"At first glance, it would appear that the only Abort Maneuvers are the
Basic Maneuver Block and the Special Maneuver Jump... However, Kick Defense
and Punch Defense are both described in the Special Maneuvers section of the
original book (on pages 115-116) as follows: "This operates as a standard
Block Maneuver, except that..." This STRONGLY suggests that Kick Defense
and Punch Defense can be used as Abort Maneuvers, since the System
description says that apart from the specific bonuses/penalties to your
Soak, these Maneuvers are identical to the basic Block, which is an Abort
Maneuver."

Si.

All Block Special Maneuvers count as Blocks. Blocks are Abort Maneuvers.
Therefore, Block Special Maneuvers are Abort Maneuvers.

"I have seen "House" rules that allow ANY Block Special Maneuver to be used
as an Abort Maneuver, but I feel this is unrealistic... If someone points a
gun at you and fires, can you Abort to Missile Reflection? Then again,
Fireballs are unrealistic, and THEY'RE perfectly legal..."

It's not a House rule per se, it's an interpretation of the standard rules
as spelled out above. I've been playing that way for years and it's yet to
cause any problems. Realism is not an option when you have Fireballs and
Whirlwind Kicks. ;)

"Anyway, I would suggest that Block, Jump, Kick Defense, and Punch Defense
should ALL be valid Abort Maneuvers, and that no other Maneuvers from the
original book should be given Abort Maneuver status. If an official
rulebook or a webpage contains a Maneuver that "operates like a standard
Block" (or Jump), it may be considered..."

Why not Missile/Energy Reflection or San He? If you can't defend yourself
at a moment's notice with a Block or Block Special Maneuver, what's the
point? Why should I bother to learn how to catch arrows if I have to be
standing facing the archer and know he's about to fire ahead of time? Ninja
never tell you they're about to put a shaft through your forehead.

"Furthermore, the rules state (on page 139) that "Basically, you can change
any other action into an Abort Maneuver at any point during the combat
turn." I choose to interpret this rule literally: AT ANY POINT DURING THE
COMBAT TURN, even if you have already performed another Maneuver, you can
spend 1 Willpower to Abort! The only exception, of course, is if you have
already spent Willpower during that turn..."

No. You can Abort at any time, but once you've acted, your turn is over.
Otherwise there'd be no point in *not* Aborting to a Block at the end of a
turn if you have a Block Combo. Besides, the word "abort" by its very
definition means "stop what you're doing". If you've already finished your
maneuver you can't abort that maneuver.

"And about Willpower expenditure... On page 106 it says: "If the fighter is
interrupted and cannot perform his special move (victim moves out of range,
fighter gets knocked down, etc.) he can always choose not to perform the
special move and save his Chi and Willpower. Only when the move is actually
performed does he have to spend that power's Chi and Willpower cost." It is
vague as to what constitutes "performing a move.""

Any maneuver that has movement as its effect constitutes performing a move,
in my eyes. You use a Rolling Attack, your Willpower is spent the second
you leave your hex. Ditto Scissor/Cartwheel Kick, Flying Heel Stomp, or any
of the other mobile Move-As-You-Attack maneuvers. Otherwise, I can use
Rolling Attack all day as an enhanced Move (+4 versus +3) at no penalty.

"I don't make characters spend Willpower until they actually complete their
Movement AND roll Damage, at which point they have officially "performed"
their Special Maneuver, regardless of whether or not the Damage roll is
successful."

What if I throw Dragon Punches into midair? No damage rolls involved.
Ditto Rolling Attack. Can I Rolling Attack all day long as long as I don't
hit someone with it? That doesn't lend well to the whole concept of
Maneuver costs.

"One more thing, which throws a monkey wrench in the works: On page 64, it
says "Only one Willpower point can be spent during a single turn." However,
some Special Maneuvers require 2 Willpower points! What's up with that???
Is there an Official Amendment for this rule? I've never really dealt with
it; nobody my chronicles has ever had a Maneuver with such a high cost..."

The One-Willpower-Point-Rule is usually only applied to spending Willpower
for automatic successes or extra damage dice.

"Gimme some feedback, folks!"

I'd rather kiss a wookie.

--- "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...> wrote:

>
> >One thing I think we should try to resolve is super rules. Do we want
> >them? If so which kind (game version)? All of them? Who's rules
> should
> >we use? All of them? etc.
>
> OK, for those who don't know, what exactly ARE super-rules, and what
> effects
> do they have to the game? Why are super-rules a good idea? Do they
> reflect
> an aspect of the video game? What pages have super-rules?

Okely Dokely, Super rules simulate the super attacks introduced in Super
SF II Turbo and expanded on in the Alpha, EX, and Vs. serieses. To a
certain extent, these rules already exist. Repeating Fireball and Psycho
Crusher are both supers in the Alpha series, although in slightly modified
forms.

Supers are useful in making the game more cinematic (yes, even more
cinematic) and even closer to it's anime and vidgame origens. I mean, how
much cooler is it to win a fight with a three hit fireball than with a one
hit jab punch?

On a related note there are also Alpha Counters and Super Combos, which
don't fit in with the regular super rules, but use super energy to power
them.

Most of these maneuvers do many hits (up to fifteen for a Raging Demon),
but little damage with each individual hit (can you say botches).

Pages with super rules:

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...Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:

>My idea about abort is you can abort only for defensive ways (Block, Jump, Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip and Esquives but why not abort to movement?
>Ex: A huge guy advance and try to grab my fighter he is slow and have speed 6 after a block in the other turn my fighter block too but he don4t want being caught in a sustained hold because that he see the huge guy move and interrupt his attack moving back, is a valid way?

Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip, and Esquives might make good Abort Maneuvers, but I wouldn't go so far as to make Move an Abort... For a fast Move, you could just have a Combo like Block to Move, which would make you faster than just about anything... If you see the huge guy Block, and you think he's going to go for a Grab Maneuver on the following turn, you can Abort to Block during the turn in which he Blocks, and get the super-fast Move on the next turn... he reaches for you, but you're long gone.

Also, Jump only costs 1 Power Point to learn... If you want to be able to Abort, spend the 4 Experience points and learn how to Jump. Keep in mind that ALL of the World Warriors can Jump (even Honda!)

>his strength and now people can laugh his strength is 2 and the stupid size and weight of my fighter don4t let he make what he want.
>He can4t throw me or better say he can4t take me out of ground a powerful maneuver like that stopped by weight, I laughed all day with this :)
>But I don4t know if is valid, I take the support because by the book strength 2 can work without problems using 100 lbs.

This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think the Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!

If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the situation, I disallow it. Also, I don't allow my players to learn Maneuvers I don't want in my campaign! Rules are great, but the fewer the better.


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"This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can
lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think the
Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!"

depends on the move. Rising Storm Crow is all about momentum and gravity,
not strength.

"If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the
situation, I disallow it. Also, I don't allow my players to learn Maneuvers
I don't want in my campaign! Rules are great, but the fewer the better."

I do likewise. If one of my players tries to lift the ED-209 (for a Throw,
or whatever) I up the difficulty of the damage roll and require at least
three successes for the secondary effect (Knockdown and distance, in the
Throw's case).

Azathoth05 wrote:

>I second the nomination for making punch defense and kick defense the only other official abort maneuvers.

Groovy.

>The rest of your ideas need further consideration as they could be potentially unbalancing. As far as performing a special move goes, I believe the accepted rule is to use common sense.
>Beast rolls, hurricane kicks, etc. cost points as soon as the maneuver begins, because the cost comes from the taxing physical demands on the body, not the actual attack.

I see where you're coming from... So, assuming you agree with my other Abort ideas (and you know what happens when you ASSUME) common sense would dictate that once you've initiated something like a Beast Roll and spent Willpower, you can't Abort, right? Well, what if I go for a Lightning Leg, and I get interrupted by a Suplex? Did I spend Willpower? Can I Abort to Jump to save my ass?

>The 1 willpower per turn has been previously addressed as being a limit on extra dice not

maneuver costs.

Okay. So could I go for a Jab, spend 1 Willpower to buy an automatic success, and then spend 1 Willpower to Abort to a Jump? Or can I Abort out of a Beast Roll like in the previous example?

Also, can Willpower be used to buy an EXTRA success, or is it an automatic success INSTEAD of a Damage roll? I almost never waste Willpower on automatic successes anyway, but I usually say that if you want an automatic success, you JUST get the one. If you want big damage, roll the friggin' dice!



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"I see where you're coming from... So, assuming you agree with my other
Abort ideas (and you know what happens when you ASSUME) common sense would
dictate that once you've initiated something like a Beast Roll and spent
Willpower, you can't Abort, right?"

