I'm afraid I gotta agree with Fred on this one. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Chagnon <seagull@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 10:32 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Iceblast

>| If I´m right in the first case the first fight result prevails but only

if

>the
>| info about Ice Blast is right. It´s so many versions I´m realy dizzy, but
>still
>| in the control :).
>
>You be the judge.
>
>----------- EXHIBIT A ------------------------
>ICE BLAST:
>
>System:
> The Ice Blast is similar to other projectile attacks. It has a range
>similar to a character's wits + Focus and can be doged by special maneuvers
>such as Jump. The attacker must have line of sight on his victim.
> A victim who suffers damage is encased in sheets of thick ice that
>freeze him in place. The victim can attempt to break of free of the ice at
>the end of each turn. He accumulate four successes in an extended-action
>Strength test to break free.
> For example a Strength 3 character is hit by the Ice Blast. After the
>turn is over, he rolls three dice (his Strength) versus difficulty 6 and
>score two successes. He is still frozen stiff through the next turn. After
>that second turn he rolls again, scoring two more succeses. He now breaks
>free of the ice.
> Alternatively, if a character is hit the ice shatters (but the

character

>still takes damage).
>
>Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game (WW9500) -- PG. 128
>--------------------------------------------
>
>As pointed out it does state that if the character suffers damage, he/she

is

>encased in Ice. It does not mention here that blocking the ice blast

negates

>the encasement.
>
>----------- EXHIBIT B ------------------------
>Move 1- Joseph Masterson block (start turn punch) and Ryan Ghost Bear make

a

>Ice Blast and Joseph Masterson receive: 1 point of damage and is frozen
>solid!!!
>
>--------------------------------------------
>
>Since Joseph Masterson suffered damage on this roll...he is frozen solid.
>Had his block soaked the damage in it's entirety...this would not have been
>so.
>IMO, the initial toournament should stand. No rematch.
>
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Orig:

>>I'm not saying that the maneuver's effect isn't logical, but the *only* thing a stun maneuver is good for (*if* it even hits for enough damage to trigger the side effect) is causing a Dizzy... which, unless you decide to throw Honor to the wind, will do you no good (since you can't take advantage of it).

Not true... First of all, if your opponent is in the middle of some big nasty combo that might knock you down and out, it's handy to be able to stop them.

Plus, it gives you a chance to show off a little (if you're a glory-hound) or just block to set up a rude awakening for him when he regains his senses. Either way, you get the Honor Award for not striking. That doesn't sound dishonorable to me.



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unfortunately, the Block description in Chapter 8 doesn't state that you
don't suffer ANY ill effects of an attack you blocked, it just states that
you're immune to Knockdown. Any special cases are usually spelled out in
the maneuver's description.

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Ages challenges: Joseph Masterson Vs Ryan Ghost
Bear.

>No, there is simply an obvious contradiction in the rules with the: "if
>you take damage you are frozen" and "block negates the ill effects of a
>power besides damage."
>I'm not sure which is higher priority. (I'm not running the matches so my
>opinion isn't all that important here. I just wanted to say that much.)
>
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but since the Heart Punch only does one more point of damage than a fierce,
I'd rather use the Fierce.
Pretty much the same chance to stun and you do damage as well.

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 1:38 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Heart Punch

>Orig:
>>>I'm not saying that the maneuver's effect isn't logical, but the *only*

thing a stun maneuver is good for (*if* it even hits for enough damage to
trigger the side effect) is causing a Dizzy... which, unless you decide to
throw Honor to the wind, will do you no good (since you can't take advantage
of it).

>
>Not true... First of all, if your opponent is in the middle of some big

nasty combo that might knock you down and out, it's handy to be able to stop
them.

>
>Plus, it gives you a chance to show off a little (if you're a glory-hound)

or just block to set up a rude awakening for him when he regains his senses.
Either way, you get the Honor Award for not striking. That doesn't sound
dishonorable to me.

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God I only just found the sheet-He's designed to use vs. starting characters
so he's not ridiculously tough, just mostly, and he doesn't conform to
standard creation rules(the fire cost him dots in social). Once he gets his
hands on you he's very hard to stop, but a group of players should be easy to
take him.

Kane

Strength 5 Dex 3 Stamina 5
Perception 2 Int 2 Wits 2 (he's not the sharpest tack in the WWF)
Charisma 2 (hey, I like him) Manipulation 1 (he gets used all the time)
Apperance 1 (Damn fire!)

