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> First I read many versions of backgrounds of Stf

> - I remember everyone my book is a translated copy so the idea

>be very wrong or okay it´s just a possibility but here goes my

>question.
>
> If we compare the game, the Rpg, anime and the movie (that one with
>Van Damme)

> we find many things: Well let´s take Ryu for example:
> The Rpg book says Ryu have a Japanese mother and foreign father (a
>german if I remember well)

>, in the anime he lives with his grandfather (I could be wrong
> again the dammit translation but all the scenes with this old man
>Ryu call him grandfather)

>and in the movie he has a japanese father because he called Ryu
> Hoshi (Hoshi isn´t german or ocidental name if Ryu is a son of a
>German guy he must own a ocidental last name and not a oriental like
>this used in the movie)

> So my question is:
> Ryu have a Oriental family (Hoshi) (Father and Mother)?

> Or He live with his grandfather ?

> Or better he have a foreign father and a japanese mother but we
>don´t known the last name.

> This could be strange but why people don´t write to capcom guys

>ask for better backgrounds? Maybe they send reply (Well hope is a
>very important tought).

> Maybe I write but I still think if they send a reply to a one

>maybe if we colect signatures and send a big mail with all persons
>who have doubts in backgrounds sector they can´t just ignore the
>fans or they can? :)

> > First I read many versions of backgrounds of Stf
>
> Me too. Sometimes it gets confused.
>
> > - I remember everyone my book is a translated copy so the idea
> could
> >be very wrong or okay it´s just a possibility but here goes my
> first
> >question.
> >
> > If we compare the game, the Rpg, anime and the movie (that one with
> >Van Damme)
>
> Well, Van Damme's Street Fighter movie don't have a official
> background. Villians were heroes and vice and versa.
>
> > we find many things: Well let´s take Ryu for example:
> > The Rpg book says Ryu have a Japanese mother and foreign father (a
> >german if I remember well)
>
> This is completely correct. In SFA3 RPG/universe, they give you the
> same information.
>
> >, in the anime he lives with his grandfather (I could be wrong
> > again the dammit translation but all the scenes with this old man
> >Ryu call him grandfather)
>
> Yep, this is correct. But we don't know if Rinko is the Grandfather's
> daughter or just someone else.
>
> >and in the movie he has a japanese father because he called Ryu
> > Hoshi (Hoshi isn´t german or ocidental name if Ryu is a son of a
> >German guy he must own a ocidental last name and not a oriental like
> >this used in the movie)
>
> This is correct too.
>
> > So my question is:
> > Ryu have a Oriental family (Hoshi) (Father and Mother)?
>
> In the old SF2 series, Ryu had a oriental family, but he was an orphan
> (Gouken "adopted" him and taught him the Shotokan Karate)
>
> > Or He live with his grandfather ?
>
> This is also correct, but for the SF2 Victory universe.
>
> > Or better he have a foreign father and a japanese mother but we
> >don´t known the last name.
>
> This is CORRECT again, in the RPG and in the Alpha series.
>
>
> > This could be strange but why people don´t write to capcom guys
> and
> >ask for better backgrounds? Maybe they send reply (Well hope is a
> >very important tought).
>
> GREAT idea.
> There are some backgrounds that I would like to know better:
> The Birthdate of the Alpha characters;
> The true story of Vega/Bison and Rose in the Alpha series;
> The truth about Juni, Juli and the other clones (They are called
> Psycho Squad, but what's the name of the others?);
> What is the connection between Thunder Hawk and Juli (I think they
> are brother and sister);
> Who is Chun Li's father and who really killed him (Vega/Bison or one
> of his servants);
> Lee is Chun Li's father?;
> In SFA3, when Vega/Bison die, the clones "dies" too. But why this
> don't apply to Juli and Cammy?;
>
> > Maybe I write but I still think if they send a reply to a one
> person
> >maybe if we colect signatures and send a big mail with all persons
> >who have doubts in backgrounds sector they can´t just ignore the
> >fans or they can? :)
>
> YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!
>
> VEGA/M. BISON (LUIZ FERNANDO)
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rinaldo Gambetta" <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Let´s call it a question.