Si.

"Well, what if I go for a Lightning Leg, and I get interrupted by a Suplex?
Did I spend Willpower? Can I Abort to Jump to save my ass?"

No, and yes.

You haven't actually *begun* the Lightning Leg when you get interrupted, so
you can change maneuvers and Jump away. If you've gone into a Rolling
Attack and have already launched yourself three hexes, then get interrupted,
not only have you spent the Willpower, but I play it that you can't abort.
I also never let people abort out of Aerial maneuvers unless they haven't
left their hex yet (IE, haven't left the ground).

>The 1 willpower per turn has been previously addressed as being a limit on

extra dice not
maneuver costs.

"Okay. So could I go for a Jab, spend 1 Willpower to buy an automatic
success, and then spend 1 Willpower to Abort to a Jump? Or can I Abort out
of a Beast Roll like in the previous example?"

No. You can't spend a point of Willpower on a dice roll you're not going to
make (damage roll for the jab). The one Willpower you spend will be for the
abort. Technically, at least by my reasoning, you can't abort out of a
Beast Roll.

"Also, can Willpower be used to buy an EXTRA success, or is it an automatic
success INSTEAD of a Damage roll? I almost never waste Willpower on
automatic successes anyway, but I usually say that if you want an automatic
success, you JUST get the one. If you want big damage, roll the friggin'
dice!"

Automatic Success on a non-combat die roll. One extra die on a damage roll.
Normally if you spend Willpower for Automatic Success, it's considered a
minimal (IE, one) success. In that case, you either spend or roll, not a
combination.

On the subject of "Supers", here's some trivia: Why did supers get put into
the games?

The most obvious reason is because Capcom wanted to make the game cooler,
but how did they justify this in the "in game" contex?

hehehee...I only found one location that explained the sudden appearance of
the Super Arts, and to be honest, with a little thought it justifies their
presence in the Alpha series, of 4 years prior.

> >
> > >One thing I think we should try to resolve is super rules. Do we want
> > >them? If so which kind (game version)? All of them? Who's rules
> > should
> > >we use? All of them? etc.
> >
> > OK, for those who don't know, what exactly ARE super-rules, and what
> > effects
> > do they have to the game? Why are super-rules a good idea? Do they
> > reflect
> > an aspect of the video game? What pages have super-rules?
>
> Okely Dokely, Super rules simulate the super attacks introduced in Super
> SF II Turbo and expanded on in the Alpha, EX, and Vs. serieses. To a
> certain extent, these rules already exist. Repeating Fireball and Psycho
> Crusher are both supers in the Alpha series, although in slightly modified
> forms.
>
> Supers are useful in making the game more cinematic (yes, even more
> cinematic) and even closer to it's anime and vidgame origens. I mean, how
> much cooler is it to win a fight with a three hit fireball than with a one
> hit jab punch?
>
> On a related note there are also Alpha Counters and Super Combos, which
> don't fit in with the regular super rules, but use super energy to power
> them.
>
> Most of these maneuvers do many hits (up to fifteen for a Raging Demon),
> but little damage with each individual hit (can you say botches).
>

yea, funny how the Alphas take place prior to the World Warrior tourney, and
the fighters have Supers in the Alphas and not in the WWT.

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy [mailto:dlatrex@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 2:43 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Offical Rules


On the subject of "Supers", here's some trivia: Why did supers get put into
the games?

The most obvious reason is because Capcom wanted to make the game cooler,
but how did they justify this in the "in game" contex?

hehehee...I only found one location that explained the sudden appearance of
the Super Arts, and to be honest, with a little thought it justifies their
presence in the Alpha series, of 4 years prior.

> >
> > >One thing I think we should try to resolve is super rules. Do we want
> > >them? If so which kind (game version)? All of them? Who's rules
> > should
> > >we use? All of them? etc.
> >
> > OK, for those who don't know, what exactly ARE super-rules, and what
> > effects
> > do they have to the game? Why are super-rules a good idea? Do they
> > reflect
> > an aspect of the video game? What pages have super-rules?
>
> Okely Dokely, Super rules simulate the super attacks introduced in Super
> SF II Turbo and expanded on in the Alpha, EX, and Vs. serieses. To a
> certain extent, these rules already exist. Repeating Fireball and Psycho
> Crusher are both supers in the Alpha series, although in slightly modified
> forms.
>
> Supers are useful in making the game more cinematic (yes, even more
> cinematic) and even closer to it's anime and vidgame origens. I mean, how
> much cooler is it to win a fight with a three hit fireball than with a one
> hit jab punch?
>
> On a related note there are also Alpha Counters and Super Combos, which
> don't fit in with the regular super rules, but use super energy to power
> them.
>
> Most of these maneuvers do many hits (up to fifteen for a Raging Demon),
> but little damage with each individual hit (can you say botches).
>

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...J. Scott Pittman wrote:

>I think that after movement, aborting to an Abort Maneuver is fine. However, if you have already COMPLETED movement and damage, the character's combat turn is over, therefore if you aborted it would not be DURING your character's combat turn, it would be AFTER it. Therefore, abort maneuvers would only be optional before or after the movement phase, but before damage rolls.

I hadn't thought of it that way... the description of Abort Maneuvers (p.139) says "...at any point during THE combat turn..." not YOUR combat turn. And THE combat turn isn't over until everyone has completed their maneuvers... so by that logic you could wait until the slowest guy in the fight is about to roll damage, then declare that you are Aborting to a Block (to set up a fast Combo maybe...) HOWEVER: although I feel that the rules back me up on this one, it's still JUST an interpretation (literal or not) and it could severely disrupt a balanced game. In my Chronicle, however, EVERYONE plays this way, so there's still balance... There needs to be more discussion, I think.

>>I don't make characters spend Willpower until they actually complete their Movement AND roll Damage, at which point they have officially "performed" their Special Maneuver, regardless of whether or not the Damage roll is successful.

However, Azathoth05 brought up a good point... Maneuvers such as Beast Roll give you a superhuman movement range. He suggests that if you use a Special Maneuver to move a greater number of hexes than your Athletics rating, you should have to spend the Willpower and/or Chi. He also stresses that common sense must prevail.

>Although there has never been a correction for this, or an explanation, I think the books make it pretty clear that the rule implies that a character can only spend one Willpower point other than what his Maneuver calls for in one combat turn.

I like this explanation better than any others I've heard... In other words, you can only spend Willpower once per turn, and only on one thing (ie, an automatic success, an Abort Maneuver, or Special Maneuver) Right? Good.

Azathoth05 said the 1-per-turn rule only applied to automatic successes... but that would mean I could go to town with Willpower expenditures!
Example: Say I start with a Flying Knee Thrust, which costs 1 Willpower; my opponent, who was going to simply Block, now Aborts to Kick Defense; so I spend ANOTHER Willpower for an automatic Damage success; then I spend ONE MORE Willpower to Abort to a Jump, landing several hexes away with not a scratch on me. Now all I have to do is not get hit for the rest of the match, and I win! Doesn't sound fair, does it?

Of course, my opponent could just challenge me to a No-Time-Limit match in a 2-hex-by-2-hex steel cage, and tear me to shreds! I freely admit I'm going to extremes here, but I think if we want to come up with mutually agreeable rules, we need to consider EVERY possibility, no matter how unlikely (or unfair)


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--- Andy <dlatrex@...> wrote:

>
> On the subject of "Supers", here's some trivia: Why did supers get put
> into
> the games?
>
> The most obvious reason is because Capcom wanted to make the game
> cooler,
> but how did they justify this in the "in game" contex?
>
> hehehee...I only found one location that explained the sudden appearance
> of
> the Super Arts, and to be honest, with a little thought it justifies
> their
> presence in the Alpha series, of 4 years prior.

Hmmmm, the only reason I can think of for the lack of super arts only
applies to Mr. Bison. In Rose's endings in either alpha 1 or two (can't
remember) she seals his power away at the cost of her life.

Of course this shouldn't affect Ken/Ryu/Cammy/etc.

Well don't kill us with suspence, give us the theory man!

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>>Hey scott.

Hey there!

>>I checked out your web page and I love it,

thanks!

>>but I have to say I still disagree with your blindfighting rules.

Its been listed multiple times in the books that when a character must react
in combat he uses wits not perception.

In total darkness, which is the case of blindness, I must agree that Wits
applies more than Perception. Any comments on this by anyone else?

>>I still also think its much easier for a story teller to simply assign

a difficulty to the level of darkness and the player try to roll to see if
he can succeed.

