I am working on converting some of the ways from Kindred of the
East (I can't figure you guys who are 'purists' yet would not realize the
need for more maneuvers and some divisions of Styles especially Kung Fu.
When my page is finished being revamped (which it is, with a prettier
look and more organized sections) I'm working on Tekken and the Styles
section (for those purists who absolutely hate new styles- to give the
guy who was tired of SF a new style)

RMR

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:46:27 EST EvilTyger@... writes:

>Well, in one of the previous E-mail's, it mentioned "purists" for SF &
>WoD vs
>those who mixed the two.
>
>Now the question is, how much effort do some feel it is worth and
>which parts
>of the systems would be taken and tossed?
>
>I'd figure that Abilities would jump across fairly well.
>
>How about the Lotus line? (Kindred of the East, Demon Hunter X, etc.)
>
>Psi Powers, Hedge Magic, True Faith or Qiao?
>
>Personally, I laregly started in SF because, quite simply... it was
>the
>closest I could get to making a "normal" human for a WoD game at the
>time.
>(Hard to pick up books and found it in a bargain bin.)
>
>Of course, now I have all of WoD's Hunter & Ally books, and while the
>Focus
>powers can be a bit unbalancing.... it largely depends on who they're
>being
>used against. Haven't really done alot of "play testing" between them,
>which
>may be what I'm looking for. (Although Blind Fighting and Animal
>Companion
>have found their way into a WoD game or two.)
>
>
>If anyone managed to read through that mish mash of random thoughts,
>congradulations and thank you for your patience.
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Several Things, Please don't Flame me.

First: A Merry and Joyful Holiday Season to ALL of you! I hope you all
enjoyed your Christmas and I want you all to Party this New-Years. Spread joy
to everyone you know.

Second: French Ninjas. French Ninjas (or any new style) can be played for
laughs, or they can add an all new level of danger to a Chronicle. I was
using them for a year as the remnents of an ancient Assassin's guild. They
were trying to edge Shadowloo out of certain operations, both sides were using
the Players as pawns in their operations. The players just found out that the
forces of evil were playing them for fools and their reaction was priceless.
Next Story they think they're becoming masters of their own destinies, such
fools.

Third: Evil Storytellers. A difference should be made between evil and
annoying. So far you have all been discusing Annoying Storytellers. Annoying
Storytellers think in Powergamer terms. They need to be ...corrected. Teach
annoying Storytellers how to imagine, come up with inventive ways to AVOID
fights, use the STUNT card, try turning those irritating all combat stories
into detective work, build up a personal life for your fighter.

Annoying Storytellers will either adapt to this by becoming better
Storytellers or the Non-powergamers will leave in disgust that they can't do
anything outside of the Arena. Not a problem. The point of the game is to
have FUN. If things are as bad as some of you say then you are no longer
having Fun and you need a change.

Evil Storytellers are another matter entierly. I am a Totally Evil
Storyteller, I game one player a new power and the oportunity for more. Can
you say Devil's deal? Another player's Girlfriend has died, thanks
Shadowloo's Project Dopalganger Cybernetics he does not know. Evil
Storytellers like to do cruel things like that to see how people react, they
HATE powergamers because the fools are so predictable (BTW, Does ANYONE know a
Cure for powergamers? I'm desperate). This is usually not a problem, most of
my players LIKE the torment I put them through (and still do a good job of
role-playing their tormented heroes).

Forth: New Moves. I LIKE new Moves. The opportunity for new moves has been
the only reward for some of the deadliest stories I've run. I Like new styles
too.

Fifth: Warriors and Werewolves. Rules-wise it's not hard to mix Street
Fighter with the World of Darkness. 1-Get World of Darkness: Combat.
2-Street Fighters must Roll Dex (Perception for Focus)+ Technique to hit.
3-Decide if Street Fighters are "Awakened Beings" (I give them this
automatically, If you want you can require them to have Focus).

Story-wise is a bit harder on the surface, but is not as hard as it seems.
Decide which setting is dominant.

If Street Fighter is Dominant the Technocracy is Weakend by attacks on all
sides, Vampires are Much less commen and Pentex is locked in a war with
Shadowloo. Mages can pull off some Vulger Magick by making Martial Arts a
Focus (Akasic Brotherhood...).

If World of Darkness is Dominant The Tournament is Hunted by the Technocracy
and looked upon as snack food by the Vamps. Pentex permits Shadowloo to exist
as long as they "Test" Some "products". Most mortals never even heard of the
tournament or Shadowloo.


Whatever you make of these comments remember the point of the game: HAVE FUN!
Dispite what some of you may think I do not intend any hurt feelings with this
Posting, if there are I'm sorry. If you liked This: Cool, that's what the
list is for.

May the Games Never End!- Arkon, DL
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>
>Several Things, Please don't Flame me.
>
>First: A Merry and Joyful Holiday Season to ALL of you! I hope you

all

>enjoyed your Christmas and I want you all to Party this New-Years.

Spread joy

>to everyone you know.
>

Merry X-mas 2 U 2.

>Second: French Ninjas. French Ninjas (or any new style) can be played

for

>laughs, or they can add an all new level of danger to a Chronicle. I

was

>using them for a year as the remnents of an ancient Assassin's guild.

They

>were trying to edge Shadowloo out of certain operations, both sides

were using

>the Players as pawns in their operations. The players just found out

that the

>forces of evil were playing them for fools and their reaction was

priceless.

>Next Story they think they're becoming masters of their own destinies,

such

>fools.
>

French ninja are OK. I've had worse ideas. A hidden society of
intelligent apes in Congo springs to mind. How the h*ll have they
avoided detection?

>Third: Evil Storytellers. A difference should be made between evil

and

>annoying. So far you have all been discusing Annoying Storytellers.

Annoying

>Storytellers think in Powergamer terms. They need to be ...corrected.

Teach

>annoying Storytellers how to imagine, come up with inventive ways to

AVOID

>fights, use the STUNT card, try turning those irritating all combat

stories

>into detective work, build up a personal life for your fighter.
>
>Annoying Storytellers will either adapt to this by becoming better
>Storytellers or the Non-powergamers will leave in disgust that they

can't do

>anything outside of the Arena. Not a problem. The point of the game

is to

>have FUN. If things are as bad as some of you say then you are no

longer

>having Fun and you need a change.
>
>Evil Storytellers are another matter entierly. I am a Totally Evil
>Storyteller, I game one player a new power and the oportunity for more.

Can

>you say Devil's deal? Another player's Girlfriend has died, thanks
>Shadowloo's Project Dopalganger Cybernetics he does not know. Evil
>Storytellers like to do cruel things like that to see how people react,

they

>HATE powergamers because the fools are so predictable (BTW, Does ANYONE

know a

>Cure for powergamers? I'm desperate). This is usually not a problem,

most of

>my players LIKE the torment I put them through (and still do a good job

of

>role-playing their tormented heroes).
>

I am also an EVIL Storyteller. The name of my primary campaign is
Backstab. The pore players have no idea what they've gotten in to...

>Forth: New Moves. I LIKE new Moves. The opportunity for new moves has

been

>the only reward for some of the deadliest stories I've run. I Like new

styles

>too.
>

New Moves are essential. My current move list covers some 300 moves,
from Alpha, Tekken, Mortal Kombat and a bunch of My Own.

New Styles however. I do my very best to limit the use of new styles. I
do not use Jeet Kune Do (too similar to Kung Fu, sorry Bruce), Wrestling
(Sanbo is the WRESTLING of wrestling arts and Z. is THE greatest),
Majestic Crow Kung Fu (but I do have a drafted set of rules covering
sub-styles for Kung Fu in general) and Silat (don't remember why).

I have added a few styles myself but all those are tied firmly to a
specific adventure only, and never seen again. And I don't have to
cross-check every damn old move!