Techniques-not very high, mostly relies on his brute strength & endurance to
see him through
Punch 2
Kick 2
Block 2
Grab 3
Athletics 2

Maneuvers
Type Speed Damage Move Notes
Jab 5 6 2
Strong 3 8 2
Fierce 2 10 1

Short 4 7 2
Foward 3 9 1
Roundhouse 1 11 1

Block 7 +2 soak 0
Movement 6 - 5

Back Breaker 2 11 1 Knockdown
Pile Driver 1 12 1 Knockdown
Suplex 3 10 1 Knockdown
Flying Tackle 2 8 5 Both suffer knockdown
Neck Choke 2(6) 11 1 Sustained
Face (Choke) Slam 2(4) 11 1 Knockdown

Combos
Flying Tackle to Neck Choke to Face Slam(Dizzy)
Neck Choke to Face Slam(Dizzy)
Fierce Punch to PileDriver(Dizzy)

Chi 1 Willpower 6 Health 16

hey did anything ever come of this? is there a group active now? just
wondering

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> | Does anyone made stats for the SF 3: 3rd strike characters?
>
> I'd also be curious to see some Street Fighter Alpha 3 conversions.

There is a "Official" (it was created by White Wolf but I don't know
if it was released in USA, it was in Brazil) coversion of Rose for
SFA3. Here it is:

SOUL POWER
Ler Drit is Bison's personal style, but Rose feel the evil inside of
Ler Drit and ran away from Bison/Shadaloo. Rose joined the knowledge
that she gained under Bison's tutorship, and part of the ancient
Kabaddi, Rose developed her own fighting style, the Soul Power.
Soul Power basics is to awaken the paranormal power inside of all
humans.
Schools: There isn't schools that teaches Soul Power. Rose choses the
students very carefully.
Members: Rose is searching the globe to find other people who posses
psychic powers to train them personally. ATENTION: to posses Soul
Power Style, you must have Sensei 5 (Rose or a grand master of
Kabaddi).
Concept: Monks, mystics, mutants...
Initial Chi: 5
Initial Willpower: 2
Quote: "If you wnat the maximum power at any cost, search Shadaloo
and
learn Ler Drit, but if you wants to preserve your soul, so come with
me..."
Special Maneuvers:
Punch: Dim Mak (3), Ducking Fierce (1)
Kick: Sidekick (2)
Block: Energy Refletion (2), San He (3)
Grab: Brain Cracker (2), Head Butt Hold (2), Neck
Choke (2)
Athletics: Cannon Drill (5), Flying Body Spear (2)
Focus: Chi Kun Healing (3), Fireball (3), Flight
(4),
Flying Fireball (3), Ghost Form (5), Improved Fireball (5), Psychic
Vise (4),Psychokinetic Channeling (4), Mind Reading (3), Regeneration
(1), Telepathy (2), Yoga Teleport (5), Zen No Mind (3).

Name: Rose
Style: Soul Power (a weak version of Ler Drit)
Concept: Dilettante
Signature: Creates illusions copies of herself
Attributes:
Strength: 3
Dexterity: 5
Stamina: 3
Charisma: 3
Manipulation: 4
Appearance: 5
Perception: 4
Intelligence: 5
Wits: 4
Abilities:
Alertness: 3
Interrogation: 2
Intimidation: 1
Insight: 5
Streetwise: 2
Subterfuge: 2
Blind Fighting: 2
Drive: 2
Leadership: 1
Stealth: 3
Survival: 1
Arena: 2
Computer: 1
Investigation: 3
Medicine: 3
Mysteries: 6
Adventages:
Backgrounds:
Allies: 4
Contact: 3
Fame: 3
Resources: 4
Staff: 5
Techniques:
Punch: 3
Kick: 3
Block: 4
Grab: 3
Athletics: 3
Sports: 3
Focus: 5
Special Maneuvers:
Chi Kun Healing, Cobra Charm, Ducking Fierce,
Flight, Fireball, Jump, Mind Reading, Neck Shock,
Psychic Vise, Psychokinetic Channeling,
Regeneration, Telepathy, Throw.
Combo: Jump to Neck Shock to Throw.
Renown:
Glory: 5
Honor: 8
Chi: 10
Willpower: 8
Health: 18
Rank: 8 (Freestyle)
Standing:
Wins: 58
Losses: 8
Draws: 4
KOs: 29

The problem with things like that is, how often do you dizzy with one hit?
The only way I have been able to reliably dizzy is putting a multi hitting
move in a dizzy combo, or stringing multiple moves together in a Dizzy
combo, one move just won't do it. Another thing, did anyone notice Gibson
girl is an improved version of Ken?

Interesting.
Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy of that book.
(couple of moves like Neck Shock and Sidekick I haven't heard of).


Knight of the Black Rose
"Absolute Destiny Tango"

| Plus, it gives you a chance to show off a little (if you're a glory-hound)
or just block to set up a rude awakening for him when he regains his senses.
Either way, you get the Honor Award for not striking. That doesn't sound
dishonorable to me.