Agreed in out-of-tourament fighting (normal role-playing), but in tournament
fights, there seems to be a need for a rule that is fair and consistant, but
can differ from round to round so you can't just make up a character that
causes blindness and kick butt or lose all the time, or just have the victim
making rolls that seem kinda average. Like everything else about street
fighter, the element of suprise in the dice rolls keeps tournament fighting
exciting.

>>I also think characters should be allowed to jump to dodge most

projectiles.

No arguments here on that one, I never said diffrent. The Jump Maneuver is
designed for just that purpose.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 6:50 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting

>Hey scott.
>I checked out your web page and I love it,
>but I have to say I still disagree with your blindfighting rules.
>Its been listed multiple times in the books that when a character must

react

>in combat he uses wits not perception.
>I still also think its much easier for a story teller to simply assign
>a difficulty to the level of darkness and the player try to roll to see if
>he can succeed.
>I also think characters should be allowed to jump to dodge most

projectiles.

>
>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
>>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:46:56 -0800
>>
>>
>>Dogs Of War (Street Fighter site):
>>
>>http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm
>>
>>Have Fun!
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:17 PM
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
>>
>>
>> >Ok Ill need the address for dogs of war again.
>> >but I doubt Ill agree.
>> >mainly because this is in perfect vein with the system.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
>> >>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:44:56 -0800
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>This is a good system for the role-playing aspect of any Storyteller
>> >>system,
>> >>but for a Storyteller to have to set a difficulty for the action in a
>> >>tournament combat could be unfair unless the number is always
>>consistent.
>>I
>> >>think Rinaldo, Diemert and myself came up with a better system. It's on
>> >>Dogs
>> >>of War.
>> >>
>> >>J. Scott Pittman
>> >>
>> >>P.S. - I had not realised it had been so long since I started moving!
>>Whew!
>> >>The holidays combined in there also, and like a month has gone by since
>>i
>> >>updated Dogs of ar or even provided one turn of Dark Streets. Promise

to

>> >>get
>> >>back on tack soon - what can I say, the beginning of the year did us

all

>>in
>> >>for a bit I think, even Rinaldo, who has to be the typingist person on
>>this
>> >>mailing list!
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 11:55 PM
>> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Hey everyone. Sorry Ive been gone for so long but I had a long two
>>weeks
>> >>and
>> >> >wasnt able to resond.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyways a good friend of mine came down over the time and the subject
>>of
>> >> >blind fighting came up. I know we drilled this one into the ground
>> >> >and I dont think this was mentioned, bu heres a go at working the
>>blind
>> >> >fighting. When my friend mentioned it It was so simple
>> >> >I was shocked.
>> >> >
>> >> >The story teller assigns the difficulty to the player for his

hitting

>> >> >success. the player than makes a roll of perception + blindfighting
>> >> >Or wits + blindfighting
>> >> >and reduces the difficulty by the number of success he received.
>> >> >minimum difficulty of 6.
>> >> >Tada.
>> >> >So a person with more dots in blindfighting than 5 simply has better
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From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 3:36 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Adjust of counts: Johnny Invincible Vs Mr.Military.

>Johnny Invincible Style: Thai Kickboxing Country: USA Player: downfall
>
>Appearance: Johnny is in his mid 20's. He has an athletic, muscular
>build. His
>hair is short and bleached blonde- spiked up. He is wearing dark shades,
>a
>T-shirt, and blue jeans.
>As he suanters down to the arena there is a supermodel which he has
>around each
>arm. As he nears, they both help him take off his leather biker jacket.
>
>Quote before fight: *Grandoise music plays. An announcer is heard in the
>background* "Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages.
>Comming to you for one night and one night only- the grudge match you've
>all
>been waiting for! Team CLAW proudly brings to you Johnnyyyyyyyyy
>INVINCIBLE!
>>From Santa Cruz Califonia, he is 210 pounds of muscle and good looks

packed into

>one RAW package. He is the street fighter terror. He is the
>dirty uncle that will slap your ass until you call him daddy. Yes ladies
>and
>gents it is time to him to kick some ass and chew bubble gum and he
>is ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM. IS HE UNSTOPPABLE?!?!? IS HE UNBEATABLE?!?!?
>No, he is
>
>JOHNNYYYYYYYYYYYY INVINCIBLE!!!!"
>
> Vs
>
>Mr.Military style: Special Forces country: Usa player: J.Scot Pittman.
>
>Appearance: Mr. Military, an afirian-american, dresses in a marine full
>military
>dress
>uniform, and is very clean cut. However, he is almost always seen
>smoking a
>smelly cigar.
>His expression is always one of disgust or seriousness. Mr.Military
>stands 6 ft.
>exactly, with black, crew-cut hair, deep brown eyes. He bears a scar of
>unknown
>origin that runs from the top of the left side of his forehead all the
>way down
>the side of his face.
>
>Quote before fight: Mr. Military spits out an old cigar butt and narrows
>his
>eyes at his opponent.
>
>Arena: Some Hong Kong dark alley
>
>Fighters are 3 hexes from each other.
>
>Move 1- Mr.Military move 1hex to make a Foot Sweep for combo (dizzy) but
>hit
>nothing and Johnny Invincible don´t move and make a Double Hit Knee but
>hit
>air.
>Move 2- Johnny Invincible make a Foward Kick with Toughskin but hit air
>and
>Mr.Military make a Backflip Kick but hit nothign and retreat 2 hexes
>back..
>Move 3- Mr.Military block and Johnny Invincible move 3 hexes and reach
>Mr.Military hex.
>Move 4- Johnny Invincible try to make a Foot Sweep but use Toughskin and
>Mr.Military more faster hit a Foot Sweep for combo (dizzy) and Johnny
>Invincilble receives: 3 points of damage fall at ground (knockdown) and
>stun!!!
>He stand up in this turn but is dizzy.
>Move 5- Mr.Military don´t make Backflip kick and Make a Roundhouse kick
>and hit
>the dizzy Johnny Invincible receives: 5 points of damage.
>Move 6- Mr.Military block and Johnny Invincible make a Foward kick and
>Mr.Military receives: 4 points of damage.
>Move 7- Johnny Invincible try to make a Foward kick but Mr.Military is
>more
>faster with a Foot sweep for his combo (dizzy) and Johnny Invincible
>receives: 3
>points of damage and knockout.
>
>I can´t give exp points for this one because this remove my balance
>power in
>tournament.
>
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>>This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can

lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think the
Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man

I disagree. Street Fighter is very cinematic, and guys with little strength
still seem able to pull off incredible moves with nothing more than pure
skill. The damage won't be that much anyway. Besides, if you make a rule for
that, whats the weight-strength ratio to throw someone, knock them back a
hex, etc. Could cammy really knock E. Honda off his feet? Not likely. I say
keep the "strength needed" rules out of Street Fighter myself. If you want a
realistic system, try GURPS (which really is a GREAT system).

J. Scott Pittman
Game Designer, Writer, Artist
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:46 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Abort ways.

>...Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
>>My idea about abort is you can abort only for defensive ways (Block, Jump,

Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip and Esquives but why not abort to movement?

>>Ex: A huge guy advance and try to grab my fighter he is slow and have

speed 6 after a block in the other turn my fighter block too but he don4t
want being caught in a sustained hold because that he see the huge guy move
and interrupt his attack moving back, is a valid way?

>
>Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip, and Esquives might make good Abort

Maneuvers, but I wouldn't go so far as to make Move an Abort... For a fast
Move, you could just have a Combo like Block to Move, which would make you
faster than just about anything... If you see the huge guy Block, and you
think he's going to go for a Grab Maneuver on the following turn, you can
Abort to Block during the turn in which he Blocks, and get the super-fast
Move on the next turn... he reaches for you, but you're long gone.

>
>Also, Jump only costs 1 Power Point to learn... If you want to be able to

Abort, spend the 4 Experience points and learn how to Jump. Keep in mind
that ALL of the World Warriors can Jump (even Honda!)

>
>>his strength and now people can laugh his strength is 2 and the stupid

size and weight of my fighter don4t let he make what he want.

>>He can4t throw me or better say he can4t take me out of ground a powerful

maneuver like that stopped by weight, I laughed all day with this :)

>>But I don4t know if is valid, I take the support because by the book

strength 2 can work without problems using 100 lbs.

>
>This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can

lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think the
Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!

>
>If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the

situation, I disallow it. Also, I don't allow my players to learn Maneuvers
I don't want in my campaign! Rules are great, but the fewer the better.

>
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Old letter:

>I think that after movement, aborting to an Abort Maneuver is fine.

However, if you have already COMPLETED movement and damage, the character's
combat turn is over, therefore if you aborted it would not be DURING your
character's combat turn, it would be AFTER it. Therefore, abort maneuvers
would only be optional before or after the movement phase, but before damage
rolls.

