, in
peace. "True power comes from within. Be at peace and you will find this
truth. Let it serve you as it has done me this
day."

Rebellion Player: Chris Hoffmann Style: Special Forces Country: Japan.

Appearance: The first thing you notice about Rebellion is that she is
perhapse
the most incredibly beautiful woman that you or anyone has ever seen.
She has
Asian features with long black hair, large almond shaped green eyes,
olive skin
and a better body than Chun-Li and Rose put together. She looks to be
in her
late teens or early twenties but is acutally almost fifty years old due
to
retardation of the ageing process.

The second thing you notice is that she is well over ten feet tall.

If you stuck around long enough to notice anything else, you see that
she
favors a sand colored tunic with a hood and face wrap to let her blend
into the
desert better. During the rare times when she's feeling nostalgic,
she'll put
on her old military uniform which is an odd cross between the styles of
the
Japanese Self-Defense force and Israel's Mossad of the twentieth
century.

Quote before fight: "The essence of victory is not strength, or skill,
or even
speed. It is
not your weapons, your numbers, your training, your tactics or your
strategies
or any of the thousand thousand variables strategists have over the
millenia
claimed to be the end all of victory.

It is the ability to survive. If you can endure the time it takes to
learn how
to beat your enemy, then you will win. If you refuse to stay down, no
matter
how hard your enemy drives your face into the rocks, no matter how you
body
screams out for relief, you can not loose. This is what it will take to
be
free."

Vs

The Dragon Reborn Style: Jeet Kune Do Player Jens Arthur Leirbakk
Country: Unknown.

Appearance: The Dragon Reborn is an Asian-looking man with an uncanny
resemblance to a certain dead, famous martial artist. His animal-like
grace and speed is familiar, yet not. Sometimes, when looking at him
through the corner of your eye, you imagine seeing a faint shimmer
around
him - as if a dragon was coiling and uncoiling through him at times. A
ghost dragon? Nevertheless, his quick, easy steps suggest that his
martial
art value speed over power - something that isn't unusual when talking
about Jeet Kune Do.

Quote: "Boards don't hit back", "I'll be honored to test your Kung Fu
against mine".

Arena: Guardian Island beach no one is near except the fighters.
Fighters are 3 hexes from each other.

Move 1- The Dragon Reborn start the Speed of Mongoose for his combo and
Rebellion move 3 hexes and make Double Hit Kick for her combo (dizzy)
and The Dragon Reborn receive: 3 points of damage and 2 points of
damage.
Move 2- Rebellion try abort to block but Dragon Reborn is more faster
with his Cartwheel Kick and Rebellion receive: 2,2,2,1,3,2,1,4, 2,1
points of damage and with this damage a knockout happen.
Dragon Reborn wins by Knockout.

Here it is...

--- "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...> wrote:

> Although not nearly as humorous as some I have seen, here's a Style I
> thought was fun to make:
>
> Jedi Knight Training
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, there was a group of beings that
> called upon The Force to protect the galaxy. Thier power was legendary, and
> they used it wisely, except for those who gave in to The Dark Side, and
> became the Sith. Calling upon strange powers, and using thier elegant
> Lightsabers, they were the champions, and villans, of the universe.
>
> Schools: Wherever a master can be found, and they are very rare. Characters
> may travel the galaxy and never find a master.
>
> Members: Masters do not take students easily, and even those who have shown
> great skill and success are still sometimes refused for the training.
> Sometimes a student will stay with a master for years, but he is never
> required to do so, and can leave when he feels the time is right, but will
> normally do so only when his master informs his his training is complete.
>
> Concepts: Jedi in training, alien with "natural attunement" for the force
>
> Chi: 5
> Willpower: 2
>
> Quote: "You must do what you feel is right, of course..."
>
> Special Maneuvers (those presented with an (*) are described in the
> Encyclopedia Combatica)
>
> Punch:
> Dim Mak
>
> Kick:
> Backflip Kick
>
> Block:
> Energy Reflection
> Missle Reflection
>
> Grab:
> Neck Choke (Sith Only)
>
> Athletics:
> Animae Leap*
> Backflip
> Breakfall
> Jump
> Lightfeet
>
> Focus
> Balance
> Chi Kung Healing
> Cobra Charm
> Future Sense*
> Ghost Form (can be learned but not used until death, applies after death,
> allowing the jedi to stay in the material world for an unspecified amount of
> time - apparently, to be able to use this power, the character has to
> willingly die (as did ben kenobi, anakin skywalker and yoda; other
> characters who have been shown that hve died in a moment of violence have
> not appeared in a Ghost Form).
> Lightning*
> Mind Control
> Psychic Vise
> Mind Reading
> Telepathy
> Push
> Sakki
> Shocking Grasp
> Telekenesis*
> Telekenesis, Improved*
>
> Practitioners of Jedi Training also must learn the use of the Lightsaber
> (maneuvers are identical to Swordfighting*). The Lightsaber has the
> following modifiers:
>
> Technique: Unique (Lightsaber)
> Speed: +2
> Damage: +6
> Move: +1
> Specials: Easily concealed; destroys any other weapon used to parry it's
> attack (excpet another Lightsaber); cannot be blocked (unless the opposing
> character has a speial means of blocking, such as a force field or
> force-field reinforced armor, for example). Lighsabers are very rare.

