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Group: streetfighter Message: 10613 From: Jonathan Combs Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 380
Group: streetfighter Message: 10614 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 380
Group: streetfighter Message: 10615 From: Darrick Chen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10616 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: I'm probably preaching to the choir, but...
Group: streetfighter Message: 10617 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: dragging up old crap
Group: streetfighter Message: 10618 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10619 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
Group: streetfighter Message: 10620 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10621 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
Group: streetfighter Message: 10622 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10623 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Totally ignoring Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10624 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10625 From: shinzite@yahoo.com Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: About techniques and quantum powers
Group: streetfighter Message: 10626 From: anton_figueroa@juno.com Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: trying to subscribe
Group: streetfighter Message: 10627 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
Group: streetfighter Message: 10628 From: AzQ Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Evil Ryu, Rose and the like
Group: streetfighter Message: 10629 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10630 From: reshma woodit Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10631 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10632 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10633 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10634 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10635 From: marbler@dragonbbs.com Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: New to group, Sort of
Group: streetfighter Message: 10636 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10637 From: JOe Keilman Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: The slowest move of all?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10638 From: Andy Johnston Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Is there a Street Fighing-tailor in the house?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10639 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: New to group, Sort of
Group: streetfighter Message: 10640 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10641 From: Andy Johnston Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10642 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10643 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10644 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Group: streetfighter Message: 10645 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10646 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: The Bouncer
Group: streetfighter Message: 10647 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10648 From: diddy kong Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: The Bouncer
Group: streetfighter Message: 10649 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10650 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10651 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10652 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Gateway Groups and Bouts.
Group: streetfighter Message: 10653 From: Mike Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10654 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
Group: streetfighter Message: 10655 From: Tony Figueroa Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
Group: streetfighter Message: 10656 From: Tony Figueroa Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
Group: streetfighter Message: 10657 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10658 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10659 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10660 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10661 From: marnic Date: 3/26/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: streetfighter Message: 10662 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/26/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie



Group: streetfighter Message: 10613 From: Jonathan Combs Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 380
> by a mysterious group no one knows anything about. In reality, it's
an evil
> Mega-Corporation that is using the matches to observe Supers and
their
> powers and personalities in order to recruit them to their
nefarious agenda
> (kind of like Shadoloo, but less corny).

That reminds me of that old champs adventure... the Great
Supervillain Contest, except it was MORE corny IMO. :) Also, check
out Wildstrike! :)

> And Jonathan, remember Blur? He had a Combat! sheet written up for
him, I
> can show you next time you're not on drill.

Ah, yes, I recall Blur. Too Much Coffee Man. ;)

--Jonathan ** awaiting the Gateway tourney to begin :)
Group: streetfighter Message: 10614 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Digest Number 380
>(kind of like Shadoloo, but less corny).

hey now!

what's corny about Shadoloo? other than the meteor, that is.
Group: streetfighter Message: 10615 From: Darrick Chen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Hey guys-


Er sorry to be a latecomer on this topic, but just a quick reminder that I
wrote up a Brazilian Jujutsu style about two years back. It should be in the
archives between August and October 1999. Of course it's just MY
interpretation of BJJ, but I think it should prove adequate in a pinch.

Just a heads up,

Darrick

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Group: streetfighter Message: 10616 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: I'm probably preaching to the choir, but...
I bought my wife a copy of "Once upon a time in China" on DVD for
Valentine's Day. Was bored waiting for Fed-Ex today so I popped it in.

Quite frankly, this movie kicks ass. It's one of Jet Li's earlier films, I
think - not sure exactly when it was made. But the finale makes the bamboo
grove scene in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" look like two kids annoying
each other in the schoolyard. Wong Fei-Hung fights a rival Master Yim in a
shipyard and the two of them fight on balancing ladders and hanging ropes
for the majority of the scene. It's *quite* cool.

Anyway, I'm probably the only one who hasn't caught this one yet, but I
enjoyed it highly.

Oh, and the Cantonese, Mandarin, *and* English soundtracks were nice
touches, too.
Group: streetfighter Message: 10617 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: dragging up old crap
Re: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms
figured this would be relevant for a couple reasons.  One, I was watching "Once Upon a Time in China" today, and several characters made it a point to state that you can't fight guns with kung fu.  In addition, I recently dropped the Honor penalty for using a firearm outside a tournament in my own game.
 
What? am I nuts?
 
no, I'm not.  I've been thinking long and hard over it, and decided that it wouldn't hurt.
 
by the way, the E-mail below is an example of why.  In Street Fighter, it's called "don't get within arm's reach of a Street Fighter, or 'what fool brings a gun to a fist fight?'".  In real life, it's called the Two Second Rule.  In self-defense classes, students are taught that if you're not close enough to get on your opponent in two seconds, you're not close enough to avoid getting shot while closing.  Since I recently brought up the fact that rounds are only a few seconds long, and most skilled Street Fighters can close a ten-foot distance in a single round, I figured it was relevant. :)
 
ah me, I ramble too much.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:44 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms

All I know is Chuck Norris was called to testify in court over whether  a well trained blackbelt could get to a gunman and present a serious threat.

(the case involved a jealous husband who shot his wife's lover who happened to be a blackbelt in (Tae-Kwan-Do  I Think). The court was trying to determine whether the case was manslaughter or self defense.)

Norris stood ten feet away from the bailiff who held a toy gun directly at him, before he could pull the trigger, Norris had disabled him. The court asked for the demonstration two more times (I think two it may have been three). Each time Norris took out the bailiff. The case was ruled as self defense.
Of course to some degree Chuck was ready for the attack.

-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM



depending on the distance between the fighter and the punk, this can be achieved in real-life, too.  Friend of mine told me that his self-defense instructor preached a two-second rule; if you were too far away to close the distance in two seconds, forget trying to charge a gunman.
 
hey j; you're in New Jersey? Me too.  What part?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <mailto:JSorochins@...>  <JSorochins@... <mailto:JSorochins@...> >
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:09 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms

In a message dated 10/11/99 10:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
conkle@... <mailto:conkle@...>  writes:

<< Into this post-apocalpytic world where guns are rare steps the Street
 Fighter. Someone who can rely on their skills and Martial Arts to overthrow
 the warlords with their surviving guns. This world would be ideal for Kung
 Fu action, just look at FotNS. >>

Not to mention in the streetfighter game (remember the street fighter game,
this is a list about the streetfighter ) even modern guns are not effective
as they are in our world.  A good kung fu guy can take out a gun wielding
punk easily (Yes, I know that is not the case in real life, but it is in the
game)



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Group: streetfighter Message: 10618 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Thats the type of thing I mean that made it good. Sure shun isnt a game
character neither is Sadler. To me the dvd felt more like 1 episode of a
series. There is no way they could have worked on each and every charachter
well enough to make it good. It would have been a mess like SF2. and the
game cant possibly deal with all the finer aspects of the SF universe. They
little kid was only one aspect of Ryus life and now he's gone. Were never
gonna hear a whole story of any of the characters. Like In the SFA3 game,
one of the endings with ryu is that he has flashbacks, one of the flashbacks
is chunli thanking him for the challange and that they might do it again
some day. I never saw this in any of the games, as a mid boss ending or a
story ending so when did it happen.