Your Response:
I hadn't thought of it that way... the description of Abort Maneuvers
(p.139) says "...at any point during THE combat turn..." not YOUR combat
turn. And THE combat turn isn't over until everyone has completed their
maneuvers... so by that logic you could wait until the slowest guy in the
fight is about to roll damage, then declare that you are Aborting to a Block
(to set up a fast Combo maybe...) HOWEVER: although I feel that the rules
back me up on this one, it's still JUST an interpretation (literal or not)
and it could severely disrupt a balanced game. In my Chronicle, however,
EVERYONE plays this way, so there's still balance... There needs to be more
discussion, I think.

My New Response:
Sure, you could wait and interrupt, aborting to block to set up a fast
combo, but only if you had not preformed any Maneuvers yet.
Yes, the book does say during THE combat turn, but obviously we can't take
this literily. If that was the case, you could complete a Maneuver, and then
before your opponent makes his Maneuver Abort to another Maneuver
altogether. Street Fighters may be fast, but they can't preform two
Maneuvers at once!

Old Letter:

>>I don't make characters spend Willpower until they actually complete their

Movement AND roll Damage, at which point they have officially "performed"
their Special Maneuver, regardless of whether or not the Damage roll is
successful.

Your Response:
However, Azathoth05 brought up a good point... Maneuvers such as Beast Roll
give you a superhuman movement range. He suggests that if you use a Special
Maneuver to move a greater number of hexes than your Athletics rating, you
should have to spend the Willpower and/or Chi. He also stresses that common
sense must prevail.

My New Response:
My ruling is that Maneuver that give you a bonus to Movement, and that is
thier ONLY advantage (meaning no damage roll or ability that has already
been used, such as jumping over projectiles) cannot be aborted from once the
Maneuver has reached it's full effect (moving as far as it could have). In
this case, the fighter has not completed the Maneuver, and still has a few
precious milliseconds to change his mind and defend himself if he likes,
aborting to block if neccessary. He would also not have to spend the
Willpower or Chi required for the Maneuver. Of course, if the player
announces that his movement is completed, even if he has not moved the full
distnce, then he has completed the Maneuver as he had planned, and in this
case cannot abort to block and spend the full Willpower and Chi required.
In the case of Maneuvers that cause damage, my view of the rules remains the
same. If the fighter has not rolled damage as of yet, he is still in
mid-motion, and can change his mind on whether or not to abort the maneuver
and defend himself, and negates any Willpower/Chi cost.
Although I disagree in some cases of expenditures, someone mentioned paying
only part of the normal cost if part of the Maneuver has already taken
place. This deserves some discussion. Prehaps paying 1/2 poits? Willpower
and Chi could be divided into 1/2 point totals, and fighter would have to
pay "half a point" per each point they would have normally spent if they
abort a Maneuver that has already begun but not taken it's full effect as
mentiuoned above. Hmmmm... any comments on this? Sounds better the more I
read it!

Old letter:

>Although there has never been a correction for this, or an explanation, I

think the books make it pretty clear that the rule implies that a character
can only spend one Willpower point other than what his Maneuver calls for in
one combat turn.

Your Response:
I like this explanation better than any others I've heard... In other
words, you can only spend Willpower once per turn, and only on one thing
(ie, an automatic success, an Abort Maneuver, or Special Maneuver) Right?
Good.

My New response:
Wrong. You can spend any amount of Willpower and/or Chi as long as the
Maneuver you are preforming reqires it, plus one point of Willpower to abort
or gain an extra success (the later only in out-of-tournament fights).

Your response:
Azathoth05 said the 1-per-turn rule only applied to automatic successes...
but that would mean I could go to town with Willpower expenditures!
Example: Say I start with a Flying Knee Thrust, which costs 1 Willpower; my
opponent, who was going to simply Block, now Aborts to Kick Defense; so I
spend ANOTHER Willpower for an automatic Damage success; then I spend ONE
MORE Willpower to Abort to a Jump, landing several hexes away with not a
scratch on me. Now all I have to do is not get hit for the rest of the
match, and I win! Doesn't sound fair, does it?

My response:
During matches, you cannot spend Willpower points for automatic successes.
As a matter of fact, a rules lawyer will not allow ANY expenditures of
Willpower to affect combat results in or out of tournaments (see Automatic
Successes, pg. 33, Street Fighter: The Storytelling Game). The "automatic
damage success" is NOT supposed to happen in Street Fighter as it does in
other Storyteller games.

Your response:
Of course, my opponent could just challenge me to a No-Time-Limit match in a
2-hex-by-2-hex steel cage, and tear me to shreds! I freely admit I'm going
to extremes here, but I think if we want to come up with mutually agreeable
rules, we need to consider EVERY possibility, no matter how unlikely (or
unfair)

My New response:
Most fighters that rely on Grabs could do the same thing to most fighters
that rely on speed and agility. A large ring can be the downfall of most
large, slow fighters. I make sure the ring changes size alot in my games.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 12:43 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Offical Rules [can'o'worms]

>...J. Scott Pittman wrote:
>
>>I think that after movement, aborting to an Abort Maneuver is fine.

However, if you have already COMPLETED movement and damage, the character's
combat turn is over, therefore if you aborted it would not be DURING your
character's combat turn, it would be AFTER it. Therefore, abort maneuvers
would only be optional before or after the movement phase, but before damage
rolls.

>
>I hadn't thought of it that way... the description of Abort Maneuvers

(p.139) says "...at any point during THE combat turn..." not YOUR combat
turn. And THE combat turn isn't over until everyone has completed their
maneuvers... so by that logic you could wait until the slowest guy in the
fight is about to roll damage, then declare that you are Aborting to a Block
(to set up a fast Combo maybe...) HOWEVER: although I feel that the rules
back me up on this one, it's still JUST an interpretation (literal or not)
and it could severely disrupt a balanced game. In my Chronicle, however,
EVERYONE plays this way, so there's still balance... There needs to be more
discussion, I think.

>
>>>I don't make characters spend Willpower until they actually complete

their Movement AND roll Damage, at which point they have officially
"performed" their Special Maneuver, regardless of whether or not the Damage
roll is successful.

>
>However, Azathoth05 brought up a good point... Maneuvers such as Beast

Roll give you a superhuman movement range. He suggests that if you use a
Special Maneuver to move a greater number of hexes than your Athletics
rating, you should have to spend the Willpower and/or Chi. He also stresses
that common sense must prevail.

>
>>Although there has never been a correction for this, or an explanation, I

think the books make it pretty clear that the rule implies that a character
can only spend one Willpower point other than what his Maneuver calls for in
one combat turn.

>
>I like this explanation better than any others I've heard... In other

words, you can only spend Willpower once per turn, and only on one thing
(ie, an automatic success, an Abort Maneuver, or Special Maneuver) Right?
Good.

>
>Azathoth05 said the 1-per-turn rule only applied to automatic successes...

but that would mean I could go to town with Willpower expenditures!

>Example: Say I start with a Flying Knee Thrust, which costs 1 Willpower; my

opponent, who was going to simply Block, now Aborts to Kick Defense; so I
spend ANOTHER Willpower for an automatic Damage success; then I spend ONE
MORE Willpower to Abort to a Jump, landing several hexes away with not a
scratch on me. Now all I have to do is not get hit for the rest of the
match, and I win! Doesn't sound fair, does it?

>
>Of course, my opponent could just challenge me to a No-Time-Limit match in

a 2-hex-by-2-hex steel cage, and tear me to shreds! I freely admit I'm
going to extremes here, but I think if we want to come up with mutually
agreeable rules, we need to consider EVERY possibility, no matter how
unlikely (or unfair)

>
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The following rules have been nominated to become Offical Street Fighter Mailing List Rules. The nomination that wins will proceed to further discussion and a new vote on which version of that rule should become offical. The runners up will remain and appear on future nomination votes. The Poll will continue until either everyone has voted (please vote) or one week has passed (sorry for the 7 day wait, but everyone deserves to have time to see the poll and vote). Polling will end Febuary 15, at 5 my time (or sooner if everyone votes). - Scott
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-----Original Message-----
From: ArkonDLoC@... <ArkonDLoC@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 07, 2036 1:32 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Dark Streets, Chapter 3, turn 1

>
>In a message dated 2/3/2000 1:40:04 PM, joespitt@... writes:
>
><< Sabrina had just slid into the room. She wondered if the robots

noticed

>
>her as well, but she was hidden near the fallen guard, and they might not
>
>sense her as seperate from him. >>
>
>This matchstick won't do anything against those machines, Sabrina thought

as

>she slid the baton into her belt. Fortunaty Sabrina had something for
>emergencies. She coldly drew her gun.
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In a message dated 2/8/00 4:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
twitchboy@... writes:

Only problem is that you can't abort to the jump since you've already
completed your attack and your turn is over. So once that Flying Knee Thrust
hits you're done. And apparently the 1 willpower is an extra die in combat I
guess I just went off the top of my head to be honest I don't use that
rule-Street Fighters recover Willpower too easily to allow automatic
successes any time they want. Also I agree that you can't abort to a block or
jump in midair and unless your opponent is really slow he'd wait until you
left your hex to abort to a kick defense.