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--- azathoth05@... wrote:

> Actually Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan sparred together
> on the set of one of
> Bruce's movies-I heard rumors that a very rare film
> exists of this, but most
> likely it is just outtakes with Jackie as an extra
> and Bruce on screen...

Speaking of Jackie Chan, has anyone seen promos for
his newest movie, "Shanghai Noon"? Talk about Kung Fu
Westerns. It may seem cheesy, but it gives a good
example of how martial arts can fit into any
background, any genre, and any time period. I may
just come up with several "alternate" campaign worlds
to send in to Warrior'r Pride, or post here on the
group, if there's enough interest.

Josh

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Delta looked at her first opponent with a mix of awe
and fear. She had never faced anyone with such power
before, and it worried her. 'If these are just
warm-up fights,' she thought to herself, 'then how am
I going to fare in the actual tourney?'
Never-the-less, Delta resolved to fight as best as she
could, never giving up.

"Good match, Sha Long. Mars must truely be at your
side today."

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Okay, this is good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I have so far:

J. Scott Pittman has volunteered to do the artwork. I'm hoping for one
regular banner for each issue (except that the number would change), and I'm
looking for two to four additional images if possible.

Chris Hoffman, I take it that you mean you'll change each issue to txt
format? If so, it will really help me out.

I'm hoping that I didn't misunderstand either of you, and this will help me
a lot. Thanks.

whew! I hate cartwheel kick

-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Ages Challenge: Rebellion Vs Dragon Reborn.

>Rebellion Player: Chris Hoffmann Style: Special Forces Country: Japan.
>
>Appearance: The first thing you notice about Rebellion is that she is
>perhapse
>the most incredibly beautiful woman that you or anyone has ever seen.
>She has
>Asian features with long black hair, large almond shaped green eyes,
>olive skin
>and a better body than Chun-Li and Rose put together. She looks to be
>in her
>late teens or early twenties but is acutally almost fifty years old due
>to
>retardation of the ageing process.
>
>The second thing you notice is that she is well over ten feet tall.
>
>If you stuck around long enough to notice anything else, you see that
>she
>favors a sand colored tunic with a hood and face wrap to let her blend
>into the
>desert better. During the rare times when she's feeling nostalgic,
>she'll put
>on her old military uniform which is an odd cross between the styles of
>the
>Japanese Self-Defense force and Israel's Mossad of the twentieth
>century.
>
>Quote before fight: "The essence of victory is not strength, or skill,
>or even
>speed. It is
>not your weapons, your numbers, your training, your tactics or your
>strategies
>or any of the thousand thousand variables strategists have over the
>millenia
>claimed to be the end all of victory.
>
>It is the ability to survive. If you can endure the time it takes to
>learn how
>to beat your enemy, then you will win. If you refuse to stay down, no
>matter
>how hard your enemy drives your face into the rocks, no matter how you
>body
>screams out for relief, you can not loose. This is what it will take to
>be
>free."
>
> Vs
>
>The Dragon Reborn Style: Jeet Kune Do Player Jens Arthur Leirbakk
>Country: Unknown.
>
>Appearance: The Dragon Reborn is an Asian-looking man with an uncanny
>resemblance to a certain dead, famous martial artist. His animal-like
>grace and speed is familiar, yet not. Sometimes, when looking at him
>through the corner of your eye, you imagine seeing a faint shimmer
>around
>him - as if a dragon was coiling and uncoiling through him at times. A
>ghost dragon? Nevertheless, his quick, easy steps suggest that his
>martial
>art value speed over power - something that isn't unusual when talking
>about Jeet Kune Do.
>
>Quote: "Boards don't hit back", "I'll be honored to test your Kung Fu
>against mine".
>
>Arena: Guardian Island beach no one is near except the fighters.
>Fighters are 3 hexes from each other.
>
>Move 1- The Dragon Reborn start the Speed of Mongoose for his combo and
>Rebellion move 3 hexes and make Double Hit Kick for her combo (dizzy)
>and The Dragon Reborn receive: 3 points of damage and 2 points of
>damage.
>Move 2- Rebellion try abort to block but Dragon Reborn is more faster
>with his Cartwheel Kick and Rebellion receive: 2,2,2,1,3,2,1,4, 2,1
>points of damage and with this damage a knockout happen.
>Dragon Reborn wins by Knockout.
>
>
>
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"You fought well. Ha! I am glad you think so highly of my skill, but it
appears that this Dragon Reborn is the true threat to us in the tournament."