>Fifth: Warriors and Werewolves. Rules-wise it's not hard to mix Street
>Fighter with the World of Darkness. 1-Get World of Darkness: Combat.
>2-Street Fighters must Roll Dex (Perception for Focus)+ Technique to

hit.

>3-Decide if Street Fighters are "Awakened Beings" (I give them this
>automatically, If you want you can require them to have Focus).
>
>Story-wise is a bit harder on the surface, but is not as hard as it

seems.

>Decide which setting is dominant.
>
>If Street Fighter is Dominant the Technocracy is Weakend by attacks on

all

>sides, Vampires are Much less commen and Pentex is locked in a war with
>Shadowloo. Mages can pull off some Vulger Magick by making Martial

Arts a

>Focus (Akasic Brotherhood...).
>
>If World of Darkness is Dominant The Tournament is Hunted by the

Technocracy

>and looked upon as snack food by the Vamps. Pentex permits Shadowloo

to exist

>as long as they "Test" Some "products". Most mortals never even heard

of the

>tournament or Shadowloo.
>

I persist: WoD and SF don't mix.

>
>Whatever you make of these comments remember the point of the game:

HAVE FUN!

>Dispite what some of you may think I do not intend any hurt feelings

with this

>Posting, if there are I'm sorry. If you liked This: Cool, that's what

the

>list is for.
>
> May the Games Never End!-

Arkon, DL

>of C
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I hope everyone is enjoying/enjoyed their holidays.

Ok, I consider myself a purist and I havent used any new moves that
werent in the books. Why? Because the new moves I have seen were really
cheesy. Mind you I havent played SF in a long time now so I havent
bothered looking. But when I did they were rather munchy. A playing/GM
in my old group made up three moves that were rather good, but
unfortunately I lost the write up (Thats a hint Mike). Maybe tonight I
will take a look online and check out the new moves on some webpages.

MikeM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: leonardsmalls@... [SMTP:leonardsmalls@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:24 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Purists?
>
> I am working on converting some of the ways from Kindred of the
> East (I can't figure you guys who are 'purists' yet would not realize
> the
> need for more maneuvers and some divisions of Styles especially Kung
> Fu.
> When my page is finished being revamped (which it is, with a prettier
> look and more organized sections) I'm working on Tekken and the Styles
> section (for those purists who absolutely hate new styles- to give the
> guy who was tired of SF a new style)
>
> RMR
>
> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:46:27 EST EvilTyger@... writes:
> >Well, in one of the previous E-mail's, it mentioned "purists" for SF
> &
> >WoD vs
> >those who mixed the two.
> >
> >Now the question is, how much effort do some feel it is worth and
> >which parts
> >of the systems would be taken and tossed?
> >
> >I'd figure that Abilities would jump across fairly well.
> >
> >How about the Lotus line? (Kindred of the East, Demon Hunter X, etc.)
> >
> >Psi Powers, Hedge Magic, True Faith or Qiao?
> >
> >Personally, I laregly started in SF because, quite simply... it was
> >the
> >closest I could get to making a "normal" human for a WoD game at the
> >time.
> >(Hard to pick up books and found it in a bargain bin.)
> >
> >Of course, now I have all of WoD's Hunter & Ally books, and while the
>
> >Focus
> >powers can be a bit unbalancing.... it largely depends on who they're
>
> >being
> >used against. Haven't really done alot of "play testing" between
> them,
> >which
> >may be what I'm looking for. (Although Blind Fighting and Animal
> >Companion
> >have found their way into a WoD game or two.)
> >
> >
> >If anyone managed to read through that mish mash of random thoughts,
> >congradulations and thank you for your patience.
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
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I've got a few on SF Central. Plan to do more, but just 'aven't 'ad
time. Y'know?

Anyway, I was pondering, and it's amazing how many 'new' moves can be
adapted to old moves (Ling Xiaoyu's Art of Phoenix = Ducking Fierce)...
and my main beef with adding new moves is summed up pretty well by our
resident cynic, Howard:

"...No wonder Ryu can't retire as a Master. Every time he's ready to
step down a new supplement comes out with more moves for him to learn!"

It says in the Player's Guide that to become a Master you need to learn
all the moves available to your style, and that's impossible when
there's fifty or sixty of them. Some of the more flexible styles in the
books, like Wu Shu, Kung Fu, Wrestling, Sanbo, and Ninjitsu, push thirty
or thirty-five! Adding more to those lists becomes insane.

Morgado, Mike wrote:

>
> I hope everyone is enjoying/enjoyed their holidays.
>
> Ok, I consider myself a purist and I havent used any new moves that
> werent in the books. Why? Because the new moves I have seen were really
> cheesy. Mind you I havent played SF in a long time now so I havent
> bothered looking. But when I did they were rather munchy. A playing/GM
> in my old group made up three moves that were rather good, but
> unfortunately I lost the write up (Thats a hint Mike). Maybe tonight I
> will take a look online and check out the new moves on some webpages.
>
> MikeM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: leonardsmalls@... [SMTP:leonardsmalls@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 12:24 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Purists?
> >
> > I am working on converting some of the ways from Kindred of the
> > East (I can't figure you guys who are 'purists' yet would not realize
> > the
> > need for more maneuvers and some divisions of Styles especially Kung
> > Fu.
> > When my page is finished being revamped (which it is, with a prettier
> > look and more organized sections) I'm working on Tekken and the Styles
> > section (for those purists who absolutely hate new styles- to give the
> > guy who was tired of SF a new style)
> >
> > RMR
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:46:27 EST EvilTyger@... writes:
> > >Well, in one of the previous E-mail's, it mentioned "purists" for SF
> > &
> > >WoD vs
> > >those who mixed the two.
> > >
> > >Now the question is, how much effort do some feel it is worth and
> > >which parts
> > >of the systems would be taken and tossed?
> > >
> > >I'd figure that Abilities would jump across fairly well.
> > >
> > >How about the Lotus line? (Kindred of the East, Demon Hunter X, etc.)
> > >
> > >Psi Powers, Hedge Magic, True Faith or Qiao?
> > >
> > >Personally, I laregly started in SF because, quite simply... it was
> > >the
> > >closest I could get to making a "normal" human for a WoD game at the
> > >time.
> > >(Hard to pick up books and found it in a bargain bin.)
> > >
> > >Of course, now I have all of WoD's Hunter & Ally books, and while the
> >
> > >Focus
> > >powers can be a bit unbalancing.... it largely depends on who they're
> >
> > >being
> > >used against. Haven't really done alot of "play testing" between
> > them,
> > >which
> > >may be what I'm looking for. (Although Blind Fighting and Animal
> > >Companion
> > >have found their way into a WoD game or two.)
> > >
> > >
> > >If anyone managed to read through that mish mash of random thoughts,
> > >congradulations and thank you for your patience.
> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
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I plan on starting a new Street Fighter campaign. But seem to be out of
ideas. Every thing Ive thought of Ive already done. Anyone got some
good ideas I can borrow? My campaigns are never really tournament
heavy. I find that when I do tournaments its only to help the story
along. This way my players spend experience on other things instead of
just combat abilities.

Also I was wondering what everybody's favourite character was. I have
three that I really like.

James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu
Rich boy who's parents were killed under mysterious circumstances and
his older brother and sister vanished. By default he inherited the
family fortune. He ended up infiltrating Shadowloo with a few friends.
On one mission his best friend betrayed him and James got captured and
was never seen from again.....I plan to remedy that in my upcomming
campaign.

Lynx - Kung Fu (And no he is not an animal hybrid)
Was a Shadowloo punk before getting the crap kicked out of him. Turned
his life around and started learning kung fu. Unfortunately everyone
thinks he went back to his old ways and rejoined Shadowloo. How ever he
only did so to find his sister.

I would like to hear about your favourite characters.