<< Example: Say I start with a Flying Knee Thrust, which costs 1 Willpower;
my opponent, who was going to simply Block, now Aborts to Kick Defense; so I
spend ANOTHER Willpower for an automatic Damage success; then I spend ONE
MORE Willpower to Abort to a Jump, landing several hexes away with not a
scratch on me. Now all I have to do is not get hit for the rest of the
match, and I win! Doesn't sound fair, does it? >>

Former letter stated:

>>>Only problem is that you can't abort to the jump since you've already
>completed your attack and your turn is over. So once that Flying Knee

Thrust

>hits you're done.

I agree with this.

And apparently the 1 willpower is an extra die in combat I

>guess I just went off the top of my head to be honest I don't use that
>rule-Street Fighters recover Willpower too easily to allow automatic
>successes any time they want.

No, the willpower point cannot be used for combat purposes.

>>Also I agree that you can't abort to a block or
>jump in midair and unless your opponent is really slow he'd wait until you
>left your hex to abort to a kick defense.

this sounds logical at first, but I do not agree with it. If you used a
combat maneuver that allowed you to perform an aerial stunt, then you could
end that, falling to the ground and bouncing away with a jump, so long as
your Jump still had a higher Speed than your opponent. Perhaps a good rule
would be to apply a -2 Speed modifier to an aerial maneuver that is used as
an Abort if the Maneuver previous to the Abort was an Aerial Maneuver.
As for blocking, why couldn't you block in the air? Fighters could block
with their arms or legs even if airborne, aborting to Block.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Azathoth05@... <Azathoth05@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 4:37 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Offical Rules [can'o'worms]

>In a message dated 2/8/00 4:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>twitchboy@... writes:
>
>Only problem is that you can't abort to the jump since you've already
>completed your attack and your turn is over. So once that Flying Knee

Thrust

>hits you're done. And apparently the 1 willpower is an extra die in combat

I

>guess I just went off the top of my head to be honest I don't use that
>rule-Street Fighters recover Willpower too easily to allow automatic
>successes any time they want. Also I agree that you can't abort to a block

or

>jump in midair and unless your opponent is really slow he'd wait until you
>left your hex to abort to a kick defense.
>
><< Example: Say I start with a Flying Knee Thrust, which costs 1 Willpower;
>my opponent, who was going to simply Block, now Aborts to Kick Defense; so

I

>spend ANOTHER Willpower for an automatic Damage success; then I spend ONE
>MORE Willpower to Abort to a Jump, landing several hexes away with not a
>scratch on me. Now all I have to do is not get hit for the rest of the
>match, and I win! Doesn't sound fair, does it? >>
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To Yu Ominae:
Do you have the Street fighter rulebook?

-----Original Message-----
From: Yu Ominae <yuominae@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 5:48 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Dark Streets, Chapter 3, turn 1

>Sure I'll Send my character,But at the risk of sounding kinda silly what
>freebie points, I'm new to this. Sorry
>
>
>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Dark Streets, Chapter 3, turn 1
>>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800
>>
>>sure thing, just send in a character, make sure to tell me how you used
>>your
>>freebie points
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Yu Ominae <yuominae@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2036 11:13 PM
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Dark Streets, Chapter 3, turn 1
>>
>>
>> >Can I get into this?
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Dark Streets, Chapter 3, turn 1
>> >>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:13:04 -0800
>> >>
>> >>Dark Streets, Chapter Three, turn 1
>> >>
>> >>Eric looks at the others, then to the crow on his shoulder, then up

into

>> >>the
>> >>sky. "I have tasted death once. Its not that good. I suggest we go in
>> >>through
>> >>the back. If you all decide differently, I'll go with you."
>> >>again, I send my crow on ahead, just a bit, and slowly follow it
>> >>
>> >>Sago picks up the radio and answers in a tired, scratchy voice, "Yeah,
>>uh,
>> >>nothing new to report. Um... I may have to leave early, I, uh, I think
>> >>I'm coming down with something."
>> >>
>> >>Sammi quickly stifled a giggle when Sago answered.
>> >>"Yeah," she whispered, "a case of 'Boot to the Head'
>> >>syndrome." She waited until Sago put the radio back
>> >>down and looked at him. "Look, I'm sorry for turning
>> >>'dictator' back there on the roof, but these kids are
>> >>in trouble, and we're the only ones who can help. It
>> >>seemed like we were just going to stand there arguing
>> >>all night on how to get in. I had to do something."
>> >>Sammi began rubbing her left arm, then reached down
>> >>and searched the guard.
>> >>OOC: You said in the description that the guard had
>> >>half a pack of smokes. Sammi's gonna look for that,
>> >>and a lighter or pack of matches. Might come in handy
>> >>inside. She's also gonna snag the goggles, if they're
>> >>still intact. (I've gotta hunch...)
>> >>I snagged 'em in case they're polarized,
>> >>or IR or something. Scott, Sammi does try on the
>> >>goggles to see if her view of the world is
>> >>'different'; if not, she tosses them.
>> >>
>> >>As she approached the old warehouse, she noticed some commotion, a

quick

>> >>fight and then some people trying to get into the place. They sure
>>didn't
>> >>look like the police, but the more important thing was they didn't look
>> >>like
>> >>friends of Shark.
>> >>------- >>
>> >>IC: Sabrina's grib on the baton tightened. It was tempting to think
>>that
>> >>this would be like the old days, but the cold cut shattered her
>>temptation.
>> >>The old days were gone, and there was no hope of anything but revenge
>>now.
>> >>She moved, darting from one shadow to another while watching for any
>>other
>> >>guards. The civilians may be against her enemy, but she didn't have to
>> >>show
>> >>herself. Not until she knew more about them. His games start to to

die

>> >>here, with Shark.
>> >>"Winter's coming B******." The threat was almost loud enough to be a
>> >>whisper.
>> >>OOC: Sabrina will sneak to the warehouse while watching for guards.
>> >>____________________
>> >>
>> >> The walkie talkie hissed more static for a few seconds. "OK, man, if
>>you
>> >>need to. Hope you start feeling better. I'll cover for you tonight, but
>> >>you've got to take my shift Saturday."
>> >>"OK", Sago replied, trying his best to copy the same voice he used, and
>> >>thankful for the static on the line.
>> >> Sammi tried on the goggles. They looked normal, like a pair of large
>> >>sunglasses, but when placing them across her eyes, she could tell that
>>they
>> >>were some type of special electronic equipment. Tiny messages flashed

in

>> >>the
>> >>upper left of them, and as she looked at things, they seemed to be
>>scanned
>> >>as if connected to a computer. Readouts of the objects appeared,
>>describing
>> >>them in some detail. Looking at a nearby trashcan gave the readout:
>> >>
>> >>METAL CONTAINER; CONTENTS UNKNOWN
>> >>
>> >>looking again at Sago, the readout printed in bright letters:
>> >>
>> >>UNKNOWN HUMAN MALE; GIVE WARNING OR DETAIN
>> >>
>> >> Sammi also noticed at the bottom of the glasses were smaller
>>lettering
>> >>that stated LIGHT SOURCE NORMAL. She decided to keep the goggles.
>> >> Ryuu looked at Sago and Sammi, very interested in what was going on.
>>His
>> >>attention then went to Eric, who looked to be doing something of
>>interest.
>> >> Eric stretched out his arm, letting the crow that rested there fly.
>>Then
>> >>as Sago placed his card into the pass slot on the door, the bird

