Cliff maybe this the problem the variable ranks, I don´t want say how the
way to you drive the show but if you make all fighters with same rank call
more attention from other persons, you known they want more explain in the
area how you avoid unbalancing fights among high ranks and lower ranks,
these type of thing.

cliff rice wrote:

> Oh a while back I wanted to make a tourney for
> fighters of rank 6 to 9 loys of people said they were
> interested but no one sent their character's how it
> worked was you rolled up youre fighter as normal
> but he got 50 experience points per rank above First
> and 2 background points per rank above second.
> but no one submitted a character.
>
> Cliff
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you running it email or chat? if chat, where and when, I might be interested

well, the last word from ME, at any rate.

I know a Sifu who lives in Chinatown (NYC) who, for all intents and
purposes, can be considered pretty "old school" when it comes to his style.
He's not a master, but he knows his shit. After seeing him temporarily heal
a friend's arthritis without even *touching* her, I'm inclined to believe he
knows more about this sort of thing than any of us can hope to.

Anyway.

I went to see Du-Sifu yesterday, since he's an excellent physical therapist
and is the only one who's been able to relieve my back pain. He wasn't
busy, so we took him to lunch before the appointment and, with my loving
wife as a translator, asked him a few questions about Life, the Universe,
and Kung Fu.

I asked him the following questions, and recieved the following answers.
Toward the end, he commented a little bit on our buddy Jet Li, and I found
the information VERY interesting.

Q: "What is the difference between Wu Shu and Kung Fu?"

A: Kung Fu is the Northern Chinese term for martial arts. Wu Shu is the
Southern. Otherwise, there is no difference.

Q: "What's the story on Mao (or anyone else) in the government outlawing
Kung Fu?
A: It's not true. In fact, One of Mao's generals (Li, I think his name was)
was a Shaolin monk and Kung Fu master in his own right.

Q: "So the whole story about Wu Shu being a more politically correct way to
teach Kung Fu is basically wrong."
A: Correct. (My wife added that while Wu Shu is required to be taught by
the government in public schooling, it's not taught for combat. Form over
function, as it were.)

And finally, he had this to say:

"There are many Kung Fu masters in China who do not wish to reveal
themselves to the world, and who are better than anyone can imagine. Once
Jet Li gets better at his style, he will receive challenge letters from
these masters. But, he dares not accept them."

When asked why, he said:

"Because he would lose, and that would be very bad for his public image."

Kinda makes ya think, dudn't it?

What do you think, sirs?

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--- Joseph Scott Pittman <joespitt@...> wrote:

> I hate to hear you wont be there with us Chris!
>
> joespitt

Just a matter of logistics, I'm afraid. I don't personally own a computer, all
the postings and other webstuff I do are off campus computers which don't have
an IRC client (and part of my agreement to use them is not to hack security to
add software). Besides, I wouldn't be able to access them on weekends which is
probably when you'll do this.

It is good to know that I'll be missed, but I'm sure you'll persevere. Just be
sure to clock Bison one for me.

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actually, when I asked if it was true that Kung Fu had been outlawed by the
government, Du-Sifu said that it hadn't... but prior to the government's
legislation, Kung Fu schools were separate entities and were always fighting
amongst themselves. The government tried to dissolve these schools and
unify them under one leader. So in a sense, the schools' teaching of Kung
Fu was outlawed, but the actual practice of the style was not.

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--- Spirto <spirto@...> wrote:

> We came up with this house rule last time we played and I was wondering if I
> could get your opinion. It was to up the lethality level of our campaign so
> combat would be scarier. :)
> It seemed to work ok.

*snip*

Hmmm... lethal, but only if your players decide to use it. I like it!

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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> Dude, I ain't even gonna go there.
>
> Ah hell, who'm I kidding. Yes I am.

I was wondering that myself.

> Point by point, here we go.
>
> "I would agree with you to a point, but lets face it, there should be more
> male fighters than female, that's just the way it is, the only exception
> might be Wu Shu."

I wouldn't say that. In my fencing Salle we have about 25 to 30 people with
the men/women split being somewhere between 50/50 and 60/40.

> I wouldn't say that. Any woman who takes Martial Arts and is serious about
> her competition is (at least, in Street Fighter) going to want to take on
> all comers who she considers equals. Can she do this in legitimate
> tournaments? No, she can't, because last time I checked, there was no such
> thing as Coed divisions in professional sports.

> In the real world, Wu Shu is just another name for Kung Fu (with some slight
> differences) and is taught to (nearly) all Chinese. It's a required part of
> physical education China's public school system. My wife studied it for
> twelve years as a result. Now think about this. EVERY CHILD going to
> school in China learns Wu Shu. China's population, is, well, enormous.
> Really enormous.
> Knock-the-Earth-out-of-its-orbit-if-all-of-them-jumped-off-a-chair-at-the-sa
> me-time enormous. Now granted, not all Chinese who study Wu Shu are going
> to become Street Fighters, but given the "all Wu Shu fighters are women"
> stereotype put forth in Street Fighter, and the fact that all Chinese learn
> at least some basic Wu Shu, it's just a matter of numbers. There *will* be
> a higher percentage of Wu Shu fighters than not.

Besides, if women can invent their own viable styles of Kung Fu (Wing Chun
comes to mind), then they're presence is going to be felt no matter what
percentage they have.

> "My GM has this thing for 15 year old girls in his games,
> and they're some of the most dangerous characters, but, as their stat
> system goes, all things are NOT equal, do you honestly think there is a
> woman alive who is as strong as the worlds strongest man competitors?"
>
> Now you're just stereotyping. Chun Li is as strong as Ryu. Cammy is as
> strong as Vega (I think; is he Str 4 or 5?). Any woman can achieve the same
> physical levels as any man under the Street Fighter system.

He sort of almost has a point though. Chun Li is the self-proclaimed
'strongest woman in the world'. It kind of implies that women can't get beyond
a five, or at least haven't yet. Of course, I wouldn't cap a female PC's
strength at five, but I would increase Chun-Li's (and everyone else's) strength
accordingly.

Besides, if there's a surplus of fifteen year old girls running around in your
chronicals, they probably also have magic wands, mini skirts, and draw their
power from heaven... no, ummm, celestial, yeah celestial bodies, so they
wouldn't count.

If you're going to cap the gal's strength, are you going to cap the guy's
dexterity and/or athletics? After all, women are so much more agile and
flexible then men. I see it in anime and video games all the time so it must
be true.

Pardon me, I have a mess to clean up. It seems I dripped some sarcasm on the
floor.

> "I
> think my tourney is geared realisticly, it's about 10% female, and not a
> one of them has a strength higher than 3. look at street fighter, none of
> their women fighters (other than chun li of course) are really more than a
> gimmick."
>
> Cammy. Juni & Juli. Sai. Lady Khan. Corona. Orihime. Matrix.

I feel out of the loop. I only recognize Cammy and Juni & Juli, unless Lady
Khan is Shao Khan's wife.

On a related note, I think Trinity would be a kick ass character to play in a
matrix fighting game.

> "I mean I'm not saying it isn't ok to have a few female characters
> now and then, but look at the list, do we have even one female??"

Probably not (If I'm wrong, I'm sure she'll speak up).

> this list is on the Internet (male dominated) for gamers (male dominated)
> for Kung Fu geeks (male dominated). Talk about a sub-section of a
> sub-section. As a result, it doesn't count.

And we only have a couple of hundred members tops (probably less). Not a
statistically viable group when you consider the millions (maybe billions) of
martial artist running around.