You can block while you're opponent is Dizzy?
Sounds like a good idea, more speed on the next maneuver...but damn would
that ever look stupid in real life. :)

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I have a combo in mind that does that, actually it's two put together, one
is a block to scissor kick dizzy combo that should pretty much dizzy anyone
not using toughskin, and then you block while they're dizzy to set up the
hyper fist part of a block to hyperfist dizzy combo, in the words of the
matrix "Dodge this."

> Interesting.
> Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a copy of that book.
> (couple of moves like Neck Shock and Sidekick I haven't heard of).

Well, Sidekick is a Kabaddi meneuver.
I made a mistake, sorry It isn't Neck Shock, but Neck Choke.

I'm sorry for this mistake.

Vega

Add one more character for the fighters list All Oha from Luiz. Ps: The guy who
created Danielle Garcia the Gateway tournament people will remember her.
Now I need more 2 pc´s to start the tournament.

Pc´s
1- Jim "Razorblack" Bob Joe- Player (Francis Black)
2- Rebellion- Player (Chris Hoffman)
3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
4- Delta- Player (Josh Diemert)
5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
6- Joseph Masterson - Player (Cliff Rice)
7- Alisyn Summers- Player (Dennis Bryant)
8- Huo Feng - Player (Ronin)
9- Dragon Reborn - Player (Jens Arthur Leirbakk)
10- Sha Long - Player (Joseph Scot Pittman)
11- All Oha - Player (Luiz)

Npc´s
1- Ernest Voss Concept: German Nazi Officer.
2- Tom Sawyer Concept: Bartender from Scotland.
3- Gregori Tzarovich Concept: Russian ocultist.
4- Chaotic Concept: Dark Shotokan student from Akuma.
5- Plague Concept: A hideous lab creature hide his face behind a fencing mask
works for Shadaloo.
6- Lee Yung Concept: A chinese monk
7- Maso Concept: A punk rock girl with a litle interesting for the pain.
8- Van Seddar Concept: A netherlands poet with "iron fists".
9- Jean Paul Collier Concept: French pirate captain.
10- Lars Ax Concept: Norway Pro Wrestiling Champion.
11- Khalid- A turkish fighter.

<<I have a combo in mind that does that, actually it's two put together, one
is a block to scissor kick dizzy combo>>

Block to Scissor kick as a dizzy combo? You didnt actually pay the points to
make that as a dizzy combo did you?

MikeM

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Well I disagree (Assuming kain was a real street
fighter And that the moves were not fake here are the
stats i would give him.)
Kane
Style: Dark Pro wrestling.
Stable: paul Berrer.
Concept: Tortured soul.
Signatire: His mask
Atributes:
Strength: 6 Dex: 3 Stamina: 7
Perception: 2 Int: 2 Wits: 2
Charisma:1 Manipulation: 1 Apperance: 1
Abilities: Aitimidation: 5, Insight: 2, Survival: 3,
Mysteries: 4, Blind fighting: 1

Backgrounds: Manager: 4

Techniques:
Punch: 4
Kick: 3
Block: 2
Grab: 6
Athletics: 2
Focus: 3 (Watch wrestlemaneia 14 to find out why)

Moves:
Face slam, Pile driver, Tombstone, Clothes line,
Neck choke, Flying tackle (Clothesline from the top
rope), Lightning stroke (once again watch
Wrestlemaneia 14)
Chi: 2, Will: 8, Health: 20

Some move notes:
Tombstone
Requirements: Grab 4, Piledriver
To learn: Dark pro wrestling: 3, Any that can lern
piledriver: 4
unlike a normal piledriver where the fighter's legs
are to either side of the opponents kneck to add more
cushion. the tombstone lets the victums neck go free
so there is no cushion.
System: As pile driver:
Cost: None
Speed: -2
Damage: +5
Move: 1

Lightning stroke
Reqirements: Focus 3
to learn: Dark pro wrestling: 5
The fighter calls forth a stroke of lightning from the
sky.
System: this is handeled like a normal projectile
attack bit it may not be avoided by jump. As it
travels strate down. it also causes a nockdown. And
has a range of wits + focus.
Cost: 2 chi
Speed: -3
Damage: +6
Move: 0

Attribute notes:
6 strength: Kane once ckoke slammed Rikishi Phatu
with no broplem he held him up in the air for a good
10 seconds before dropping him si i think a 6 is fair.
7 Stamina: During his match with the undertaker in
wrestlemaneia 14. He was tombstone piledrivered 4
times
before he was brought down.
Lightning stroke: During his big rivalry with his
brother the undertaker. They would commonly traid back
and forth lightning bolts to ine another as an
intimidation factor.


