Ok so you let them go to 10 but what if somebody is
playing a 4th generation vampire in the game. Yea I
know that's a really high generation vampite it's not
my charcter. Anyway they can fo to 8 normally or base
i'm not sure but how high could it go.

--- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:

> I really don't have a problem with characters
> reaching whatever, providing
> they can actually afford it, and give me a pretty
> good explanation. Even a
> 10 is not beyond reach, through experience only mind
> you, but guaranteed
> they will suck at everything else, not to mention
> they had better been hit
> by a green meteor or something. For games of this
> level, streetfighter genre
> included, I would prefer to use Champions new
> Millennium. Where you can make
> up your own special maneuvers and chi abilities,
> while having a greater
> range of potential than storyteller can provide on
> it's own.
>
> -- Chris B
>
>
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> >To: streetfighter@...
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Charcters Stats
> >Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 3:29 AM
> >
>
> > i was wondering about how high do most of the stat
> get in your games
> > i.e. is there an upper limit not human mind you
> but i mean what player
> > charcters can go to and if there is what is it?
> >
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Since I have been filling this newsgroup with fluff, hre is something that I
find useful when creating NPCs and doing conversions. It is a list of what
the stats are for the World Warriors according to White Wolf. The idea is
actually from the Illuminati:NWO site where they use France as a baseline to
determine appropriate power rating for different new groups "You mean the
Gold Fish Fanciers are more powerful than France?". So now when we do
conversions we can say "You mean Urkel the Nerd Warrior is stronger than
Zangief?"

Strength
1
2
3
4 Dhalsim, Cammy, Vega (American)
5 Blanka, Fei Long, Ken, Ryu, Guile, Dee Jay, Chun Li
6 T. Hawk, E. Honda, Balrog (American), M. Bison (American)
7 Zangief
8


Dexterity
1
2 Zangief
3 Dhalsim, Balrog (American)
4 T. Hawk
5 Blanka, Ken, Ryu, Guile, E. Honda, Dee Jay
6 Fei Long, Cammy, M. Bison (American)
7 Chun Li, Vega (American)
8

Stamina
1
2
3
4 Fei Long, Cammy
5 Blanka, Dhalsim, Ken, Ryu, Guile, Dee Jay, Chun Li , Vega (American)
6 T. Hawk, Balrog (American), M. Bison (American)
7 Zangief, E. Honda
8

Charisma
1 Balrog (American)
2
3 Blanka, Zangief, Ken, M. Bison (American)
4 Dhalsim, Guile, E. Honda, Chun Li, Vega (American)
5 Fei Long, T. Hawk, Ryu, Cammy
6 Dee Jay
7
8

Manipulation
1 Blanka, Zangief
2 Dhalsim
3 Fei Long, T. Hawk, Ryu, E. Honda, Dee Jay, Chun Li, Balrog (American)
4 Cammy
5 Ken, Guile, Vega (American)
6
7 M. Bison (American)
8

Appearance
1 Blanka, Balrog (American)
2 Dhalsim, Zangief
3 E. Honda, M. Bison (American)
4 T. Hawk, Ryu, Dee Jay
5 Fei Long, Ken, Guile, Chun Li
6 Cammy
7 Vega (American)
8

Perception
1
2 Balrog (American)
3 Zangief, Dee Jay, M. Bison (American)
4 Fei Long, Ken, Guile, E. Honda, Chun Li
5 Dhalsim, T. Hawk, Ryu, Cammy, Vega (American)
6 Blanka
7
8

Intelligence
1
2 Balrog (American)
3 Blanka, T. Hawk, Zangief, Guile, Cammy
4 Fei Long, Ken, E. Honda, Dee Jay, Chun Li, Vega (American)
5 Ryu
6 Dhalsim, M. Bison (American)
7
8

Wits
1
2 Balrog (American)
3 Zangief, E. Honda
4 Blanka, T. Hawk, Ken, Guile, Cammy, Dee Jay, Chun Li
5 Fei Long, Ryu, Vega (American)
6 Dhalsim, M. Bison (American)
7
8

****

Here is how I would apply it to the current arguement over Batman's stats

Strength : 5

Batman would (to me) probably be a match for Dee Jay in an arm wrestling
match but I doubt he could beat E. Honda

Dexterity : 6

Batman is way dexterious but I could imagine Chun Li and Vega as being faster

Stamina : 7, maybe 8

Batman takes all sorts of punishment and just keeps going. I feel he could
hang with just about anyone in this area

Charisma : 4

I would say Batman is most similar to Chun Li is their goals (Batman is
avenging the death of his parents on criminals, Chun Li is avenging the death
of her father on criminals, particularly M. Bison). Since both are similarly
obsessed, they both probably make similar impressions on people.

Manipulation : 5

Batman and Ken are both rich and know how to use influence, so I give them
both the same score.

Appearance : 5

Batman is up there with movie stars like Fei Long and babes like Chun Li, but
I don't think he rates in pure gorgeousness like Vega (according to the game,
anyhow, I really don't feel qualifed to judge male beauty, since, well, I
don't particularly find men attractive, you know)

Perception : 5

Up there with professional assassins like Cammy and Vega, but not quite up to
the animal instincts of Blanka

Intelligence : 8

Since Batman is one of the very top of his universe in terms of his
intelligence (as far as I can tell from what is said about him in comics and
such) he should get an 8. Anyhow, I would assume he is smarter than Dhalsim
and M. Bison. If we _must_ argue about this, may we at least confine the
discussion it to who among the list his intelligence is comparable too?

Wits : 7, maybe 8

Since none of the World Warriors is particularly known for their wits and
Batman is, I assume that his wits score is higher than all of them.

OK, lots of room for discussion and disagreement here. Any comments?

The Amazing Sorochinski

No comment from me, I've already made an excellent case on the Batman crap,
and it still stands. (no offence)


-- Chris B


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>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Baseline Character Stats
>Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 8:01 PM
>