quickly

>> >>flew into the room beyond.
>> >> A few seconds passed, and the bird returned and chirped a few sounds
>>to
>> >>Eric. "The interior is empoty except for two "silver men", whispered
>>Eric.
>> >> "Silver men? What the heck does that mean?" asked Sammi.
>> >> Eric shrugged, looking at Sago, who looked back at Eric with the
>>exact
>> >>same glace of unknowing.
>> >> "One way to find out, said Sago, and he slipped into the door as
>>quietly
>> >>as possible.
>> >>-------
>> >> Once inside, Eric could see that this was some sort of storage room,
>> >>with
>> >>lots of boxes and equipment that might be found in a mad scientist's
>>lab,
>> >>Bottles of strage-colored liquid, tubes running all over the place, and
>> >>wires with little streams of electricity running between them. On one
>>shelf
>> >>he noticed two book ends with tiny metal men as the carvings that held
>>each
>> >>side.
>> >> "Just some book ends. Come on in." Sago said with releif.
>> >> The rest of the team entered, Eric first, then Ryuu, then Sammi, who
>>was
>> >>dragging the unconcious guard behind her. She dropped him on the floor
>> >>behind some boxes.
>> >> Sago started down the hallway that led to Shark, he thought.
>>Suddenly,
>> >>however, he felt a terrible pain sweep across his back, as something
>> >>knocked
>> >>him to the floor.
>> >> Sammi saw the laser strike into Sago, knocking his off his feet. She
>> >>diddn't know how badly he was hurt. Looking in the direction of where
>>the
>> >>blast came from, she saw a gigantic robot stepping from some of the
>> >>machinery on the wall. The robot was perfectly camoflauged within. It
>>had
>> >>been standing there all along, almost impossible to see. It was filled
>>with
>> >>flashing lights, and made an odd WHIRR sound as it moved. It's feet

made

>>a
>> >>rather deep CLOMP sound as it stepped foward, it's head shifting back
>>and
>> >>fourth to see the other people in the room.
>> >> "You are unauthorized in this area." it said in a hollow, electronic
>> >>voice. "Drop your weapons and surrender so that you may be detained for
>> >>questioning."
>> >> OK, Sammi thought. One giant robot and Eric and her left (and Ryuu,
>>who
>> >>she would have to look out for, he was just a kid). They might be able
>>to
>> >>take this thing, but it would be loud....
>> >> Eric stood silently, thinking of what to do next. The thing was big,
>> >>really big. But just mabye...
>> >> Then the second robot appeared.
>> >>-------
>> >> Sabrina had just slid into the room. She wondered if the robots
>>noticed
>> >>her as well, but she was hidden near the fallen guard, and they might
>>not
>> >>sense her as seperate from him.
>> >>-------
>> >> The world was a blurr as the gooey liquid drained from around him.
>>But
>> >>who
>> >>was he? He appeared to be surrounded by all kinds of machinery, with
>> >>strange
>> >>wires connected to his chest and head with tiny bits of surgical tape.
>>The
>> >>wires were not connected to him, but prehaps detecting his heartbeat,
>> >>pulse,
>> >>etc.
>> >> "Where am I?" He asked.
>> >> "You are in my lab. I have awakened you." The pleasent man said. He
>> >>stood
>> >>before the awakened man, very nicely dressed, but with a scientists

garb

>> >>on,
>> >>or prehaps it was the gown of a doctor.
>> >> "Who are you?"
>> >> "My name is Donavan Sharke, but my friends call me Shark." The
>> >>scientist/doctor replied. "I am most pleased to see you are doing well.
>>You
>> >>may feel a bit weak, it's kind of normal, I should think. Not that

there

>>is
>> >>anything to compare to."
>> >> "Who am I?"
>> >> "Oh, yes, of course, heh, excuse me. You may call yourself Jean

Paul,

>>a
>> >>victorian fellow. Here, get dressed." Shark passed Jean Paul his
>>clothes,
>> >>some cigars and matches, a wallet with some money, a heavy-weighted
>>cane,
>>a
>> >>hat, a gold ring, a watch, and a pocket sized bible.
>> >> "I bet you're full of questions, eh? What you're doing here, where
>>you
>> >>came from, all of that. Not to worry, my friend, you are safe and I

have

>> >>all
>> >>of your answers."
>> >> Jean looked around. There were more containers like the one he had
>>come
>> >>from, filled with a clear liquid, and containing what appeared to be
>> >>children.
>> >> "Who are those children, and why are they in these tanks!?" Jean

knew

>> >>something was wrong here, very wrong.
>> >> "Please, don't be alarmed, my friend, they are simply -"
>> >> There was a buzzing noise from Shark's communicator, and he quickly
>> >>answered it. "What is it?"
>> >> "Miriganka 12 here sir. Intruder in storage room 4, awaiting further
>> >>orders."
>> >>---------
>> >>Storyteller to players:
>> >> This turn ends chapter two. The following exp awards apply:
>> >> 1 point: automatic
>> >> 1 point: consistancy
>> >>
>> >>Honor awards:
>> >> 1 point of temporary Honor to Sago for being harmed while protecting
>>an
>> >>innocent
>> >>
>> >>Special Notes:
>> >> Sago has taken 1 Health level of damage from a glacing laser strike
>>to
>> >>his
>> >>back. He is getting off the floor, and is concidered Knocked Down for
>> >>purposes of his next action.
>> >>
>> >>J. Scott Pittman
>> >>
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The problem I find with aborting to a block from an aerial maneuver is all a
matter of timing. If I'm in mid-air in a hex right next to an opponent when
he interrupts with a power uppercut or a dragon punch, I may get the extra
soak from aborting to a block but I'm sure as hell gonna suffer a knockdown,
which most blocks prevent. That's the most logical way I can see it
happening, because even though you're using your arms and legs to defend
yourself, you aren't firmly planted on the ground as with a normal block.
Also, keep in mind that the system is supposed to resemble the video game,
and until Alpha you could never block in the air. I feel Blocking from the
air should possibly be an advanced maneuver, maybe like below.

Air Block
Cost: Any: 3
Prerequisites: Block 4, Athletics 3, Jump
Air Block can only be played as an abort maneuver after an aerial maneuver.
Air Block costs 1 Willpower(for the abort) and works as a normal block,
except that knockdown is translated into knockback. Maneuvers that would
normally knock down an aerial opponent instead push the blocking character
back 1 hex for each level of damage he takes greater than his stamina,
minimum 1. (this keeps it very close to the feel of the video game).

Anyway, that was just an idea off the top of my head.

Well, according to the much-less-that-satifactoraly-official-information
that I have writen in a GAMETEK (!) instruction booklet for Super Street
Fighter 2 Turbo (The first game to sport 'supers') it say that the world
warriors were FORCED to learn the new techniques.

The reason they had to was for survival; in order to combat Akuma. In every
game the Akuma has been in, so have Supers, and never before akuma were they
seen. This makes sense, if you want to go back to the alpha Series and
re-write some history. If we reason that Akuma first poked his head around
the circut back during the Alpha tourni, then it's safe to say that that is
when the characters could start teaching themselves Super Arts. If you
remeber, when akuma first showed up, he was the only one in the game NOT to
have any super. As for why supers aren't present in the first SF2 games,
that's simple; capcom made the games <and story> out of order.
=P

> --- Andy <dlatrex@...> wrote:
> >
> > On the subject of "Supers", here's some trivia: Why did supers get put
> > into
> > the games?
> >
> > The most obvious reason is because Capcom wanted to make the game
> > cooler,
> > but how did they justify this in the "in game" contex?
> >
> > hehehee...I only found one location that explained the sudden appearance
> > of
> > the Super Arts, and to be honest, with a little thought it justifies
> > their
> > presence in the Alpha series, of 4 years prior.
>
> Hmmmm, the only reason I can think of for the lack of super arts only
> applies to Mr. Bison. In Rose's endings in either alpha 1 or two (can't
> remember) she seals his power away at the cost of her life.
>
> Of course this shouldn't affect Ken/Ryu/Cammy/etc.
>
> Well don't kill us with suspence, give us the theory man!
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Agreed.
Besides, most things that require any amount of strenght <Grabs> in hefting
opponents, is going to be purchased by a wrestler with loads o' muscels
anyway. Most grabs that slimmer styles get (such as Kung fu) have tosses
that are based on leverage and momentum. And heck, at least ONE maneuver
<face plam> has a Strenght Prerequisit anyway.
=P

Against truly enourmous characters, that are approaching the 0.5-1.0 ton
mark, I use the rules that have for the mutant bull Diablo.
You have to roll strenght against them before you can even ATTEMPT a grab,
and to knock them back you have to equal thier stammina (good luck).
So why dont' my players make characters that are 16' tall and wiegh1 ton?
Because then they couldn't move more than 1 hex per turn, and never will
have more than a 1 or 2 in Dex.
My Rules.
Mu-hahahahahahahah!