Ryu was already demonstrating the dark hadou before Shun came along.

Its like I said earlier the SFA series isnt a tournament per say, its more
like a set of stories on each character, but SF1 and SF2 were definatly
tournaments, according to the endings.



>From: throwrocks@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:16:37 -0000
>
>I have it too and i agree, it sux.
>who the hell is the little kid if this is SO much like the video
>game???
>
>just strikes me as hoakey
>
>
>--- In streetfighter@y..., "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...> wrote:
> > No, I have the commercially-released version, same as you.
> >
> > Beware the Dark Si... err, Hadou, Ryu, or forever will it dominate
>your
> > destiny!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@h...>
> > To: streetfighter@y... <streetfighter@y...>
> > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
> >
> >
> > >The animation was amazing. I dont know what your talking about?
> > >The way they faded the edge of the scenes was cool. and some of
>the local
> > >was amazing. What Scenes are you talking about?
> > >
> > >Maybe you had a ripped version...or a bad chinese copy.
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...>
> > >>Reply-To: streetfighter@y...
> > >>To: <streetfighter@y...>
> > >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
> > >>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:34:46 -0500
> > >>
> > >>what, badly animated with a plot ripped from Star Wars?
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@h...>
> > >>To: streetfighter@y... <streetfighter@y...>
> > >>Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:45 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >YOu have got to be kidding. It was incredible. It was the way a
>movie
> > >>should
> > >> >be done.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>From: "erik justiniano" <eriklee1977@h...>
> > >> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@y...
> > >> >>To: streetfighter@y...
> > >> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
> > >> >>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:59:19
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Just a flash note.....Street Fighter Alpha the
>Movie.....SUCKS!!!
> > >> >>.........(becareful of the Dark Hadou!!)
> > >> >>Erik
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10619 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
Hi there

Im not sure I understand what you mean that he's a plot whole.
All that happened was that this kid runs up to ryu claiming he's his
brother. Ryu doesnt care if he is or isnt or if the facts are true or not.
According to rose he didnt even care what was going t happen to the kid till
she mentioned it.

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>animals
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:52:34 -0500
>
>in other words, the kid's a walking plot hole. if he's not Ryu's brother,
>he knows enough about him to pass as such. :)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:02 AM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>animals
>
>
> >Hold on steve. Theres a few mistakes. We know that Ryu has been with
>gouken
> >since he was a child, but the rest of the information you have on Ryu was
> >given by Shun. And shun is hardly an accurate source of information.
> >
> >>It's been hinted at in Street Fighter Alpha: the Animation (which I
>bought
> >>on DVD recently, w00t!) that Akuma *might* be Ryu's father. Although
>the
> >>storyline is a little muddled (and the movie badly animated IMO, but I
> >>digress), here is what we discover about Ryu's lineage;
> >>
> >>Ryu was left with Gouken by his mother, who claimed she had "good
>reasons"
> >>to do so. She then fled to Brazil and had a second son, named Shen.
> >>
> >>Shen later tracked down Ryu and revealed he had the power of Dark Hadou.
> >>When questioned, he said that he learned it from his father.
> >>
> >>Okay, so who was Shen's father? Shen is much younger than Ryu, and if
>they
> >>share the same father then Ryu's mother's attempt to flee the bastard
>did
> >>no
> >>good, as he was still with her about a decade later. But if they didn't
> >>share the same father then there are multiple folks out there with Dark
> >>Hadou running around.
> >>
> >>When Ryu questions Akuma about his past, Akuma says "the path I walk, I
> >>walk
> >>alone."
> >>
> >>this could be interpreted multiple ways.
> >>
> >>guess we won't know until there's a sequel.
> >>
> >>on the subject of Ler Drit, it's already been mentioned that it's a
> >>real-world style. Watching Bison from the original Street Fighter II
>games
> >>suggests a Thai style to his kicks, and knee strikes, which tells me
>that
> >>the real-world Ler Drit combined with psychic powers is his style.
> >>However,
> >>one could then postulate that the Thai military either switched to
>straight
> >>Muay Thai or just stopped telling people it trained them in Ler Drit to
> >>avoid the stigma, and Ler Drit became Bison's own style.
> >>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10620 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Sadler bugged me. How many martial arts anime plan on using the "evil
warlord/scientist/doctor/corporate president holds a tournament on a small
island/in their hidden fortress (which may be on a small island) that's
really a trap/secret experiment to test new lifeforms/steal their powers"?

...and I liked the way The Animated Movie made a lot of the fighters bit
players. Because regardless of who our favorites may be, in a sense they're
all bit players in a grand mish-mash of plots that spans the world. some of
them run into each other sometimes, others don't. Capcom's decided that
Ken, Ryu, and Chun Li to a lesser extent are the "main characters", so the
others will fall by the wayside. Who would a Street Fighter movie draw as
an audience if it featured, say, DeeJay as the lead?

At least Zangief had a speaking part in II V, even if they did make him a
moron working for Shadoloo.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie


>Thats the type of thing I mean that made it good. Sure shun isnt a game
>character neither is Sadler. To me the dvd felt more like 1 episode of a
>series. There is no way they could have worked on each and every charachter
>well enough to make it good. It would have been a mess like SF2. and the
>game cant possibly deal with all the finer aspects of the SF universe. They
>little kid was only one aspect of Ryus life and now he's gone. Were never
>gonna hear a whole story of any of the characters. Like In the SFA3 game,
>one of the endings with ryu is that he has flashbacks, one of the
flashbacks
>is chunli thanking him for the challange and that they might do it again
>some day. I never saw this in any of the games, as a mid boss ending or a
>story ending so when did it happen.
>
>Ryu was already demonstrating the dark hadou before Shun came along.
>
>Its like I said earlier the SFA series isnt a tournament per say, its more
>like a set of stories on each character, but SF1 and SF2 were definatly
>tournaments, according to the endings.
>
>
>
>>From: throwrocks@...
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:16:37 -0000
>>
>>I have it too and i agree, it sux.
>>who the hell is the little kid if this is SO much like the video
>>game???
>>
>>just strikes me as hoakey
>>
>>
>>--- In streetfighter@y..., "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...> wrote:
>> > No, I have the commercially-released version, same as you.
>> >
>> > Beware the Dark Si... err, Hadou, Ryu, or forever will it dominate
>>your
>> > destiny!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@h...>
>> > To: streetfighter@y... <streetfighter@y...>
>> > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:57 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>> >
>> >
>> > >The animation was amazing. I dont know what your talking about?
>> > >The way they faded the edge of the scenes was cool. and some of
>>the local
>> > >was amazing. What Scenes are you talking about?
>> > >
>> > >Maybe you had a ripped version...or a bad chinese copy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...>
>> > >>Reply-To: streetfighter@y...
>> > >>To: <streetfighter@y...>
>> > >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>> > >>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:34:46 -0500
>> > >>
>> > >>what, badly animated with a plot ripped from Star Wars?
>> > >>
>> > >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@h...>
>> > >>To: streetfighter@y... <streetfighter@y...>
>> > >>Date: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:45 PM
>> > >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >YOu have got to be kidding. It was incredible. It was the way a
>>movie
>> > >>should
>> > >> >be done.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>From: "erik justiniano" <eriklee1977@h...>
>> > >> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@y...
>> > >> >>To: streetfighter@y...
>> > >> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>> > >> >>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:59:19
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Just a flash note.....Street Fighter Alpha the
>>Movie.....SUCKS!!!
>> > >> >>.........(becareful of the Dark Hadou!!)
>> > >> >>Erik
>> > >>
>> >>_________________________________________________________________
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10621 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
I mean, he comes up and says he's Ryu's brother, knows enough to pass
himself off as such, and then at the end we discover he probably isn't. Ryu
never outright denies Shun, only minimally accepts him. If Shun isn't, how
did he know the stuff he said he knew? If he was wrong, Ryu would have said
so.