Thanks

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> From: Morgado, Mike <MMorgado@...>
> To: 'streetfighter@egroups.com'
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Purists?
> Date: December 28, 1998 8:53 AM
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying/enjoyed their holidays.
>
> Ok, I consider myself a purist and I havent used any new moves that
> werent in the books. Why? Because the new moves I have seen were really
> cheesy. Mind you I havent played SF in a long time now so I havent
> bothered looking. But when I did they were rather munchy. A playing/GM
> in my old group made up three moves that were rather good, but
> unfortunately I lost the write up (Thats a hint Mike). Maybe tonight I
> will take a look online and check out the new moves on some webpages.

Hey. I posted them a while back. I will re-post the three moves again and
send them to you again.

Micheal Duynhoven
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Well, a plot thread that is moving along nicely in the campaign i'm
running is Bison's plot for World Domination(tm). He's been using mind
control to subvert the governments of the Far East. They allow his
troops access to the capitals and then put them into states of martial
law until he can get the government officials to sign over rule of their
countries to him. So far he now 'owns' Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and
China. This has caused mucho problems in China; mass rioting and open
rebellion by the people (including a repeat of the Tiannamen Square
massacre when Chun Li gathered a huge group of students to oppose the
soldiers which didn't go so well... she's rotting in a prison somewhere
unnamed now). Japan is next on the list and Interpol is flipping
because all of these annexations are done voluntarily by the governments
and you can't exactly take military action for that. After all, you'd
look like a loon in the UN saying "Um, well, we nuked Mriganka 'coz
Bison is hypnotizing world leaders..."

right.

This plotline can, and has, introduced tons of others. The Lin Kuei
(Sub Zero's clan) has scattered from China because Bison is either
destroying or recruiting all Street Fighters in the area. Bison fights
fire with fire; he sends the Warriors of the Storm to retrieve them. I
had one of the Lin Kuei appeal to Interpol for help, masking himself as
a research scientist who thinks he's being followed. The people he
wants to guard him? The players, of course!

The Warriors of the Storm are a Kung Fu cult from China, who practice
Storm Kung Fu. That is, regular Kung Fu mixed with, you guessed it,
Elemental powers! Air and Water mostly, although a few have learned
Lightning (Shock Treatment)... they are lead by a mysterious old
sorcerer named Lin Fang who is rumored to not only be centuries old,
but has mastered both the Elemental styles of Air *and* Water.

How about a team of all ex-Shadoloo fighters trying to rebuild their
lives after 'leaving' the organization?

And let's not forget the Evil Corporations. United Enforcement, Inc. is
on the cutting edge of technology; mostly robotics, advanced weaponry,
and cybernetics. (Where do you think almost all of the cyborgs in my
campaign world come from?!) They supply militaries all over the world
(including Shadoloo, of course) and dabble in illegal DNA experiments
(animal hybrids, naturally). They also covertly sponsor Street
Fighters.

...not to mention one of the best campaigns that didn't last too long,
Howard's infamous "Fistfight High". The teenaged (and younger)
characters left over from a defunct fighting team sponsored by Pro Force
are forced to make a decision; part company and return to their old,
boring lifestyles or stay on the circuit. Naturally, to remain on the
circuit they must continue their education... and an upstate New York
school is the perfect compromise, keeping them close to NYC and the
circuit, while appeasing their parents, who think they're recieving
"gymnastics or Olympic Judo Team" training. How do you keep your
friends from knowing you're an Air Elemental, or settle schoolyard
disputes without Suplexing the opposition, who happens to be ten years
old? What if you have to choose between biology homework and jetting to
China for a tournament? It's all par for the course at Fist-Fight High!

Have you tried the Mortal Kombat trilogy as a campaign setting? It all
started with a mysterious tournament on a remote island... if you have
the rules for Mage: the Ascension, making Shang Tsung a worker of True
Magick in addition to a powerful Street Fighter could be *vile*.

As for my favorite characters, I have a bunch of them, most NPCs of my
own devising;

Thu, the Emerald Dragon; Sagat's prize student, Thu is the only woman
ruthless enough to have mastered Thai Kickboxing and has risen through
the ranks quickly, cutting a swath through all that oppose her. Since
Sagat's hiatus from the circuit (due to an overzealous Rastafarian and a
molotov cocktail) Thu has been working to replace her mentor in
Shadoloo's power structure, and given his self-destructive path of
revenge, it won't be long. Sagat still trains her, and together they
make an unstoppable team.

Chow Yen and Stephen McKay, East Meets West; the team of Chow Yen &
McKay (also known as Beauty and the Beast) is another feared combination
on the circuit; Chow Yen has mastered no less than three or four
different styles of Kung Fu and McKay is simply psychotic. He is
utterly devoted to her, due to her beauty, her manipulative ways, and
the fact that she reminds him of his dead fiance. These warriors are
sponsored by United Enforcement, and have had plenty of resources to
back their training. Chow Yen is highly educated and is an
international celebrity in the modelling and acting (commercials and
magazine spreads) industry.

Pint-Sized Pain (AKA Ellis, Ryoko, and Sakura); What do you do when
you're challenged by a group of children? Especially one with a mouth
that would make a sailor blush (Sakura)? If you beat them, you look
like the bad guy for kicking the shit out of three little girls. If you
lose, you've just been humiliated by getting the shit kicked out of you
by three little girls. It's a dilemma most fighters would rather not
face. Couple that with the fact that these kids are *good*, and you
have one tough team to handle.

The one player character I've really liked (other than the time I
re-adapted Ryoko for Fistfight High) is John Furyo, a ninja one of my
players introduced some time ago. John masquerades as a college
student, and plays up his appearance by snapping photos of everything.
He does this, of course, because his people are a clan of information
gatherers. He takes his fighting less than seriously, and has appeared
in a pink leotard on occasion, maintaining that he fights with a
"special" form of Wu Shu. So far, if anyone in the group knows he's a
ninja, they've not said anything...

(it's a far cry from Dakota, eh Howard? Tony surprises me sometimes...)

Morgado, Mike wrote:

>
> I plan on starting a new Street Fighter campaign. But seem to be out of
> ideas. Every thing Ive thought of Ive already done. Anyone got some
> good ideas I can borrow? My campaigns are never really tournament
> heavy. I find that when I do tournaments its only to help the story
> along. This way my players spend experience on other things instead of
> just combat abilities.
>
> Also I was wondering what everybody's favourite character was. I have
> three that I really like.
>
> James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu
> Rich boy who's parents were killed under mysterious circumstances and
> his older brother and sister vanished. By default he inherited the
> family fortune. He ended up infiltrating Shadowloo with a few friends.
> On one mission his best friend betrayed him and James got captured and
> was never seen from again.....I plan to remedy that in my upcomming
> campaign.
>
> Lynx - Kung Fu (And no he is not an animal hybrid)
> Was a Shadowloo punk before getting the crap kicked out of him. Turned
> his life around and started learning kung fu. Unfortunately everyone
> thinks he went back to his old ways and rejoined Shadowloo. How ever he
> only did so to find his sister.
>
> I would like to hear about your favourite characters.
>
> Thanks
>
> MikeM
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> From: Morgado, Mike <MMorgado@...>
>
> Also I was wondering what everybody's favourite character was. I have
> three that I really like.
>
> James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu
> Lynx - Kung Fu (And no he is not an animal hybrid)

Who is the third?

>
> I would like to hear about your favourite characters.

Current favourites :
1. Tyrone Winslow - Special Forces (PC)
Former Army grunt who became a little unhappy with his CO's. Assaulted the
CO, went AWOL, and was then caught up in the main circuit of Street
Fighting. Definitely my favourite character.

2. Adam Ramsey - Boxing (PC, not my own though)
Former street punk, earned respect the hard way. Father is an exceptional
manager but the two try to keep it from becoming public knowlegde. My
second favourite character.