> Since I have been filling this newsgroup with fluff, hre is something that I
> find useful when creating NPCs and doing conversions. It is a list of what
> the stats are for the World Warriors according to White Wolf. The idea is
> actually from the Illuminati:NWO site where they use France as a baseline to
> determine appropriate power rating for different new groups "You mean the
> Gold Fish Fanciers are more powerful than France?". So now when we do
> conversions we can say "You mean Urkel the Nerd Warrior is stronger than
> Zangief?"
>
> Strength
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4 Dhalsim, Cammy, Vega (American)
> 5 Blanka, Fei Long, Ken, Ryu, Guile, Dee Jay, Chun Li
> 6 T. Hawk, E. Honda, Balrog (American), M. Bison (American)
> 7 Zangief
> 8
>
>
> Dexterity
> 1
> 2 Zangief
> 3 Dhalsim, Balrog (American)
> 4 T. Hawk
> 5 Blanka, Ken, Ryu, Guile, E. Honda, Dee Jay
> 6 Fei Long, Cammy, M. Bison (American)
> 7 Chun Li, Vega (American)
> 8
>
> Stamina
> 1
> 2
> 3
> 4 Fei Long, Cammy
> 5 Blanka, Dhalsim, Ken, Ryu, Guile, Dee Jay, Chun Li , Vega (American)
> 6 T. Hawk, Balrog (American), M. Bison (American)
> 7 Zangief, E. Honda
> 8
>
> Charisma
> 1 Balrog (American)
> 2
> 3 Blanka, Zangief, Ken, M. Bison (American)
> 4 Dhalsim, Guile, E. Honda, Chun Li, Vega (American)
> 5 Fei Long, T. Hawk, Ryu, Cammy
> 6 Dee Jay
> 7
> 8
>
> Manipulation
> 1 Blanka, Zangief
> 2 Dhalsim
> 3 Fei Long, T. Hawk, Ryu, E. Honda, Dee Jay, Chun Li, Balrog (American)
> 4 Cammy
> 5 Ken, Guile, Vega (American)
> 6
> 7 M. Bison (American)
> 8
>
> Appearance
> 1 Blanka, Balrog (American)
> 2 Dhalsim, Zangief
> 3 E. Honda, M. Bison (American)
> 4 T. Hawk, Ryu, Dee Jay
> 5 Fei Long, Ken, Guile, Chun Li
> 6 Cammy
> 7 Vega (American)
> 8
>
> Perception
> 1
> 2 Balrog (American)
> 3 Zangief, Dee Jay, M. Bison (American)
> 4 Fei Long, Ken, Guile, E. Honda, Chun Li
> 5 Dhalsim, T. Hawk, Ryu, Cammy, Vega (American)
> 6 Blanka
> 7
> 8
>
> Intelligence
> 1
> 2 Balrog (American)
> 3 Blanka, T. Hawk, Zangief, Guile, Cammy
> 4 Fei Long, Ken, E. Honda, Dee Jay, Chun Li, Vega (American)
> 5 Ryu
> 6 Dhalsim, M. Bison (American)
> 7
> 8
>
> Wits
> 1
> 2 Balrog (American)
> 3 Zangief, E. Honda
> 4 Blanka, T. Hawk, Ken, Guile, Cammy, Dee Jay, Chun Li
> 5 Fei Long, Ryu, Vega (American)
> 6 Dhalsim, M. Bison (American)
> 7
> 8
>
> ****
>
> Here is how I would apply it to the current arguement over Batman's stats
>
> Strength : 5
>
> Batman would (to me) probably be a match for Dee Jay in an arm wrestling
> match but I doubt he could beat E. Honda
>
> Dexterity : 6
>
> Batman is way dexterious but I could imagine Chun Li and Vega as being faster
>
> Stamina : 7, maybe 8
>
> Batman takes all sorts of punishment and just keeps going. I feel he could
> hang with just about anyone in this area
>
> Charisma : 4
>
> I would say Batman is most similar to Chun Li is their goals (Batman is
> avenging the death of his parents on criminals, Chun Li is avenging the death
> of her father on criminals, particularly M. Bison). Since both are similarly
> obsessed, they both probably make similar impressions on people.
>
> Manipulation : 5
>
> Batman and Ken are both rich and know how to use influence, so I give them
> both the same score.
>
> Appearance : 5
>
> Batman is up there with movie stars like Fei Long and babes like Chun Li, but
> I don't think he rates in pure gorgeousness like Vega (according to the game,
> anyhow, I really don't feel qualifed to judge male beauty, since, well, I
> don't particularly find men attractive, you know)
>
> Perception : 5
>
> Up there with professional assassins like Cammy and Vega, but not quite up to
> the animal instincts of Blanka
>
> Intelligence : 8
>
> Since Batman is one of the very top of his universe in terms of his
> intelligence (as far as I can tell from what is said about him in comics and
> such) he should get an 8. Anyhow, I would assume he is smarter than Dhalsim
> and M. Bison. If we _must_ argue about this, may we at least confine the
> discussion it to who among the list his intelligence is comparable too?
>
> Wits : 7, maybe 8
>
> Since none of the World Warriors is particularly known for their wits and
> Batman is, I assume that his wits score is higher than all of them.
>
> OK, lots of room for discussion and disagreement here. Any comments?
>
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In a message dated 10/8/99 5:27:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< No comment from me, I've already made an excellent case on the Batman crap,
and it still stands. (no offence) >>

Well, I kind of added the Batman stuff to give an example of how the list
could be used. I was looking more for comments on the idea of comparing
stats to existing characters as a way of determine appropriate value.

Come on, I _know_ you want to comment...

The Amazing Sorochinski

Cartweel kick is used by Jetta fom eternal champions
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:30 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Poll resutls..

>Well it looks like we have a LOT of experienced gamers on this list, which
>makes me beg to wonder if I'm the only young'un on the list..... I was born
>20/70/81 which puts me at 18 now...
>Ahh well. I musn't be as weel cultured a RP'er then.. Althoguth i have been
>with SF:tSTG since day one.
>
>As far as the 7 people who voted in teh poll (thanx) here are the results
>after roughly a week.
>
>The poll in now free for anyone who wants to use it.....if not I shall use
>it as I WISH!!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA!!!
><Temporary influx o' psycho power>
>
>"Here are the results of the vote:
>
>1. I think that both moves have their place in the game 1
>2. Cartwheel Kick? Is that in any of the video games? 2
>3. Change the Stats on Cart Kick!!!! 2
>4. Speed of the Mongoose to Cartwheel Kick (dizzy) = OH NO!!! 2
>
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8"
Street Fighter (pge 65)
-----Original Message-----
From: clk_whrr_chad@... <clk_whrr_chad@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 12:30 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Charcters Stats

>i was wondering about how high do most of the stat get in your games
>i.e. is there an upper limit not human mind you but i mean what player
>charcters can go to and if there is what is it?
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If a character wants to learn a seperate martial art, that's fine, however
since he is learning two entirely diffrent styles at once, I say he must pay
the highest cost listed for each maneuver, if there is a higher cost listed
for those maneuvers, unless he has mastered his style (learned all maneuvers
associated with that style). One style is always "primary", and this
generates the characters Willpower and Chi.
Anyway, thats how I do it
-----Original Message-----
From: AJSolis@... <AJSolis@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 12:34 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Multiple styles (was Batman)

> This reminds me, how do you guys handle an individual's use of multiple
>martial arts? After all, it is possible both in the video game (gen), and

in

>real life, so how do you handle it?
> Incorporating some rules from Wod version of storyteller would handle

it,

>but I am curious how people would handle it in a purely SF fashion. A

merit?