> And before you counter with "there are no women gamers", I have played as
> the lone male in an all-women group, and at times, over half the players in
> my own group have been women. And not just because their boyfriends dragged
> them along.

Lucky guy. I can count the number of female gamers I personally know on one
hand.

> "And do you
> honestly think a guy wants so be in a female dominated environment, even in
> a role playing game? just some things to think about..."
>
> sounds to me like you have some gender issues. I never said the entire
> environment was female, just that there is a much larger percentage of
> female Street Fighters than, say, ten percent. I'd put it more at 30, or
> even 40.

That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40 to 45 range.

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--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:

> I play many time and I remember many last words from the bad guys I�m curious
> if someone
> have a good one, just use the memory and remember the good moment. this words
> are from
> thugs and of course the boss. This could be fun see the other people campaing
> words in
> the list :).

Cool Idea!

1. Hmmm. You're not bad. Want to join the winning team? We have a great
dental plan. *after the players procede with the smackdown* Ouch, I'm glad I
had that plan...Boss

2. I am Franz and he be Hanz and were here to f@ck *flexes* you up!...Mid Boss

3. Boss! I'm in big trouble here and I need... what? Yes I'll hold...Corrupt
promoter

4. Ouch! You've been using codes! Cheater!...Thug

5. Hah! You have fallen in to my trap. Now I can anilate you with my
ultimate plot device! Now where did I put that...Boss

6. Hah! Once again you have fallen in to my trap. Now I shall anilate you
with my ultima...WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ULTIMATE PLOT DEVICE. Well, this
just SUCKS!... Boss II Return of the Sequel

7. Hmmm, you are just one man. We should just beat the living crap out of
you. Fortunately, we are enlightened thugs and know your kung fu is better
than ours, so we shall run. *procede to run smack into a wall*...Thugs

8. Go away! I'm in my happy place!...Boss

9. Thank god it's not those damn turtles again!...Boss

10. Wait! What are you doing! You can't beat us up, we're just bankrobbers.
Bison is going to conquer the world while you deal with small timers like us.
How about you let us go, and we won't get in your way.

I didn't think you'd go for it...Thugs

As you can tell, my campaigns tend to run in the surreal.

> 1- You must be kidding... (Smash)... No he isn�t it. Thug words.
> 2- If have a few seconds...Boss words.
> 3- Hey this isn�t fair how can you untie your ropes open the Metal door and
> appear here
> in my secret lab all this and just in few minutes. Boss words.
> 4- Trust me. Thug words.
> 5- No problem I solve it soon. Thug words.
> 6- I�m invincible. Boss words.
> 7- Oh s...(well people do this in the bathroom). Boss and Thug words.
> 8- He is only a old guy. Thug words about any martial arts master.
> 9- We are 3 he can�t beat us right guys? Guys? Hey where everybody go? Thug
> words.
> 10- Why I put a self destruction buttom in my secret vulcano base? Boss
> words.

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--- azathoth05@... wrote:

> Bad Mr. Frosty! I was unbeatable in Clay Fighter using him! But no I would
> never use him against my players, they used to play Clay Fighters against me
> and would probably give up without a fight if I ever introduced him.

I was more of an Ichiboo Clay man myself.

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You forgot
Well, if it's a fair fight you want. . . . .Oh, wait, I just remembered, I
don't fight fair . . . . .Boss

>1. Hmmm. You're not bad. Want to join the winning team? We have a great
>dental plan. *after the players procede with the smackdown* Ouch, I'm

glad I

>had that plan...Boss
>
>2. I am Franz and he be Hanz and were here to f@ck *flexes* you up!...Mid

Boss

>
>3. Boss! I'm in big trouble here and I need... what? Yes I'll

hold...Corrupt

>promoter
>
>4. Ouch! You've been using codes! Cheater!...Thug
>
>5. Hah! You have fallen in to my trap. Now I can anilate you with my
>ultimate plot device! Now where did I put that...Boss
>
>6. Hah! Once again you have fallen in to my trap. Now I shall anilate you
>with my ultima...WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ULTIMATE PLOT DEVICE. Well, this
>just SUCKS!... Boss II Return of the Sequel
>
>7. Hmmm, you are just one man. We should just beat the living crap out of
>you. Fortunately, we are enlightened thugs and know your kung fu is better
>than ours, so we shall run. *procede to run smack into a wall*...Thugs
>
>8. Go away! I'm in my happy place!...Boss
>
>9. Thank god it's not those damn turtles again!...Boss
>
>10. Wait! What are you doing! You can't beat us up, we're just

bankrobbers.

>Bison is going to conquer the world while you deal with small timers like

us.

>How about you let us go, and we won't get in your way.
>
>I didn't think you'd go for it...Thugs
>
>As you can tell, my campaigns tend to run in the surreal.
>
>> 1- You must be kidding... (Smash)... No he isn´t it. Thug words.
>> 2- If have a few seconds...Boss words.
>> 3- Hey this isn´t fair how can you untie your ropes open the Metal door and
>> appear here
>> in my secret lab all this and just in few minutes. Boss words.
>> 4- Trust me. Thug words.
>> 5- No problem I solve it soon. Thug words.
>> 6- I´m invincible. Boss words.
>> 7- Oh s...(well people do this in the bathroom). Boss and Thug words.
>> 8- He is only a old guy. Thug words about any martial arts master.
>> 9- We are 3 he can´t beat us right guys? Guys? Hey where everybody go? Thug
>> words.
>> 10- Why I put a self destruction buttom in my secret vulcano base? Boss
>> words.
>
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I bow to your sifu's superior knowledge of Chinese history and culture, my
sources of info may not be quite. . . . . ..exact, we all have our strong
suits, I know more about Japanese styles than Chinese (I tried learning
Kung Fu and the different stances and forms hurt me), anyways, it appears I
have several misconceptions about chinese martial arts in general, but
wasn't Jet Li a forms champion? I knew there was a chinese full contact
sport (the name escapes me right now), but I think Cung Le is the current
champ of that.

> Cammy. Juni & Juli. Sai. Lady Khan. Corona. Orihime. Matrix.

"I feel out of the loop. I only recognize Cammy and Juni & Juli, unless
Lady
Khan is Shao Khan's wife."

Sai, Lady Khan, and Matrix are all from Contenders, Corona is from Secrets
of Shadoloo, and Orihime is from the Player's Guide. The point I was trying
to make was that it's highly possible to include women in Street Fighter
that aren't gimmicks, and the video games aren't the only places to look.
When you really get down to it, 99.9% of the fighters in Alpha 3 (INCLUDING
the originals!) are gimmicks. We have about six Shoto-Clones (Ryu, Ken,
Dan, Sakura, Akuma, Sagat, Evil Ryu), three wanna-bes (Charlie/Guile,
Sakura/Ryu, Kairin/Ken), a Bruce Lee ripoff (Fei Long), and a list of racial
stereotypes a mile long...

you are correct, sir. Although I don't have specifics, I do know that Jet
Li is a five-time champion of a very esteemed tournament whose name escapes
me right now. Perhaps someone else would like to fill us in on this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:44 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] D'oh. One more thing...


I bow to your sifu's superior knowledge of Chinese history and culture, my
sources of info may not be quite. . . . . ..exact, we all have our strong
suits, I know more about Japanese styles than Chinese (I tried learning
Kung Fu and the different stances and forms hurt me), anyways, it appears I
have several misconceptions about chinese martial arts in general, but
wasn't Jet Li a forms champion? I knew there was a chinese full contact
sport (the name escapes me right now), but I think Cung Le is the current
champ of that.