> This could be done, but we have or better I have a great problem my
english
> knowledge can serve to write and reply some questions but a important mail
> like that must be well writted and first we must collect all doubts about
> the subjects.
>
> Here goes another tought about Charlie/Nash:
> The friend of Guile in the anime movie exist both persons Charlie and Nash
> we can see them at serie Charlie is the air force base friend who appear
in
> the 3 and 4 episode talking with Guile in the Gym (You known when he
> defeated Ryu)- again I don´t known if this correct dammit translation) but
> by the way Nash appears very different from the Video game idea ( I like
> Charlie/ Nash character but folks he´s a copy of Guile the cloth style the
> manuvers and yes The hair is very similar) but the question is:
> Charlie and Nash are the same person or different persons?
> Who teach Who (Charlie Teach Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick specials
or
> Guile do this for Charlie).
> Many doubts can be found here, yup right to capcom is a good idea the only
> problem for me (they have e-mail?).
>
> VEGA/Bison wrote:

I ~think~ they're different people. However, that may be wrong due to the
fact that a) I only have the first dozen or so episodes and b) it's been a
while since I watched even them.

It is important to note that, as with most media, a translation into a movie
or series deviates from the original in the storyline. (At least they get
names right, Marvel Comics can't even do that. Maybe Stan Lee's replacement
can do better.)

Also, I don't think they've ever said that one trained the other. Most of
what they do is based on their military training, and the rest likely
developed together, teaching eachother moves they pick up in bar brawls and
streetfights.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rinaldo Gambetta" <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
> To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Let´s call it a question.
>
> > This could be done, but we have or better I have a great problem my
> english
> > knowledge can serve to write and reply some questions but a important mail
> > like that must be well writted and first we must collect all doubts about
> > the subjects.
> >
> > Here goes another tought about Charlie/Nash:
> > The friend of Guile in the anime movie exist both persons Charlie and Nash
> > we can see them at serie Charlie is the air force base friend who appear
> in
> > the 3 and 4 episode talking with Guile in the Gym (You known when he
> > defeated Ryu)- again I don´t known if this correct dammit translation) but
> > by the way Nash appears very different from the Video game idea ( I like
> > Charlie/ Nash character but folks he´s a copy of Guile the cloth style the
> > manuvers and yes The hair is very similar) but the question is:
> > Charlie and Nash are the same person or different persons?
> > Who teach Who (Charlie Teach Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick specials
> or
> > Guile do this for Charlie).
> > Many doubts can be found here, yup right to capcom is a good idea the only
> > problem for me (they have e-mail?).
> >
> > VEGA/Bison wrote:
>
> I ~think~ they're different people. However, that may be wrong due to the
> fact that a) I only have the first dozen or so episodes and b) it's been a
> while since I watched even them.
>
> It is important to note that, as with most media, a translation into a movie
> or series deviates from the original in the storyline. (At least they get
> names right, Marvel Comics can't even do that. Maybe Stan Lee's replacement
> can do better.)
>
> Also, I don't think they've ever said that one trained the other. Most of
> what they do is based on their military training, and the rest likely
> developed together, teaching eachother moves they pick up in bar brawls and
> streetfights.
>
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>We in the grand campaign that was run in Trondheim, Norway for some years ago we had a basic maneuer called Evasion:

> Ronny Anderssen wrote:
> >We in the grand campaign that was run in Trondheim, Norway for some years ago we had a basic maneuer called Evasion:
>
> Just get Jump. It's an abort, so you can pull it off any time you want. Or, you can always use Lunging Punch, Spinning Backfist, or the ever-popular Slide Kick to get where you want to go AND do some damage.
>
> I don't use Esquives because a) it's written up wrong, and b) Spanish Ninjitsu is fake.
>
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> This could be done, but we have or better I have a great problem my
>english knowledge can serve to write and reply some questions but a
>important mail like that must be well writted and first we must
>collect all doubts about the subjects.

> Here goes another tought about Charlie/Nash:
> The friend of Guile in the anime movie exist both persons Charlie
>and Nash we can see them at serie Charlie is the air force base
>friend who appear in the 3 and 4 episode talking with Guile in the
>Gym (You known when he defeated Ryu)- again I don´t known if this
>correct dammit translation)

> but by the way Nash appears very different from the Video game idea

>( I like Charlie/ Nash character but folks he´s a copy of Guile

> cloth style the manuvers and yes The hair is very similar)

> but the question is:
> Charlie and Nash are the same person or different persons?

> Who teach Who (Charlie Teach Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick
>specials or Guile do this for Charlie).

> Many doubts can be found here, yup right to capcom is a good idea
> the only problem for me (they have e-mail?).