> Sure, it is still an import, but merits and flaws are less of a hassle to
>add.
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he Batman posted is supposed to be a combonation of all post-crisis Batmans
presented from the comic and movies
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 1:44 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: (Batman) Contenders 2

>You know, the more I think of this, the more I am beginning to realize that
>if we are going to design Batman, we have to decide _which_ Batman we are
>going to design. Originally, Batman was not much more than just another

pulp

>hero, in which case his stats should probably be in the 3-4 range. If you

go

>with the 60s TV show Batman, again, his stats should be in about the same
>range but now he has a utility belt that hold just about damn nearly

anything

>that could possibly come in handy. Something like a variable power point
>pool in the Hero system. If we go with the recent cartoon TV version, I'd
>say his charisma is probably a 1, he exasperates nearly everyone who meets
>him, Robin and Batgirl included.
>
>Although I think if you are going for a generic, kind of combination of all
>the Batmans, the Batman as posted pretty much fills the bill.
>
><< Actually he prety much is perfeect.
> Suposedly he is the closest thing to a perfect human speciman.
> I have the old bat man role playing game.
> according to the game it would be easier to take out batman Physically
> then mentally or spiritually. And according to the comic he knows, Savate,
> Jiujitsu
> and a ton of other arts. Along with getting one of the highest scores
> required to join the FBI(with the exception of fire arms) a piloting
> liscence by the time he was 19-20. Went to scotland yard.
> The only place he lacks is in house work. couldnt make his own breakfeast

or

> wash his clothes worth a damn.
> He has supposedly over exceeded his strength on times
> His mind could have been a master in physics as he has disarmed nuclear
> bombs as well once.
> While he has been beaten quite a bit, he has done extremelly well against
> superhuman odds such as the croc and poison ivy. >>
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If anyone is interested, the Encyclopedia Combatica: Second Edition is
avalible in Microsoft Word form. It's more correct and complete, although
thier are no new modifers. It is, however, crammed with artwork I grabbed
from the net and looks like a real Street Fighter sourcebook. It took over
300 hours to write, design and correct. If anyone is interested in this
final appearance of the book let me know!
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 2:45 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: <no subject>

>In a message dated 10/8/99 2:31:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< I really didn't even play Street fighter until I had gotten some back

story

> about the characters, it just didn't interest me at the time. I guess I

just

> like a story to draw me in.
> If you want a good book on evil, Check out PEOPLE OF THE LIE by M. Scott
> Peck. Excellent reading, helps roleplaying too. Even if you are not into
> psychology, Like me. >>
>
>Hey, thanks for the book recommendation! I am always looking for a good

book.

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In a message dated 10/8/99 5:55:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joespitt@... writes:

<< If anyone is interested, the Encyclopedia Combatica: Second Edition is
avalible in Microsoft Word form. It's more correct and complete, although
thier are no new modifers. It is, however, crammed with artwork I grabbed
from the net and looks like a real Street Fighter sourcebook. It took over
300 hours to write, design and correct. If anyone is interested in this
final appearance of the book let me know! >>

Oh yes, I am interested. Where were you 2 years ago when I was trying to
type up all the manuevers to make combat cards, eh?

hahah ok, then, please send me your personal e-mail addy or icq number
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From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:58 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Encyclopeida Combatica Sourcebook

>In a message dated 10/8/99 5:55:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>joespitt@... writes:
>
><< If anyone is interested, the Encyclopedia Combatica: Second Edition is
> avalible in Microsoft Word form. It's more correct and complete, although
> thier are no new modifers. It is, however, crammed with artwork I grabbed
> from the net and looks like a real Street Fighter sourcebook. It took over
> 300 hours to write, design and correct. If anyone is interested in this
> final appearance of the book let me know! >>
>
>Oh yes, I am interested. Where were you 2 years ago when I was trying to
>type up all the manuevers to make combat cards, eh?
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I am also working on the "offical" Street Fighter: The Dogs of War
Sourcebook... I'll finish it as soon as possible, it's still under
construction at the moment
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To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 5:58 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Encyclopeida Combatica Sourcebook

>In a message dated 10/8/99 5:55:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>joespitt@... writes:
>
><< If anyone is interested, the Encyclopedia Combatica: Second Edition is
> avalible in Microsoft Word form. It's more correct and complete, although
> thier are no new modifers. It is, however, crammed with artwork I grabbed
> from the net and looks like a real Street Fighter sourcebook. It took over
> 300 hours to write, design and correct. If anyone is interested in this
> final appearance of the book let me know! >>
>
>Oh yes, I am interested. Where were you 2 years ago when I was trying to
>type up all the manuevers to make combat cards, eh?
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In a message dated 10/8/99 6:03:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joespitt@... writes:

<< I am also working on the "offical" Street Fighter: The Dogs of War
Sourcebook... I'll finish it as soon as possible, it's still under
construction at the moment >>

Well, put me down for that too. Por favor

The Amazing Sorochinski

Personally, the backround in Streetfighter: The Storytelling game bores me to
tears so here are some ideas for other types of Street Fighter campaigns

Pulp Street Fighter - I posted this as a joke the other day, but it could be
a viable option. All players would be members of Shadoloo. Honor would be
an almost automatically non existant. Perhaps it could be replaced with
Status, a measure of how high up in Shadoloo you are and how much help you
could expect if, say, you accidently shot someone.

Highlander Street Fighter - There are rules out there on the web for
Highlander in the Storyteller system. They could be combined with Street
Fighter. It would rationalize the bizarre powers of the game and the stakes
in a duel would be so much higher. And when you finally beat M. Bison, you
become Master of the World.

Star Streetfighter - In a Star Wars type universe, the Streetfighters could
be the equivalent of Jedi Knights. It would take quite a bit of work to
figure out the technology, but didn't someone say they had made up starship
combat rules recently? (I cannot for the life of me find the email) and there
are alien rules at http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm.
Actually, I am working on this one. But don't expect anything soon.

Star Trek Street Fighter - More of a one shot really. The Gamemasters of
Triskelion decide, ah, to hell with this helping people crap, lets go back to
the gladitorial games. And just to make it more interesting, lets give them
bizarre abilities like shooting fireballs or something. (To hell with the
Next Generation, I'm talking real Star Trek here. With attractive women
wearing short skirts like God intended (Sorry, my post must contain at least
one item of flamebait))

Fantasy Street Fighter - Much like D&D but the characters would all be
fighters with new powers. You thought M. Bison was tough, wait till you take
on the Deathknight. And there _was_ a Streetfighter type videogame based on
D&D.

And I won't even bring up the Pendragon/Streetfighter game set in Mythic
Greece I came up with once upon a time.

Any other ideas out there?

hey it might help if the streetfighter ultra person listed his website
so we could check it out!..............people would like to see this
site!!!!!!!!so please post it immediately!!