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Well I disagree (Assuming kain was a real street
fighter And that the moves were not fake here are the
stats i would give him.)
Kane
Style: Dark Pro wrestling.
Stable: paul Berrer.
Concept: Tortured soul.
Signatire: His mask
Atributes:
Strength: 6 Dex: 3 Stamina: 7
Perception: 2 Int: 2 Wits: 2
Charisma:1 Manipulation: 1 Apperance: 1
Abilities: Aitimidation: 5, Insight: 2, Survival: 3,
Mysteries: 4, Blind fighting: 1

Backgrounds: Manager: 4

Techniques:
Punch: 4
Kick: 3
Block: 2
Grab: 6
Athletics: 2
Focus: 3 (Watch wrestlemaneia 14 to find out why)

Moves:
Face slam, Pile driver, Tombstone, Clothes line,
Neck choke, Flying tackle (Clothesline from the top
rope), Lightning stroke (once again watch
Wrestlemaneia 14)
Chi: 2, Will: 8, Health: 20

Some move notes:
Tombstone
Requirements: Grab 4, Piledriver
To learn: Dark pro wrestling: 3, Any that can lern
piledriver: 4
unlike a normal piledriver where the fighter's legs
are to either side of the opponents kneck to add more
cushion. the tombstone lets the victums neck go free
so there is no cushion.
System: As pile driver:
Cost: None
Speed: -2
Damage: +5
Move: 1

Lightning stroke
Reqirements: Focus 3
to learn: Dark pro wrestling: 5
The fighter calls forth a stroke of lightning from the
sky.
System: this is handeled like a normal projectile
attack bit it may not be avoided by jump. As it
travels strate down. it also causes a nockdown. And
has a range of wits + focus.
Cost: 2 chi
Speed: -3
Damage: +6
Move: 0

Attribute notes:
6 strength: Kane once ckoke slammed Rikishi Phatu
with no broplem he held him up in the air for a good
10 seconds before dropping him si i think a 6 is fair.
7 Stamina: During his match with the undertaker in
wrestlemaneia 14. He was tombstone piledrivered 4
times
before he was brought down.
Lightning stroke: During his big rivalry with his
brother the undertaker. They would commonly traid back
and forth lightning bolts to ine another as an
intimidation factor.


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yeah I went back and read my rule book and it donset
actualy say anything to the effect that block cancles
out freezing. But it should damn it. Maby when the
oficial rule page comes out it will clarafy. it just
clicked in my head that it wouldent because i was
playing mortal comba the other day.Im sorry for being
rude.

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Yeah I did, I dunno about you guys, but sometimes you NEED to dizzy people
everyone I fight pretty much has a stamina of 5 so rolling 7 dice twice
having to get 6 successes on a roll won't do it, however trying to get 6
successes together is a lot easier, what can I say, it worked pretty well
on the Gibson girl. . . . .

Superhuman stats for a pro wrestler?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!? Next thing
you know, we'll be seeing suggestions that Tank Abbott have superhuman
stats. . . . . .

We all are friends here pal don´t push yourself down, but I hope you and other
tell me if I wrong something :).

cliff rice wrote:

> yeah I went back and read my rule book and it donset
> actualy say anything to the effect that block cancles
> out freezing. But it should damn it. Maby when the
> oficial rule page comes out it will clarafy. it just
> clicked in my head that it wouldent because i was
> playing mortal comba the other day.Im sorry for being
> rude.
>
> Cliff
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Hmm... as far as the book says, block helps only against Knockdown, unless the maneuver ignores block...

And logically: Would a block help you from not getting freezed??? Don't think so...


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On Sat, 6 May 2000 14:25:03 cliff rice wrote:
Excuse me Joseph blocked that ice blast he would have
taken the damage but he would not be frozen. Block
clearly states that if you block you do not suffer
the bad effects of the move you guarded aganst. except
for the damage. Except for grabs and shockwave. So
that ice blast would not have frozen joseph. I want a
rematch Damn it.

Cliff.


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Rinaldo - could you post the fighters in the rank 9 tournament again?

joespitt

. -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] So Rebellion wins Sha Long.

>I watch the Nazi leave, pondering his words. A most educational encounter,

I

>now know the true meaning of vulger. And stupid.
>
>I help Sha Long to his feet. "You are truly a great fighter, I am at your
>disposal for a rematch."
>
>> If your character want challenge someone let me known.
>> Well folks I need more 3 fighters to start the Ages tournament at this

moment

>> 10
>> pc´s 3 npc´s.
>
>Come on people, get these characters in. Don't make me send Rinaldo more

pokemon.