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Diemert <boomergold@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Ages Challenge: Sha Long Vs Delta.

>Delta looked at her first opponent with a mix of awe
>and fear. She had never faced anyone with such power
>before, and it worried her. 'If these are just
>warm-up fights,' she thought to herself, 'then how am
>I going to fare in the actual tourney?'
>Never-the-less, Delta resolved to fight as best as she
>could, never giving up.
>
>"Good match, Sha Long. Mars must truely be at your
>side today."
>
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cool. I'll come up with a standard format for the banner, and a few sketches
per issue shouldn't be hard.
Can you do these issues in Microsoft Word format? That would be great!

joespitt

-----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] About Warrior's Pride

>Okay, this is good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I have so

far:

>
>J. Scott Pittman has volunteered to do the artwork. I'm hoping for one
>regular banner for each issue (except that the number would change), and

I'm

>looking for two to four additional images if possible.
>
>Chris Hoffman, I take it that you mean you'll change each issue to txt
>format? If so, it will really help me out.
>
>I'm hoping that I didn't misunderstand either of you, and this will help me
>a lot. Thanks.
>
>
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Does anyone know any good sites with a complete backround on Soul Caliber and
the Chars, or maybe have soul Caliber charecters already made up as world
warriors.

Thanks
Mike

--- Dustin Wolfe <lancer1@...> wrote:

> Okay, this is good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I have so far:
>
> J. Scott Pittman has volunteered to do the artwork. I'm hoping for one
> regular banner for each issue (except that the number would change), and I'm
> looking for two to four additional images if possible.

You'll have to talk to the Pitman 'bout dat, I just type here.

> Chris Hoffman, I take it that you mean you'll change each issue to txt
> format? If so, it will really help me out.

You are correct, sir! Do you want me to start with the back issues?

> I'm hoping that I didn't misunderstand either of you, and this will help me
> a lot. Thanks.

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Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:

>I was attempting to assert that there is a diffrence in HOW you don't strike your enemy in reguard to honor, obviously. Bowing to your opponent and giving him the finger - there's a subtle diffrence.

Granted, but I think the major point of contention here is that you think the bonuses on the chart are non-cumulative, and I think they are cumulative. For example:

If your opponent is Dizzy and you Roundhouse him, knocking him out cold to win the match, you get -1 Honor for Striking a Dizzy opponent, -2 Honor AND +1 Glory for knocking a Dizzy opponent unconscious, and +1 Glory for winning a match. Your total Glory/Bonus awards for the match would be -3 Honor and +2 Glory...

Another example: The same opponent is Dizzy, only this time, instead of striking him, you start breakdancing. When he comes to, he hits you with a Fireball and wins the match. You would get +1 Honor and +1 Glory for Not striking a Dizzy opponent, +1 Glory for taking a turn to Show Off, -1 Glory for Losing a match, and +1 Honor for Losing because you fought honorably. Total this time: +2 Honor and +1 Glory.

I know the chart is merely a guideline, but I also think it's a pretty good one (although by no means comprehensive)

A quick look at the Honor awards will show you that cowardly and/or bully-like actions are dishonorable, and acts of bravery and/or selflessness are honorable. Is it cowardly or brutish to Block to get a Speed bonus? I don't think so, but if you were the Storyteller you'd be withing your rights to adjust my awards as you saw fit.