I seem to be having difficulties sending the Encyclopedia to people dur to
it's large size, but you can get the .doc version from the Vault or go to
Dogs of War
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Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 8:48 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] streetfighter ultra

>hey it might help if the streetfighter ultra person listed his website
>so we could check it out!..............people would like to see this
>site!!!!!!!!so please post it immediately!!
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I'm putting 'weird" stats like batman and blade up on Contenders 2 for the sole purpose of Duking it out "unofficaly" with these characters, just for fun. However, in my own campaigns, these characters can appear on the Realfighter video game, which was created based on military holo-trainers. The game can, with the proper equipment, be once again fitted to allow the training fighter to feel all sensations of real combat, although no real damage is caused to the participant. So while training on Realfighter, or for the military, one of these characters could appear and do combat with a Street Fighter! Then again, they could just show up in a strange campaign where anything is possible... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2) >Cool ! I'll Make comments on your comments :) > > > >---------- >>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com >>Subject: [streetfighter] Batman (was: Contenders 2) >>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:47 PM >> > >>>Ok lets see... >> >> Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage... >> >>> >>>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide, >>>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure) >>> >> >> And I'll comment while you do so. >An exceptional comment to be sure. >> >>>ATTRIBUTES >>> >>>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated >>> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger) >>> >>>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is >>> fair) >>> >>>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles >>> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance >>> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness. >>> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.) >>> >>>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for >>> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows >>>off >>> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford >>>to >>> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.) >> >> That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too >> popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely. >Indeed Lonely fits, It's hard to have a social life when you fight crime >24/7 (like he or anyone else could) >> >>> >>>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not >>> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist) >>> >>>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I >>> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material. >>> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.) >>> >>>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare. >>> He may even have a seven) >>> >>>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5)) >> >> I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the >> impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I >> _could_ give a 5 here. > Gee.... why does he hire all of the scientists, researchers and developers >for Wayne industries? And more importantly, when would he have the time? >Kitbashing is one thing but, invention and development is totally different. >Batman must have a time machine hidden somewhere. >>> >>>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd >>> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.) >>> >>>Talents >>> >>>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit), >>>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5 >>> >>>SKILLS >>> >>>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4, >>>leadership >>>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he >>>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in >>>this area I'm sure.) >>> >>>KNOWLEDGES >>> >>>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere >>>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from >>>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.) >>>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic >>>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style >>>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.) >>> >>>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman) >> >> I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still >> some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog etc. >> They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill. >> Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9 is >> pretty close to 10... >I agree with this ... >>> >>>BACKGROUNDS >>> >>>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just >>>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.) >> >> And? >> >> , Backing 4/5 (Wayne >>>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is >>>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei >>>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be >>>limited to no more than three) >>> >>>TECHNIQUES >>> >>>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block >>>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu) >> >> Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck me >> as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...? >... maybe 5 not six ... six is way out. >>>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4 >>> >>>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20 >>> >>>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know) >>> >>>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an >>>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate. >> >> In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu. >Probably a good bet in a pinch >>> >>>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a >>>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can >>>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo. >> >>> >>>-- Chris B >>> >> >> Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the dark >> knight? >Good comments, I mean mine too, Kristofer, you are the comment king. I >probably would never use Batman in one of my games. I prefer using my own >creativity. Maybe in a weird TV episode where the characters are sucked into >the Television dimension, where they join forces with the 60's Batman POW! >ZAP! YOWIE! :D >> Kristofer >-- Chris B >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Learn2 Avoid Junk Mail. Learn2 Shop for Bargain Airfares. Learn2 >Weatherize Your Home. Learn2 Speak Wine. Learn2 Get by in French. >Learn2 Negotiate a Raise. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/965 > > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > >

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I'm putting 'weird" stats like batman and blade up on Contenders 2 for the sole purpose of Duking it out "unofficaly" with these characters, just for fun. However, in my own campaigns, these characters can appear on the Realfighter video game, which was created based on military holo-trainers. The game can, with the proper equipment, be once again fitted to allow the training fighter to feel all sensations of real combat, although no real damage is caused to the participant. So while training on Realfighter, or for the military, one of these characters could appear and do combat with a Street Fighter! Then again, they could just show up in a strange campaign where anything is possible... -----Original Message----- From: Chris Baker <cbaker@nbnet.nb.ca> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:57 PM Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2) >Cool ! I'll Make comments on your comments :) > > > >---------- >>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@hotmail.com> >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com >>Subject: [streetfighter] Batman (was: Contenders 2) >>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:47 PM >> > >>>Ok lets see... >> >> Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage... >> >>> >>>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players guide, >>>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good measure) >>> >> >> And I'll comment while you do so. >An exceptional comment to be sure. >> >>>ATTRIBUTES >>> >>>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the animated >>> series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger) >>> >>>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is >>> fair) >>> >>>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26 miles >>> 385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance >>> limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent toughness. >>> so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.) >>> >>>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for >>> Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows >>>off >>> a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't afford >>>to >>> draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.) >> >> That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too >> popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely. >Indeed Lonely fits, It's hard to have a social life when you fight crime >24/7 (like he or anyone else could) >> >>> >>>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this. Not >>> to mention he is an excellent disguise artist) >>> >>>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I >>> don't think he was ever supposed to be model material. >>> although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.) >>> >>>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception extraordinare. >>> He may even have a seven) >>> >>>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5)) >> >> I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the >> impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I >> _could_ give a 5 here. > Gee.... why does he hire all of the scientists, researchers and developers >for Wayne industries? And more importantly, when would he have the time? >Kitbashing is one thing but, invention and development is totally different. >Batman must have a time machine hidden somewhere. >>> >>>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone. I'd >>> say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.) >>> >>>Talents >>> >>>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit), >>>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5 >>> >>>SKILLS >>> >>>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4, >>>leadership >>>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he >>>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent in >>>this area I'm sure.) >>> >>>KNOWLEDGES >>> >>>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere >>>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from >>>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.) >>>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic >>>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch) Style >>>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.) >>> >>>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman) >> >> I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still >> some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog etc. >> They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill. >> Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9 is >> pretty close to 10... >I agree with this ... >>> >>>BACKGROUNDS >>> >>>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just >>>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.) >> >> And? >> >> , Backing 4/5 (Wayne >>>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is >>>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent sensei >>>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably be >>>limited to no more than three) >>> >>>TECHNIQUES >>> >>>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha), Block >>>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu) >> >> Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck me >> as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...? >... maybe 5 not six ... six is way out. >>>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4 >>> >>>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20 >>> >>>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know) >>> >>>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an >>>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and Karate. >> >> In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu. >Probably a good bet in a pinch >>> >>>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a >>>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can >>>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo. >> >>> >>>-- Chris B >>> >> >> Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the dark >> knight? >Good comments, I mean mine too, Kristofer, you are the comment king. I >probably would never use Batman in one of my games. I prefer using my own >creativity. Maybe in a weird TV episode where the characters are sucked into >the Television dimension, where they join forces with the 60's Batman POW! >ZAP! YOWIE! :D >> Kristofer >-- Chris B >> ______________________________________________________ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Learn2 Avoid Junk Mail. Learn2 Shop for Bargain Airfares. Learn2 >Weatherize Your Home. Learn2 Speak Wine. Learn2 Get by in French. >Learn2 Negotiate a Raise. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/965 > > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > >

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as long as you don't make up a sweathogs fighting team -----Original Message----- From: Charles Little <infinite@...> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 5:01 PM Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2 >> They like me, they really like me! *wondering if anyone else on this list is >> old enough to get that reference* >> >::poking hand up:: Ooo Ooo... I am mista cahta (get that one?) :) > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Learn2 Avoid Junk Mail. Learn2 Shop for Bargain Airfares. Learn2 >Weatherize Your Home. Learn2 Speak Wine. Learn2 Get by in French. >Learn2 Negotiate a Raise. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/965 > > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > >

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Hey, we should do some alternate universe streetfighters. like GI Pokemon, A Real American Hero! Or Transvestitesailormoonformers More Than Meets The Eye. Maybe even Mighty Morphin Smurf Rangers. Any more suggestions?