3. James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu (PC, Also one of Mike Morgado's
Characters in my GM'ing)
Ah. the absolute hell I put this character through! And Mike basically
begged me for more and more with this character. I had a bit arranged too,
if not for the PC's traitous 'best friend'. That threw me for a loop as
well. Ended the Story rather suddenly I thought.

4. Luigi Marcelli - Jeet Kune Do (NPC)
Former Mafia boss turned Street Fighter turned Manager. Stays out of all
illegal aspects of life now, except for using his influence to run a clean,
tight street fighter stable.

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> > James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu
> > Lynx - Kung Fu (And no he is not an animal hybrid)
> Who is the third?
>

+++Damn, I forgot to write him in. You included him though...good old
Adam.

> > I would like to hear about your favourite characters.
> Current favourites :
> 1. Tyrone Winslow - Special Forces (PC)
> Former Army grunt who became a little unhappy with his CO's.
> Assaulted the
> CO, went AWOL, and was then caught up in the main circuit of Street
> Fighting. Definitely my favourite character.
>
> 2. Adam Ramsey - Boxing (PC, not my own though)
> Former street punk, earned respect the hard way. Father is an
> exceptional
> manager but the two try to keep it from becoming public knowlegde. My
> second favourite character.
>

+++And the greatest boxer in the world...ok maybe not. But he was still
cool

> 3. James Spirto - Spanish Ninjitsu (PC, Also one of Mike Morgado's
> Characters in my GM'ing)
> Ah. the absolute hell I put this character through! And Mike
> basically
> begged me for more and more with this character. I had a bit arranged
> too,
> if not for the PC's traitous 'best friend'. That threw me for a loop
> as
> well. Ended the Story rather suddenly I thought.
>

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In the 2+ years of playing SF, We only really came up with 4 or so new
maneuvers. Not because we did not think of doing so, but because we felt
that there was sufficient variety in the books so as to not need to add
more and more.

Here are the 4 Maneuvers. Criticism is appreciated.

Clawing Hands of the Tiger

Prerequisites:Punch 3, Focus 2
Power Points: Kung Fu 3; Any 5
Originally known only to the best Tiger Kung Fu warriors, this old
technique was created to offset the abilities of self recovery by
opponent. Training by clawing at sand, gravel, and trees, those wh
trained for this technique developed an inner focus through their
fingertips, which enabled them to literally claw through materials
will. It is not uncommon to see the Clawing Hands Technique rip
through an opponent's clothing to gouge the flesh underneath.
System :Fighter's damage test is rolled and if any damage is scored, half
of the total damage suffered by the opponent is aggravated.
(rounded up).
Cost : 1 Chi
Speed : -1
Damage : +0
Move : +0

Split Kick

Prerequisites: Kick 2, Athletics 1, Jump
Power Points: Thai Kickboxing, Wu Shu 1; Any 2
This maneuver requires a fair amount of leg strength to do. By
launching himself into the air, the fighter is able to simultaneou
kick two opponents in front of him. The move in itself is very
flashy and seems to be a crowd pleaser as it is featured in many
action movies by Stars such as Van Damme and Jackie Chan.
System :The fighter makes a short leap into the air and as he is acsending
snaps out his legs in opposite directions, catching his opponents
in the chin. Any two opponents in the adjacent front 3 hexes can
be hit by this maneuver. The move is an Aerial manuever and can
be used to dodge fireballs and the like. Only 1 damage test per
opponent is calculated.
Cost : None
Speed : -1
Damage : +0
Move : -2

Circle Kick

Prerequisites: Kick 3, Athletics 2
Power Points: Kung Fu, Wu Shu 1; Shotokan Karate, Spanish Ninjitsu,
Thai Kickboxing 2; Any 3
Requiring a good sense of balance and flexibility, the fighter use
his own momentum to carry him through a 180 degree arc while
hitting all people in that arc with a slightly less powerful round
kick. Once again it is a high profile maneuver that can leave the
fighter open to counter attack.
System : All three forward adjacent hexes are hit. Any opponents occupying
these hexes takes a single damage test.
Cost : 1 Willpower
Speed : -1
Damage : +2
Move : None

Kippup Kick

Prerequisites: Athletics 3, Kick 2
Power Points: Kung Fu, Wu Shu 1; Shotokan Karate, Spanish Ninjitsu,
Thai Kickboxing 2; Any 3
A modification of the standard Kippup used by the majority of the
martial arts community, this variation, uses the fighter's strengt
and agility to create an instant response to being knocked from
his/her feet. The two most common methods are slightly different.
The first uses a windmill effect to gather momentum and basically
snap' his back to launch the fighter into his opponent feet first
strike with his/her legs. The second method requires great upper
body strength as the fighter arces his/her back and uses just the
arms to literally throw themselves into an upright position, while
clipping their opponent on the way up in a vital area
System :Move is considered crouching until damage test is rolled, cannot
hit aerial opponents.
Cost : 1 Willpower
Speed : +0 (includes -2 from Knockdown)
Damage : +2
Move : None


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First off I would like to say thanks to everybody on this list. Street
Fighter is one of my favourite games and for awhile I was completely out
of it. But due to the enthusiasm and intelligent posts from this list I
am completely 100% back into the Street Fighter game. I also want to
wish everybody a Happy New Year (if you celebrate it).

Also would anyone be interested in chatting in a IRC chat room for
Street Fighter?

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Hello again.

Hope you enjoyed the beginning of the new year. Etc.

Two topics have been discussed lately which both interrest me. Campaigns
and new moves.

I love starting new campaigns. Many years back I juggled, say... five
campaigns at a time. Needless to say, the result wasn't that very
satisfying... Now I do my very best to play only one (1) game at a time.
And that one game turned out to become SF.

SF wasn't actually my choice. It was my players'. We took a vote on what
game we should play for that summer only, me and three players. All my
other "regular" players being out of town or abroad etc. My vote went to
GURPS, some space story if I can remember correctly. My dear players
however thought SF sounded like the right thing to do. Kicking people's
butts and so on. My first thought was naturally: "What the ... have I
gotten into...?"

But here I am, 18 months later. Still sailing strong. More than 20
Stories of varying quality behind me. Three different groups of players
(about to start a 4th...). But damn, it's fun!

I think I popped somthin' about Chronicles some weeks ago but I don't
think I said that much of importance then. What I deem important when
starting up is however the following:

* The Storyteller should have a vague idea how the whole Chronicle
should look before it even starts. Odd maybe, but my experience tells me
it's a good idea. I can't say I've ever followed my own advice though.
Group 4 is propably the first group to suffer.

* Make sure the characters are more than fighting machines. It sounds
basic but it can never be pointed out enough. A shortcut to this is to
make sure all characters has an occupation or the equivalent, letting
the fighter be formed by the human and not the other way around. Let me
pop the some examples. All the characters from my Chronicle:


* The Crusaders * (group A)

- Jones Jonsson, standard Kung Fu freak. Half chinese, father dead,
possibly killed by Shadoloo. 19 years old. Not a good example...
bygones.

- John Landis (we now), ex. FBI-agent. Caused the death of his own
sister by pushing a case a bit too far. Bitter, vendictive (Shadoloo of
course) and ambitious. A bit "classic" but agents always work. They also
tend to grab every damn roleplaying point :-)

- Ragnar Jonsson, lumberjack. Ex soldier. Heavyweight boxer who never
bothered to compete. Lives (currently: lived) isolated in a cottage
somewhere outside Duluth. Has a wolf companion ("It's not a dog, it's a
wolf" and "I want 50 lbs of meat for my wolf" are both legendary by
now).

These fellows are all related to one another. Ragnar's sister is Jones'
mother and John is Ragnar's cousin. Ragnar and John's parents (different
parents that is) are LOADED with $, being judges, company presidents and
son on. The only one in the team not drawing cash from family funds is
Ragnar who has never gotten along with his parents.