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--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> > Cammy. Juni & Juli. Sai. Lady Khan. Corona. Orihime. Matrix.
>
> "I feel out of the loop. I only recognize Cammy and Juni & Juli, unless
> Lady
> Khan is Shao Khan's wife."
>
> Sai, Lady Khan, and Matrix are all from Contenders, Corona is from Secrets
> of Shadoloo, and Orihime is from the Player's Guide.

Well in the words of a great philosopher and a great American:

D'oh!

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Ear pop is bad manuver for weak fighter but if you have a good punch
technique and have
strenght.... well is powerfull and the better thing ignore stamina for
soak purposes.
Well this another fight to people see.


Joseph Masterson Player: Cliff Rice Style: Boxing/Sambo Country:
Germany.

Appearance: Joseph Is only about 5'11" But is abseenly huge muscled he
wears elbow pads
and combat boodt in the ring his hands are taped up. He has brown hair
cut similarly
like balrogs and wears ripped blue jeans.

Quote before fight: "Come Face me little man" (Pops his knuckles)

Vs

Lars Ax Player: Npc Style: Wrestiling Country: Norway

Appearance: Lars Ax is a giant nordic type with well builded muscles, he
wear only a
wrestiling pants and use military boots at his torso is a printed some
nordic runes, a
good luck charm (he think this).
His size is about 7'11" 400 lbs, and of course he carry his wrestiling
champion belt.

Quote before fight: Look with curious to opponent and close hands in a
fight stance.


Move 1- Lars Ax move 3 hexes and try to make a Ear Pop for combo but
Joseph Masterson is more faster and hit his Jab for combo (dizzy) and
Lars Ax receive: 1 point of damage and Lars Ax hit his Ear Pop and
Joseph Masterson receive: 3 points of damage.
Move 2- Lars Ax try to make a Widowmaker but Joseph Masterson is more
faster and make a Jab for combo (dizzy) and Lars Ax receive: 4 points of
damage but Lars Ax hit his Widowmaker and Joseph Masterson receive: 4
points of damage and suffer knockdown this broke his combo.
Move 3- Joseph Masterson stand up and a try to make a Neck Choke for
combo but Lar Ax is more faster and make a Suplex and Joseph Masterson
receive: 4 points of damage and receive knockdown, he stand up in this
turn.
Move 4- Joseph Masterson try to make a Neck Choke for combo but Lars Ax
is more faster and make a Braincracker and Joseph Masterson receive: 5
points of damage and knockout.

Lars Ax wins by knockout.
Lars Ax celebrate his victory with smile.

--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:

> It�s realy fun reading this Ha! Ha! Ha! good last words :).

I'm glad they got a chuckle out of you. My favorites of yours were 3 and 9.

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Corralled my cubemate (Chinese, gorgeous, you know the type) and she
informed me that Jet Li is a five time winner of the National Wushu
Championship.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Karstensen [mailto:skarstensen@...]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:47 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] D'oh. One more thing...



you are correct, sir. Although I don't have specifics, I do know that Jet
Li is a five-time champion of a very esteemed tournament whose name escapes
me right now. Perhaps someone else would like to fill us in on this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: brian fish [mailto:fishbn@...]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:44 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] D'oh. One more thing...


I bow to your sifu's superior knowledge of Chinese history and culture, my
sources of info may not be quite. . . . . ..exact, we all have our strong
suits, I know more about Japanese styles than Chinese (I tried learning
Kung Fu and the different stances and forms hurt me), anyways, it appears I
have several misconceptions about chinese martial arts in general, but
wasn't Jet Li a forms champion? I knew there was a chinese full contact
sport (the name escapes me right now), but I think Cung Le is the current
champ of that.


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>I wouldn't say that. In my fencing Salle we have about 25 to 30 people with
>the men/women split being somewhere between 50/50 and 60/40.

Fencing isn't a martial art per se, it makes use of weapons where strength
is irrelevant and size is more of a detrement than anything else. I would
semi-agree with you that sports like that would tend to attract more women
than say, Sambo. . . . .

>Besides, if women can invent their own viable styles of Kung Fu (Wing Chun
>comes to mind), then they're presence is going to be felt no matter what
>percentage they have.

I never said they wouldn't have a presence, Chun Li is probably one of the
best world warriors (even better than Ryu, I think), even though Cammy is
one of the worst, I never doubted that they would have a presence, just to
what degree that presence should be.

>He sort of almost has a point though. Chun Li is the self-proclaimed
>'strongest woman in the world'. It kind of implies that women can't get

beyond

>a five, or at least haven't yet. Of course, I wouldn't cap a female PC's
>strength at five, but I would increase Chun-Li's (and everyone else's)

strength

>accordingly.

>If you're going to cap the gal's strength, are you going to cap the guy's
>dexterity and/or athletics? After all, women are so much more agile and
>flexible then men. I see it in anime and video games all the time so it must
>be true.

I disagree with that point, now I would hesitate to bring a man's Dex and
Athletics to superhuman levels, but looks at men's gymnists, I could see
them with a dex of up to five, and a strength in the 3-4 range. Men can
become just as flexible and dextrous as women, women just cannot become as
strong as men.

>I feel out of the loop. I only recognize Cammy and Juni & Juli, unless Lady
>Khan is Shao Khan's wife.

Lady Khan is a character out of the contenders book, they have a lot of. .
. . interesting characters in there, I usually ignore them and just use the
styles. . . . . . .

>> And before you counter with "there are no women gamers", I have played as
>> the lone male in an all-women group, and at times, over half the players in
>> my own group have been women. And not just because their boyfriends

dragged

>> them along.
>
>Lucky guy. I can count the number of female gamers I personally know on one
>hand.

I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
where HE'S gaming. . . . .

>That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40

to 45 range.

You think 40-45% of full contact fighters would be female? I doubt it, see,
mostly women compete in classes with point sparring, but not full contact,
the exceptions are Judo/jujitsu (which has no striking), and Tae Kwon Do
(which has no grappling), go to a shootfighting class or something similar
and see how many women there are. Plus, ironicly enough, pick up this
month's issue of Black Belt Magazine and read Bill Wallace's section, he
discusses the real life points of this issue, game non withstanding. I'm
not saying women couldn't fight, and even beat men, but the percentage of
fighters who would be female should be VERY low.

I bow to your sifu's superior knowledge of Chinese history and culture, my
sources of info may not be quite. . . . . ..exact, we all have our strong
suits, I know more about Japanese styles than Chinese (I tried learning
Kung Fu and the different stances and forms hurt me), anyways, it appears I
have several misconceptions about chinese martial arts in general, but
wasn't Jet Li a forms champion? I knew there was a chinese full contact
sport (the name escapes me right now), but I think Cung Le is the current
champ of that.

you FOOLS!

Repent now and bow down to His Holiness, THE BLOB!

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--- azathoth05@... wrote:

> Bad Mr. Frosty! I was unbeatable in Clay Fighter using him! But no I

would

> never use him against my players, they used to play Clay Fighters against

me

> and would probably give up without a fight if I ever introduced him.

I was more of an Ichiboo Clay man myself.

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"Fencing isn't a martial art per se, it makes use of weapons where strength
is irrelevant and size is more of a detrement than anything else."

To this, I say, feh. As I'm sure others will, too.

"I would
semi-agree with you that sports like that would tend to attract more women
than say, Sambo. . . . ."

depends on the type of Sambo. Sporting Sambo is similar to Jiu-Jitsu and
while I don't know the actual numbers, would expect a similar # of women in
both styles.