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I find that gifts of money or illegal drugs often bring new players to the
game table. Or hookers.


just kiddin!

joespitt

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter]

>
>I've always found that running a game people enjoy to play, regardless
>of game system, helps. I think people have stayed with my game for as
>long as they have because I'm a good story-teller and know when to throw
>the rules away for the sake of a good story. Plus, I'm fair. I
>(almost) never fudge anything for either player or NPC.
>
>But if you mean, "how do you get a group together in the first place?",
>then I've got a very revolutionary concept for you.
>
>Ask them.
>
>Crazy, innit?
>
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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
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>--- harlie kreiger III <fereality@...> wrote:
>> hey guys,
>> i'm new here and just returning to the street fighter stg. so please
>have
>> mercy on me. how do you guys get people to play offline?
>
>Threats mostly. Steve likes diplomacy and finesse, but I'm more of a
>brute
>force kind of guy.
>
>> i'll have a couple of new styles later this week or maybe next week
>after i
>> rework them very slightly.
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Pc´s
1- Jim "Razorblack" Bob Joe- Player (Francis Black)
2- Rebellion- Player (Chris Hoffman)
3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
4- Delta- Player (Josh Diemert)
5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
6- Joseph Masterson - Player (Cliff Rice)
7- Alisyn Summers- Player (Dennis Bryant)
8- Huo Feng - Player (Ronin)
9- Dragon Reborn - Player (Jens Arthur Leirbakk)
10- Sha Long - Player (Joseph Scot Pittman)
11- All Oha - Player (Luiz)

Npc´s I choose 3 from here.
1- Ernest Voss Concept: German Nazi Officer.
2- Tom Sawyer Concept: Bartender from Scotland.
3- Gregori Tzarovich Concept: Russian ocultist.
4- Chaotic Concept: Dark Shotokan student from Akuma.
5- Plague Concept: A hideous lab creature hide his face behind a fencing mask
works for Shadaloo.
6- Lee Yung Concept: A chinese monk
7- Maso Concept: A punk rock girl with a litle interesting for the pain.
8- Van Seddar Concept: A netherlands poet with "iron fists".
9- Jean Paul Collier Concept: French pirate captain.
10- Lars Ax Concept: Norway Pro Wrestiling Champion.
11- Khalid- A turkish fighter.



Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:

> Rinaldo - could you post the fighters in the rank 9 tournament again?
>
> joespitt
>
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> Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] So Rebellion wins Sha Long.
>
> >I watch the Nazi leave, pondering his words. A most educational encounter,
> I
> >now know the true meaning of vulger. And stupid.
> >
> >I help Sha Long to his feet. "You are truly a great fighter, I am at your
> >disposal for a rematch."
> >
> >> If your character want challenge someone let me known.
> >> Well folks I need more 3 fighters to start the Ages tournament at this
> moment
> >> 10
> >> pc´s 3 npc´s.
> >
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I think a note to the sender indicating that we are already cramped with
e-mails and ads really won't help the situation is in order, unless he has
copies of the Street Fighter game.

joespitt

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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] games sale galore

>
>hey Mike, feel free to ban this dickhead. I won't complain.
>
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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] games sale galore
>
>
>copies of games for sale
>US$12 per cd, cheaper if you get more :)
>prices exclude shipping fee
>feel free to email me at chuppa@... if there's anything
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>
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>crash bandicoot warped
>crash team racing
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>[d]
>dance dance revolution
>dino crisis (japanese version)
>dragonball final bout
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>ehrgeiz
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>fantastic four
>final fantasy 7 (3 cds)
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>frogger
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>guilty gear
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well that is asuming that in the streetfighter
universe
wrestling is not fake. And as far as Tank Abbot go's i
bet that bastard has about a 7 punch. After all he was
un Ufc before he was a wrestler. and those fights were
not fake. and he was punching bastards out easy he was
the ultimate ultimate champ after all.


Cliff

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Robert Pascuttini wrote:

>There is nothing wrong with striking a dizzyed opponent. Yes you loose the honour but there are other ways of making up the honour.

Remember, you ONLY lose Honor if you're in a Tournament. In an actual "street fight" you can do whatever it takes to survive, without penalty.

Of course, a character with a high Honor who's suddenly Footsweeping a Dizzy opponent in a back-alley brawl shouldn't expect the Experience Award for Consistency (unless he had a good reason to be upset, like if the bad guys messed with his family)



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Yeah, but that doesnt make sense. Making a dizzy combo you get to add the
two maneuvers damage for calculating dizzy. But block doesnt do any damage
so there is no point. Just a waste of points.

MikeM

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 6:27 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Heart Punch


Yeah I did, I dunno about you guys, but sometimes you NEED to dizzy people
everyone I fight pretty much has a stamina of 5 so rolling 7 dice twice
having to get 6 successes on a roll won't do it, however trying to get 6
successes together is a lot easier, what can I say, it worked pretty well
on the Gibson girl. . . . .