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To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
animals


>Hi there
>
>Im not sure I understand what you mean that he's a plot whole.
>All that happened was that this kid runs up to ryu claiming he's his
>brother. Ryu doesnt care if he is or isnt or if the facts are true or not.
>According to rose he didnt even care what was going t happen to the kid
till
>she mentioned it.
>
>>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>>animals
>>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:52:34 -0500
>>
>>in other words, the kid's a walking plot hole. if he's not Ryu's brother,
>>he knows enough about him to pass as such. :)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>>Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:02 AM
>>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>>animals
>>
>>
>> >Hold on steve. Theres a few mistakes. We know that Ryu has been with
>>gouken
>> >since he was a child, but the rest of the information you have on Ryu
was
>> >given by Shun. And shun is hardly an accurate source of information.
>> >
>> >>It's been hinted at in Street Fighter Alpha: the Animation (which I
>>bought
>> >>on DVD recently, w00t!) that Akuma *might* be Ryu's father. Although
>>the
>> >>storyline is a little muddled (and the movie badly animated IMO, but I
>> >>digress), here is what we discover about Ryu's lineage;
>> >>
>> >>Ryu was left with Gouken by his mother, who claimed she had "good
>>reasons"
>> >>to do so. She then fled to Brazil and had a second son, named Shen.
>> >>
>> >>Shen later tracked down Ryu and revealed he had the power of Dark
Hadou.
>> >>When questioned, he said that he learned it from his father.
>> >>
>> >>Okay, so who was Shen's father? Shen is much younger than Ryu, and if
>>they
>> >>share the same father then Ryu's mother's attempt to flee the bastard
>>did
>> >>no
>> >>good, as he was still with her about a decade later. But if they
didn't
>> >>share the same father then there are multiple folks out there with Dark
>> >>Hadou running around.
>> >>
>> >>When Ryu questions Akuma about his past, Akuma says "the path I walk, I
>> >>walk
>> >>alone."
>> >>
>> >>this could be interpreted multiple ways.
>> >>
>> >>guess we won't know until there's a sequel.
>> >>
>> >>on the subject of Ler Drit, it's already been mentioned that it's a
>> >>real-world style. Watching Bison from the original Street Fighter II
>>games
>> >>suggests a Thai style to his kicks, and knee strikes, which tells me
>>that
>> >>the real-world Ler Drit combined with psychic powers is his style.
>> >>However,
>> >>one could then postulate that the Thai military either switched to
>>straight
>> >>Muay Thai or just stopped telling people it trained them in Ler Drit to
>> >>avoid the stigma, and Ler Drit became Bison's own style.
>> >>
>> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10622 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
See. Everybody wanted something in particular in the movie.
Darrick here was looking for all that other stuff, but Im telling you the
movie would have been complete trash if they tried to do that.

I remeber first time I saw SF2. It was amazing. Then when I watched it
again, the only thing I noticed that was good was the animation. I mean the
story was horrible. They kept trying to put in all the characters and you
got these ridiculous scenes with no purpose, just fight, and then that was
all you saw of the charatcer. Like the balrog scene in vegas with Blanka and
Zangief. What a waste, there was no story point to that scene. Plus zangief
pointing at Balrog to fight. and you never see anything after that. Then I
remeber people complaining that there want enough of this character or that
character.

Im sorry darrick I disagree with some of your points.
I dont think it was an utter waste of good characters. We got to see them
and I would have loved to see more of them as well. Im sure everyone has a
favorite character, but they focused the movie on the characters that people
wanted to see. Ken, Ryu, Chun Li, Sakura and a bit of Akuma.

In fact if they put Bison in every movie and he kept getting his ass kicked
at the end, wouldnt be much of a villain would he. Im actually glad it wasnt
Bison.

As for shun, he was just a character. I really cant beleive you all so hyped
about him. If your that concerned, what about the guy who cleans the dojo,
we've never seen him before.

I think you guys are really depressed cause you didnt get to see every
thing.


>From: "Darrick Chen" <dare2live@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 15:32:44 -0600
>
>Thought I'd add my two cents, as I really think no one was awaiting this
>anime more than I.
>
>First the positives:
>
>Really well animated fighting sequences, especially the ones involving Chun
>Li at the beginning and during the end credits.
>
>Had some of my favorite SFA characters in it, such as Sakura and Rose.
>
>Now the negatives:
>
>Hackneyed story. Let's use the long lost brother routine AND patch it into
>a
>BAD action movie pilot.
>
>Utter WASTE of good characters. The whole SF Alpha/Zero game series
>revitalized an aging franchise by infusing new, creative, and orginal
>characters into its roster. Hell, they brought GUY from Final Fight in, and
>what do they do? Give him less than 15 collected seconds of screen time.
>BIRDY got more screen time than him, and even got to speak.
>
>This could have been a great way to expand the world of the anime SF, by
>elaborating on its lesser known characters and giving it some substance.
>But
>once again it's all about Ken and Ryu and the "fight". Note to Capcom:
>ALRIGHT ALREADY! THEY'RE BADASSES! WE GET THE PICTURE!
>
>They ditched the entire SF mythos. Who was this dork that was running the
>"tournament". Moreover, why should we care? Where's Bison/Vega? Where's
>AKUMA for that matter? Every promotion I've seen for SFA was implying that
>Akuma played a big role. He's in it for less than 10 minutes. What the
>hell.
>
>Someone should drop kick Shun. I can't beleive they brought this, the
>Scrappy Doo of SF (or is that Dan) and gave him more focus than say,
>Sakura.
>
>Wasted all the multiple back stories the Alpha series brought up. What
>about
>Charlie/Nash? What about Rose and Bison/Vega? ANY of these already existing
>plotlines would have made a better movie and satisfied a LOT fo the fans
>who've been waiting.
>
>Worst thing is, is that I don't think they're going to make any more SF
>anime after this one. The franchise (at least in Japan) is starting to wane
>more than a little.
>
>Maybe I'm overly disappointed or pessimistic. My opinion, anyway.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10623 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Totally ignoring Street fighter Alpha Movie
Marmic, I dont know where you got this information, but I would like to see
it for my self. Because it really is confusing.
According to a SF3 ending if i can remember, Bison used to be Rose's
teacher. Ill have to look it up again. and as I recall Evil ryu was a
playable character in sfa2.