"I disagree with that point, now I would hesitate to bring a man's Dex and
Athletics to superhuman levels, but looks at men's gymnists, I could see
them with a dex of up to five, and a strength in the 3-4 range. Men can
become just as flexible and dextrous as women, women just cannot become as
strong as men."

sounds to me like you just don't think women can be physically equal to men
and are trying to justify it any way you can. Womens' bodybuilders don't
count, I take it?

"I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
where HE'S gaming. . . . ."

hehehe.

>That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40

to 45 range.

"You think 40-45% of full contact fighters would be female? I doubt it, see,
mostly women compete in classes with point sparring, but not full contact,
the exceptions are Judo/jujitsu"

...and Aikido. I dated a woman from Taiwan very briefly who told me about
her instructor's other class. :)

"(which has no striking), and Tae Kwon Do
(which has no grappling), go to a shootfighting class or something similar
and see how many women there are. Plus, ironicly enough, pick up this
month's issue of Black Belt Magazine and read Bill Wallace's section, he
discusses the real life points of this issue, game non withstanding. I'm
not saying women couldn't fight, and even beat men, but the percentage of
fighters who would be female should be VERY low."

in reality? Maybe. In Street Fighter? No.

>I wouldn't say that. In my fencing Salle we have about 25 to 30 people with
>the men/women split being somewhere between 50/50 and 60/40.

Fencing isn't a martial art per se, it makes use of weapons where strength
is irrelevant and size is more of a detrement than anything else. I would
semi-agree with you that sports like that would tend to attract more women
than say, Sambo. . . . .

>Besides, if women can invent their own viable styles of Kung Fu (Wing Chun
>comes to mind), then they're presence is going to be felt no matter what
>percentage they have.

I never said they wouldn't have a presence, Chun Li is probably one of the
best world warriors (even better than Ryu, I think), even though Cammy is
one of the worst, I never doubted that they would have a presence, just to
what degree that presence should be.

>He sort of almost has a point though. Chun Li is the self-proclaimed
>'strongest woman in the world'. It kind of implies that women can't get

beyond

>a five, or at least haven't yet. Of course, I wouldn't cap a female PC's
>strength at five, but I would increase Chun-Li's (and everyone else's)

strength

>accordingly.

>If you're going to cap the gal's strength, are you going to cap the guy's
>dexterity and/or athletics? After all, women are so much more agile and
>flexible then men. I see it in anime and video games all the time so it must
>be true.

I disagree with that point, now I would hesitate to bring a man's Dex and
Athletics to superhuman levels, but looks at men's gymnists, I could see
them with a dex of up to five, and a strength in the 3-4 range. Men can
become just as flexible and dextrous as women, women just cannot become as
strong as men.

>I feel out of the loop. I only recognize Cammy and Juni & Juli, unless Lady
>Khan is Shao Khan's wife.

Lady Khan is a character out of the contenders book, they have a lot of. .
. . interesting characters in there, I usually ignore them and just use the
styles. . . . . . .

>> And before you counter with "there are no women gamers", I have played as
>> the lone male in an all-women group, and at times, over half the players in
>> my own group have been women. And not just because their boyfriends

dragged

>> them along.
>
>Lucky guy. I can count the number of female gamers I personally know on one
>hand.

I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
where HE'S gaming. . . . .

>That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40

to 45 range.

You think 40-45% of full contact fighters would be female? I doubt it, see,
mostly women compete in classes with point sparring, but not full contact,
the exceptions are Judo/jujitsu (which has no striking), and Tae Kwon Do
(which has no grappling), go to a shootfighting class or something similar
and see how many women there are. Plus, ironicly enough, pick up this
month's issue of Black Belt Magazine and read Bill Wallace's section, he
discusses the real life points of this issue, game non withstanding. I'm
not saying women couldn't fight, and even beat men, but the percentage of
fighters who would be female should be VERY low.

--- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:

>
> you FOOLS!
>
> Repent now and bow down to His Holiness, THE BLOB!

The blob? Isn't that the guy who can make himself imobile?

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Thank you.

Actually one of my favourite Street Fighter moments came about as a result
of this house rule. Our characters were invited to a rank 4 tournament as a
way for our enemies to beat the crap out of us. We were only rank 2 still.
So being the cocky people we were decided to go. Well most of the
characters worked their way through the tournament fairly well before
getting eliminated. The final match to determine the winner of the
tournament came about and all that was left was my character Dane Blackstone
(Kung Fu) and my characters best friend Damion (Lua). Well we went all out
on eachother, and after the 9th round, we were both at 9 agg and no
willpower left. So we both collapsed at the same time. He won as a
decision. (I had 11 health, so he technically inflicted more damage than I
did giving him the decision). It was just so cool. (even though I lost) but
we got tonnes of glory and even gained some respect from our enemies. Who
promptly beat us into submission rather easily the next time we ran into
them because we were still healing from the beating we gave eachother.

MikeM

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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] House Rule
>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:19:10 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>--- Spirto <spirto@...> wrote:
> > We came up with this house rule last time we played and I was wondering
>if I
> > could get your opinion. It was to up the lethality level of our
>campaign so
> > combat would be scarier. :)
> > It seemed to work ok.
>
>*snip*
>
>Hmmm... lethal, but only if your players decide to use it. I like it!
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That would be forms right? I remembered the chinese full contact, it's
called Sanshou. . . . . .Me and my style lore of 4 LOL just kidding ;)

>"I would
>semi-agree with you that sports like that would tend to attract more women
>than say, Sambo. . . . ."
>
>depends on the type of Sambo. Sporting Sambo is similar to Jiu-Jitsu and
>while I don't know the actual numbers, would expect a similar # of women in
>both styles.

The thing with Sambo is, it is a very rare style (at least in the us), and
hence, being not as wide spread as Judo or jujitsu doesn't attract a good
cross section of people, most people that do Sambo were either trained in
eastern europe, wrestlers, or judo stylists, but it is a very male
dominated sport, I don't even think they HAVE women's divisions . . . . .

>"I disagree with that point, now I would hesitate to bring a man's Dex and
>Athletics to superhuman levels, but looks at men's gymnists, I could see
>them with a dex of up to five, and a strength in the 3-4 range. Men can
>become just as flexible and dextrous as women, women just cannot become as
>strong as men."
>
>sounds to me like you just don't think women can be physically equal to men
>and are trying to justify it any way you can. Womens' bodybuilders don't
>count, I take it?

OK, me not being a scientist, or student of biomechanics, I'm gonna have to
borrow this one from the afformentioned Bill Wallace article. "a woman
doesn't have the strength or power her male advresary has. Even though they
may be equal in size, the man will have more muscle mass, and those muscles
will be much more dense. In general, a man's muscles are stronger, larger,
and more powerful. Also a man's fast twitch muscle fibers are faster, and
his slow twitch muscle fibers have more endurance. A man's bones are larger
too. With all these factors stacked against women, it is unfair to expect
them to win a full contact bout with a man."

>"I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
>where HE'S gaming. . . . ."
>
>hehehe.
>

Basically, a woman might be able to make up the damage with technique, but
in overall strength and endurance, they will almost always be second best
to a man, all things being equal. . . . .

--- brian fish <fishbn@...> wrote:

> Fencing isn't a martial art per se,

Just when I thought I wouldn't have to kill again, he drags me back in...

it makes use of weapons where strength

> is irrelevant and size is more of a detrement than anything else.