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The following streetfighter poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: OFFICAL VOTE FOR THE RULING OF THE
STREET FIGHTER GAME (somebody's got to
do it since White Wolf won't). This
result will be placed on an "offical"
web page, and future votes will be held
for other rules as well. Who voted for
what will be visible.

Question #1: Aborting to another
Maneuver is a question that most people
who have played the game question.
Which do you think should be the
offical ruling of Abort Maneuvers?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Although the game seems a little vauge, it does call Jump and Block Abort Maneuvers. Since it doesn't say otherwise, we have to assume that these are the only two Maneuvers that should be concidered Abort Maneuvers., 1 votes, 9.09%
- It's obvious that all Block Maneuvers should be concidered Abort Maneuvers, as well as Jump. It's pointless to have a Maneuver like Missle Reflection or Energy Reflection if you can't Abort to those Maneuvers., 10 votes, 90.91%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Although the game seems a little vauge, it does call Jump and Block Abort Maneuvers. Since it doesn't say otherwise, we have to assume that these are the only two Maneuvers that should be concidered Abort Maneuvers.
- fishbn@...
- It's obvious that all Block Maneuvers should be concidered Abort Maneuvers, as well as Jump. It's pointless to have a Maneuver like Missle Reflection or Energy Reflection if you can't Abort to those Maneuvers.
- arkondloc@...
- azathoth05@...
- boomergold@...
- cybermage@...
- anton_figueroa@...
- staredown@...
- shadaloo@...
- devernatter@...
- joespitt@...
- shinzite@...


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While preparing for an increase in speed is not an attack on a victim, it
does place the attacker at an advantage over his opponent. This is sort of
"sucker punching" your foe. While I would say that this is not necessarily
dishonorable in combat (and is actually part of combat and should be
expected - fighters are gonna get speed bonuses where they can), it's not
exactly honorable as letting an opponent regain his senses and be at his
maximum against your attacks. I say in such a case that the "blocker" would
neither gain or lose honor. A fighter who allows his opponent to come out of
the dizzy without attacking or using the situation to gain an advantage
would gain honor.

joespitt

-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 07, 2000 2:06 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Update Ages fighters list again and again.

>Add one more character for the fighters list All Oha from Luiz. Ps: The guy

who

>created Danielle Garcia the Gateway tournament people will remember her.
>Now I need more 2 pc´s to start the tournament.
>
>Pc´s
> 1- Jim "Razorblack" Bob Joe- Player (Francis Black)
> 2- Rebellion- Player (Chris Hoffman)
> 3- Hymamoto Suzuki- Player (Jade M Prout)
> 4- Delta- Player (Josh Diemert)
> 5- Ghost Bear- Player (Jeff Y)
> 6- Joseph Masterson - Player (Cliff Rice)
> 7- Alisyn Summers- Player (Dennis Bryant)
> 8- Huo Feng - Player (Ronin)
> 9- Dragon Reborn - Player (Jens Arthur Leirbakk)
> 10- Sha Long - Player (Joseph Scot Pittman)
> 11- All Oha - Player (Luiz)
>
> Npc´s
> 1- Ernest Voss Concept: German Nazi Officer.
> 2- Tom Sawyer Concept: Bartender from Scotland.
> 3- Gregori Tzarovich Concept: Russian ocultist.
> 4- Chaotic Concept: Dark Shotokan student from Akuma.
> 5- Plague Concept: A hideous lab creature hide his face behind a fencing

mask

>works for Shadaloo.
> 6- Lee Yung Concept: A chinese monk
> 7- Maso Concept: A punk rock girl with a litle interesting for the pain.
> 8- Van Seddar Concept: A netherlands poet with "iron fists".
> 9- Jean Paul Collier Concept: French pirate captain.
> 10- Lars Ax Concept: Norway Pro Wrestiling Champion.
> 11- Khalid- A turkish fighter.
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Thank everyone for their suggestions. I think the winner here will be:

Street Fighter Revised:
Championship Edition

I chose the name because I liked "championship edition", although the page
will be a collection of the votes, not an "edition". Therefore, I included
the "revised" as well, which I liked also. This makes it the first (and
hopefully ONLY) edition of the revised information included on the page.

joespitt

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Date: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Offical Rules name suggestions

>The best ones I've heard so far are definitely:
>
>Street Fighter: the Storytelling Game, Championship Edition
> and
>Street Fighter: Warrior's Pride
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CLARIFICATION TO BE FOUND IN STREET
FIGHTER REVISED: CHAMPIONSHIP EDITION -
What happens if you Abort to another
Maneuver and the attacker still has a
faster Speed? Does the character lose
the willpower/chi for a special block
Maneuver he aborted to in this case?


o The defender tried to use the Special Block Maneuver, and since it is difficult to detirmine if the Maneuver was "successful" in this case, he would lose the willpower/chi because of the attempt.
o The character would not lose the willpower/chi spent on the Maneuver, only the Willpower for the Abort, since the Maneuver was not "successful" against the attacker. However, out-of-tournament cases should be handeled by the Storyteller, because Maneuvers could still be successful in cases of multiple opponents (where the first attacker might have a higher Speed but the Block Maneuver works against th second, for example).