> >>This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you

can

> lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think

the

> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man
>
> I disagree. Street Fighter is very cinematic, and guys with little

strength

> still seem able to pull off incredible moves with nothing more than pure
> skill. The damage won't be that much anyway. Besides, if you make a rule

for

> that, whats the weight-strength ratio to throw someone, knock them back a
> hex, etc. Could cammy really knock E. Honda off his feet? Not likely. I

say

> keep the "strength needed" rules out of Street Fighter myself. If you want

a

> realistic system, try GURPS (which really is a GREAT system).
>
> J. Scott Pittman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Abort ways.
>
>
> >...Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
> >>My idea about abort is you can abort only for defensive ways (Block,

Jump,

> Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip and Esquives but why not abort to movement?
> >>Ex: A huge guy advance and try to grab my fighter he is slow and have
> speed 6 after a block in the other turn my fighter block too but he don4t
> want being caught in a sustained hold because that he see the huge guy

move

> and interrupt his attack moving back, is a valid way?
> >
> >Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip, and Esquives might make good Abort
> Maneuvers, but I wouldn't go so far as to make Move an Abort... For a fast
> Move, you could just have a Combo like Block to Move, which would make you
> faster than just about anything... If you see the huge guy Block, and you
> think he's going to go for a Grab Maneuver on the following turn, you can
> Abort to Block during the turn in which he Blocks, and get the super-fast
> Move on the next turn... he reaches for you, but you're long gone.
> >
> >Also, Jump only costs 1 Power Point to learn... If you want to be able to
> Abort, spend the 4 Experience points and learn how to Jump. Keep in mind
> that ALL of the World Warriors can Jump (even Honda!)
> >
> >>his strength and now people can laugh his strength is 2 and the stupid
> size and weight of my fighter don4t let he make what he want.
> >>He can4t throw me or better say he can4t take me out of ground a

powerful

> maneuver like that stopped by weight, I laughed all day with this :)
> >>But I don4t know if is valid, I take the support because by the book
> strength 2 can work without problems using 100 lbs.
> >
> >This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can
> lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think

the

> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!
> >
> >If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the
> situation, I disallow it. Also, I don't allow my players to learn

Maneuvers

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And the blind goes on...I concur with you in that Wits is the Att. that
should be used especially in combat situations.
However in my eyes there are two types of blindness: Prepetual and
Temporary.

These are two type of blind fighting that should be treated differently in
my opinion.
Prepetual: A slight exaguration. What this means is that the surrounding in
which the events are going on are poorly lit. Examples: In the woods at
night, or in a warehouse with the lights off. Under these circumstances
<usualy> the fighters can expect to be 'blinded' in each turn, and should
not be shocked with it each time.
The system of increased difficulty from 6-to-10-to-unable to act, sounds
fine to me. However, if you succed on a roll <let's
say...wits+Blindfighting> then I say that you should be un-encumbered for
the # of turns equal to your successes. This term might need modification
(maybe turns equal #successes after lowering the Difficulty back down to 6).

Temporary: the only instances where I can think of this rule coming into
play, are either Blind, Eye Rake, or some other maneuver that causes short
term blindness.
It seems to me that it should be more difficult to function in this type of
blindness for three reasons:
1. The fighter wasn't "excpecting" this, as just moments before he had full
vision.
2. If it is one of THOSE maneuvers then they roll for little to no damadge
and are DESIGNED to be a cheap shot-blind.
3. This type of blindness it temporary.

IMO, since someone could have a BF talent from 0-8 (not 5 as most think)
then all that should be rolled is the Blind Fighting rating. 3 successes
<not hard from my players to make usually> results in unhindered action. 2
Successes puts it at difficulty 7. And one success makes it difficulty 8. If
you don't get any, of course, you're treated like a dizzied opponent.
In my games, the characters can take a pot-shot with a projectile if they
wish, by rolling a D-6, down a stright hex line.

This all of course is just my take on the matter.
All feed-back is welcomed.

>
> Hey there!
>
> >>I checked out your web page and I love it,
> thanks!
>
> >>but I have to say I still disagree with your blindfighting rules.
> Its been listed multiple times in the books that when a character must

react

> in combat he uses wits not perception.
>
> In total darkness, which is the case of blindness, I must agree that Wits
> applies more than Perception. Any comments on this by anyone else?
>
> >>I still also think its much easier for a story teller to simply assign
> a difficulty to the level of darkness and the player try to roll to see if
> he can succeed.
>
> Agreed in out-of-tourament fighting (normal role-playing), but in

tournament

> fights, there seems to be a need for a rule that is fair and consistant,

but

> can differ from round to round so you can't just make up a character that
> causes blindness and kick butt or lose all the time, or just have the

victim

> making rolls that seem kinda average. Like everything else about street
> fighter, the element of suprise in the dice rolls keeps tournament

fighting

> exciting.
>
> >>I also think characters should be allowed to jump to dodge most
> projectiles.
>
> No arguments here on that one, I never said diffrent. The Jump Maneuver is
> designed for just that purpose.
>
> J. Scott Pittman
> Game Designer, Writer, Artist
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 6:50 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
>
>
> >Hey scott.
> >I checked out your web page and I love it,
> >but I have to say I still disagree with your blindfighting rules.
> >Its been listed multiple times in the books that when a character must
> react
> >in combat he uses wits not perception.
> >I still also think its much easier for a story teller to simply assign
> >a difficulty to the level of darkness and the player try to roll to see

if

> >he can succeed.
> >I also think characters should be allowed to jump to dodge most
> projectiles.
> >
> >>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
> >>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:46:56 -0800
> >>
> >>
> >>Dogs Of War (Street Fighter site):
> >>
> >>http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm
> >>
> >>Have Fun!
> >>J. Scott Pittman
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >>Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:17 PM
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
> >>
> >>
> >> >Ok Ill need the address for dogs of war again.
> >> >but I doubt Ill agree.
> >> >mainly because this is in perfect vein with the system.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
> >> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
> >> >>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 09:44:56 -0800
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>This is a good system for the role-playing aspect of any Storyteller
> >> >>system,
> >> >>but for a Storyteller to have to set a difficulty for the action in a
> >> >>tournament combat could be unfair unless the number is always
> >>consistent.
> >>I
> >> >>think Rinaldo, Diemert and myself came up with a better system. It's

on

> >> >>Dogs
> >> >>of War.
> >> >>
> >> >>J. Scott Pittman
> >> >>
> >> >>P.S. - I had not realised it had been so long since I started moving!
> >>Whew!
> >> >>The holidays combined in there also, and like a month has gone by

since

> >>i
> >> >>updated Dogs of ar or even provided one turn of Dark Streets. Promise
> to
> >> >>get
> >> >>back on tack soon - what can I say, the beginning of the year did us
> all
> >>in
> >> >>for a bit I think, even Rinaldo, who has to be the typingist person

on

> >>this
> >> >>mailing list!
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
> >> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >> >>Date: Friday, January 07, 2000 11:55 PM
> >> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: blind fighting
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hey everyone. Sorry Ive been gone for so long but I had a long two
> >>weeks
> >> >>and
> >> >> >wasnt able to resond.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Anyways a good friend of mine came down over the time and the

subject

> >>of
> >> >> >blind fighting came up. I know we drilled this one into the ground
> >> >> >and I dont think this was mentioned, bu heres a go at working the
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Just asking but that blind fight rules are that made by you and using some concepts of Josh Diemert if it is I agree with that.
Super Manuvers rules, I read only that one made by Chris Hoffmann what is new in that one here?
Abort cases? What we need more known only defensive ways block and jump, but I think realy a crouching block isn´t a way to avoid aerial manuvers, how you can block a Jumping Fierce punch crouched, of course only if you crouch just in time to enemy fighter pass but he will finish his movement in his opponent hex, it´s realy confuse...

joespitt@... wrote:

The following rules have been nominated to become Offical Street Fighter Mailing List Rules. The nomination that wins will proceed to further discussion and a new vote on which version of that rule should become offical. The runners up will remain and appear on future nomination votes. The Poll will continue until either everyone has voted (please vote) or one week has passed (sorry for the 7 day wait, but everyone deserves to have time to see the poll and vote). Polling will end Febuary 15, at 5 my time (or sooner if everyone votes). - Scott
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Well if they can´t be catched just put dex 2 and put the rest in strenght and stamina, follow the Zangief way. :).

Andy wrote:

Agreed.
Besides, most things that require any amount of strenght <Grabs> in hefting
opponents, is going to be purchased by a wrestler with loads o' muscels
anyway. Most grabs that slimmer styles get (such as Kung fu) have tosses
that are based on leverage and momentum. And heck, at least ONE maneuver
<face plam> has a Strenght Prerequisit anyway.
=P

Against truly enourmous characters, that are approaching the 0.5-1.0 ton
mark, I use the rules that have for the mutant bull Diablo.
You have to roll strenght against them before you can even ATTEMPT a grab,
and to knock them back you have to equal thier stammina (good luck).
So why dont' my players make characters that are 16' tall and wiegh1 ton?
Because then they couldn't move more than 1 hex per turn, and never will
have more than a 1 or 2 in Dex.
My Rules.
Mu-hahahahahahahah!