>
> VEGA/Bison wrote:
>
> > > First I read many versions of backgrounds of Stf
> >
> > Me too. Sometimes it gets confused.
> >
> > > - I remember everyone my book is a translated copy so the idea
> > could
> > >be very wrong or okay it´s just a possibility but here goes my
> > first
> > >question.
> > >
> > > If we compare the game, the Rpg, anime and the movie (that one

> > >Van Damme)
> >
> > Well, Van Damme's Street Fighter movie don't have a official
> > background. Villians were heroes and vice and versa.
> >
> > > we find many things: Well let´s take Ryu for example:
> > > The Rpg book says Ryu have a Japanese mother and foreign father

> > >german if I remember well)
> >
> > This is completely correct. In SFA3 RPG/universe, they give you

> > same information.
> >
> > >, in the anime he lives with his grandfather (I could be wrong
> > > again the dammit translation but all the scenes with this old

> > >Ryu call him grandfather)
> >
> > Yep, this is correct. But we don't know if Rinko is the

> > daughter or just someone else.
> >
> > >and in the movie he has a japanese father because he called Ryu
> > > Hoshi (Hoshi isn´t german or ocidental name if Ryu is a son

> > >German guy he must own a ocidental last name and not a oriental

> > >this used in the movie)
> >
> > This is correct too.
> >
> > > So my question is:
> > > Ryu have a Oriental family (Hoshi) (Father and Mother)?
> >
> > In the old SF2 series, Ryu had a oriental family, but he was an

> > (Gouken "adopted" him and taught him the Shotokan Karate)
> >
> > > Or He live with his grandfather ?
> >
> > This is also correct, but for the SF2 Victory universe.
> >
> > > Or better he have a foreign father and a japanese mother but we
> > >don´t known the last name.
> >
> > This is CORRECT again, in the RPG and in the Alpha series.
> >
> >
> > > This could be strange but why people don´t write to capcom

> > and
> > >ask for better backgrounds? Maybe they send reply (Well hope is a
> > >very important tought).
> >
> > GREAT idea.
> > There are some backgrounds that I would like to know better:
> > The Birthdate of the Alpha characters;
> > The true story of Vega/Bison and Rose in the Alpha series;
> > The truth about Juni, Juli and the other clones (They are called
> > Psycho Squad, but what's the name of the others?);
> > What is the connection between Thunder Hawk and Juli (I think they
> > are brother and sister);
> > Who is Chun Li's father and who really killed him (Vega/Bison or

> > of his servants);
> > Lee is Chun Li's father?;
> > In SFA3, when Vega/Bison die, the clones "dies" too. But why this
> > don't apply to Juli and Cammy?;
> >
> > > Maybe I write but I still think if they send a reply to a one
> > person
> > >maybe if we colect signatures and send a big mail with all

> > >who have doubts in backgrounds sector they can´t just ignore

> > >fans or they can? :)
> >
> > YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!
> >
> > VEGA/M. BISON (LUIZ FERNANDO)
> >
> >

> > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/4/_/17512/_/957101090/
> >