A. Strength is _far_ from irrelevant in fencing. If you ever fought with a
sword, or just about any other melee weapons that regularly contact each other,
you'd know that.

B. Most martial arts, including Sanbo, many different flavors of Kung Fu/Wu
Shu and Aikido, use weapons at advanced levels.

C. Size is both a benefit and a detriment. As the largest person in the Salle
I am keenly aware of this. My size gives me strength (see A above), and
doesn't slow me down as much as you'd think, or give that much more target
area. It also gives me superior reach and lunging distance.

I would

> semi-agree with you that sports like that would tend to attract more women
> than say, Sambo. . . . .

Oh, you're talking about OLYMPIC FENCING. I'll let you live. What I do, and
what they do as a sport is as different as professional wrestling and Special
Forces (which is what real life combat Sanbo is).

> >If you're going to cap the gal's strength, are you going to cap the guy's
> >dexterity and/or athletics? After all, women are so much more agile and
> >flexible then men. I see it in anime and video games all the time so it
> must
> >be true.
>
> I disagree with that point, now I would hesitate to bring a man's Dex and
> Athletics to superhuman levels, but looks at men's gymnists, I could see
> them with a dex of up to five, and a strength in the 3-4 range. Men can
> become just as flexible and dextrous as women, women just cannot become as
> strong as men.

Ah, but those are the _exceptions_, as a general rule, women are lighter, more
flexible, and more agile then their Y chromosome counterparts. Just like that
one weight lifter that Steve mentioned (who's name escapes me) who has a six or
seven strength. Most women will never have even a four strength, let alone a
six. Neither will most men.

Just playing devil's advocate (my second favorite game). Remember, as a
general rule we _play_ the exceptions. In a highly anime style, dramatic game
you shouldn't have different rules for guys and the gals. If you're lucky
enough to have girls in your group, then it will only cause them to feel
slighted (and they'd be right to), even if you feel it adds to the realism.
That went out of style with first edition AD&D.

Personally, I think your problem is that you're tired of having your characters
getting beat up by a _girl!_

> >Lucky guy. I can count the number of female gamers I personally know on one
> >hand.
>
> I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
> where HE'S gaming. . . . .

Maybe we can car pool there or something.

> >That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40
> to 45 range.
>
> You think 40-45% of full contact fighters would be female?

I don't think (whenever possible), I've seen. My karate sensei (back when I
took karate) was female and my mom taught me a little Judo. Also, the girls in
the class outnumbered the guys. Of course, I might just live in the martial
arts equivalent of Steve's RPG heaven.

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All this debate over women vs men has lead me to tell you all a story. Its
got nothing to do about the debate really, but I just wanted to share it
with you. A few years back when I was still taking martial arts I hung
around after class to get some sparring in. Well nobody my level stayed,
except for a friend of mine, so I had to spar with her. The matches were
four three minute rounds with 30 seconds inbetween. Well it was a
slaughter! I got my ass kicked all over the ring! Yeah, I was a lot
stronger than her, but my strength didnt mean jack, because I couldnt hit
her! For every kick or punch I threw she threw three back, and almost all
of them connected. I hit her once near the end of the second round with a
spinning back fist and sent her sprawling, but that was the only time I
managed to land a solid hit.

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>it makes use of weapons where strength
>> is irrelevant and size is more of a detrement than anything else.
>
>A. Strength is _far_ from irrelevant in fencing. If you ever fought with a
>sword, or just about any other melee weapons that regularly contact each

other,

I actually fence myself, in the style it seems you do, I regularly fence
with my best friend who weighs twice as much as me, trust me, strength is
not an issue with fencing weapons, it is in most styles like Kendo and with
most other oriental weapons, but in fencing it's all technique. Also arm
length is relative, my reach (at 5-9) is about equal to his at 6-2, I have
unusually long arms. (buying a gi is a hassle, I have a size 4 body, size 5
sleeves and wear size 3 pants). . . . . . .

>B. Most martial arts, including Sanbo, many different flavors of Kung Fu/Wu
>Shu and Aikido, use weapons at advanced levels.

Sambo, use weapons? Sambo is by it's very natue a grappling art, it could
be the sambo russia uses to teach it's soldiers, but that is far from pure
sambo. I would agree that a lot of martial arts teach weapons, but the vast
majority don't, remember, in general martial arts where designed for people
to use against weapons, or for people who had their weapons taken away. . .
. .

>C. Size is both a benefit and a detriment. As the largest person in the

Salle

>I am keenly aware of this. My size gives me strength (see A above), and
>doesn't slow me down as much as you'd think, or give that much more target
>area. It also gives me superior reach and lunging distance.

>Oh, you're talking about OLYMPIC FENCING. I'll let you live. What I do, and
>what they do as a sport is as different as professional wrestling and Special
>Forces (which is what real life combat Sanbo is).

And yes, western fencing (with REAL swords, not little wussy unbent paper
clips), is very much a martial art . . . . . .

>Ah, but those are the _exceptions_, as a general rule, women are lighter,

more

>flexible, and more agile then their Y chromosome counterparts. Just like

that

>one weight lifter that Steve mentioned (who's name escapes me) who has a

six or

>seven strength. Most women will never have even a four strength, let alone a
>six. Neither will most men.
>
>Just playing devil's advocate (my second favorite game). Remember, as a
>general rule we _play_ the exceptions. In a highly anime style, dramatic

game

>you shouldn't have different rules for guys and the gals. If you're lucky
>enough to have girls in your group, then it will only cause them to feel
>slighted (and they'd be right to), even if you feel it adds to the realism.
>That went out of style with first edition AD&D.

I disagree to a point, I don;t think we play the exceptions, as much as we
play the upper range, the "best of the best" of what there is, and taking
that, men have a higher top end than women do, period. . . . .

>Personally, I think your problem is that you're tired of having your

characters

>getting beat up by a _girl!_

Not beaten up by a girl, there are NO GUYS in the whole campaign my
character interacts with that aren't bad guys. . . . . . . .His manager,
everyone around him, his student, the only person around him who isn't a
bad guy that's male is his Master, and he has shadowloo ties. . . . . . .

>> >Lucky guy. I can count the number of female gamers I personally know

on one

>> >hand.
>>
>> I agree, I think I have met maybe five in my entire life, I want to know
>> where HE'S gaming. . . . .
>
>Maybe we can car pool there or something.
>
>> >That jives with what I've seen IRL. I'd even bump your guess up to a 40
>> to 45 range.
>>
>> You think 40-45% of full contact fighters would be female?
>
>I don't think (whenever possible), I've seen. My karate sensei (back when I
>took karate) was female and my mom taught me a little Judo. Also, the

girls in

>the class outnumbered the guys. Of course, I might just live in the martial
>arts equivalent of Steve's RPG heaven.

I could see that to an extent, my last Judo sensei was a woman, but I used
to beat her in class all the time, she was GREAT techically, but physically
she couldn't hold up (my post concussion syndrome beats her sepreated
shoulder ;) ), women can be VERY good technically, but physically, in a
full contact environment, they just can't hold up to men. . . .

Interesting, I try not to spar with girls because I don't want to hurt
them. When I was teaching martial arts at camp and I sparred with the
students, I never kicked the girls in the head, nor did I ever choke them,
I guess I'm just a male chauvanist at heart. I used to like KILL my
instructor when I was taking judo because I used to use a lot of chokes and
such and I have really bony forearms, she would always come to the next
class with big bruises and such, but I can identify with you, when I was a
white belt, we had this brown belt that used to beat me up and down the
mat, I was a little stronger but her superior technique got me. Make no
mistakes, I know there are women out there who could beat me down, but then
again, you would never see me running off to join the street fighter
circuit. . . . . .