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In a message dated 10/7/99 7:01:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cbaker@... writes: << Hey! Lassie would use Dog-FU! -- Chris B >> Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Jeet Kune Dog The Amazing Sorochinski

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This reminds me, how do you guys handle an individual's use of multiple martial arts? After all, it is possible both in the video game (gen), and in real life, so how do you handle it? Incorporating some rules from Wod version of storyteller would handle it, but I am curious how people would handle it in a purely SF fashion. A merit? Sure, it is still an import, but merits and flaws are less of a hassle to add.

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Personally, the backround in Streetfighter: The Storytelling game bores me to tears so here are some ideas for other types of Street Fighter campaigns Pulp Street Fighter - I posted this as a joke the other day, but it could be a viable option. All players would be members of Shadoloo. Honor would be an almost automatically non existant. Perhaps it could be replaced with Status, a measure of how high up in Shadoloo you are and how much help you could expect if, say, you accidently shot someone. Highlander Street Fighter - There are rules out there on the web for Highlander in the Storyteller system. They could be combined with Street Fighter. It would rationalize the bizarre powers of the game and the stakes in a duel would be so much higher. And when you finally beat M. Bison, you become Master of the World. Star Streetfighter - In a Star Wars type universe, the Streetfighters could be the equivalent of Jedi Knights. It would take quite a bit of work to figure out the technology, but didn't someone say they had made up starship combat rules recently? (I cannot for the life of me find the email) and there are alien rules at http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm. Actually, I am working on this one. But don't expect anything soon. Star Trek Street Fighter - More of a one shot really. The Gamemasters of Triskelion decide, ah, to hell with this helping people crap, lets go back to the gladitorial games. And just to make it more interesting, lets give them bizarre abilities like shooting fireballs or something. (To hell with the Next Generation, I'm talking real Star Trek here. With attractive women wearing short skirts like God intended (Sorry, my post must contain at least one item of flamebait)) Fantasy Street Fighter - Much like D&D but the characters would all be fighters with new powers. You thought M. Bison was tough, wait till you take on the Deathknight. And there _was_ a Streetfighter type videogame based on D&D. And I won't even bring up the Pendragon/Streetfighter game set in Mythic Greece I came up with once upon a time. Any other ideas out there?

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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:00:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
skarsten@... writes:

<< friend of mine once did an After-the-Bomb Street Fighter where everything
had been destroyed and everyone was a member of little tribes that all
practiced different styles. The rationale for no gun use was that since
modern weapons caused the big holocaust, no one was willing to risk leading
up to that again by bringing back the technology. >>

Hey, I like that. A kind of Mad Max Street Fighter. I'll add it to my list.

I hear you Ninja Brother. Please give to the Normal Ninja fellowship fund. Remember, there's a little Ninja in all of us -- Chris B ---------- >From: JSorochins@... >To: streetfighter@egroups.com >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Contenders 2 >Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 4:51 PM > > In a message dated 10/7/99 10:03:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > cbaker@... writes: > > << Ibuki is one of those anime girls who is constantly at war with > herself, trying to live up to her Ninja heritage while still trying to be > normal, And we've all been there ...right? >> > > > Yes I have. It is so difficult for me to live up to my Ninja heritage while > still trying to be normal. Why, just the other day, I am all set to go to a > movie, when suddenly my sensei calls me and I have to jet off to Berlin to > assassinate some foreign diplomats. I mean, try to tell your boss that you > can't come in because you have to go through the Ritual of the Seven Deadly > Cranes... > > > Er...sorry...just kidding... > > The Amazing Sorochinski > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > >

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In a message dated 10/8/99 9:10:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shadaloo@... writes: << Cool! You could ask about Bison=92s past in the Street Fighter Alpha series (I=92d like to know how old he is), and the story of Juni, Juli and Cammy. Vega >> This is far from official, but I suspect that Bison is from the Darkstalker universe. The only reason I have for this is I think Rose was Anita and she obviously has a connection to Bison (she is hunting him down) As far as Cammy goes, I believe the official story was she used to be a assassin for and a lover of M. Bison, but somehow she got amnesia and ended up working for English Intelligence. But I could be wrong. The Amazing Sorochinski

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In a message dated 10/8/99 9:25:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cbaker@... writes: << You know, I have a friend who thinks they're all ok, except Ken, then again he calls all of the characters Ken. He seems to have some sort of Ken complex. Maybe it's because I keep kicking his ass with Ken. As for thinking that everyone in SF2 is evil just because they're fighting you, I doesn't seem normal to me.>> Well, I never did claim to be normal. Heaven forbid <shudder> Cool! <Just what is Evil anyway? That kind of thinking is pretty simple minded, you must have been pretty young.> Well, since they are not really real, I mean Evil as in fictional evil. Like M. Bison and Vega and Sauron and the Emperor in Star Wars. I would not even try to define evil in the real world. Actually, I would, but not in this email. < What I want to know is what did you think of the mirror match?> There wasn't any mirror match at that time. Of course, if there had been, I would have figured it was Ken's evil twin. <or beating up the car? Damn! another evil car! Well it's better than being beat up by those Evil Barrels. Damn their knot ridden wooden hides! > Those evil 10 cent cars... Actually, though, at the time I never could beat the damn game, so I had very few clues to go on as to what the backstory was. So I made up my own. Since I was playing Ken, Ken was the hero. Since he was fighting all this people, the people were evil in the comic book sense of the word. Hmmm... I wonder what other peoples first impressions of the characters were, before they found out what the real story was.

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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:10:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
skarsten@... writes:

<< back before I knew Zangief's scars were from bear claws, a friend of mine
told me that really devoted Russian bodybuilders used to cut their skin so
that it would split and allow the muscles to get bigger, faster. I don't
know what was worse; that he came up with that story, or that I believed him.

>>

I like that one. Maybe we should come up with an alternate universe
Streetfigher, like in that one in Star Trek with the evil Kirk. Ken and Chun
Li are the only good guys and Zangief is a psycho who cuts his own skin to
get bigger muscles. Dhalsim wears the skulls of children he killed himself.
Anything else?

Thats true. and the same goes the opposite way.
My three most favorite fights against non DC characters is
Batman Vs grendel
Batman Vs Punisher(I loved this one)
and batman vs spawn was ok.

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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
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>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:27:24 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/7/99 10:24:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
>rpascuttini@... writes:
>
> >
> > While he has been beaten quite a bit, he has done extremely well
>against
> > superhuman odds such as the croc and poison ivy.
> >
> Don't forget that Batman has also beaten the snot out of superman in
>certain stories.
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THe character wants to practice two martial arts?..Well he never really will
unless he has two senseis or a really good single master
(and even then they have their prefferance of style) and dont mind spending
their time between both arts(which is really hard).
but if he does its much harder for the player with more time being spent on
one art then the other and such. It really is a pain.