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OFFICAL RULE CLARIFICATION FOR STREET
FIGHTER REVISED:
What Aerial Maneuvers can be used to
jump projectiles?

o Only Aerial maneuvers that descibe the ability to jump projectiles in their description.
o All Maneuvers described as aerial can be used to avoid projectiles.


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Mike Morgado wrote:

>Making a dizzy combo you get to add the two maneuvers damage for calculating dizzy. But block doesnt do any damage so there is no point. Just a waste of points.

Well... aside from the obvious speed advantages, you can add the damage rolls from a single multiple-hit maneuver if it's in a Dizzy combo, even if the combo is just Block to Hyperfist...

And of course if any combo begins with Block or Jump, you can Abort to it!


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OFFICAL RULE CLARIFICATION FOR STREET
FIGHTER: REVISED
Can characters Abort to a Crouching
Block?


o No. Although there is no Crouching Block Maneuver, Crouching is a special Maneuver component that must be within the Maneuver's description.
o Yes. Although a character cannot chose a Crouching Block as a Maneuver, he may Abort to a Crouching Block from a regular Block Maneuver or any other Maneuver. The 1 Willpower cost to Abort covers the ability to react to Aerial attacks and the like by Crouching.


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Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:

>While preparing for an increase in speed is not an attack on a victim, it does place the attacker at an advantage over his opponent. This is sort of "sucker punching" your foe. While I would say that this is not necessarily dishonorable, it's not exactly honorable as letting an opponent regain his senses and be at his maximum against your attacks. I say in such a case that the "blocker" would neither gain or lose honor. A fighter who allows his opponent to come out of the dizzy without attacking or using the situation to gain an advantage would gain honor.

I can't agree. By that logic, I could do the DX crotch-chop and tell my dizzy opponent to Suck it, and I'd get both Glory AND Honor. Whereas if I assume a defensive posture and (this is the important part) DON'T STRIKE him, I'm being less honorable???

The rules don't say a thing about "gaining an advantage..." The dizzy-striking rule is to penalize characters who rely on Dizzy situations to apply a nasty Hold or deliver a massive Strike. If my combo happens to give me a speed advantage, I shouldn't be penalized for using it (unless I'm ABUSING it.) And as long as I don't attack while my opponent is dizzy, I get credit for doing the right thing.

What if I had a Combo that started with Jump, and I Jumped while my opponent was Dizzy? Is THAT less-than-honorable? What if I Regenerated instead? Or used Cobra Charm? Let the rule stand as it reads.


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I think that you're missing his point. He isn't talking about the actual
blocking and not hitting, he's speaking of the fact that blocking adds +2
Speed to your next attack, therefore your gaining a speed advantage, even if
you aren't striking. Because your opponent is dizzy, he can't do anything,
meaning he basically has a lower chance of gaining enough speed for his next
attack to be fast enough.

>I can't agree. By that logic, I could do the DX crotch-chop and tell my

dizzy opponent to Suck it, and I'd get both Glory AND Honor. Whereas if I
assume a defensive posture and (this is the important part) DON'T STRIKE
him, I'm being less honorable???

>
>The rules don't say a thing about "gaining an advantage..." The

dizzy-striking rule is to penalize characters who rely on Dizzy situations
to apply a nasty Hold or deliver a massive Strike. If my combo happens to
give me a speed advantage, I shouldn't be penalized for using it (unless I'm
ABUSING it.) And as long as I don't attack while my opponent is dizzy, I
get credit for doing the right thing.

>
>What if I had a Combo that started with Jump, and I Jumped while my

opponent was Dizzy? Is THAT less-than-honorable? What if I Regenerated
instead? Or used Cobra Charm? Let the rule stand as it reads.

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In a message dated 5/7/00 6:33:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
fishbn@... writes:

<< Next thing
you know, we'll be seeing suggestions that Tank Abbott have superhuman
stats. . . . . . >>
ummmmm.... no. according to the storylines, kane and the undertaker are
somethign of a supernatural origin. so, i can see thet super stats.