> >>This is interesting!  Should there be a rule to determine whether you
can
> lift your opponent?  I don't know... maybe...  But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think
the
> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man
>
> I disagree. Street Fighter is very cinematic, and guys with little
strength
> still seem able to pull off incredible moves with nothing more than pure
> skill. The damage won't be that much anyway. Besides, if you make a rule
for
> that, whats the weight-strength ratio to throw someone, knock them back a
> hex, etc. Could cammy really knock E. Honda off his feet? Not likely. I
say
> keep the "strength needed" rules out of Street Fighter myself. If you want
a
> realistic system, try GURPS (which really is a GREAT system).
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Abort ways.
>
>
> >...Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
> >>My idea about abort is you can abort only for defensive ways (Block,
Jump,
> Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip and Esquives but why not abort to movement?
> >>Ex: A huge guy advance and try to grab my fighter he is slow and have
> speed 6 after a block in the other turn my fighter block too but he don4t
> want being caught in a sustained hold because that he see the huge guy
move
> and interrupt his attack moving back, is a valid way?
> >
> >Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip, and Esquives might make good Abort
> Maneuvers, but I wouldn't go so far as to make Move an Abort... For a fast
> Move, you could just have a Combo like Block to Move, which would make you
> faster than just about anything... If you see the huge guy Block, and you
> think he's going to go for a Grab Maneuver on the following turn, you can
> Abort to Block during the turn in which he Blocks, and get the super-fast
> Move on the next turn... he reaches for you, but you're long gone.
> >
> >Also, Jump only costs 1 Power Point to learn... If you want to be able to
> Abort, spend the 4 Experience points and learn how to Jump.  Keep in mind
> that ALL of the World Warriors can Jump (even Honda!)
> >
> >>his strength and now people can laugh his strength is 2 and the stupid
> size and weight of my fighter don4t let he make what he want.
> >>He can4t throw me or better say he can4t take me out of ground a
powerful
> maneuver like that stopped by weight, I laughed all day with this :)
> >>But I don4t know if is valid, I take the support because by the book
> strength 2 can work without problems using 100 lbs.
> >
> >This is interesting!  Should there be a rule to determine whether you can
> lift your opponent?  I don't know... maybe...  But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think
the
> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!
> >
> >If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the
> situation, I disallow it.  Also, I don't allow my players to learn
Maneuvers
> I don't want in my campaign!  Rules are great, but the fewer the better.
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Just for curious why this people don´t spend exp points? Rise an atribute? Buy
new manuvers or just forget it? If the case is don´t known your experience
points just email me to say where you spend it, I don´t say to spend points now
but I think this strange.

Whisper have 17 exp points.
Tsui Hui have 15 exp points.

I haven't had time to do anything but download my mail lately. I will be
spending Hui's XP prior to the next round, you can be assured of that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta [mailto:rinaldo@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:50 AM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Exp points Quarter finals.


Just for curious why this people don´t spend exp points? Rise an atribute?
Buy
new manuvers or just forget it? If the case is don´t known your experience
points just email me to say where you spend it, I don´t say to spend points
now
but I think this strange.

Whisper have 17 exp points.
Tsui Hui have 15 exp points.





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I've said that if I ever did allow air-blocking in my campaign, the fighter
who aborted to a Block from an aerial maneuver would indeed get the extra
soak, but would still be considered aerial for purposes of maneuvers that
affected aerial fighters.

by the way... had my second-ever character death last weekend while running
The Perfect Warrior. Same player as last time, too. ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Azathoth05@... [mailto:Azathoth05@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:51 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Offical Rules [can'o'worms]


The problem I find with aborting to a block from an aerial maneuver is all a

matter of timing. If I'm in mid-air in a hex right next to an opponent when

he interrupts with a power uppercut or a dragon punch, I may get the extra
soak from aborting to a block but I'm sure as hell gonna suffer a knockdown,

which most blocks prevent. That's the most logical way I can see it
happening, because even though you're using your arms and legs to defend
yourself, you aren't firmly planted on the ground as with a normal block.
Also, keep in mind that the system is supposed to resemble the video game,
and until Alpha you could never block in the air. I feel Blocking from the
air should possibly be an advanced maneuver, maybe like below.

Air Block
Cost: Any: 3
Prerequisites: Block 4, Athletics 3, Jump
Air Block can only be played as an abort maneuver after an aerial maneuver.

Air Block costs 1 Willpower(for the abort) and works as a normal block,
except that knockdown is translated into knockback. Maneuvers that would
normally knock down an aerial opponent instead push the blocking character
back 1 hex for each level of damage he takes greater than his stamina,
minimum 1. (this keeps it very close to the feel of the video game).

Anyway, that was just an idea off the top of my head.

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"So why dont' my players make characters that are 16' tall and wiegh1 ton?"

...because human beings can't be that big. ;)

"and in this corner... FAT BASTARD!"

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy [mailto:dlatrex@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:44 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Abort ways.


Agreed.
Besides, most things that require any amount of strenght <Grabs> in hefting
opponents, is going to be purchased by a wrestler with loads o' muscels
anyway. Most grabs that slimmer styles get (such as Kung fu) have tosses
that are based on leverage and momentum. And heck, at least ONE maneuver
<face plam> has a Strenght Prerequisit anyway.
=P

Against truly enourmous characters, that are approaching the 0.5-1.0 ton
mark, I use the rules that have for the mutant bull Diablo.
You have to roll strenght against them before you can even ATTEMPT a grab,
and to knock them back you have to equal thier stammina (good luck).
So why dont' my players make characters that are 16' tall and wiegh1 ton?
Because then they couldn't move more than 1 hex per turn, and never will
have more than a 1 or 2 in Dex.
My Rules.
Mu-hahahahahahahah!

> >>This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you

can

> lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think

the

> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man
>
> I disagree. Street Fighter is very cinematic, and guys with little

strength

> still seem able to pull off incredible moves with nothing more than pure
> skill. The damage won't be that much anyway. Besides, if you make a rule

for

> that, whats the weight-strength ratio to throw someone, knock them back a
> hex, etc. Could cammy really knock E. Honda off his feet? Not likely. I

say

> keep the "strength needed" rules out of Street Fighter myself. If you want

a

> realistic system, try GURPS (which really is a GREAT system).
>
> J. Scott Pittman
> Game Designer, Writer, Artist
> Visit the Street Fighter:Dogs of War page at:
> http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm
> "Oh, you want a little fisticuffs?" - Mr. Furious
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jade M Prout <twitchboy@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Abort ways.
>
>
> >...Rinaldo Gambetta wrote:
> >>My idea about abort is you can abort only for defensive ways (Block,

Jump,

> Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip and Esquives but why not abort to movement?
> >>Ex: A huge guy advance and try to grab my fighter he is slow and have
> speed 6 after a block in the other turn my fighter block too but he don4t
> want being caught in a sustained hold because that he see the huge guy

move

> and interrupt his attack moving back, is a valid way?
> >
> >Drunken Monkey Roll, Backflip, and Esquives might make good Abort
> Maneuvers, but I wouldn't go so far as to make Move an Abort... For a fast
> Move, you could just have a Combo like Block to Move, which would make you
> faster than just about anything... If you see the huge guy Block, and you
> think he's going to go for a Grab Maneuver on the following turn, you can
> Abort to Block during the turn in which he Blocks, and get the super-fast
> Move on the next turn... he reaches for you, but you're long gone.
> >
> >Also, Jump only costs 1 Power Point to learn... If you want to be able to
> Abort, spend the 4 Experience points and learn how to Jump. Keep in mind
> that ALL of the World Warriors can Jump (even Honda!)
> >
> >>his strength and now people can laugh his strength is 2 and the stupid
> size and weight of my fighter don4t let he make what he want.
> >>He can4t throw me or better say he can4t take me out of ground a

powerful

> maneuver like that stopped by weight, I laughed all day with this :)
> >>But I don4t know if is valid, I take the support because by the book
> strength 2 can work without problems using 100 lbs.
> >
> >This is interesting! Should there be a rule to determine whether you can
> lift your opponent? I don't know... maybe... But with something like a
> Rising Storm Crow (which quite frankly defies logic and gravity) I think

the

> Storyteller would be within his rights to say it just won't work with a
> Strength of 2 against a 600 pound man!
> >
> >If I think a Maneuver is too unrealistic or just plain wrong for the
> situation, I disallow it. Also, I don't allow my players to learn

Maneuvers

> I don't want in my campaign! Rules are great, but the fewer the better.
> >
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