>From: AJSolis@...
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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Multiple styles (was Batman)
>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 03:33:08 EDT
>
> This reminds me, how do you guys handle an individual's use of multiple
>martial arts? After all, it is possible both in the video game (gen), and
>in
>real life, so how do you handle it?
> Incorporating some rules from Wod version of storyteller would handle
>it,
>but I am curious how people would handle it in a purely SF fashion. A
>merit?
> Sure, it is still an import, but merits and flaws are less of a hassle to
>add.
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We dont need to many people yet because were still playtesting it.
OK Ill be sending a character to you soon as well.

>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
>Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:38:29 -0300
>
>Yup! I was wondering where you going, but now you return. Good news I
>already
>have a name for this tourament: Gateway the begin of fighter, and two
>persons,
>the first already send me the fighter the second not yet. My great problem
>is
>this I need MORE people, I wondering about how much but 2 or 3 aren�t
>enought to
>run this and of course I put a limit of one fighter for person. Greatings.
>
>Robert Pascuttini wrote:
>
> > Hey Rinaldo,,,Its ok Ive gbeen really busy latley and i still havnt made
> > that random dice generator.
> > Ill try to work on it soon, good to have you back. Ill mack a character
>and
> > show him to you.
> >
> > >From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
> > >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 11:10:30 -0300
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi, Folks I'm out of line for a while because a few problems with my
>modem
> > >but I
> > >return. Yeah I said it to my Game master too, but...
> > >Hey Robert I�m ready for that test fight, I�m just waiting you and some
> > >other
> > >people. I make it like Bloodsport movie, two groups and the winner go
>on
> > >and the
> > >loser is out of the game.
> > >Robert Pascuttini wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey A.J
> > > > Ok I got it.
> > > > I disagree with some of what you said. I didnt say that honour was
>self
> > > > veiw. Honour is more a matter of the self. So even if people
> > > > see you do something odd and ther against it, but if its right , its
> > >right.
> > > > The best example is from the lone wolf and cub movie. Another
> > > > samurai asks the baby carriage samurai that if he had to do
>something to
> > > > save his lord even agianst the lords wishs, would he have done it.
> > > > The baby carriage samurai agrees he would have.
> > > > Then the other samurai continues by saying that such situation
>happened
> > >to
> > > > him and he did the same, and yet got punished after by losing rank.
> > > >
> > > > Another example is in the highlander T.V series.
> > > > The character "Mcloud", i beleive, is having a back flash of when he
> > >went to
> > > > japan. He saved another samurai and this samurai took him in,
> > > > but the samurais lord had decreed no forigners on the land and any
>one
> > >who
> > > > harboured one must kill the forigner or die.
> > > > The samurai had no choice but to commit seppuku.
> > > > The highlander tryed to interfere saying that the samurai could
>actually
> > > > kill him..as he would simply come back to life.
> > > > The samurai still couldnt, as it was against the spirit of his lord.
> > > >
> > > > In the orient face is a big thing. Even here, Anyhting you do you
>are
> > > > representing your school/family. Your work life, your social life
>etc.
> > > >
> > > > >From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
> > > > >Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 05:35:51 -0700
> > > > >
> > > > >much of honor is not self-view. It is to us, of course, but not to
>many
> > > > >cultures. Think of Japan - many. many decisions were based on
>gaining
> > >or
> > > > >losing "face" - honor in the view of other people. Whether or not
>we
> > >like
> > > > >to
> > > > >admit it, most of us do care what other people think of us, and
>this
> > >ties
> > > > >in
> > > > >to our self-view.
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
> > > > >To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > > >Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 8:46 PM
> > > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Yes thats pretty interesting. I didnt think of it that way.
> > > > > >but honour has more to do with the self than other people.
> > > > > >an honourable person would do whats right even if people
>disagreed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Arggh thats not quite right give me a bit to think on that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
> > > > > >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > > > >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > > > >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
> > > > > >>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 04:03:23 -0700
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Honor is a matter of not only how you see yourself but how
>others
> > >see
> > > > >you
> > > > > >>as
> > > > > >>well. So there would have been an honor loss if your friends
>came in
> > >and
> > > > > >>killed a man that had challenged you to an honor duel, and
>especialy
> > > > >when
> > > > > >>you had agreed! Such a match is SUPPOSED to be fought without
> > >outside
> > > > > >>assistance. I beleive you and your companions acted in a
> > >dishonorable
> > > > > >>fashion. If Lancealot had taken the same challenge, he wouldnt
>have
> > >had
> > > > > >>Glaahd and King Aurther come help if he started losing!
> > > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> > > > > >>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > > > >>Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 8:31 PM
> > > > > >>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Honour?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Well I was playing (and yet playing) with a kendo and
> > >contender
> > > > >for
> > > > > >> >samurai guy called Alxion Yarashi, and my companions are a
>Savate
> > > > >"clow"
> > > > > >>guy
> > > > > >> >(He dresse like a medieval times court pierrot) named Pierce
>Du
> > >Fonse
> > > > > >>and
> > > > > >>a
> > > > > >> >German Brawler called H�rst and the situation is a fantasy
> > >adventure
> > > > >in
> > > > > >> >medieval times, we are in royal court when Knight call me for
>a
> > >honor
> > > > > >> >challenge, me like all honor guy acept, but the knight fights
>very
> > >and
> > > > >I
> > > > > >> >near to lose when my friends came to help me. To resume they
> > >killed
> > > > >the
> > > > > >> >knight and all people of kingdom are watching and for crimes
>of
> > >murder
> > > > > >>and
> > > > > >> >cowards we are going to the prison and maybe we die... And I
>lose
> > > > >honor
> > > > > >>for
> > > > > >> >that, you belive a thing like that?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >ronineric@... wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> "morgado, mike" <mmorgad-@...> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> original
> > > > >article:http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter/?start=2268
> > > > > >> >> > This brings up a good point. A few years ago in a game, I
>was
> > > > > >> >> playing a
> > > > > >> >> > boxer, and a friend of mine was playing a Special Forces
> > >character
> > > > > >> >> who had
> > > > > >> >> > high honour. In our first team fight, the boxer disposed
>of
> > >his
> > > > > >> >> opponent in
> > > > > >> >> > quick order. (one punch, it was beautiful :) The Special
> > >Forces
> > > > > >> >> character
> > > > > >> >> > dizzied his opponent and stood back to wait for his
>opponent
> > >to
> > > > > >> >> recover.
> > > > > >> >> > However the boxer, clocked the special forces' opponent
>and
> > > > >knocked
> > > > > >> >> him out.
> > > > > >> >> > This caused the Special Forces character to lecture the
>boxer
> > > > >about
> > > > > >> >> honour,
> > > > > >> >> > in the middle of the team fight. The boxer had no idea of
> > >honour,
> > > > >he
> > > > > >> >> was a
> > > > > >> >> > boxer. When a boxer has someone on the ropes, he doesnt
>stop
> > >and
> > > > >let
> > > > > >> >> them
> > > > > >> >> > recover, he goes in for the kill. It was great
>roleplaying
> > > > >between
> > > > > >> >> these
> > > > > >> >> > two.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Has anyone had characters clash because of morality and
> > >honour?
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Thanks
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > Mike Morgado
> > > > > >> >> > mmorgado@...
> > > > > >> >> > ext. 642
> > > > > >> >> > (519) 383-3642
> > > > > >> >> > PC/ITS
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Yes Acually, In A team Fight with a shadowlaw team the most
> > > > >honorable
> > > > > >> >> PC in hhe party killed the team outright just when they
>reached
> > >zero
> > > > > >> >> health, via Inferno strike...he felt it was justified, they
> > >were
> > > > >evil
> > > > > >> >> after all, but in the end he lost one permanent honor per
>kill,
> > >and
> > > > > >> >> worse yet the storyteller ruled that the spark of
>"evil-intent"
> > > > >began
> > > > > >> >> to burn in him.
> > > > > >> >> the moral i guess is that honor is as it is percived, and
> > >acted
> > > > > >> >> upon. that means if it looks like a good idea but moraly
>wrong
> > >than
> > > > >it
> > > > > >> >> is wrong and dishonrable
> > > > > >> >> O.K later
> > > > > >> >> Ronin Eric
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
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Too many uses for the Streetfighter RPG for me. I'd rather use Star Wars for
Star Wars, and definitely Pendragon for Pendragon (a great game in ittself).
I like the Highlander one though, it seems to have the right spirit.