> > This could be done, but we have or better I have a great problem my
> >english knowledge can serve to write and reply some questions but a
> >important mail like that must be well writted and first we must
> >collect all doubts about the subjects.
>
> Yep! Mine english isn't very good too.
>
> > Here goes another tought about Charlie/Nash:
> > The friend of Guile in the anime movie exist both persons Charlie
> >and Nash we can see them at serie Charlie is the air force base
> >friend who appear in the 3 and 4 episode talking with Guile in the
> >Gym (You known when he defeated Ryu)- again I don´t known if this
> >correct dammit translation)
>
> Hum.. this is the second episode. I watched it and I didn't heard
> Guile saying the name of that guy. It could be the Brazilian
> translation. BUT, if you heard the american translation, They could
> have called that guy Chrlie, but later on they realised that guy
> wasn't Charlie, so they called him Nash. This last thing is just my
> opinion.
>
> > but by the way Nash appears very different from the Video game idea
>
> Of course that the Nash/Charlie that appears in the anime isn't the
> same Nash that appears in the game. The anime was made in 1994-95 and
> SF ZERO was released at the end of 95. So the anime was made before
> the ZERO series.
>
> >( I like Charlie/ Nash character but folks he´s a copy of Guile
> the
> > cloth style the manuvers and yes The hair is very similar)
>
> Hum.. The cloth style isn't the same of Guile's. And Nash from the
> game is much more cute that the anime Nash.
>
> > but the question is:
> > Charlie and Nash are the same person or different persons?
>
> Well well well... it's important to say that Charlie, and Akuma,
> don't
> exist in Japan. They are known as Nash and Gouki. This history began
> in the old SF2 (I don't know if you know this story but here we go):
> In Japan, Capcom created the four bosses (In order of appearance): M.
> Bison(Boxe), Balrog(Spanish Ninjitsu), Sagat(Muay Thai) and Vega(Ler
> Drit). But when the game arrived at USA, the american CAPCOM didn't
> like M. Bison(Boxe), because he looks like a lot with Mike Tyson (the
> M. in M. Bison means Mike Bison, and Bison is pronounced as Baisson,
> just like Taisson). So Capcom changed the name of the bosses:
> JAPAN USA
> M. Bison (Boxe) Balrog
> Balrog (Spanish Ninjitsu) Vega
> Sagat (Muay Thai) Sagat
> Vega (Ler Drit, Shadaloo leader) M. Bison (in USA, M. means Master)
> I don't know why but they changed the name of Nash and Gouki Long to
> Charlie and Akuma. (for me, they invented the name Charlie for the
> american manual).
> So Nash and Charlie are the same person, but depending of the game
> his
> name will be Nash or Charlie.
> But please, don't call him Charles Nash. THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!!
>
> > Who teach Who (Charlie Teach Guile the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick
> >specials or Guile do this for Charlie).
>
> Nash/Charlie learned the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick with Guile. Guile
> is older than Nash in the video game. You can say that because of
> Guile's body and face, he is older than Nash.
>
> > Many doubts can be found here, yup right to capcom is a good idea
> > the only problem for me (they have e-mail?).
>
> And what about the EX characters, they don't have even a background.
>
> CAPCOM E-Mail:
>
> megamail@...
>
> Here's the correspondence adress:
> CAPCOM USA, INC.
> 475 OAKMEAD
> PARKWAY
> SUNNYVALE,
> CA 94086 U.S.A.
> Phone: 1-408-774-0500
> Fax: 1-408-522-5331
>
> Does anyone have the full body artwork of Juni, Juli, Guile, Evil
> Ryu,
> Dee Jay, Fei Long, Thunder Hawk and M. Bison/Balrog for Street Alpha
> 3. I can't fund them anywhere. (I mean the full body art).
>
> Vega
>
> >
> > VEGA/Bison wrote:
> >
> > > > First I read many versions of backgrounds of Stf
> > >
> > > Me too. Sometimes it gets confused.
> > >
> > > > - I remember everyone my book is a translated copy so the idea
> > > could
> > > >be very wrong or okay it´s just a possibility but here goes my
> > > first
> > > >question.
> > > >
> > > > If we compare the game, the Rpg, anime and the movie (that one
> with
> > > >Van Damme)
> > >
> > > Well, Van Damme's Street Fighter movie don't have a official
> > > background. Villians were heroes and vice and versa.
> > >
> > > > we find many things: Well let´s take Ryu for example:
> > > > The Rpg book says Ryu have a Japanese mother and foreign father
> (a
> > > >german if I remember well)
> > >
> > > This is completely correct. In SFA3 RPG/universe, they give you
> the
> > > same information.
> > >
> > > >, in the anime he lives with his grandfather (I could be wrong
> > > > again the dammit translation but all the scenes with this old
> man
> > > >Ryu call him grandfather)
> > >
> > > Yep, this is correct. But we don't know if Rinko is the
> Grandfather's
> > > daughter or just someone else.
> > >
> > > >and in the movie he has a japanese father because he called Ryu
> > > > Hoshi (Hoshi isn´t german or ocidental name if Ryu is a son
> of a
> > > >German guy he must own a ocidental last name and not a oriental
> like
> > > >this used in the movie)
> > >
> > > This is correct too.
> > >
> > > > So my question is:
> > > > Ryu have a Oriental family (Hoshi) (Father and Mother)?
> > >
> > > In the old SF2 series, Ryu had a oriental family, but he was an
> orphan
> > > (Gouken "adopted" him and taught him the Shotokan Karate)
> > >
> > > > Or He live with his grandfather ?
> > >
> > > This is also correct, but for the SF2 Victory universe.
> > >
> > > > Or better he have a foreign father and a japanese mother but we
> > > >don´t known the last name.
> > >
> > > This is CORRECT again, in the RPG and in the Alpha series.
> > >
> > >
> > > > This could be strange but why people don´t write to capcom
> guys
> > > and
> > > >ask for better backgrounds? Maybe they send reply (Well hope is a
> > > >very important tought).
> > >
> > > GREAT idea.
> > > There are some backgrounds that I would like to know better:
> > > The Birthdate of the Alpha characters;
> > > The true story of Vega/Bison and Rose in the Alpha series;
> > > The truth about Juni, Juli and the other clones (They are called
> > > Psycho Squad, but what's the name of the others?);
> > > What is the connection between Thunder Hawk and Juli (I think they
> > > are brother and sister);
> > > Who is Chun Li's father and who really killed him (Vega/Bison or
> one
> > > of his servants);
> > > Lee is Chun Li's father?;
> > > In SFA3, when Vega/Bison die, the clones "dies" too. But why this
> > > don't apply to Juli and Cammy?;
> > >
> > > > Maybe I write but I still think if they send a reply to a one
> > > person
> > > >maybe if we colect signatures and send a big mail with all
> persons
> > > >who have doubts in backgrounds sector they can´t just ignore
> the
> > > >fans or they can? :)
> > >
> > > YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!
> > >
> > > VEGA/M. BISON (LUIZ FERNANDO)
> > >
> > >
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>Well the manuver from Savate but what is write wrong in the manuver I