>From: "marnic"<marnic@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Totally ignoring Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:58:02 -0300
>
>Well, i have something to add about SFA (not the movie,
>sincerely you have talked more than i ever would about
>it)
>
>Once i commented that according to the Alpha storyline,
>Bison got his powers from killing Rose's dad. A friend
>commented that i left things a bit confused so here's
>the whole deal.
>
>Rose, her dad, and SOME family members (not all) were
>the keepers of a certain unmentioned artifact, it seems.
>Thanx to this artifact, they developed their psychic
>powers. Then came Bison, and turned Rose's family in
>horse-food, so to speak and steals the artifact, and
>their powers (and maybe lifeforce) with it.
>
>Rose escaped this destiny, probably because she wasn't
>home when it happened, it isn't explained. She later
>discovers that Bison was the guy responsible and goes
>after him. If you get the "perfect ending" in the 1rst
>Alpha, she manages to defeat Bison and tries then to
>absorb the power from him. She does not suceeds, but
>does get a part of it out of him. That's why Bison is
>more powerful in d 1rst Alpha than in SF2, that's later,
>chronologically speaking.
>
>Ah, and if i'm not mistaken, Evil Ryu appears in d 3rd
>Alpha, and it's a result of Bison's tampering with Ryu's
>mind & chi.
>
>Hope this is useful to anyone.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10624 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Sorry allow me to correct my self. Yes base it on the BJJ or even the
Jiu-jitsu in contenders i beleeive. but modify it. SF is all flashy moves
and stuff.
So why not just use the Jiu jitsu in the game.

I realize how long a round is. Im simply saying That a real fight might not
last 60 seconds. The UFC challanages was full of examples.

>then, uh, what do you base it on? there's already a Jiu-jitsu style in SF.
>
>don't forget, a round is like three seconds. Long enough to throw a punch
>or two, tops.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
>
>
> >Om so you simply dont base it upon the actual BJJ.
> >The shotokan Karate in SF is hardly accurate.
> >And if were talking real fights, most real fights dont last 10 rounds.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
> >>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:07:33 -0500
> >>
> >>I pondered it once, but after seeing BJJ in action I figured it was a
> >>boring
> >>style.
> >>
> >>Effective, yes, but who wants to watch a Street Fight where two guys
>circle
> >>each other for three minutes and then one knocks the other down and
>rolls
> >>around with him in a package for the next two minutes? BJJ fighters
>would
> >>have Glory ratings so low Rank 1s would be laughing at them.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: throwrocks@... <throwrocks@...>
> >>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:04 PM
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
> >>
> >>
> >> >Has anyone converted the style of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to SF:STG yet???
> >> >
> >> >If not, I probably will.
> >> >
> >> >I took Judo and Jiu Jitsu before moving on to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and
> >> >it ROCKS!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10625 From: shinzite@yahoo.com Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: About techniques and quantum powers
Check in the file section i have downloaded a basic document dealing
with an abberant streetfighter Conversion thing!

Cliff
Group: streetfighter Message: 10626 From: anton_figueroa@juno.com Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: trying to subscribe
I'm trying to subscribe my new account for this list but having a bit
trouble.
Does anyone remember how?
I went to the web page for the SF list (not the yahoo/egroups) one and
entered my e-mail but I haven't gotten any mails yet.

I plan on canceling this account soon.

Thanks,
Tony
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10627 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/20/2001
Subject: Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie animals
But the kid he doesnt know enough. Ryu semms to know hardly anything about
his original family, except that he was dropped if to gouken. Otherwise he
doesnt care.
The kid knew nothing. He tried to pass off as Ryu's brother.
Shun could easily have made that stuff up.

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>animals
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:54:13 -0500
>
>I mean, he comes up and says he's Ryu's brother, knows enough to pass
>himself off as such, and then at the end we discover he probably isn't.
>Ryu
>never outright denies Shun, only minimally accepts him. If Shun isn't, how
>did he know the stuff he said he knew? If he was wrong, Ryu would have
>said
>so.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
>Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie furrie
>animals
>
>
> >Hi there
> >
> >Im not sure I understand what you mean that he's a plot whole.
> >All that happened was that this kid runs up to ryu claiming he's his
> >brother. Ryu doesnt care if he is or isnt or if the facts are true or
>not.
> >According to rose he didnt even care what was going t happen to the kid
>till
> >she mentioned it.
> >
> >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie
>furrie
> >>animals
> >>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:52:34 -0500
> >>
> >>in other words, the kid's a walking plot hole. if he's not Ryu's
>brother,
> >>he knows enough about him to pass as such. :)
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
> >>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:02 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Fathers, sons, Ler Drit, and manie
>furrie
> >>animals
> >>
> >>
> >> >Hold on steve. Theres a few mistakes. We know that Ryu has been with
> >>gouken
> >> >since he was a child, but the rest of the information you have on Ryu
>was
> >> >given by Shun. And shun is hardly an accurate source of information.
> >> >
> >> >>It's been hinted at in Street Fighter Alpha: the Animation (which I
> >>bought
> >> >>on DVD recently, w00t!) that Akuma *might* be Ryu's father. Although
> >>the
> >> >>storyline is a little muddled (and the movie badly animated IMO, but
>I
> >> >>digress), here is what we discover about Ryu's lineage;
> >> >>
> >> >>Ryu was left with Gouken by his mother, who claimed she had "good
> >>reasons"
> >> >>to do so. She then fled to Brazil and had a second son, named Shen.
> >> >>
> >> >>Shen later tracked down Ryu and revealed he had the power of Dark
>Hadou.
> >> >>When questioned, he said that he learned it from his father.
> >> >>
> >> >>Okay, so who was Shen's father? Shen is much younger than Ryu, and
>if
> >>they
> >> >>share the same father then Ryu's mother's attempt to flee the bastard
> >>did
> >> >>no
> >> >>good, as he was still with her about a decade later. But if they
>didn't
> >> >>share the same father then there are multiple folks out there with
>Dark
> >> >>Hadou running around.
> >> >>
> >> >>When Ryu questions Akuma about his past, Akuma says "the path I walk,
>I
> >> >>walk
> >> >>alone."
> >> >>
> >> >>this could be interpreted multiple ways.
> >> >>
> >> >>guess we won't know until there's a sequel.
> >> >>
> >> >>on the subject of Ler Drit, it's already been mentioned that it's a
> >> >>real-world style. Watching Bison from the original Street Fighter II
> >>games
> >> >>suggests a Thai style to his kicks, and knee strikes, which tells me
> >>that
> >> >>the real-world Ler Drit combined with psychic powers is his style.
> >> >>However,
> >> >>one could then postulate that the Thai military either switched to
> >>straight
> >> >>Muay Thai or just stopped telling people it trained them in Ler Drit
>to
> >> >>avoid the stigma, and Ler Drit became Bison's own style.
> >> >>
> >> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10628 From: AzQ Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Evil Ryu, Rose and the like
Hey Guys,