Oh yeah, and I agree about original Trek, and the skirt thing. :)

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>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Campaign idea
>Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 11:39 PM
>

> Personally, the backround in Streetfighter: The Storytelling game bores me to
> tears so here are some ideas for other types of Street Fighter campaigns
>
> Pulp Street Fighter - I posted this as a joke the other day, but it could be
> a viable option. All players would be members of Shadoloo. Honor would be
> an almost automatically non existant. Perhaps it could be replaced with
> Status, a measure of how high up in Shadoloo you are and how much help you
> could expect if, say, you accidently shot someone.
>
> Highlander Street Fighter - There are rules out there on the web for
> Highlander in the Storyteller system. They could be combined with Street
> Fighter. It would rationalize the bizarre powers of the game and the stakes
> in a duel would be so much higher. And when you finally beat M. Bison, you
> become Master of the World.
>
> Star Streetfighter - In a Star Wars type universe, the Streetfighters could
> be the equivalent of Jedi Knights. It would take quite a bit of work to
> figure out the technology, but didn't someone say they had made up starship
> combat rules recently? (I cannot for the life of me find the email) and there
> are alien rules at http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/StreetFighter.htm.
> Actually, I am working on this one. But don't expect anything soon.
>
> Star Trek Street Fighter - More of a one shot really. The Gamemasters of
> Triskelion decide, ah, to hell with this helping people crap, lets go back to
> the gladitorial games. And just to make it more interesting, lets give them
> bizarre abilities like shooting fireballs or something. (To hell with the
> Next Generation, I'm talking real Star Trek here. With attractive women
> wearing short skirts like God intended (Sorry, my post must contain at least
> one item of flamebait))
>
> Fantasy Street Fighter - Much like D&D but the characters would all be
> fighters with new powers. You thought M. Bison was tough, wait till you take
> on the Deathknight. And there _was_ a Streetfighter type videogame based on
> D&D.
>
> And I won't even bring up the Pendragon/Streetfighter game set in Mythic
> Greece I came up with once upon a time.
>
> Any other ideas out there?
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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)
Date: Sat, Oct 9, 1999, 12:39 AM

with all this talk of Batman I'm getting tempted to post my conversions of the characters from Star Wars: Masters of Teras Kasi.
 
Darth Vader as a Street Fighter... hmmm...
 

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From: J. Scott Pittman <joespitt@... <mailto:joespitt@...> >
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 7:09 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)

I'm putting 'weird" stats like batman and blade up on Contenders 2 for the
sole purpose of Duking it out "unofficaly" with these characters, just for
fun. However, in my own campaigns, these characters can appear on the
Realfighter video game, which was created based on military holo-trainers.
The game can, with the proper equipment, be once again fitted to allow the
training fighter to feel all sensations of real combat, although no real
damage is caused to the participant. So while training on Realfighter, or
for the military, one of these characters could appear and do combat with a
Street Fighter! Then again, they could just show up in a strange campaign
where anything is possible...
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From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 3:57 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Batman (was: Contenders 2)