> I semi agree with you about jump, but remember the guy who asked the
> question, did you SEE his maneuvers? it seemed as though instead of
> strategizing, he just invented a maneuver that did exactly what he wanted.
> The thing you have to remember about jump is that A) it does NOT dodge
> attacks, it can only get you out of the way (and not very well if your
> opponent can move more), and B) you have to spend a willpower to abort.
> Now, I agree a little bit with Spanish Ninjitsu being a fake, but ignore
> the ninja part, spanish nijitsu is a very curious style as it has only two
> moves in common with Savate (esquives and diplacement) and only two in
> common with ninjitsu (backflip kick and wall spring), I have no idea where
> it came from, but the books explanation leaves a little to be desired. . .
> . . . . . .
>
> >Well the manuver from Savate but what is write wrong in the manuver I
> realy want known what is it and what is the right thing, and right Spanish
> Ninjutsu is a great fake :).
>
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> I would agree with you, I have made maneuvers myself, as for esquives,
> you're right. I would also agree with you, there should be more european
> styles, how about that kicking style the spanish guy in the Quest used,
> that looked severely cool. Savate is ok, just really weak on maneuvers. . .
> . .
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>I don´t get the start of discution but you talk about the manuvers from
>"Knight of the Black Rose" I see the discutions about but I don´t read the
>manuvers, for this reason I don´t give a shoot about it, about create new
>manuvers the temptation when you create something is very big but frankly

>can´t make for example a manuver hit 3 times have speed +1 and give a

>of +5 for 1 willpower this unbalancing, the best way to keep the fair thing

>give a advantages and disadvantages for the manuver like J.Scot Pittman did

>a system to create new manuvers (you found it in Pittman´s page) this a

>way to keep the control. :)
>
>Spanish Ninjutsu I don´t say the style is a total joke I like the idea of a
>europe styles so the ninja part is strange realy.
>
>I say the Esquives manuvers are original from savate because just look to

>advanced form displacement for all styles who have this manuver the more

>is Savate (and the description of manuver in the web pages say this too).
>But White Wolf books always left much to desire in explains sector the
>confusion is very bigger, luck for guys who have the books :).
>
>brian fish wrote:
>
>> I semi agree with you about jump, but remember the guy who asked the
>> question, did you SEE his maneuvers? it seemed as though instead of
>> strategizing, he just invented a maneuver that did exactly what he

>> The thing you have to remember about jump is that A) it does NOT dodge
>> attacks, it can only get you out of the way (and not very well if your
>> opponent can move more), and B) you have to spend a willpower to abort.
>> Now, I agree a little bit with Spanish Ninjitsu being a fake, but ignore
>> the ninja part, spanish nijitsu is a very curious style as it has only

>> moves in common with Savate (esquives and diplacement) and only two in
>> common with ninjitsu (backflip kick and wall spring), I have no idea

>> it came from, but the books explanation leaves a little to be desired. .