Evil Ryu is a secret character in SFA3, that you get after beating the World Circuit mode; in SFA2, you can play as Akuma, but NOT as Evil Ryu, unless it's a cheat that I ignore completely.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 10629 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
In my campaign, I use a slightly modified version of
the "official" SF JiuJitsu. I don't make a distinction
between JiuJitsu and Brazilian JiuJitsu, because it's
all essentially the same thing.

Anyway, to make a Gracie-style JiuJitsu fighter, all
you really need is Breakfall, Grappling Defense,
Improved Pin, Dislocate Limb, and Neck Choke. Those
are the most commonly-seen maneuvers used in
competition.

Although you have to remember that the Gracies don't
exactly have the market cornered on grappling. Their
success has more to do with the fact that they have
been training all their lives and are in peak physical
condition than it does with the supposed "superiority"
of their style.

JiuJitsu was already effective before anyone in Brazil
had ever heard of it, and any fighter who is already
adept at their chosen style can study submission
techniques and be able to hold their own in any ground
fight. You can even go to www.SubmissionFighting.com
and see detailed illustrations that explain how to
execute takedowns, submissions, and escapes!

>>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>>I pondered it once, but after seeing BJJ in action I
figured it was a boring style.
>>
>>Effective, yes, but who wants to watch a Street
Fight where two guys circle each other for three
minutes and then one knocks the other down and rolls
around with him in a package for the next two minutes?
BJJ fighters would have Glory ratings so low Rank 1s
would be laughing at them.

Yeah, laughing all the way to the emergency room!

Rev.

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Group: streetfighter Message: 10630 From: reshma woodit Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Actually, and this is something that didn't hit me until well after I'd
>seen
>it, but in the SF2 animated movie, Chun Li never actually MET KEn and Ryu.
>Senseless trivia I know, but interesting nonetheless.

That is interesting, but just as well Chun Li didn't meet Ken, or Eliza
would have had a problem!

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Group: streetfighter Message: 10631 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
the problem with using the jiu jitsu in the book is they dont have
groundfighting.

also, you might wanna think twice about the gracies style. they
fought and beat plenty who were ALSO in peak condition and had
trained their whole life.

it may not be superior to ALL styles but it definately is superior
against a lot of them. the only styles that can really stack up
against gracie or brazilian are other grappling styles like sanbo or
shootfighting.

have you ever taken gracie jiu jitsu or do you just watch it and
judge it?

the reason i ask is theres a lot going on that you dont realise,
subtle intracasies (spelling) that you dont notice unless youve
studied it.

Watching Royce in the UFC BOTH before and after i trained in BJJ was
like watching totally different tournaments!!
theres a lot going on youd never notice.

dont say the styles not strong just because you dont know anything
about it. If you HAVE taken it, icq or e mail me, id love to chat.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., The Reverend Doktor <robotomizer@y...>
wrote:
> In my campaign, I use a slightly modified version of
> the "official" SF JiuJitsu. I don't make a distinction
> between JiuJitsu and Brazilian JiuJitsu, because it's
> all essentially the same thing.
>
> Anyway, to make a Gracie-style JiuJitsu fighter, all
> you really need is Breakfall, Grappling Defense,
> Improved Pin, Dislocate Limb, and Neck Choke. Those
> are the most commonly-seen maneuvers used in
> competition.
>
> Although you have to remember that the Gracies don't
> exactly have the market cornered on grappling. Their
> success has more to do with the fact that they have
> been training all their lives and are in peak physical
> condition than it does with the supposed "superiority"
> of their style.
>
> JiuJitsu was already effective before anyone in Brazil
> had ever heard of it, and any fighter who is already
> adept at their chosen style can study submission
> techniques and be able to hold their own in any ground
> fight. You can even go to www.SubmissionFighting.com
> and see detailed illustrations that explain how to
> execute takedowns, submissions, and escapes!
>
> >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...>
> >>I pondered it once, but after seeing BJJ in action I
> figured it was a boring style.
> >>
> >>Effective, yes, but who wants to watch a Street
> Fight where two guys circle each other for three
> minutes and then one knocks the other down and rolls
> around with him in a package for the next two minutes?
> BJJ fighters would have Glory ratings so low Rank 1s
> would be laughing at them.
>
> Yeah, laughing all the way to the emergency room!
>
> Rev.
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10632 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/21/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Its a tournament. You should think about that before you judge the style.


>From: throwrocks@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
>Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:31:03 -0000
>
>the problem with using the jiu jitsu in the book is they dont have
>groundfighting.
>
>also, you might wanna think twice about the gracies style. they
>fought and beat plenty who were ALSO in peak condition and had
>trained their whole life.
>
>it may not be superior to ALL styles but it definately is superior
>against a lot of them. the only styles that can really stack up
>against gracie or brazilian are other grappling styles like sanbo or
>shootfighting.
>
>have you ever taken gracie jiu jitsu or do you just watch it and
>judge it?
>
>the reason i ask is theres a lot going on that you dont realise,
>subtle intracasies (spelling) that you dont notice unless youve
>studied it.
>
>Watching Royce in the UFC BOTH before and after i trained in BJJ was
>like watching totally different tournaments!!
>theres a lot going on youd never notice.
>
>dont say the styles not strong just because you dont know anything
>about it. If you HAVE taken it, icq or e mail me, id love to chat.
>
>Matt
>
>--- In streetfighter@y..., The Reverend Doktor <robotomizer@y...>
>wrote:
> > In my campaign, I use a slightly modified version of
> > the "official" SF JiuJitsu. I don't make a distinction
> > between JiuJitsu and Brazilian JiuJitsu, because it's
> > all essentially the same thing.
> >
> > Anyway, to make a Gracie-style JiuJitsu fighter, all
> > you really need is Breakfall, Grappling Defense,
> > Improved Pin, Dislocate Limb, and Neck Choke. Those
> > are the most commonly-seen maneuvers used in
> > competition.
> >
> > Although you have to remember that the Gracies don't
> > exactly have the market cornered on grappling. Their
> > success has more to do with the fact that they have
> > been training all their lives and are in peak physical
> > condition than it does with the supposed "superiority"
> > of their style.
> >
> > JiuJitsu was already effective before anyone in Brazil
> > had ever heard of it, and any fighter who is already
> > adept at their chosen style can study submission
> > techniques and be able to hold their own in any ground
> > fight. You can even go to www.SubmissionFighting.com
> > and see detailed illustrations that explain how to
> > execute takedowns, submissions, and escapes!
> >
> > >>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@s...>
> > >>I pondered it once, but after seeing BJJ in action I
> > figured it was a boring style.
> > >>
> > >>Effective, yes, but who wants to watch a Street
> > Fight where two guys circle each other for three
> > minutes and then one knocks the other down and rolls
> > around with him in a package for the next two minutes?
> > BJJ fighters would have Glory ratings so low Rank 1s
> > would be laughing at them.
> >
> > Yeah, laughing all the way to the emergency room!
> >
> > Rev.
> >
> > =====
> > Congratulations to George W. Bush for overcoming a crippling mental
>handicap to win the nation's highest office. Kudos are also in order
>for his family for surreptitiously rigging the election in his favor
>with total impunity. GODDAMMIT!!! If that PISSES YOU OFF, visit
>www.subgenius.com (ask for "Bob") Together we can STOP these foolish
>humans!!!
> >
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10633 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Hi Matt,