* Spirits of the Crimson Dawn * (group 2)

- Mike Cougar, Native Indian walking in T. Hawk's footsteps. Originally
a trucker fighting on the side to earn some extra cash. Accompanied by
his dog and Sarah "Wildbreeze", a 13-year old orphin, appointed to him
be his Apache tribe. This is a funny character, but mostly because of
the player and not the character.

- Derek Chang, Chinese triad member. See Big Trouble in Little China for
details. Energetic. Practitioner of his family's ancient acrobatic Kung
Fu (ie Wu Shu). Calls on the aid of his triad more often than he should
but it works out.

- James Horn, Kabaddi, writer of Yoga books. Original touch. Below 5'
tall. Not much more to say. Could be better.

This is a strict tournament team, brought together by their manager
Curly Mitchells-Cit, a Shadoloo employee but the Spirits don't know
that...


* Venomine Renegades * (group III)

We know "venomine" isn't a real word.

- Alexander Bates, ex bounty-hunter, ex Shadoloo hitman, Ler Drit. This
is a character! Currently on the run like the rest of the team. Rough
childhood, no parents left alive (can't remeber if he killed them...
hm), cynical and cold. Used to do anything for money. Currently trying
to build some Honor. This is a good character, provided the Storyteller
deems it OK to use Ler Drit.

- Chan-Yen-Bao, Shaolin monk who broke his master's neck and fled the
temple. "Accident" is a description which is slightly too forgiving.
Worked for a Shadoloo triad in USA for some time. Has had a strong
mental aspect since day 1 (Focus 4). He's played by a guy with a strong
interrest in Kung Fu so currently he's teaching me.

- Michael Rodriguez, half Swede/Spaniard, one of Vega's ninja. Broke
with Shadoloo when his conscience suddenly revived itself. A real slick
guy.

This entire team are ex Shadoloo henchmen, thus spending most of their
time on the run. I have also introduced a lot of mystic aspects into
this third of the Chronicle. Quite a lot of Mortal Kombat too.


OK. The team presentation became a bit long.

* Always use the characters' backgrounds! If a character had a grudge
with a superior officer while in 'nam, that officer has surely joined
Shadoloo and is currently running drugs off Thailand. If a character has
flattened someone to get even, that someone WILL return with a bunch of
likeminded to kick ass. Deep down the players expect these things to
happen. Make it come true.

* Drop hints in Story 1 and 2. Let them lead to something in Story 4 or
5. Make sure the hints aren't too obvious though. But also make sure
they aren't TOO subtle. It's a fine line. One trick is to present the
clues in a way that they seem important for the Story at hand, catching
the players' attention. When they later turn out to lead nowhere the
players will almost forget them. Use the almost.

* Make up the players personal arch-villain. I have always considered M.
Bison, Akuma etc to be sort of "taken". But I know others haven't, so...

- Group A are haunted by Luis LaCroix, a French Ler Drit, one of Bison's
price-pupils and the Boss of Paris. The players did however lose respect
for this guy after Ragnar dizzied him with Jab and he went out of order
directly after.

- Group 2 had a run in with Dai Immaru, a Dark Shotokan of unknown
origin.

- Group III are chased world-wide by an upgraded version of Dulcinea
(inflated to approx Rank 7). Oh how they loath that bitch...

* Ad hoc to backgrounds: Encourage weird backgrounds. "My mother was
raped by a dragon, gave birth to me and died. I was raised by Shaolin
monks and had a natural aptitude with breathing fire." may sound off the
wall but hell, why not?

- He could be plain crazy. This is easily used by letting other players
in on the plot and twist the poor player's perception of the world
surrounding him. What would he do if he suddenly found the parents who
left at the monastary gate?

- What exactly is a dragon? Could it be a Shokanite from from Outworld
who decided to have a bit of fun? Does the confused fighter try to find
his parent in Outworld?

- Who says the Chinese dragons don't exist? (Beside common sense, proof
of fake bones, the dubious status of legends etc) If that is the case,
where to they dwell? I would strongly suggest some semi-dimension which
can be accessed at certain places with certain mystical paraphernalia.

Conclusion: Weird backgrounds are very interresting, not to mention
funny ("But my father IS a real dragon! I've got a photo! What do you
mean 'that could be anything'? It's a damn dragon! I'm telling you!!!").

* Paint the Chronicle in a certain color. Group A always seem to be
ploughing through jungle, group 2 tend to be in the mountainous areas of
the world and group III still remain to leave the big cities. You get
what I'm trying to say?

* Ideas for Chronicles that have passed my mind:

- Basic anti Shadoloo campaign. Always tend to be something personal
involved. Why not make the characters mercenaries, caring dick from
start but getting increasingly involved. Why not put a desperate brand
on the Chronicle? As soon as the characters really begin to like an NPC,
he/she dies or is kdnapped and tortured. Watch the players' faces as
they open the box to find not a bomb but their contact's head. I know.
I'm cruel.

- Basic tournament campaign. They players want to reach the TOP. Blends
well with personal vendettas and background abuse. Or why not do an
Elvis? Let the characters make it. A bit too far even. Let the players
get jaded. Then have a second player group or NPC:s bring the
characters' dream to an abrupt end. It's also very fun to let the poor
knuckleheads be Shadoloo dupes. This is very easy as most teams from
this category really like, respect and appreciate their manager. Again:
I know I'm cruel.

- Basic mix of the two above. No comments.

- Ex bad-guys. Either real Shadoloo thugs who live on the run as
renegades or common criminals. I found the movie Heat to be a good
source of inspiration. Imagine a bank robbing crew who gets thrashed by
a single Rank 5 fighter. They'll be itching for revenge but to get it
they need skills, martial art skills. Note that in my twisted brain
criminals aren't necssarily dishonorable. They're just... well,
criminal. This Chronicle should begin with fighter characters though.
Some hybrid from any WoD game should be required. Whatever...

- Mystical campaign. The characters meet fairies, goblins, dragons and
the like, not every day, but at least twice a week. This sounds like a
good crossover with Mage. I've never actually played the game in
question but maybe... Remember though, I do not like WoD/SF crossovers!
Dark Stalkers also springs to mind by the way.

- REAL bad-guys. Nice as a change maybe. Mixed with background abuse and
some moral problems it should works as an in-between Chronicle.

- Politics. Why not let the Native American run for Senator in Arizona
or someting similar? It's just a thought.


I think that will have to sum it up for the moment. I'll get back
concerning the moves...

If I ever post a homepage, full stats for the characters from my
Chronicle will be posted. Maybe along with some 50 NPC fighters... Just
maybe.

Kristofer

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---"Morgado, Mike" <MMorgado@...> wrote:

>
> First off I would like to say thanks to everybody on this list.

Street

> Fighter is one of my favourite games and for awhile I was completely

out

> of it. But due to the enthusiasm and intelligent posts from this

list I

> am completely 100% back into the Street Fighter game. I also want to
> wish everybody a Happy New Year (if you celebrate it).
>
> Also would anyone be interested in chatting in a IRC chat room for
> Street Fighter?
>
> MikeM
>

Sure. sounds like fun :)

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Hey mike, here's some Martial Arts Games (and supplements)

Ninjas & Superspies (Palladium) 2 Editions (add to this all the Teenage
mutant ninja turtle books)
TWERPS (the worlds easiest. . .) Kung Fu Dragons
Maritial Arts Hero or the Compleat Martial Artist (Hero Games)
GURPS Martial Arts 2 editions
Rolemaster: Martial Arts
Feng Shui
Hong Kong Action Cinema

Anyone think of any others?

RMR

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heh. the only thing I have to add is that I generally let the course of
the campaign spring from the players' characters and action. what
happens initially causes the rest to be set. For example, we've just
begun a new campaign with two "generic fighter guys", an artist with an
attorney ally based on Dr. Gonzo from "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas",
and a cat hybrid trained in ninjitsu by United Enforcement. The cat
will be especially interesting, as he is only a two-dotter, does not
know he's a hybrid experiment, and certaintly doesn't know his
sensei/manager is a UE-sponsored trainer who is guiding the experiment
to see if he can function on his own, undetectable by society. If not,
well, he'll have to be destroyed. If so, he'll be running corporate
sabotage missions when he matures.