"Sambo, use weapons? Sambo is by it's very natue a grappling art, it could
be the sambo russia uses to teach it's soldiers, but that is far from pure
sambo. I would agree that a lot of martial arts teach weapons, but the vast
majority don't, remember, in general martial arts where designed for people
to use against weapons, or for people who had their weapons taken away. . .
. ."

I hate to say this, but this is probably one of the most ridiculous
statements I've seen.

EVERY martial style I am aware of teaches weapon forms at the higher level,
except western sporting styles such as boxing and kickboxing. In fact, for
Kung Fu and Karate especially (all you Karatekas can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I know this is true for Kung Fu) weapons and weapons techniques
are considered SUPERIOR to unarmed techniques, and that the teaching of a
weapon's full effectiveness can only come to someone who has already
mastered his own body. You must master yourself before you can master
another, as it were.

In addition, Combat Sambo makes use of weapons; if it's anything like its
western counterpart it teaches knife fighting. There are actually THREE
forms of Sambo; sport, defensive, and complete...

Well that was the thing, at first I was going really easy because I didnt
want to hurt her. Well after the second round and I still hadnt landed a
hit, I was getting pissed off. We were both the same level plus we were
friends so I knew there wouldnt be any hard feelings. She kept saying that
the only reason I had hit her at all was because she thought I was going
down and wasnt expecting a back fist. She had just landed a really solid
kick to my head, I spun around with it and got her with the backfist. I
loved those days. I had to stop taking martial arts because I couldnt afford
it anymore :(

MikeM

>From: brian fish <fishbn@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] OK, one LAST time. . . . . .
>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:59:29 -0400
>
>Interesting, I try not to spar with girls because I don't want to hurt
>them. When I was teaching martial arts at camp and I sparred with the
>students, I never kicked the girls in the head, nor did I ever choke them,
>I guess I'm just a male chauvanist at heart. I used to like KILL my
>instructor when I was taking judo because I used to use a lot of chokes and
>such and I have really bony forearms, she would always come to the next
>class with big bruises and such, but I can identify with you, when I was a
>white belt, we had this brown belt that used to beat me up and down the
>mat, I was a little stronger but her superior technique got me. Make no
>mistakes, I know there are women out there who could beat me down, but then
>again, you would never see me running off to join the street fighter
>circuit. . . . . .
>

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Then, of course, there's the classic line you're main
baddie says when the players are forced to hide from
him and he's searching for them:

"Come out, come out, where ever you are! I promise I
won't hurt you...much!"

--- Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...> wrote:

> --- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...>
> wrote:
> > I play many time and I remember many last words
> from the bad guys I�m curious
> > if someone
> > have a good one, just use the memory and remember
> the good moment. this words
> > are from
> > thugs and of course the boss. This could be fun
> see the other people campaing
> > words in
> > the list :).
>
> Cool Idea!
>
> 1. Hmmm. You're not bad. Want to join the winning
> team? We have a great
> dental plan. *after the players procede with the
> smackdown* Ouch, I'm glad I
> had that plan...Boss
>
> 2. I am Franz and he be Hanz and were here to f@ck
> *flexes* you up!...Mid Boss
>
> 3. Boss! I'm in big trouble here and I need...
> what? Yes I'll hold...Corrupt
> promoter
>
> 4. Ouch! You've been using codes! Cheater!...Thug
>
> 5. Hah! You have fallen in to my trap. Now I can
> anilate you with my
> ultimate plot device! Now where did I put
> that...Boss
>
> 6. Hah! Once again you have fallen in to my trap.
> Now I shall anilate you
> with my ultima...WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ULTIMATE
> PLOT DEVICE. Well, this
> just SUCKS!... Boss II Return of the Sequel
>
> 7. Hmmm, you are just one man. We should just beat
> the living crap out of
> you. Fortunately, we are enlightened thugs and know
> your kung fu is better
> than ours, so we shall run. *procede to run smack
> into a wall*...Thugs
>
> 8. Go away! I'm in my happy place!...Boss
>
> 9. Thank god it's not those damn turtles
> again!...Boss
>
> 10. Wait! What are you doing! You can't beat us
> up, we're just bankrobbers.
> Bison is going to conquer the world while you deal
> with small timers like us.
> How about you let us go, and we won't get in your
> way.
>
> I didn't think you'd go for it...Thugs
>
> As you can tell, my campaigns tend to run in the
> surreal.
>
> > 1- You must be kidding... (Smash)... No he isn�t
> it. Thug words.
> > 2- If have a few seconds...Boss words.
> > 3- Hey this isn�t fair how can you untie your
> ropes open the Metal door and
> > appear here
> > in my secret lab all this and just in few minutes.
> Boss words.
> > 4- Trust me. Thug words.
> > 5- No problem I solve it soon. Thug words.
> > 6- I�m invincible. Boss words.
> > 7- Oh s...(well people do this in the bathroom).
> Boss and Thug words.
> > 8- He is only a old guy. Thug words about any
> martial arts master.
> > 9- We are 3 he can�t beat us right guys? Guys? Hey
> where everybody go? Thug
> > words.
> > 10- Why I put a self destruction buttom in my
> secret vulcano base? Boss
> > words.
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>>Internal strength can almost always get around physical strength.

Yeah right. Speed mabye. Intelligence prehaps. Internal Strength? I never
seen a kid beat up the bully that takes his lunch money with "internal
strength".

>>Women are in high possesion of internal strength. It comes easier to them

because they
don't rely on muscles to do the job where men usually do. Women are born
with a higher internal strength than men we usually have to work harder at
it.

I don't see what you are talking about here. What exactly is this "interna;
strength" that women have more of? What are they doing that doesnt rely on
as many muscles?

>> About sizes of women, you cant really so that all women are built small

and of weaker statues. It depends on where you are from. In countries like
Germany and Sweden women there are of much bigger build and can kick the
bejezus out of some the sissy that one would refer to as strong.

I bet those women aren't so pretty. I'd probably call em' strange looking
men.

>> Also women take much more pain than us, which is a very important point

in a fight.

Most women I know don't take pain any better than I do.

>>Notice that we do not have the children.

I never even noticed. WOW!
I suppose this relates to the thing about having children being the worst
pain ever felt by humans. HOWEVER, in tests the most recorded pain levels
(as far as scientists can tell) seems to be from the passing of what is
called a "barbed" kidney stone from the average MALE.

>>There mental state also is a bit more focussed than men,

I TOTALY disagree here. Women are not nearly as focused on a task as men,
and their thoughts an emotions fluctuate wildly.

>> in fight a women would already be thinking about the

best way to get the job done, while we would be scoffing about the fact of
having to fight them. All in all men and women could kick each others butts,
its not about being a man or women its just about who is the better fighter
for whatever reason.

I agree. In the ROLE PLAY GAME, that women are great fighters, and make
interesting and cinematic characters. In the real world they are weaker (40%
less muscle per pound, even if they are large), and not nearly as
combat-minded or agressive as the normal male human.

"

>>Internal strength can almost always get around physical strength.