>WHY would you block while your opponent was dizzied if not for a bonus to your next attack???!! That's offensive!

No, it's planning ahead. Even if I started a Turn Punch while my opponent was Dizzy and nailed him with it on the following turn, that wouldn't in any way constitute striking a Dizzy opponent. The Dizzy strike rule reflects the fact that if an opponent is unable to defend himself, attacking him could cause serious harm and is therefore Dishonorable. That's why they have a Standing Eight Count in Boxing.

If an opponent isn't Dizzy, he's obligated to defend himself. He can Block, Move, or attack just like you. After all, this is a FIGHT. Offensiveness is a given. A warrior should ALWAYS be prepared to strike... Why not use your best Combo? Maybe I'm just not as honorable as thou.

>The Block would be used to gain a bonus to an

attack. Using one's own abilities to heal is not honorable in itself, nor dishonorable. It is more honorable than using the temporary weakness of your opponent against him, however.

But my point is that by Regenerating while an opponent is Dizzy YOU ARE using his temporary weakness against him! If you're low on health, and you regenerate four health levels while he's Dizzy, you're DEFINITELY taking advantage. It's not a speed bonus, NO, but you're gaining a game-mechanics edge due to the fact that your opponent cannot act. Is a one-time speed bonus less honorable than regaining lost health levels which could last the rest of the match?

>...the crowd would be taken aback at someone not taking advantage of the situation, who felt confident enough to fight as an equal. On the same note, a crowd loves a good showoff. Equal bonus.

I think you're overestimating fight fans. After all, Street Fighting is unsanctioned and quasi-legal at best. These people are mostly bloodthirsty drunkards, middle-aged men with gambling addictions, and kids with violent imaginations. Most of them are disappointed if they don't see a fast knockout.

Of course, it depends where you are... Shaolin Monks would not be impressed by a show-off.

Anyway, Showing off is the best way for "gloryhounds" to get what they crave so desperately, and I think they deserve both points if their opponent is Dizzy. After all, they're not doing anything the least bit OFFENSIVE and they're not PREPARING for anything... they're allowing the opponent PLENTY of time to rally a comeback. Much more honorable than regenerating, and the fans DEFINITELY dig it more than the guy bowing.



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Soul Caliber characters wouldn't be world warriors, first of all they are
only duelists (have you tried fighting with them without their weapons?),
and very highly ranked ones. I would give them a few combos weapon
techniques 4 or 5 with their chosen weapons, maybe some special weapon
maneuvers, but you can't be a world warrior unless you beat another wolrd
warrior and I think it would be a stretch for them to even fight rank 1's
without their weapons (they only have basic techniques and a basic throw
when disarmed). . .. .

In a message dated 5/10/00 12:40:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
lancer1@... writes:

> Okay, this is good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I have so far:

Add me in for Fiction.

I disagree brian tank is as strong and probably as
talented. tanks record speaks for it's self shure he
dosend practice jujitsu, or shoot fighting but he
definatly has some punching power that has alot of
technique. a score of 2 is an average stat in
streetfighter. and to sat he has a 3 or 4, thats
crazy.
remember he was the first ufc ultimate ultimate
champion and he had to face people with strength and
technique and he came out on top. and if im not
mistaken he had to face a couple of people on your
list to and won. maby he dosen't have a seven punch
but it is a least a five. Someone with no tallent
could not acheive so much in ufc and im sure he quit
ufc because ted turner offered him a truck load of
cash.

Cliff


--- brian fish <fishbn@...> wrote:

> You have to remember, Tank is not a skilled fighter,
> he is big, and he is
> strong, he has CRAPPY technique, that's why he had
> to drop out of UFC,
> people like Mark Kerr, Dan Severn, etc. were just as
> strong as him and
> actually had technique. You have to remember, a
> punch technique higher than
> 5 is not human, I would give Tank str 5, Punch 3
> MAYBE 4, a good example of
> someone who could conceivably have a superhuman
> punch, either Bruce Lee
> (obvious reasons), or Mas Oyama, the founder of
> Kyokushinkai Karate, and is
> said to have gone into the mountains doing nothing
> but practicing punches.
> .. . . .
>
>

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Has everyone poasted their votes on my pole?

Cliff

Great...I hadn't noticed you for awhile, arkon, so I didn't know if you were
still on the list. I'm looking foward to getting future installments of
"Legends of the Circuit."