Anyway, what's gone down so far is pretty generic; after a tournament in
South America, the team was hired by well-known adventurer, Lara Croft,
due to her need for extra muscle on her next dungeon-delving
experiment. Seems her hotel room was trashed and a giant red Japanese
symbol painted on the wall. A warning, perhaps? Upon reaching the
Mayan temple she planned to raid, the group not only had to contend with
ancient traps, but mysterious, mystic ninja-like figures who fought like
hell and exploded into clouds of dust when they died. Hmmm...

Anyway (again), these mystic assassins proved to be too much for our
team, and got away with the huge gem Lara was after. Where will the
team go now? What will they do? Well, one of the fighters is miffed
because he went down first every fight. (Ninja tend to ambush people
and take them down quickly. He got separated, soo...) Therefore he is
going to search for a better sensei. The cat will be seeking
tournaments. And the Kung Fu Guy wants to round out his Focus
abilities, seeing as how his Ice Blast worked really well...

Also, if you follow the link on SF Central for Interesting Characters
(I'll put it on my links page too in case anyone misses it), I've got a
slow-to-get-started character site in development. Rather than posting
all your characters on a second site, why not submit them to mine? :)

Kristofer Lundstrom wrote:

>
> Hello again.
>
> Hope you enjoyed the beginning of the new year. Etc.
>
> Two topics have been discussed lately which both interrest me. Campaigns
> and new moves.
>
> I love starting new campaigns. Many years back I juggled, say... five
> campaigns at a time. Needless to say, the result wasn't that very
> satisfying... Now I do my very best to play only one (1) game at a time.
> And that one game turned out to become SF.
>
> SF wasn't actually my choice. It was my players'. We took a vote on what
> game we should play for that summer only, me and three players. All my
> other "regular" players being out of town or abroad etc. My vote went to
> GURPS, some space story if I can remember correctly. My dear players
> however thought SF sounded like the right thing to do. Kicking people's
> butts and so on. My first thought was naturally: "What the ... have I
> gotten into...?"
>
> But here I am, 18 months later. Still sailing strong. More than 20
> Stories of varying quality behind me. Three different groups of players
> (about to start a 4th...). But damn, it's fun!
>
> I think I popped somthin' about Chronicles some weeks ago but I don't
> think I said that much of importance then. What I deem important when
> starting up is however the following:
>
> * The Storyteller should have a vague idea how the whole Chronicle
> should look before it even starts. Odd maybe, but my experience tells me
> it's a good idea. I can't say I've ever followed my own advice though.
> Group 4 is propably the first group to suffer.
>
> * Make sure the characters are more than fighting machines. It sounds
> basic but it can never be pointed out enough. A shortcut to this is to
> make sure all characters has an occupation or the equivalent, letting
> the fighter be formed by the human and not the other way around. Let me
> pop the some examples. All the characters from my Chronicle:
>
> * The Crusaders * (group A)
>
> - Jones Jonsson, standard Kung Fu freak. Half chinese, father dead,
> possibly killed by Shadoloo. 19 years old. Not a good example...
> bygones.
>
> - John Landis (we now), ex. FBI-agent. Caused the death of his own
> sister by pushing a case a bit too far. Bitter, vendictive (Shadoloo of
> course) and ambitious. A bit "classic" but agents always work. They also
> tend to grab every damn roleplaying point :-)
>
> - Ragnar Jonsson, lumberjack. Ex soldier. Heavyweight boxer who never
> bothered to compete. Lives (currently: lived) isolated in a cottage
> somewhere outside Duluth. Has a wolf companion ("It's not a dog, it's a
> wolf" and "I want 50 lbs of meat for my wolf" are both legendary by
> now).
>
> These fellows are all related to one another. Ragnar's sister is Jones'
> mother and John is Ragnar's cousin. Ragnar and John's parents (different
> parents that is) are LOADED with $, being judges, company presidents and
> son on. The only one in the team not drawing cash from family funds is
> Ragnar who has never gotten along with his parents.
>
> * Spirits of the Crimson Dawn * (group 2)
>
> - Mike Cougar, Native Indian walking in T. Hawk's footsteps. Originally
> a trucker fighting on the side to earn some extra cash. Accompanied by
> his dog and Sarah "Wildbreeze", a 13-year old orphin, appointed to him
> be his Apache tribe. This is a funny character, but mostly because of
> the player and not the character.
>
> - Derek Chang, Chinese triad member. See Big Trouble in Little China for
> details. Energetic. Practitioner of his family's ancient acrobatic Kung
> Fu (ie Wu Shu). Calls on the aid of his triad more often than he should
> but it works out.
>
> - James Horn, Kabaddi, writer of Yoga books. Original touch. Below 5'
> tall. Not much more to say. Could be better.
>
> This is a strict tournament team, brought together by their manager
> Curly Mitchells-Cit, a Shadoloo employee but the Spirits don't know
> that...
>
> * Venomine Renegades * (group III)
>
> We know "venomine" isn't a real word.
>
> - Alexander Bates, ex bounty-hunter, ex Shadoloo hitman, Ler Drit. This
> is a character! Currently on the run like the rest of the team. Rough
> childhood, no parents left alive (can't remeber if he killed them...
> hm), cynical and cold. Used to do anything for money. Currently trying
> to build some Honor. This is a good character, provided the Storyteller
> deems it OK to use Ler Drit.
>
> - Chan-Yen-Bao, Shaolin monk who broke his master's neck and fled the
> temple. "Accident" is a description which is slightly too forgiving.
> Worked for a Shadoloo triad in USA for some time. Has had a strong
> mental aspect since day 1 (Focus 4). He's played by a guy with a strong
> interrest in Kung Fu so currently he's teaching me.
>
> - Michael Rodriguez, half Swede/Spaniard, one of Vega's ninja. Broke
> with Shadoloo when his conscience suddenly revived itself. A real slick
> guy.
>
> This entire team are ex Shadoloo henchmen, thus spending most of their
> time on the run. I have also introduced a lot of mystic aspects into
> this third of the Chronicle. Quite a lot of Mortal Kombat too.
>
> OK. The team presentation became a bit long.
>
> * Always use the characters' backgrounds! If a character had a grudge
> with a superior officer while in 'nam, that officer has surely joined
> Shadoloo and is currently running drugs off Thailand. If a character has
> flattened someone to get even, that someone WILL return with a bunch of
> likeminded to kick ass. Deep down the players expect these things to
> happen. Make it come true.
>
> * Drop hints in Story 1 and 2. Let them lead to something in Story 4 or
> 5. Make sure the hints aren't too obvious though. But also make sure
> they aren't TOO subtle. It's a fine line. One trick is to present the
> clues in a way that they seem important for the Story at hand, catching
> the players' attention. When they later turn out to lead nowhere the
> players will almost forget them. Use the almost.
>
> * Make up the players personal arch-villain. I have always considered M.
> Bison, Akuma etc to be sort of "taken". But I know others haven't, so...
>
> - Group A are haunted by Luis LaCroix, a French Ler Drit, one of Bison's
> price-pupils and the Boss of Paris. The players did however lose respect
> for this guy after Ragnar dizzied him with Jab and he went out of order
> directly after.
>
> - Group 2 had a run in with Dai Immaru, a Dark Shotokan of unknown
> origin.
>
> - Group III are chased world-wide by an upgraded version of Dulcinea
> (inflated to approx Rank 7). Oh how they loath that bitch...
>
> * Ad hoc to backgrounds: Encourage weird backgrounds. "My mother was
> raped by a dragon, gave birth to me and died. I was raised by Shaolin
> monks and had a natural aptitude with breathing fire." may sound off the
> wall but hell, why not?
>
> - He could be plain crazy. This is easily used by letting other players
> in on the plot and twist the poor player's perception of the world
> surrounding him. What would he do if he suddenly found the parents who
> left at the monastary gate?
>
> - What exactly is a dragon? Could it be a Shokanite from from Outworld
> who decided to have a bit of fun? Does the confused fighter try to find
> his parent in Outworld?
>
> - Who says the Chinese dragons don't exist? (Beside common sense, proof
> of fake bones, the dubious status of legends etc) If that is the case,
> where to they dwell? I would strongly suggest some semi-dimension which
> can be accessed at certain places with certain mystical paraphernalia.
>
> Conclusion: Weird backgrounds are very interresting, not to mention
> funny ("But my father IS a real dragon! I've got a photo! What do you
> mean 'that could be anything'? It's a damn dragon! I'm telling you!!!").
>
> * Paint the Chronicle in a certain color. Group A always seem to be
> ploughing through jungle, group 2 tend to be in the mountainous areas of
> the world and group III still remain to leave the big cities. You get
> what I'm trying to say?
>
> * Ideas for Chronicles that have passed my mind:
>
> - Basic anti Shadoloo campaign. Always tend to be something personal
> involved. Why not make the characters mercenaries, caring dick from
> start but getting increasingly involved. Why not put a desperate brand
> on the Chronicle? As soon as the characters really begin to like an NPC,
> he/she dies or is kdnapped and tortured. Watch the players' faces as
> they open the box to find not a bomb but their contact's head. I know.
> I'm cruel.
>
> - Basic tournament campaign. They players want to reach the TOP. Blends
> well with personal vendettas and background abuse. Or why not do an
> Elvis? Let the characters make it. A bit too far even. Let the players
> get jaded. Then have a second player group or NPC:s bring the
> characters' dream to an abrupt end. It's also very fun to let the poor
> knuckleheads be Shadoloo dupes. This is very easy as most teams from
> this category really like, respect and appreciate their manager. Again:
> I know I'm cruel.
>
> - Basic mix of the two above. No comments.
>
> - Ex bad-guys. Either real Shadoloo thugs who live on the run as
> renegades or common criminals. I found the movie Heat to be a good
> source of inspiration. Imagine a bank robbing crew who gets thrashed by
> a single Rank 5 fighter. They'll be itching for revenge but to get it
> they need skills, martial art skills. Note that in my twisted brain
> criminals aren't necssarily dishonorable. They're just... well,
> criminal. This Chronicle should begin with fighter characters though.
> Some hybrid from any WoD game should be required. Whatever...
>
> - Mystical campaign. The characters meet fairies, goblins, dragons and
> the like, not every day, but at least twice a week. This sounds like a
> good crossover with Mage. I've never actually played the game in
> question but maybe... Remember though, I do not like WoD/SF crossovers!
> Dark Stalkers also springs to mind by the way.
>
> - REAL bad-guys. Nice as a change maybe. Mixed with background abuse and
> some moral problems it should works as an in-between Chronicle.
>
> - Politics. Why not let the Native American run for Senator in Arizona
> or someting similar? It's just a thought.
>
> I think that will have to sum it up for the moment. I'll get back
> concerning the moves...
>
> If I ever post a homepage, full stats for the characters from my
> Chronicle will be posted. Maybe along with some 50 NPC fighters... Just
> maybe.
>
> Kristofer
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there's the Complete Ninja's Handbook for 2nd Ed. AD&D and Oriental
Adventures for 1st...