>> . . . . . .
>>
>> >Well the manuver from Savate but what is write wrong in the manuver I
>> realy want known what is it and what is the right thing, and right

>> Ninjutsu is a great fake :).
>>
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> Thanks for mentioning the system. I'm currently working on the MUCH bigger
> second edition of the system. It's looking really cool so far, but it will
> be a few weeks before it's completed. With peoploe like Chris Hoffman out
> there, I've got to get this thing perfected before posting it =).
>
> joespitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] dodging run
>
> >I don´t get the start of discution but you talk about the manuvers from
> >"Knight of the Black Rose" I see the discutions about but I don´t read the
> >manuvers, for this reason I don´t give a shoot about it, about create new
> >manuvers the temptation when you create something is very big but frankly
> you
> >can´t make for example a manuver hit 3 times have speed +1 and give a
> damage
> >of +5 for 1 willpower this unbalancing, the best way to keep the fair thing
> is
> >give a advantages and disadvantages for the manuver like J.Scot Pittman did
> in
> >a system to create new manuvers (you found it in Pittman´s page) this a
> good
> >way to keep the control. :)
> >
> >Spanish Ninjutsu I don´t say the style is a total joke I like the idea of a
> >europe styles so the ninja part is strange realy.
> >
> >I say the Esquives manuvers are original from savate because just look to
> the
> >advanced form displacement for all styles who have this manuver the more
> cheap
> >is Savate (and the description of manuver in the web pages say this too).
> >But White Wolf books always left much to desire in explains sector the
> >confusion is very bigger, luck for guys who have the books :).
> >
> >brian fish wrote:
> >
> >> I semi agree with you about jump, but remember the guy who asked the
> >> question, did you SEE his maneuvers? it seemed as though instead of
> >> strategizing, he just invented a maneuver that did exactly what he
> wanted.
> >> The thing you have to remember about jump is that A) it does NOT dodge
> >> attacks, it can only get you out of the way (and not very well if your
> >> opponent can move more), and B) you have to spend a willpower to abort.
> >> Now, I agree a little bit with Spanish Ninjitsu being a fake, but ignore
> >> the ninja part, spanish nijitsu is a very curious style as it has only
> two
> >> moves in common with Savate (esquives and diplacement) and only two in
> >> common with ninjitsu (backflip kick and wall spring), I have no idea
> where
> >> it came from, but the books explanation leaves a little to be desired. .
> .
> >> . . . . . .
> >>
> >> >Well the manuver from Savate but what is write wrong in the manuver I
> >> realy want known what is it and what is the right thing, and right
> Spanish
> >> Ninjutsu is a great fake :).
> >>
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> I would agree with you, I would think there would HAVE to be some sort of
> native spanish fighting style, and it would probably be one of two things,
> either a type of wrestling (after Rome conquered almost all of Europe, they
> would almost certainly have spread their martial arts), or some sort of
> athletic kicking based style. I think a kicking based style is very
> reasonable to assume because if you look at the types of sports native to
> spain (and europe in general), they are usually highly athletic, and making
> great use of the legs (look at bull fighting, theres a sport that takes
> some guts and a LOT of agility, plus if they don't have some version of
> esquives nd displacement, I don't know who does). Another possibility for a
> native spanish styles would be something similar to Baraquah or a middle
> eastern style. It is reasonable to assume that when the moors invaded spain
> in the middle ages they would had to have left something about their
> martial arts there, either by wanderers who imitated a particular style, or
> by people who actively taught their style to others. . . . .just a thought
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>
>Please send in a Rank 1, newly created fighter with details on how you

>your freebie points. Also include when you can play (what nights and times)
>so i can match fighters up.
>
>Rules for creating characters:
>You may use any styles or maneuvers found in any of the books or on my own
>homepage. This includes Maneuvers from the Encyclopedia Combatica, and the
>New Maneuvers chart (as long as you send in the choices you made on the
>chart, and details on the point costs).
>
>EXCEPTIONS
>No animal hybirds or cybernetics (let's try something NEW that isn't quite
>so unbalancing)
>
>HOUSE RULES
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>2.Blind Fighting follows the rules on my home page.
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>
>ok than, here is how i would keep play balance no one
>can chalange anyone of higher rank than yourself
>because higher rank fighters would never cheepen
>themselvs by fighting a weaker fighter. if you are
>higer rank and you wish to challange a lower rank
>fighter the lower rank fighter probably would not
>accept for fear of getting his butt kicked. And a
>blemish put on his record.
>
>Character creation.
>Roll up a character like normal, concult the chart
>below and pick your rank.
>So here goes for exact exp.
>Rank 6 250 exp and 13 total background points
>Rank 7 300 exp and 15 total background's
>Rank 8 350 exp and 17 total background's
>Rank 9 400 exp and 19 total background's
>And even though you cant start out at rank 10
>Rank 10 500 exp and 25 total background's
>(Some of the rank 10 fighters even surpass this.)
>
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>If the thing is good it worth talk about it :). By the way congratulations