Chris Hoffmann, you don't have to worry about the first two issues, but when
I'm done with the third, you can convert that to .txt format.

J. Scott Pittmann,I appreciate that you'll do it. I've wanted to have
artwork for WP since the first, so I'm looking foward to it. By the way, do
you think that occassionally you may be able to work on something specific,
like a certian character or whatnot?



-----Original Message-----
From: arkondloc@... <arkondloc@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] About Warrior's Pride

>In a message dated 5/10/00 12:40:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
>lancer1@... writes:
>
>> Okay, this is good. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I have so

far:

>
>Add me in for Fiction.
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I wonder if I should say anything about the fact that the UFC is
fixed...

...nah.

-----Original Message-----
From: cliff rice [mailto:shinzite@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 3:14 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Super human wrestlers.



I disagree brian tank is as strong and probably as
talented. tanks record speaks for it's self shure he
dosend practice jujitsu, or shoot fighting but he
definatly has some punching power that has alot of
technique. a score of 2 is an average stat in
streetfighter. and to sat he has a 3 or 4, thats
crazy.
remember he was the first ufc ultimate ultimate
champion and he had to face people with strength and
technique and he came out on top. and if im not
mistaken he had to face a couple of people on your
list to and won. maby he dosen't have a seven punch
but it is a least a five. Someone with no tallent
could not acheive so much in ufc and im sure he quit
ufc because ted turner offered him a truck load of
cash.

Cliff


--- brian fish <fishbn@...> wrote:

> You have to remember, Tank is not a skilled fighter,
> he is big, and he is
> strong, he has CRAPPY technique, that's why he had
> to drop out of UFC,
> people like Mark Kerr, Dan Severn, etc. were just as
> strong as him and
> actually had technique. You have to remember, a
> punch technique higher than
> 5 is not human, I would give Tank str 5, Punch 3
> MAYBE 4, a good example of
> someone who could conceivably have a superhuman
> punch, either Bruce Lee
> (obvious reasons), or Mas Oyama, the founder of
> Kyokushinkai Karate, and is
> said to have gone into the mountains doing nothing
> but practicing punches.
> .. . . .
>
>

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I have to disagree with you on te technique part, tank is REALLY strong, I
could definately see him with a strength and maybe a stamina of 5. But you
also must remember that although a 2 is average, a 5 is the absolute human
maximum for punching technique. Yes, Tank Abott is a really strong guy,
capable of putting a lof of people down, but that is mostly due to
strength, he is not as good a puncher mechanically as most boxers and he is
sure not the maximum human potential. Tank is a ground and pound fighter,
he take a a guy down, mounts him and beats him severely, and yes, he did
win some UFC tourneys, but the quality of competition they have now was not
around then, Tank wouldn't last five minutes in the octagon with Mark Kerr,
Igor Vovchanchin, or anyone else in that class, he is a brawler. A very
strong brawler, but still a brawler, and that is all he will ever be.

You wouldn't be talking about the Royce Gracie guide to contructive rule
changing, would you??

>
>I wonder if I should say anything about the fact that the UFC is
>fixed...
>
>...nah.

Hey Joe I´m not critic your view point I only show my view point.

Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:

> I'm not saying that the book is wrong, and if you want a clear-cut,
> same-thing-every-time rule, it works fine, nothing wrong with it at all.
> Most Street Fighter rules are made just like this. I'm just saying that I
> don't think the chart was made to be taken that way, it was designed with
> very simple examples to be used as guidelines, that's all. Like I said
> before, the game designers went out of their way to mention that the chart
> was in no way a complete listing of all the various possibilities involved
> in the ring. or straight out combat it works, though, but I suppose I prefer
> the roleplaying side of Street Fighter or any other game.
>
> joespitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 5:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honor
>
> >Let´s talk a litle review in that subject by the book a no honor fact is
> hit a
> >dizzy opponent or use unbalancing moves for much time and block for 3 times
> in
> >sequence, but the idea is a no honor action happen when you take advantage
> >over the opponent while he´s dizzy or use weapons of course, but let me see
> if
> >you have regeneration and use it isn´t a fact of honor and yes of choices
> all
> >persons choice what they want in your fighters it´s like the real life with
> >some differences of course but some fighters have more train than others
> and
> >with this they fight better and known better attacks, but if we talk about
> >honor I preffer keep the book Idea :).
> >
> >
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After his winning Dragon Reborn start to leave the place when a Arabic type
appear in his way and start to talk:

Strange Arabic- Greatings warrior you fought well I can see the true spirit
of fighter in you.
Dragon Reborn- Who are you?
Strange Arabic- I´m Khalid from Istambul I fighter who see a fine fight and
want might test if you acept of course.
So Jens Arthur Leibarkk Dragon Reborn acept Khalid challenge?


Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:

> Rebellion Player: Chris Hoffmann Style: Special Forces Country: Japan.
>
> Appearance: The first thing you notice about Rebellion is that she is
> perhapse
> the most incredibly beautiful woman that you or anyone has ever seen.
> She has
> Asian features with long black hair, large almond shaped green eyes,
> olive skin
> and a better body than Chun-Li and Rose put together. She looks to be
> in her
> late teens or early twenties but is acutally almost fifty years old due
> to
> retardation of the ageing process.
>
> The second thing you notice is that she is well over ten feet tall.
>
> If you stuck around long enough to notice anything else, you see that
> she
> favors a sand colored tunic with a hood and face wrap to let her blend
> into the
> desert better. During the rare times when she's feeling nostalgic,
> she'll put
> on her old military uniform which is an odd cross between the styles of
> the
> Japanese Self-Defense force and Israel's Mossad of the twentieth
> century.
>
> Quote before fight: "The essence of victory is not strength, or skill,
> or even
> speed. It is
> not your weapons, your numbers, your training, your tactics or your
> strategies
> or any of the thousand thousand variables strategists have over the
> millenia
> claimed to be the end all of victory.
>
> It is the ability to survive. If you can endure the time it takes to
> learn how
> to beat your enemy, then you will win. If you refuse to stay down, no
> matter
> how hard your enemy drives your face into the rocks, no matter how you
> body
> screams out for relief, you can not loose. This is what it will take to
> be
> free."
>
> Vs
>
> The Dragon Reborn Style: Jeet Kune Do Player Jens Arthur Leirbakk
> Country: Unknown.
>
> Appearance: The Dragon Reborn is an Asian-looking man with an uncanny
> resemblance to a certain dead, famous martial artist. His animal-like
> grace and speed is familiar, yet not. Sometimes, when looking at him
> through the corner of your eye, you imagine seeing a faint shimmer
> around
> him - as if a dragon was coiling and uncoiling through him at times. A
> ghost dragon? Nevertheless, his quick, easy steps suggest that his
> martial
> art value speed over power - something that isn't unusual when talking
> about Jeet Kune Do.
>
> Quote: "Boards don't hit back", "I'll be honored to test your Kung Fu
> against mine".
>
> Arena: Guardian Island beach no one is near except the fighters.
> Fighters are 3 hexes from each other.
>
> Move 1- The Dragon Reborn start the Speed of Mongoose for his combo and
> Rebellion move 3 hexes and make Double Hit Kick for her combo (dizzy)
> and The Dragon Reborn receive: 3 points of damage and 2 points of
> damage.
> Move 2- Rebellion try abort to block but Dragon Reborn is more faster
> with his Cartwheel Kick and Rebellion receive: 2,2,2,1,3,2,1,4, 2,1
> points of damage and with this damage a knockout happen.
> Dragon Reborn wins by Knockout.
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In a message dated 5/10/00 3:15:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
shinzite@... writes:

<< remember he was the first ufc ultimate ultimate
champion >>
and when someone with REAL talent (ken shamrock) challenged him he ran to the
WCW, so shamrock (employed by the WWF, WCW's main enemy) couldn't kick his
@$$!!!

an opinion question for y'all. would hitting someone under the effects of an
ice blast get you the same honor reduction as hitting a dizzied opponent?

| an opinion question for y'all. would hitting someone under the effects of
an
| ice blast get you the same honor reduction as hitting a dizzied opponent?

I would leave this up to the Storyteller. Is it actually written anywhere
that hitting a dizzied opponent costs honor? Or is that just an unspoken
rule?

Technically a frozen character is dizzied...

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Now Shamrock is a marginally more skilled fighter, I actually think his
brother (frank) is better than he is. They are both very, very good, and
look at the Inoes (maybe my spelling is bad on that one). I am by no means
a technical expert on grappling, but I cannot respect people who are not
only not better than me, but lack pretty much any sort of skill at all.
Let's NOT bring pro wrestling into this though, those men are good
athletes, but they often have very little skill as real fighters at all.