Ryan M Rich wrote:

>
> Hey mike, here's some Martial Arts Games (and supplements)
>
> Ninjas & Superspies (Palladium) 2 Editions (add to this all the Teenage
> mutant ninja turtle books)
> TWERPS (the worlds easiest. . .) Kung Fu Dragons
> Maritial Arts Hero or the Compleat Martial Artist (Hero Games)
> GURPS Martial Arts 2 editions
> Rolemaster: Martial Arts
> Feng Shui
> Hong Kong Action Cinema
>
> Anyone think of any others?
>
> RMR
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don't we already have a chat room on one of the pages?

Morgado, Mike wrote:

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> First off I would like to say thanks to everybody on this list. Street
> Fighter is one of my favourite games and for awhile I was completely out
> of it. But due to the enthusiasm and intelligent posts from this list I
> am completely 100% back into the Street Fighter game. I also want to
> wish everybody a Happy New Year (if you celebrate it).
>
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After finally using Ninjitsu heavily in a recent game, I have come upon
a puzzler regarding Death's Visage that I just can't decide on.

The text for the maneuver states that "It is a Sustained Action, similar
to a Sustained Hold". I would think, therefore, that it requires the
ninja to maintain the effect every round he wants the subjects to flee.

However, it also says that if someone loses the contested roll, they
must "get as far away from the ninja as possible" for three turns.

So;

Does the ninja need to maintain the Visage, and it merely can be
maintained for three turns? Or does the effect last three turns, and
the ninja merely need activate it for one round for the desired effect?

I'm thinking of going with the ninja needing to maintain it every round,
for a maximum of three rounds. Otherwise it just seems too powerful.
Thoughts?

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to clarify;

I need to know if the maneuver *activation* lasts for three turns, or
the maneuver *effect* does. So if I hit someone with a Visage (one
round), do they then have to flee for up to three turns, making
contested rolls each turn, or do I have to keep the Visage 'up' for each
round I want them to flee?

Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen wrote:

>
> After finally using Ninjitsu heavily in a recent game, I have come upon
> a puzzler regarding Death's Visage that I just can't decide on.
>
> The text for the maneuver states that "It is a Sustained Action, similar
> to a Sustained Hold". I would think, therefore, that it requires the
> ninja to maintain the effect every round he wants the subjects to flee.
>
> However, it also says that if someone loses the contested roll, they
> must "get as far away from the ninja as possible" for three turns.
>
> So;
>
> Does the ninja need to maintain the Visage, and it merely can be
> maintained for three turns? Or does the effect last three turns, and
> the ninja merely need activate it for one round for the desired effect?
>
> I'm thinking of going with the ninja needing to maintain it every round,
> for a maximum of three rounds. Otherwise it just seems too powerful.
> Thoughts?
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I didnt think we did. I looked for one over the holiday weekend and
didnt find one. Thats what made me think of starting one. But hey, if
someone already has one, can they point the rest of us in that general
direction?

Thanks

MikeM

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> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Thanks and Happy New Year and chat
> room
>
> don't we already have a chat room on one of the pages?
>
> Morgado, Mike wrote:
> >
> > First off I would like to say thanks to everybody on this list.
> Street
> > Fighter is one of my favourite games and for awhile I was
> completely out
> > of it. But due to the enthusiasm and intelligent posts from this
> list I
> > am completely 100% back into the Street Fighter game. I also want
> to
> > wish everybody a Happy New Year (if you celebrate it).
> >
> > Also would anyone be interested in chatting in a IRC chat room for
> > Street Fighter?
> >
> > MikeM
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>Generally, what my own group does is that they start with a standard
>game
>(normally Vampire, from a Cammarilla angle) and if someone wants to
>play
>something else, try to work it in. (Some of the better players working
>their
>characters around the game rather than trying to force us to do the
>reverse).

I think thats the best way to do it too.

>The two itemes I perhaps have the most problems with are mechanical in
>nature.
>Especially with the newer Combat rules in VtM Revised. (Some of which
>looks
>good, others of which don't quite from an SF perspective.)

What rules did you notice that were different (have'nt read the whole
Vamp2 book) and don't know the new line (heard necromancy is like
Thaumturgy now thought, which is really cool) Death rituals!!!!