>win the fight with Rebellion it´s funny always the hard fights that ones

>more time is between your characters and Chris Hoffman characters remember
>Gokiwa and Mr.Military bouts :).
>
>Joseph Scott Pittman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for mentioning the system. I'm currently working on the MUCH

>> second edition of the system. It's looking really cool so far, but it

>> be a few weeks before it's completed. With peoploe like Chris Hoffman out
>> there, I've got to get this thing perfected before posting it =).
>>
>> joespitt
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] dodging run
>>
>> >I don´t get the start of discution but you talk about the manuvers from
>> >"Knight of the Black Rose" I see the discutions about but I don´t read

>> >manuvers, for this reason I don´t give a shoot about it, about create

>> >manuvers the temptation when you create something is very big but

>> you
>> >can´t make for example a manuver hit 3 times have speed +1 and give a
>> damage
>> >of +5 for 1 willpower this unbalancing, the best way to keep the fair

>> is
>> >give a advantages and disadvantages for the manuver like J.Scot Pittman

>> in
>> >a system to create new manuvers (you found it in Pittman´s page) this a
>> good
>> >way to keep the control. :)
>> >
>> >Spanish Ninjutsu I don´t say the style is a total joke I like the idea

>> >europe styles so the ninja part is strange realy.
>> >
>> >I say the Esquives manuvers are original from savate because just look

>> the
>> >advanced form displacement for all styles who have this manuver the more
>> cheap
>> >is Savate (and the description of manuver in the web pages say this

>> >But White Wolf books always left much to desire in explains sector the
>> >confusion is very bigger, luck for guys who have the books :).
>> >
>> >brian fish wrote:
>> >
>> >> I semi agree with you about jump, but remember the guy who asked the
>> >> question, did you SEE his maneuvers? it seemed as though instead of
>> >> strategizing, he just invented a maneuver that did exactly what he
>> wanted.
>> >> The thing you have to remember about jump is that A) it does NOT dodge
>> >> attacks, it can only get you out of the way (and not very well if your
>> >> opponent can move more), and B) you have to spend a willpower to

>> >> Now, I agree a little bit with Spanish Ninjitsu being a fake, but

>> >> the ninja part, spanish nijitsu is a very curious style as it has only
>> two
>> >> moves in common with Savate (esquives and diplacement) and only two in
>> >> common with ninjitsu (backflip kick and wall spring), I have no idea
>> where
>> >> it came from, but the books explanation leaves a little to be desired.

>> .
>> >> . . . . . .
>> >>
>> >> >Well the manuver from Savate but what is write wrong in the manuver I
>> >> realy want known what is it and what is the right thing, and right
>> Spanish
>> >> Ninjutsu is a great fake :).
>> >>
>>
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> I heard about the tyson, bison thing, just a thought, I don't know
> what Gouki means in Japanese, but Akuma means Devil, it could be
> that's what they wanted to cal him all the time, but couldn't due

> japanese youths,

> Also EX wasn't made by capcom, at least the first one. It was made
> by someone else with a capcom license (the name of the company
> escapes me right now)

> > I heard about the tyson, bison thing, just a thought, I don't know
> > what Gouki means in Japanese, but Akuma means Devil, it could be
> > that's what they wanted to cal him all the time, but couldn't due
> to
> > japanese youths,
>
> That's right. Akuma means Devil, but I forgot what Gouki means too.
> Sorry.
>
> > Also EX wasn't made by capcom, at least the first one. It was made
> > by someone else with a capcom license (the name of the company
> > escapes me right now)
>
> It was made by Arika, all the SF EX versions.
>
> Who watched the cartoon Street Fighter Game? The american SF cartoon.
>
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> I agree with you 100% about spinning backfit being a great move, there are
> a few things you have to consider though, A) it is WAY to slow to be a
> dodge (speed -1 is way too slow, especially if your dex isn't 5 and your
> opponents is), and B) the person posting wanted to not be hit, and with
> spinning backfist, if they have enough move (assuming they didn't just hit
> you first), they can.