I just wanted to clear the air a little. I'm sorry if
I offended you, because I never meant to disrespect
you or your style. I have seen several of the Gracies
in action, and they have always won, and they have all
impressed me; not only with their mastery of technique
but also the way they differ from each other
individually in terms of their approach to a fight.

Royce is cool and calculating like a snake, waiting
for the right opportunity with Job-like patience, and
then suprising his opponent with an unconventional
choke. Ralph explodes into his opponent, dominating
and forcing a submission - his opponents are almost
GLAD to tap out just to make him stop. Renzo is a
consummate champion, a Ryu-like figure who finds peace
in his art and who is without peer as a warrior. It
takes a true master to be able to express himself
emotionally through a martial art, and I respect them
all for that.

And the Gracies have had an undeniable impact on the
fighting world. Anyone with half a brain who fights in
mixed-martial-arts competition studies some form of
grappling now, and with good reason: a lack of
experience on the ground will make you tap out every
time. I myself know the feeling of tapping out due to
a split-second error in judgement, or because I am
simply trapped in a hold that is causing me to slowly
lose consciousness. You live, you learn.

Yes, Gracie JiuJitsu is vastly superior to something
like Tae Kwan Do, or Boxing, or Kickboxing because
those styles have no ground technique. And against a
similar grappling system such as Sanbo, or Submission
Fighting, or Shootfighting, the Gracie system is still
highly effective because the student learns to counter
a hold with a hold of his own. A relatively
inexperienced opponent loses heart because every
offensive move he makes is turned against him. He
hesitates and then he thinks too much, resulting in a
bad decision -- and then he taps out.

All I meant was that YES, Gracie JiuJitsu is an
incredibly complete and effective martial art for
self-defense as well as competition, but that to
broadly state that it is superior to other
grappling-oriented systems is... well, I'm not saying
other styles are better, just that they are equally
valid. A fighter who is in exemplary physical and
mental shape and who has a COMPLETE understanding of
the ground game can not be intimidated or outclassed
by a Brazilian JiuJitsu fighter, because he will have
the skills and conditioning and philosophy necessary
to go the distance. He is no better or no worse, just
a little different but equally prepared.

In answer to your question, no I am not a student of
Gracie JiuJitsu, but I am perceptive, and I believe I
have picked up on some of the subtleties you
mentioned. I'm sure you have been taught many things
that are hidden to the casual observer, but I
recognize breathing techniques when I see them, and I
know that when Royce appears to be panicked and
exhausted, he is simply resting, making slight
improvements in his position, and waiting for his
opponent to make a mistake so that he can deliver a
submission. I have seen him use his own gi to choke
his opponent, and I know that when he delivers those
heel-strikes to his opponent's kidneys, he's just
trying to rattle them into making an unwise decision.
I know that he will often sucker an opponent into
taking him down by throwing a weak leg-kick, hoping
his opponent will try a single-leg takedown. After
all, Royce WANTS to end up on his back, so he can get
the closed guard. Then it's HIS fight. He breathes,
and he waits, and he wins.

So please don't think I'm being disrespectful - or
ignorant. My tone was probably a little flippant, and
I apologize if I offended you. Like I said, I am not a
Gracie JiuJitsu student, just a guy who researches ALL
forms of fighting and believes that no single style
can be the best.

Again, I'm sorry if I have offended you. Peace?

Now, back to Street Fighter: this is the maneuver list
for JiuJitsu in my campaign. I'd like to know what you
think: Monkey Grab Punch 1, Foot Sweep 1, Wounded Knee
2, Deflecting Punch 1, Back Breaker 1, Backroll Throw
1, Dislocate Limb 2, Flying Tackle 1, Grappling
Defense 3, Improved Pin 2, Knee Basher 2, Neck Choke
1, Pin 3, Sleeper 3, Suplex 1, Breakfall 1,
Groundfighting 4, Regeneration 2, Toughskin 3, Zen No
Mind 3.

Am I on the right track? I know the SF system doesn't
have heel hooks or knee bars, and the Groundfighting
rules are silly and inappropriate, but the JiuJitsu
fighters in our campaign are still pretty scary!

Here is our maneuver list for Submission Fighting:
Elbow Smash 1, Head Butt 1, Monkey Grab Punch 1,
Footsweep 1, Wounded Knee 2, Back Breaker 1, Brain
Cracker 1, Disengage 2, Flying Tackle 1, Grappling
Defense 3, Headbutt Hold 1, Knee Basher 2, Neck Choke
1, Pin 3, Sleeper 3, Stomach Pump 2, Suplex 1,
Breakfall 1, Groundfighting 4, Toughskin 3.

The Rev

--- throwrocks@... wrote:
> the problem with using the jiu jitsu in the book is
> they dont have
> groundfighting.
>
> also, you might wanna think twice about the gracies
> style. they
> fought and beat plenty who were ALSO in peak
> condition and had
> trained their whole life.
>
> it may not be superior to ALL styles but it
> definately is superior
> against a lot of them. the only styles that can
> really stack up
> against gracie or brazilian are other grappling
> styles like sanbo or
> shootfighting.
>
> have you ever taken gracie jiu jitsu or do you just
> watch it and
> judge it?
>
> the reason i ask is theres a lot going on that you
> dont realise,
> subtle intracasies (spelling) that you dont notice
> unless youve
> studied it.
>
> Watching Royce in the UFC BOTH before and after i
> trained in BJJ was
> like watching totally different tournaments!!
> theres a lot going on youd never notice.
>
> dont say the styles not strong just because you dont
> know anything
> about it. If you HAVE taken it, icq or e mail me,
> id love to chat.
>
> Matt


=====
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10634 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
"and the Groundfighting
rules are silly and inappropriate..."