Yeah right. Speed mabye. Intelligence prehaps. Internal Strength? I never
seen a kid beat up the bully that takes his lunch money with "internal
strength".
"

Internal Strength must be trained. It takes quite some time. Refer to my
previous statement about my pudgy-as-iron Sifu. :)

"I suppose this relates to the thing about having children being the worst
pain ever felt by humans. HOWEVER, in tests the most recorded pain levels
(as far as scientists can tell) seems to be from the passing of what is
called a "barbed" kidney stone from the average MALE."

been there, done that, have nightmares about it. :p

Sounds like a crazy old cook to me. He healed someone without touching them?
How then do you know he healed her? How was this accomplished? Do you have
evidence that he cured her? I could claim to have healed someone to, but
you'd just have my word and nothing else. Would it make a diffrence if I
knew martial arts at a great level? Would it add more credibility to my
story?
I'd say (no offense meant here, beleive me) to make sure to seperate
reality form fantasy. Just my opinion. You asked!

Scott

>In the ROLE PLAY GAME, women are great fighters, and make interesting and cinematic characters. In the real world they are weaker (40% less muscle per pound, even if they are large), and not nearly as combat-minded or agressive as the normal male human.

One could argue that a woman's lower center of gravity could be of some advantage in a grappling situation. As for less muscle per pound, I'm a 190-pound male and I'm pretty sure Madonna could kick my ass. Anyone remember Zap from American Gladiators? That chick was a house! Or Chyna, for example...

I'm NOT saying all women are equal to men in a fight; I'd have to concur that STATISTICALLY women are wimps, but do real-world statistics have to apply to a game about modern-day gladiators? One word: Fireball


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From: Spirto <spirto@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: [streetfighter] OK, one LAST time. . . . . .

>All this debate over women vs men has lead me to tell you all a story. Its
>got nothing to do about the debate really, but I just wanted to share it
>with you. A few years back when I was still taking martial arts I hung
>around after class to get some sparring in. Well nobody my level stayed,
>except for a friend of mine, so I had to spar with her. The matches were
>four three minute rounds with 30 seconds inbetween. Well it was a
>slaughter! I got my ass kicked all over the ring! Yeah, I was a lot
>stronger than her, but my strength didnt mean jack, because I couldnt hit
>her! For every kick or punch I threw she threw three back, and almost all
>of them connected. I hit her once near the end of the second round with a
>spinning back fist and sent her sprawling, but that was the only time I
>managed to land a solid hit.
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I'm not saying that women are weak, just physically weaker ON THE AVERAGE
(in real life). Whitney Houston's bodyguard kicked the crap of of three male
attackers who tried to get past her to Whitney by FIGHTING their way to
her... and the bodyguard was a human (no relation to Whitney's movie, "the
bodyguard", except by coincidence).

joespitt

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From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Men VS Women

>
>>In the ROLE PLAY GAME, women are great fighters, and make interesting and

cinematic characters. In the real world they are weaker (40% less muscle per
pound, even if they are large), and not nearly as combat-minded or agressive
as the normal male human.

>
>One could argue that a woman's lower center of gravity could be of some

advantage in a grappling situation. As for less muscle per pound, I'm a
190-pound male and I'm pretty sure Madonna could kick my ass. Anyone
remember Zap from American Gladiators? That chick was a house! Or Chyna,
for example...

>
>I'm NOT saying all women are equal to men in a fight; I'd have to concur

that STATISTICALLY women are wimps, but do real-world statistics have to
apply to a game about modern-day gladiators? One word: Fireball

>
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Okay, here's what happened. I was there, and the girl who was helped was a
close friend of mine. Note, however, that I said "temporarily healed".
Even Du-Sifu said that what she had couldn't be cured, but could be abated
so it wasn't as bad.

First thing Du-Sifu did was massage her wrists, which are usually *very*
swollen (I've known this girl for a while, and she's very vocal about her
aches and pains. I think I know her body as well as she does. :p). After a
bit, her wrists, which she normally cannot bend at more than a 45-degree
angle, were able to be bent the full ninety degrees, and they didn't hurt at
all. Normally such motion in her wrists makes her cry out in pain. In
addition, the visible swelling on the back of her wrist was nowhere to be
seen. Next, he relieved the pain in her fingers by massaging pressure
points in her shoulder. The whole no-touch thing came next.

What Du-Sifu actually did was to massage her neck, and then place his other
hand over her lower back, about two to three inches away from the surface of
the skin. This is where she'd been injured in a car accident the month
before and suffered from a dislocated spine. Lisa did not know Du-Sifu had
his hand down there (sounds sick, hehehe), but after a few moments, she
remarked that her lower-back (near his hand) felt very warm. Soon after
that, she said she felt no pain. By the time the whole thing was over
(about twenty minutes to a half-hour), she was in tears, she was so amazed.

I don't proclaim Du-Sifu to be any kind of miracle curer, but here's some
interesting bits;

1) The above anecdote about Lisa and her arthritis.
2) He can read palms, and upon meeting my wife's friend Sherri for the first
time, looked at her palm for all of five minutes and then recommended that
she stop having an affair with the older, married man that she was living
with. (Entirely true; Sherri is living with a man who is twice her age and
left his wife to live with her).
3) I have had back pain for years due to a few twisted vertebrae. He's
giving me bone and massage therapy, and I'm pretty close to cured. Feel
better than I have in years.
4) I also have a bad cough, which no "regular" doctor has been able to
diagnose. Du-Sifu has been able to relieve that as well, simply by having
me swallow hard while applying pressure to points in my throat.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:44 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] The "last word" on Wu Shu and Kung Fu


Sounds like a crazy old cook to me. He healed someone without touching them?
How then do you know he healed her? How was this accomplished? Do you have
evidence that he cured her? I could claim to have healed someone to, but
you'd just have my word and nothing else. Would it make a diffrence if I
knew martial arts at a great level? Would it add more credibility to my
story?
I'd say (no offense meant here, beleive me) to make sure to seperate
reality form fantasy. Just my opinion. You asked!

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>>I'm not saying that women are weak, just physically weaker ON THE AVERAGE
>>(in real life). Whitney Houston's bodyguard kicked the crap of of three
>>male attackers who tried to get past her to Whitney by FIGHTING their way
>>to her... and the bodyguard was a >>human<<

As opposed to her bodyguard being a monkey? :)

MikeM

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phrases :) ... Anyways, always glad to see holmgang gaining favor. Viking
side of me, I guess. Repressed, but who isn't these days?

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On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Steve Karstensen wrote:

>
> In addition, Combat Sambo makes use of weapons; if it's anything like its
> western counterpart it teaches knife fighting. There are actually THREE
> forms of Sambo; sport, defensive, and complete...
>

Actually, I would guess that Combat Sambo also teaches the use of
sharpened shovels as weapons, similar to that which the spetznaz use.

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Geez I must have been out of it when I wrote that. Her bodyguard was a WOMAN
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From: Spirto <spirto@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Men VS Women

>>>I'm not saying that women are weak, just physically weaker ON THE AVERAGE
>>>(in real life). Whitney Houston's bodyguard kicked the crap of of three
>>>male attackers who tried to get past her to Whitney by FIGHTING their way
>>>to her... and the bodyguard was a >>human<<
>
>As opposed to her bodyguard being a monkey? :)
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Just had to get in on the fun ;)
Famous player last words...