----- Original Message -----
From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Let´s call it a question.


> I heard about the tyson, bison thing, just a thought, I don't know what
> Gouki means in Japanese, but Akuma means Devil, it could be that's what
> they wanted to cal him all the time, but couldn't due to japanese youths,
> Also EX wasn't made by capcom, at least the first one. It was made by
> someone else with a capcom license (the name of the company escapes me
> right now)
>
>
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>
>
>

> Those of you who wish to participate in the irc chat-room tournaments:
> Please send in a Rank 1, newly created fighter with details on how you spent
> your freebie points. Also include when you can play (what nights and times)
> so i can match fighters up.
> Rules for creating characters:
> You may use any styles or maneuvers found in any of the books or on my own
> homepage. This includes Maneuvers from the Encyclopedia Combatica, and the
> New Maneuvers chart (as long as you send in the choices you made on the
> chart, and details on the point costs).
> EXCEPTIONS
> No animal hybirds or cybernetics (let's try something NEW that isn't quite
> so unbalancing)
> HOUSE RULES
> 1.You may abort to ANY Block Maneuver, and crouching Blocks are allowed.
> 2.Blind Fighting follows the rules on my home page.
> 3."Maps" are concidered two dimensional (a straight line of 12 squares).
> Player 1 begins on square 4 and player two on square 9, leaving 4 squares
> between them when combat begins.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Scott Pittman <joespitt@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fury alpha: The contenders
>
> >Those of you who wish to participate in the irc chat-room tournaments:
> >
> >Please send in a Rank 1, newly created fighter with details on how you
> spent
> >your freebie points. Also include when you can play (what nights and times)
> >so i can match fighters up.
> >
> >Rules for creating characters:
> >You may use any styles or maneuvers found in any of the books or on my own
> >homepage. This includes Maneuvers from the Encyclopedia Combatica, and the
> >New Maneuvers chart (as long as you send in the choices you made on the
> >chart, and details on the point costs).
> >
> >EXCEPTIONS
> >No animal hybirds or cybernetics (let's try something NEW that isn't quite
> >so unbalancing)
> >
> >HOUSE RULES
> >1.You may abort to ANY Block Maneuver, and crouching Blocks are allowed.
> >2.Blind Fighting follows the rules on my home page.
> >3."Maps" are concidered two dimensional (a straight line of 12 squares).
> >Player 1 begins on square 4 and player two on square 9, leaving 4 squares
> >between them when combat begins.
> >
> >
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> I semi agree with you about jump, but remember the guy who asked the
> question, did you SEE his maneuvers? it seemed as though instead of
> strategizing, he just invented a maneuver that did exactly what he
> wanted.

> I don�t get the start of discution but you talk about the manuvers
> from
> "Knight of the Black Rose" I see the discutions about but I don�t
> read the
> manuvers, for this reason I don�t give a shoot about it, about
> create new
> manuvers the temptation when you create something is very big but
> frankly you
> can�t make for example a manuver hit 3 times have speed +1 and give
> a damage
> of +5 for 1 willpower this unbalancing

> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:37:17 -0300 Rinaldo Gambetta
> <rinaldo.gambetta@...> writes:
> > I don´t get the start of discution but you talk about the manuvers
> > from
> > "Knight of the Black Rose" I see the discutions about but I don´t
> > read the
> > manuvers, for this reason I don´t give a shoot about it, about
> > create new
> > manuvers the temptation when you create something is very big but
> > frankly you
> > can´t make for example a manuver hit 3 times have speed +1 and give
> > a damage
> > of +5 for 1 willpower this unbalancing
>
> I would never make such a move (I know you're not accusing me of such
> because you didn't see my list). My new revised web page list is updated
> now and quite balanced. I would say not even Brian Fish could complain
> about them now, but I think he can nit-pick about anything which is not a
> bad thing. Of course, I thought the "Matrix-y"moves he posted a while
> back were far over-powered. (What he must think of the moves from the SFZ
> Dash page must simply be ghastly.) But, we all have our own opinions on
> what is balanced and what isn't.
>
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>The question is rank 1 fights have more
>emotion have more rounds movements and more easier to manage, when I finish this
>tournament if I made another I use lower ranks.

>> Who watched Street Fighter Game? The american SF cartoon?
> I watch it, the art work left to desire but some history hooks can

> here :).