'splain yourself.
Group: streetfighter Message: 10635 From: marbler@dragonbbs.com Date: 3/22/2001
Subject: New to group, Sort of
I've been subscribed to the group for some time (cardiss@...).
I switched ISP's.
In the past I have never really had a chance to post or read to it.

I have been compiling all the martial arts from the book into a very
comprehensive document. I am currently in the process of re-vamping it
adding in Prerequisites, Book/Page, if it's an any maneuver and it's
cost plus listing any Prerequisites maneuvers with it's costs, etc.
underneath the main maneuver list not part of the style. I got so
sick of flipping books during character creation between all 5
books / screen.

I was wondering if you would allow me to attach each style, for
anyone who wants to point out any errors. I have two done already.

I also have been finding all the instances of when the maneuver list
has it at a certain cost, and the maneuver description has it at a
different cost.

Does any one know of any official WD errata that has been released.
Group: streetfighter Message: 10636 From: Robert Pascuttini Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Street fighter Alpha Movie
Yah. I read that to and thought "what the..."


>From: Fred Chagnon <seagull@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>To: Steve Karstensen <skarsten@...>
>CC: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Street fighter Alpha Movie
>Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:11:30 -0500 (EST)
>
>| No, I have the commercially-released version, same as you.
>|
>| Beware the Dark Si... err, Hadou, Ryu, or forever will it dominate
>| your destiny!
>
>Hmmmm....hard to see, the dark hadou is.
>Consume you it will.
>
>I wasn't that impressed with this movie either. Also it says on the back
>of the case that it's the sequel to the Street Fighter II V series (which
>I love), but it's not.
>
>How many times does Chun Li have to meet Ken and Ruy??
>
>___________________________________________________
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>seagull@... make you a better person."
>seagull@... - Peter Olafson
>

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Group: streetfighter Message: 10637 From: JOe Keilman Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: The slowest move of all?
So what's the deal with zen no mind? I mean, sure you pick three moves, but
you go at the absolute end of the turn. So you can be thinking real hard
about what you can do to the guy who puts you in a sustained hold that you
can't interupt out of, cause yer one with the universe, or something right?
Seriously tho, I dunno if it's just poorly presented, but I just don't see
the benifit of this move. Anyone want to explain in for me?
-------
JOe


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Group: streetfighter Message: 10638 From: Andy Johnston Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Is there a Street Fighing-tailor in the house?
Ok Guys... Time to use your combined wealth of knowledge to help out poor little Andy.  I've been looking over the file in the vault SFA3Stats.txt and I'm at a loss to explain one aspect of it. In the text it goes into heavy detail descibing the WW of the ALpha games..... even detailing the size of parts of thier bodies (Bicepst, Thight, Bust, Etc.). It's here that i run into trouble... in this category it lists "Other Measures" and then a seires of 3# like this  ## / ##cm   ##cm.... I have no idea what they are represent. The sizes don't correlate to any measurements that I tend to know, and to top it off not everyone has the mesurements! Mainly it's just the guys that have them, but not every guy.. and at least one girl also has them listed.  I'm driven nuts trying to figure out if this is some type of clothing measure or what...
If you know what all this means, please enlighten me. Here's a list of a few stats for example.
Thanx
 
<!--StartFragment-->Name: Cammy
Birthdate: Unknown
Age: 16 (?)
Height: 164cm
Weight: 46kg
Bust: 83cm
Waist: 59cm
Hips: 86cm
Biceps: 31cm
Tights: 47cm
Other measures: 28cm
Blood Type: B
Fighting Style: Military Training
Birthplace: Unknown (Shadaloo's Laboratory? England? Greece?)
Status: Single woman (In SFA3 magazine, she is Vega/Bison's lover)
Underpants: Don't use
Likes: Lord Vega/Bison, collecting combat data
Dislikes: Lord Vega/Bison's enemies, sympathetic eyes

Name: Dee Jay
Birthdate: 31/10/1965
Height: 184cm
Weight: 92kg
Bust: 130cm
Waist: 89cm
Hips: 94cm
Biceps: 55cm
Tights: 51cm
Other measures: 22/26cm, 37cm
Blood Type: AB
Fighting Style: Kickboxing
Birthplace: Jamaica
Status: Bachelor
Underwear: Don't use or Boxers
Likes: Dance, Sings
Dislikes: Silence, Bad Things

Name: Guile
Birthdate: 23/12/1960
Height: 182cm
Weight: 86kg
Bust: 125cm
Waist: 83cm
Hips: 89cm
Biceps: 61cm
Tights: 57cm
Other measures: 20/25cm, 38cm
Blood Type: O
Fighting Style: Military Training
Birthplace: U. S. A.
Status: Divorced
Underwear: Boxer Briefs
Likes: Coffee
Dislikes: Lord Vega/Bison
 
Name: Chun-Li
Birthdate: 01/03/1968
Height: 169cm
Weight: Unknown (Unnoficial weight: 45kg)
Bust: 84cm
Waist: 59cm
Hips: 89cm
Biceps: 30cm
Tights: 42cm
Other measures: None
Blood Type: A
Fighting Style: Wu Shu
Birthplace: China
Status: Single woman
Underpants: Use normal ones
Likes: Fruit, western confectioneries
Dislikes: Lord Vega/Bison, crime, those who are unclear or indistinct


Group: streetfighter Message: 10639 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: New to group, Sort of
it's not official, but you can find all of your work already done for you by
going to the Street Fighter section of http://mu.ranter.net

-----Original Message-----
From: marbler@... <marbler@...>
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 10:50 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] New to group, Sort of


>I've been subscribed to the group for some time (cardiss@...).
>I switched ISP's.
>In the past I have never really had a chance to post or read to it.
>
>I have been compiling all the martial arts from the book into a very
>comprehensive document. I am currently in the process of re-vamping it
>adding in Prerequisites, Book/Page, if it's an any maneuver and it's
>cost plus listing any Prerequisites maneuvers with it's costs, etc.
>underneath the main maneuver list not part of the style. I got so
>sick of flipping books during character creation between all 5
>books / screen.
>
>I was wondering if you would allow me to attach each style, for
>anyone who wants to point out any errors. I have two done already.
>
>I also have been finding all the instances of when the maneuver list
>has it at a certain cost, and the maneuver description has it at a
>different cost.
>
>Does any one know of any official WD errata that has been released.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Group: streetfighter Message: 10640 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
well, you did outline one of its risks, but there are some serious benefits
to this move.

for one thing, you don't use it when you're within Grab distance. :)

Second, what you do is, pick three useful moves. like Fierce, Throw, and
Something Nasty (Dragon Punch, Yoga Flame, etc). Since you're going at the
very end of the round, your move cannot be defended against, and you can
tailor your attack to the situations that occurred during the turn.

for example;
I select Fierce, Roundhouse, and Throw. Everyone does their thing, then I
go last. One of my opponents played a Kick Defense this turn, so I choose
the Fierce and deck him at his reduced soak.

next turn, I pick the same three moves. Another opponent moves up into
throw range on his move. I then proceed to Throw him when I Zen, which he
cannot dodge since he already went.