>Cool !  I'll Make comments on your comments :)
>
>
>
>----------
>>From: "Kristofer Lundström" <kri5tofer@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Batman (was: Contenders 2)
>>Date: Thu, Oct 7, 1999, 6:47 PM
>>
>
>>>Ok lets see...
>>
>> Yes, the Dark Knight of Gotham on the rampage...
>>
>>>
>>>here's what I would do with Batman (using Streetfighter, the players
guide,
>>>secrets of Shadaloo and maybe a little world of darkness for good
measure)
>>>
>>
>> And I'll comment while you do so.
>An exceptional comment to be sure.
>>
>>>ATTRIBUTES
>>>
>>>Strength 4 (Batman is in excellent physical shape, But even in the
animated
>>>             series he has encountered big mafia mooks who were stronger)
>>>
>>>Dexterity 5 (when compared to the other streetfighters, I think this is
>>>               fair)
>>>
>>>Stamina 4/5 (This is a rough one, since running a marathon (4) is 26
miles
>>>              385 yards it's probably pretty close to human endurance
>>>              limits. But stamina also is supposed to represent
toughness.
>>>              so I would say Stamina 4 Toughness 5 If I could.)
>>>
>>>Charisma 3 (People trust and confide in you, it would be detrimental for
>>>             Bruce Wayne to be too charismatic, besides he probably blows
>>>off
>>>             a lot of engagements to pursue his dual life. He can't
afford
>>>to
>>>             draw people to him.(4) He's a loner, NOT a leader.)
>>
>> That sounds about right. 3 is still more than average without being too
>> popular. And when it comes to "lone", I could go as far as lonely.
>Indeed Lonely fits, It's hard to have a social life when you fight crime
>24/7 (like he or anyone else could)
>>
>>>
>>>Manipulation 5 (Batman is a fast talker, and his knowledge fuels this.
Not
>>>                 to mention he is an excellent disguise artist)
>>>
>>>Appearance 3/4 (Bruce Wayne is supposed to be pretty good looking, but I
>>>                 don't think he was ever supposed to be model material.
>>>                 although Ryu has a 4 so it's acceptable.)
>>>
>>>Perception 6 (this is where Batman really shines, perception
extraordinare.
>>>               He may even have a seven)
>>>
>>>Intelligence 4 (Batman is a Genius to be sure, But he's not Einstein (5))
>>
>> I'm a bit underequipped when it comes to Batman knowledge, but I got the
>> impression he put most of those nifty gadgets together all by himself. I
>> _could_ give a 5 here.
> Gee.... why does he hire all of the scientists, researchers and developers
>for Wayne industries? And more importantly, when would he have the time?
>Kitbashing is one thing but, invention and development is totally
different.
>Batman must have a time machine hidden somewhere.
>>>
>>>Wits 5 (Batman can think on or off his feet, faster than almost anyone.
I'd
>>>         say this comes mostly from his massive experience though.)
>>>
>>>Talents
>>>
>>>Alertness 5, Insight 5, Interrogation 4, Intimidation 5 (in Batsuit),
>>>Streetwise 4, Subterfuge 5
>>>
>>>SKILLS
>>>
>>>Blindfighting 4 (Batman has been surprised in the dark), Drive 4,
>>>leadership
>>>2 (He can demand silence), Security 4 (expert), Stealth 5, survival 2 (he
>>>reads about the wilderness I'm sure, There are others far more competent
in
>>>this area I'm sure.)
>>>
>>>KNOWLEDGES
>>>
>>>Arena 1 (maybe, I'm sure his computer would know.), Computer(somewhere
>>>between 2 and 5, we really don't know how much of this ability comes from
>>>the excellent equipment developed by Wayne Enterprises, NOT Batman.)
>>>Investigation 5 (no doubt there), Medicine 4/5 (probably had paramedic
>>>training), Mysteries 3 (I'll bet he can tell a yeti from a Sasquatch)
Style
>>>Lore 3/4 (he could probably teach a class, if he had the time.)
>>>
>>>HONOR 4 GLORY 10 (everyone's heard of Batman)
>>
>> I'd give him a higher Honor, say 6. And Glory 9 should do, there's still
>> some hush-hush when it comes to the dark knight. Think of Ken, Balrog
etc.
>> They made/make the headlines _a_lot_, because of their fighting skill.
>> Batman makes the headlines for stopping crime, not for kicking ass. But 9
is
>> pretty close to 10...
>I agree with this ...
>>>
>>>BACKGROUNDS
>>>
>>>Allies (a few), ANIMAL COMPANION 3/4 (Batdog and Batmite Ha Ha Just
>>>kidding), Arena 0 (Batcave is a secret guys.)
>>
>> And?
>>
>> , Backing 4/5 (Wayne
>>>Enterprises is probably the Dupont of that world), Contacts 5 (the man is
>>>connected), Fame 4, Resources 5, Sensei 3 (at one time an excellent
sensei
>>>who was hard to reach), Staff (who knows, personal staff would probably
be
>>>limited to no more than three)
>>>
>>>TECHNIQUES
>>>
>>>Punch 5, Kick 3/4 (Batman never struck me as much of a kicker ha ha),
Block
>>>4/5, grab 5 (he can sure throw), Athletics 4 (no better than Ken or Ryu)
>>
>> Athletics 5, no doubt. Swinging over rooftops etc. Batman always struck
me
>> as being very acrobatic. Maybe even a 6...?
>... maybe 5 not six ... six is way out.
>>>Focus 2 Batarang/grapplegun 4
>>>
>>>CHI 5 (because of experience), WILLPOWER 10, Health 20
>>>
>>>DERANGEMENT, Obsession with crime/revenge (uh.. he is crazy you know)
>>>
>>>STYLE this one is difficult, too many histories abound, I would use an
>>>original style by combining Ninjitsu, Boxing, and maybe Aikido, and
Karate.
>>
>> In a pinch, I'd take Ninjitsu.
>Probably a good bet in a pinch
>>>
>>>COMBOS bought Just like any other Streetfighter. He would probably have a
>>>one two punch combo of some sort, or even a block throw combo. But he can
>>>definitely not combine any non weapon maneuver into a dizzy combo.
>>
>>>
>>>-- Chris B
>>>
>>
>> Good. My comments on the Bat. Anyone actually planning a meet with the
dark
>> knight?
>Good comments, I mean mine too,  Kristofer, you are the comment king. I
>probably would never use Batman in one of my games. I prefer using my own
>creativity. Maybe in a weird TV episode where the characters are sucked
into
>the Television dimension, where they join forces with the 60's Batman POW!
>ZAP! YOWIE! :D
>>               Kristofer
>-- Chris B
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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Re:
Date: Sat, Oct 9, 1999, 12:44 AM

yea.  inhale some industrial solvent for a while.  it's good for you.
 

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Subject: [streetfighter] Re:

Hey, we should do some alternate universe streetfighters. like GI Pokemon, A
Real American Hero! Or Transvestitesailormoonformers More Than Meets The
Eye. Maybe even Mighty Morphin Smurf Rangers.

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In a message dated 10/8/99 11:18:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< Too many uses for the Streetfighter RPG for me. I'd rather use Star Wars
for
Star Wars, and definitely Pendragon for Pendragon (a great game in ittself).
I like the Highlander one though, it seems to have the right spirit.

Oh yeah, and I agree about original Trek, and the skirt thing. :) >>

Well, I wanted something original so I used Pendragon for it character
generation method (because it really ties a character to the backround and I
really like the traits and passion rules) and I used Street Fighter rules for
the combat because i wanted a really cinematic and wild feel to the combat.
And I used Mythic Greece for the backround (with major, really major
changes) because it was complex and I knew a little bit about it. I thought
of using Extreme Vengence bits to make it really cinematic, but never could
get it to fit right.

Never did get too far with it. Made a Sambo Spartan Centaur and my friend
made a Arcadian Human Capoerist and we fought a couple of fights, but that is
about as far as it went.

Bye the way, the Arcadian usually won unless he messed up and the Centaur
managed to get a kick in.

The Amazing Sorochinski

if done correctly, a medevial setting would be great with the dtreetfighter
rules. You'd have to use alot of weapon maneuvers, though.
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Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 11:31 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Campaign idea

>In a message dated 10/8/99 11:18:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cbaker@... writes:
>
><< Too many uses for the Streetfighter RPG for me. I'd rather use Star Wars
>for
> Star Wars, and definitely Pendragon for Pendragon (a great game in

ittself).

> I like the Highlander one though, it seems to have the right spirit.
>
> Oh yeah, and I agree about original Trek, and the skirt thing. :) >>
>
>Well, I wanted something original so I used Pendragon for it character
>generation method (because it really ties a character to the backround and

I

>really like the traits and passion rules) and I used Street Fighter rules

for

>the combat because i wanted a really cinematic and wild feel to the

combat.

>And I used Mythic Greece for the backround (with major, really major
>changes) because it was complex and I knew a little bit about it. I

thought

>of using Extreme Vengence bits to make it really cinematic, but never could
>get it to fit right.
>
>Never did get too far with it. Made a Sambo Spartan Centaur and my friend
>made a Arcadian Human Capoerist and we fought a couple of fights, but that

is

>about as far as it went.
>
>Bye the way, the Arcadian usually won unless he messed up and the Centaur
>managed to get a kick in.
>
>The Amazing Sorochinski
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In a message dated 10/8/99 11:36:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joespitt@... writes:

<< if done correctly, a medevial setting would be great with the dtreetfighter
rules. You'd have to use alot of weapon maneuvers, though. >>

Or come up with some reason there are not any weapons. The gods don't allow
it, say, for high fantasy or only nobles are allowed to own weapons and all
the characters are not nobles, like in Okinawa at one time or a Robin Hood
type campaign.