*He can't have more than 5 dots in strength!
*He just shot me where?
*Hold on! I think I forgot to add some armor somewhere!
*Wait! I almost forgot that I REMEMBERED to grab my helmit back when we left
the hotel!
*I swear that I brought that helmit into the 5-star restaraunt!
*Oops!
*It's only -1 soak.
*(Storyteller)I think i'm going to need more dice.
*(Storyteller) I spent three hours rolling this guy up!
*(Storyteller) GM's perogotive

Famous Bad guy Last Words...
*Ok little man...<smack>
*It's time for you to DIE!...<thump>
*(player)I garrot his ass!
*(Storyteller)You hit him HOW hard?
*(Player)I think i'm going to need more dice.
*(Player) Yep...i need more dice.
*You can't possibly defeat my superior technique!
*(Storyteller) I spent five hours rolling this guy up!
*(Storyteller) NOBODY ONE ROUNDS MR. PANDA! (long story...well not really)

Jeff

>--- Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo.gambetta@...> wrote:
> > I play many time and I remember many last words from the bad guys I�m
>curious
> > if someone
> > have a good one, just use the memory and remember the good moment. this
>words
> > are from
> > thugs and of course the boss. This could be fun see the other people
>campaing
> > words in
> > the list :).
>
>Cool Idea!
>
>1. Hmmm. You're not bad. Want to join the winning team? We have a great
>dental plan. *after the players procede with the smackdown* Ouch, I'm
>glad I
>had that plan...Boss
>
>2. I am Franz and he be Hanz and were here to f@ck *flexes* you up!...Mid
>Boss
>
>3. Boss! I'm in big trouble here and I need... what? Yes I'll
>hold...Corrupt
>promoter
>
>4. Ouch! You've been using codes! Cheater!...Thug
>
>5. Hah! You have fallen in to my trap. Now I can anilate you with my
>ultimate plot device! Now where did I put that...Boss
>
>6. Hah! Once again you have fallen in to my trap. Now I shall anilate
>you
>with my ultima...WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH MY ULTIMATE PLOT DEVICE. Well,
>this
>just SUCKS!... Boss II Return of the Sequel
>
>7. Hmmm, you are just one man. We should just beat the living crap out of
>you. Fortunately, we are enlightened thugs and know your kung fu is better
>than ours, so we shall run. *procede to run smack into a wall*...Thugs
>
>8. Go away! I'm in my happy place!...Boss
>
>9. Thank god it's not those damn turtles again!...Boss
>
>10. Wait! What are you doing! You can't beat us up, we're just
>bankrobbers.
>Bison is going to conquer the world while you deal with small timers like
>us.
>How about you let us go, and we won't get in your way.
>
>I didn't think you'd go for it...Thugs
>
>As you can tell, my campaigns tend to run in the surreal.
>
> > 1- You must be kidding... (Smash)... No he isn�t it. Thug words.
> > 2- If have a few seconds...Boss words.
> > 3- Hey this isn�t fair how can you untie your ropes open the Metal door
>and
> > appear here
> > in my secret lab all this and just in few minutes. Boss words.
> > 4- Trust me. Thug words.
> > 5- No problem I solve it soon. Thug words.
> > 6- I�m invincible. Boss words.
> > 7- Oh s...(well people do this in the bathroom). Boss and Thug words.
> > 8- He is only a old guy. Thug words about any martial arts master.
> > 9- We are 3 he can�t beat us right guys? Guys? Hey where everybody go?
>Thug
> > words.
> > 10- Why I put a self destruction buttom in my secret vulcano base? Boss
> > words.
>
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Famous Last Words by Street Fighters (and other role play games):

Players:
Get em!
Whats that he's holding?
Why is he glowing?
Watch this.
Don't worry, we can't lose. the Storyteller doesn't kill anyone in Street
Fighter.
Hey Bison! Your momma is so fat...
He's mine.
No problem.
Trust me.

Storyteller:
Is your character religious?
How religious?
How many health did, er, do you have?
Let me see your character sheet for a second...
Where are you standing?
Wait till you guys see this Maneuver.
How quick do you think you guys can make up characters?
Do you know any good Block Maneuvers?

In a message dated 4/17/00 1:55:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
fishbn@... writes:

<< I would agree that a lot of martial arts teach weapons, but the vast
majority don't, remember, in general martial arts where designed for people
to use against weapons, or for people who had their weapons taken away. . .
. . >>

When Weapons are taken away, people find new weapons. Many Karate weapons
were originally farm tools.

Trust me, I have seen some old guys do astounding things. I have heard of
Aikido masters throwing chopsticks through things and the breaking trick
where only a certain brick breaks. . . . .I have seen too much to NOT
believe in some kind of internal force. . . . .

On that note, ever heard of George Dillman? he is THE pressure point
master, I've seen him knock people out dozens of ways in semenars using
pressure points alone. . . . .

>
>Okay, here's what happened. I was there, and the girl who was helped was a
>close friend of mine. Note, however, that I said "temporarily healed".
>Even Du-Sifu said that what she had couldn't be cured, but could be abated
>so it wasn't as bad.
>
>First thing Du-Sifu did was massage her wrists, which are usually *very*
>swollen (I've known this girl for a while, and she's very vocal about her
>aches and pains. I think I know her body as well as she does. :p). After a
>bit, her wrists, which she normally cannot bend at more than a 45-degree
>angle, were able to be bent the full ninety degrees, and they didn't hurt at
>all. Normally such motion in her wrists makes her cry out in pain. In
>addition, the visible swelling on the back of her wrist was nowhere to be
>seen. Next, he relieved the pain in her fingers by massaging pressure
>points in her shoulder. The whole no-touch thing came next.
>
>What Du-Sifu actually did was to massage her neck, and then place his other
>hand over her lower back, about two to three inches away from the surface of
>the skin. This is where she'd been injured in a car accident the month
>before and suffered from a dislocated spine. Lisa did not know Du-Sifu had
>his hand down there (sounds sick, hehehe), but after a few moments, she
>remarked that her lower-back (near his hand) felt very warm. Soon after
>that, she said she felt no pain. By the time the whole thing was over
>(about twenty minutes to a half-hour), she was in tears, she was so amazed.
>
>I don't proclaim Du-Sifu to be any kind of miracle curer, but here's some
>interesting bits;
>
>1) The above anecdote about Lisa and her arthritis.
>2) He can read palms, and upon meeting my wife's friend Sherri for the first
>time, looked at her palm for all of five minutes and then recommended that
>she stop having an affair with the older, married man that she was living
>with. (Entirely true; Sherri is living with a man who is twice her age and
>left his wife to live with her).
>3) I have had back pain for years due to a few twisted vertebrae. He's
>giving me bone and massage therapy, and I'm pretty close to cured. Feel
>better than I have in years.
>4) I also have a bad cough, which no "regular" doctor has been able to
>diagnose. Du-Sifu has been able to relieve that as well, simply by having
>me swallow hard while applying pressure to points in my throat.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:44 PM
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] The "last word" on Wu Shu and Kung Fu
>
>
>Sounds like a crazy old cook to me. He healed someone without touching them?
>How then do you know he healed her? How was this accomplished? Do you have
>evidence that he cured her? I could claim to have healed someone to, but
>you'd just have my word and nothing else. Would it make a diffrence if I
>knew martial arts at a great level? Would it add more credibility to my
>story?
> I'd say (no offense meant here, beleive me) to make sure to seperate
>reality form fantasy. Just my opinion. You asked!
>
>Scott
>
>
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Today, April 17th, is the birthday of the greatest SF villain (in my
opinion) and my idol Vega (M. Bison in U. S.). No one knows exactly
his age, or his identity, he controls the great power called Psycho
Power. With this he's almost invincible.

Happy birthday Lord Vega. We awaits for the day that you and Shadaloo
will finally control the planet.

Luiz Fernando (Vega/Bison's greatest fan)