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I'd say that the ninja rolls once and victim must flee for three rounds,
Ninja may go about business as usual.

ie:
effect: 3 rounds
activation: 1 round

On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:47:46 -0500 "Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen"
<skarsten@...> writes:

>to clarify;
>
>I need to know if the maneuver *activation* lasts for three turns, or
>the maneuver *effect* does. So if I hit someone with a Visage (one
>round), do they then have to flee for up to three turns, making
>contested rolls each turn, or do I have to keep the Visage 'up' for
>each
>round I want them to flee?
>
>Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen wrote:
>>
>> After finally using Ninjitsu heavily in a recent game, I have come
>upon
>> a puzzler regarding Death's Visage that I just can't decide on.
>>
>> The text for the maneuver states that "It is a Sustained Action,
>similar
>> to a Sustained Hold". I would think, therefore, that it requires
>the
>> ninja to maintain the effect every round he wants the subjects to
>flee.
>>
>> However, it also says that if someone loses the contested roll,
>they
>> must "get as far away from the ninja as possible" for three turns.
>>
>> So;
>>
>> Does the ninja need to maintain the Visage, and it merely can be
>> maintained for three turns? Or does the effect last three turns,
>and
>> the ninja merely need activate it for one round for the desired
>effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking of going with the ninja needing to maintain it every
>round,
>> for a maximum of three rounds. Otherwise it just seems too
>powerful.
>> Thoughts?
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WoD and Street Fighter mix OK.

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:24:54 -0200 "REMO DISCONZI"
<Smash@...> writes:

>> Well, in one of the previous E-mail's, it mentioned "purists" for SF
>&
>WoD vs
>> those who mixed the two.
>>
>> Now the question is, how much effort do some feel it is worth and
>which
>parts
>> of the systems would be taken and tossed?
>
> I mix WoD and SF almost all the time, specially the Abilities part.
>You
>see, SF has no such skills like Etiquette or Performance, which
>combat-oriented only characters do not miss, but other kinds of
>characters
>need it and it's not available in SF books.
>
>> I'd figure that Abilities would jump across fairly well.
>
> You're right.

There are quite a few abilities they left out from Street Fighter, like
Lingustics(Japanese, chinese mandarin, cantonese, filipino, etc, etc,
etc) Performance (Dance, Acting, Pretty martial arts demonstrations, etc)
Ettiquette, Expression, Animal Ken.

>> How about the Lotus line? (Kindred of the East, Demon Hunter X,
>etc.)
>
> The Lotus line is another thing which could be used quite well, and
>also,
>Kuei Jin could be good enemies for the street fighters.
>
>> Psi Powers, Hedge Magic, True Faith or Qiao?
>
> I already use True Faith in my games, but I only used it for 2 NPC
>which
>fought a particular Style, unavailable to player characters.

The Chi powers from the orient are great, I was thinking to make a few
'discipline/path' like powers for Street Fighters use. The elemental come
to mind, maybe they should get path like powers, small flame, large
flame, bonfire, conflagration. with some maneuvers having path
requrements of a certian level, turning yourslef into the Human torch may
require a Fire path 4, while throwing it only requires a 2. The ghost
flame and earth power (penangollans) would work great, Dhalsim would have
a rival other than Silat practitioners

>> Personally, I laregly started in SF because, quite simply... it was
>the
>> closest I could get to making a "normal" human for a WoD game at the
>time.
>> (Hard to pick up books and found it in a bargain bin.)
>>
>> Of course, now I have all of WoD's Hunter & Ally books, and while
>the
>Focus
>> powers can be a bit unbalancing.... it largely depends on who
>they're
>being
>> used against. Haven't really done alot of "play testing" between
>them,
>which
>> may be what I'm looking for. (Although Blind Fighting and Animal
>Companion
>> have found their way into a WoD game or two.)
>>
>>
>> If anyone managed to read through that mish mash of random thoughts,
>> congradulations and thank you for your patience.
>
>-Remo

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I'm looking for a netbook called Warrior's World. Does anyone have it,
or know where to get it?

-TH
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Meanwhile, in his hellish dominion, Satan cursed. The damned were
weeping in unrestrained joy, and his fearsome horde of daemons wouldn't
respond to his commands. Instead, they had both independently formed
opposing lines, and began a completely unstructured and uncoordinated
battle. Battle? No, more like a raging mob.

"Those $#@% &*@# @$#@$%#@$#! First snowball fight, and they won't
let me join in!" he muttered, as he shook his fist at the One Above.

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Initiative is done differently now. I believe its Wits + Dex + 1d10. So
if you got a Wits of 3, a Dex of 2 (Hey these arent Street Fighters you
know :) and roll a 7, your initiative would be 12.
Also additional success add to damage for everything now..not just
firearms (YAY!!!!!)
Necromancy is indeed more like Thaumaturgy. And some of the disciplines
have been changed I believe. And I believe swords and that all have a
set target number now...but I cant recall. Lots of nifty changes I
think.

MikeM

> What rules did you notice that were different (have'nt read the whole
> Vamp2 book) and don't know the new line (heard necromancy is like
> Thaumturgy now thought, which is really cool) Death rituals!!!!
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OK... I don't mean to be annyoing know but this is the SF mailing
circle. Not the WoD. The reason I'm cranky is because I don't play any
WoD games, naturally.

Answer to Steve:

Characters on one big list on one big homepage? My idea!!! You prick!
But OK, It would save me the trouble and besides, I haven't got a
homepage of my own for the time being. When do you want the characters?
And:

* In what format?
* What kind of info on each character?
- Just stats?
- How much background?
- Move sheets? (like the ones found in Secrets of Shadoloo for the
two teams, all moves including traits)
* Er...

Answer to whoever:

Warrior's World... I've got it on paper but that's it. Sooowy. Am
currently working on a homepage though and I will quote the Warrior's
World concerning some rules, like Proficiencies, Rage and a few odd
things more.

General Answer:

NO! WoD and SF doesn't mix! What some people refer to is the use of
*Storytelling rules* in SF. Not *WoD* in SF. The Sf rules are somewhat
lacking in some areas. Then use the rules from White Wolf's other games
by all means! But I'm still VERY opposed to crossovers.

THE Answer:

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now that I think about it, that seems more likely... especially since
all those "within sight" of the ninja must flee, but then once fleeing
(if you have to maintain the power) they're no longer really in sight of
the ninja, are they?

righto. I'll use that. it's the way I was doing it until I started
thinking anyway. the moral of the story? thinking is bad.

Ryan M Rich wrote:

>
> I'd say that the ninja rolls once and victim must flee for three rounds,
> Ninja may go about business as usual.
>
> ie:
> effect: 3 rounds
> activation: 1 round
>
> On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:47:46 -0500 "Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen"
> <skarsten@...> writes:
> >to clarify;
> >
> >I need to know if the maneuver *activation* lasts for three turns, or
> >the maneuver *effect* does. So if I hit someone with a Visage (one
> >round), do they then have to flee for up to three turns, making
> >contested rolls each turn, or do I have to keep the Visage 'up' for
> >each
> >round I want them to flee?
> >
> >Steve 'Doom Trooper' Karstensen wrote:
> >>
> >> After finally using Ninjitsu heavily in a recent game, I have come
> >upon
> >> a puzzler regarding Death's Visage that I just can't decide on.
> >>
> >> The text for the maneuver states that "It is a Sustained Action,
> >similar
> >> to a Sustained Hold". I would think, therefore, that it requires
> >the
> >> ninja to maintain the effect every round he wants the subjects to
> >flee.
> >>
> >> However, it also says that if someone loses the contested roll,
> >they
> >> must "get as far away from the ninja as possible" for three turns.
> >>
> >> So;
> >>
> >> Does the ninja need to maintain the Visage, and it merely can be
> >> maintained for three turns? Or does the effect last three turns,
> >and
> >> the ninja merely need activate it for one round for the desired
> >effect?
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of going with the ninja needing to maintain it every
> >round,
> >> for a maximum of three rounds. Otherwise it just seems too
> >powerful.
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
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