Well yeah if you want a munckin player killer, I just manted a conversion for
my starting players to face and I didn't want to make up new maneuvers. I
mean as much as a tombstone is cool to say it's still just a normal piledriver

In a message dated 5/7/00 6:07:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
shinzite@... writes:

<< Well I disagree >>

Tank abbot? I watched him get his ass kicked in ufc a punch of times. I'd
pay to see that clown try to go after Kane any day

No. blocking wounded knee doesn't keep you from suffering penalties (I
think, I'm too lazy to re-read wounded knee) or eye rake(wait that's a
grab-ah you get the idea!

In a message dated 5/7/00 8:09:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
streetfighter@egroups.com writes:

<< Should block cancle out the special
effects of a manuver unless stated in
said manuver.

>>

> Of course, a character with a high Honor who's suddenly Footsweeping >

a Dizzy opponent in a back-alley brawl shouldn't expect the > Experience
Award for Consistency (unless he had a good reason to be > upset, like if
the bad guys messed with his family)


Or they're trying to kill him, or they severely outnumber him, etc.
Depends on the character's code of honor I suppose.

Knight of the Black Rose
"Absolute Destiny Tango"

I can see where using an opponent's dizzy situation to gain any sort of
advantage might be considered not as honorable as simply waiting for them
to become ready again.
Although, I always found it hard to decide whether to spend the round
boasting for glory or blocking to gain the speed bonus on the next turn
(charging up as it were). But, I always wondered if both could be done at
once ^^;;
Well, I didn't think of that until boasting for glory stopped being as
important to me as it was in the beginning.

Knight of the Black Rose
"Absolute Destiny Tango"

Dustin Wolfe wrote:

>I think that you're missing his point...he's speaking of the fact that blocking adds +2 Speed to your next attack, therefore your gaining a speed advantage, even if you aren't striking. Because your opponent is dizzy, he can't do anything, meaning he basically has a lower chance of gaining enough speed for his next attack to be fast enough.

Speed isn't everything. I see his point, I just don't think it's relevent. Keep in mind that in the video game, there is no honor, and if you're Dizzy, 99 times out of 100 your opponent will take you to hurt city.

It just so happens that there is Honor in the RPG, and you lose it if you STRIKE a Dizzy opponent IN A TOURNAMENT. Gaining a speed bonus is not even in the same ballpark. Perhaps your opponent has a fast attack he might use on you when he comes to... a speed bonus wouldn't be unfair, would it?

What if I have a Jump to Forward Backflip Kick Combo, and I Jump while my opponent is Dizzy? Is THAT an unfair advantage? If I regenerate while my opponent is Dizzy, I'm gaining an advantage: I gain health, and my opponent can't do anything about it. Should I lose my Honor/Glory bonus? Not according to the book:

"Not striking a Dizzy Opponent:+1Honor/+1Glory"

Seems pretty clear-cut...


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do the gifts of money and illegal drugs bring players to the table, or
hookers?

or both?

*confused*

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From: Joseph Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 9:43 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter]


I find that gifts of money or illegal drugs often bring new players to
the
game table. Or hookers.


just kiddin!

joespitt

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From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter]

>
>I've always found that running a game people enjoy to play, regardless
>of game system, helps. I think people have stayed with my game for as
>long as they have because I'm a good story-teller and know when to

throw

>the rules away for the sake of a good story. Plus, I'm fair. I
>(almost) never fudge anything for either player or NPC.
>
>But if you mean, "how do you get a group together in the first place?",
>then I've got a very revolutionary concept for you.
>
>Ask them.
>
>Crazy, innit?
>
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>--- harlie kreiger III <fereality@...> wrote:
>> hey guys,
>> i'm new here and just returning to the street fighter stg. so please
>have
>> mercy on me. how do you guys get people to play offline?
>
>Threats mostly. Steve likes diplomacy and finesse, but I'm more of a
>brute
>force kind of guy.
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>after i
>> rework them very slightly.
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Scissor Kick hits twice. Normally, double-hitting maneuvers do not
combine their hits to Dizzy. If they're part of a Dizzy Combo, THEN
they do. It's not as dumb a use of four points as you might think...

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From: Mike Morgado [mailto:morg@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 8:34 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Heart Punch


Yeah, but that doesnt make sense. Making a dizzy combo you get to add
the
two maneuvers damage for calculating dizzy. But block doesnt do any
damage
so there is no point. Just a waste of points.

MikeM

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From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 6:27 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Heart Punch


Yeah I did, I dunno about you guys, but sometimes you NEED to dizzy
people
everyone I fight pretty much has a stamina of 5 so rolling 7 dice twice
having to get 6 successes on a roll won't do it, however trying to get 6
successes together is a lot easier, what can I say, it worked pretty
well
on the Gibson girl. . . . .


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