Finally, I decide to switch attacks. I select Ice Blast instead of Throw on
the third round. My teammates are really getting pummeled by this one guy,
so I Zen into an Ice Blast. He can't Jump or otherwise dodge it since he's
already moved, and unles I miss entirely, he's now frozen.

A good rule of thumb is, do not Zen if you feel you are vulnerable to a hold
or a move that will keep you from attacking. It's best during team fights,
but if you keep your distance during singles bouts it can be used to great
effect as well. Zen No Mind and Ice Blast worked wonders against one of my
players, the original Number-Crunching Cartwheel Kicker From Hell. A friend
of mine also used to Zen into a Rising Storm Crow quite often, which our GM
hated. :)

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From: JOe Keilman <killajoe@...>
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com <streetfighter@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 11:16 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] The slowest move of all?


>So what's the deal with zen no mind? I mean, sure you pick three moves,
but
>you go at the absolute end of the turn. So you can be thinking real hard
>about what you can do to the guy who puts you in a sustained hold that you
>can't interupt out of, cause yer one with the universe, or something right?
>Seriously tho, I dunno if it's just poorly presented, but I just don't see
>the benifit of this move. Anyone want to explain in for me?
>-------
>JOe
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10641 From: Andy Johnston Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
Actually Zen No Mind has several advantages..... A Zenner that operates properly can really be a pain in the butt, especialy for the Speed Demons and Chicken Fighters (Steve K. tm). You may think that going last can't really help you, but one important thing to remeber is that no on can EVER interrupt you. Everyone else HAS to go before you. I will use the example of one PC, Le Wo Chong. He was a 5 dex Kung Fu who had Drunken monkey roll to Double Dread Kick (Dizzy) as a combo. A normal opponent would try and launch a speed 3 strong punch at him, only to find Le Wo had tumbled 3 hexes away. The next round, the poor shmuck would be knocked silly with the double dread kick. He would repeat this ad nauseum <even with docking renown>.  The slower fighter could never touch him, since he was always fast enough to interrupt and DMRoll away.  Then one day he met a guy who busted out Zen no Mind. I picked Roundhouse, Fire Ball, and Suplex. Le Wo chong could not wait to see what the guy was going to do and then roll away as he had done before. He now had to do his drunken monkey roll, and suffer the concequences. If he stopped far away he would eat a fireball, if he was a few hexes away then say hello to Mr. Roundhouse, and if he was at point blank the the suplex would DEFINETLY mess his hit and run combo.
 
And so Ended Le Wo Chogs run of terror.
 
Admittedly to use Zen No Mind properly you need to have other moves <of a variety> to back it up. Several good ones to use with it would be: Pin, Slide Kick, Suplex, Extendible Limbs, Ice Blast, or anything else to slow to normally be effective. Variety is always good, and remeber that Any 4. can get ZNM. Admittedly you are entierly vulnrable throuout the round, but that's part of reading your opponent and knowing when to play. If Joe has been doing Dragon punch with a move of 2, and you are 3 hexes away you might bust out with ZNM.  A common tactic is to Run away, and then use it the following turn, with mainly long distance attacks. When you do use it (Unless you're in a team fight) you have to remeber that most people are not going to just walk right up to you and stop....in fact many run away from it, so you usually want something that can hit them from a good ways off in the selection...
 
Anyone else have any good tactics with Zen No Mind?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10642 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
appology accepted.
I like this post a lot better than your oiginal.

you kind of came across like "The only reason they win is their good
conditioning" Which equates to the style not being good.

I smoke a pack a day and can beat kickboxers who run a mile a day
where i work out. BJJ rocks.

Matt

--- In streetfighter@y..., The Reverend Doktor <robotomizer@y...>
wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> I just wanted to clear the air a little. I'm sorry if
> I offended you, because I never meant to disrespect
> you or your style. I have seen several of the Gracies
> in action, and they have always won, and they have all
> impressed me; not only with their mastery of technique
> but also the way they differ from each other
> individually in terms of their approach to a fight.
>
> Royce is cool and calculating like a snake, waiting
> for the right opportunity with Job-like patience, and
> then suprising his opponent with an unconventional
> choke. Ralph explodes into his opponent, dominating
> and forcing a submission - his opponents are almost
> GLAD to tap out just to make him stop. Renzo is a
> consummate champion, a Ryu-like figure who finds peace
> in his art and who is without peer as a warrior. It
> takes a true master to be able to express himself
> emotionally through a martial art, and I respect them
> all for that.
>
> And the Gracies have had an undeniable impact on the
> fighting world. Anyone with half a brain who fights in
> mixed-martial-arts competition studies some form of
> grappling now, and with good reason: a lack of
> experience on the ground will make you tap out every
> time. I myself know the feeling of tapping out due to
> a split-second error in judgement, or because I am
> simply trapped in a hold that is causing me to slowly
> lose consciousness. You live, you learn.
>
> Yes, Gracie JiuJitsu is vastly superior to something
> like Tae Kwan Do, or Boxing, or Kickboxing because
> those styles have no ground technique. And against a
> similar grappling system such as Sanbo, or Submission
> Fighting, or Shootfighting, the Gracie system is still
> highly effective because the student learns to counter
> a hold with a hold of his own. A relatively
> inexperienced opponent loses heart because every
> offensive move he makes is turned against him. He
> hesitates and then he thinks too much, resulting in a
> bad decision -- and then he taps out.
>
> All I meant was that YES, Gracie JiuJitsu is an
> incredibly complete and effective martial art for
> self-defense as well as competition, but that to
> broadly state that it is superior to other
> grappling-oriented systems is... well, I'm not saying
> other styles are better, just that they are equally
> valid. A fighter who is in exemplary physical and
> mental shape and who has a COMPLETE understanding of
> the ground game can not be intimidated or outclassed
> by a Brazilian JiuJitsu fighter, because he will have
> the skills and conditioning and philosophy necessary
> to go the distance. He is no better or no worse, just
> a little different but equally prepared.
>
> In answer to your question, no I am not a student of
> Gracie JiuJitsu, but I am perceptive, and I believe I
> have picked up on some of the subtleties you
> mentioned. I'm sure you have been taught many things
> that are hidden to the casual observer, but I
> recognize breathing techniques when I see them, and I
> know that when Royce appears to be panicked and
> exhausted, he is simply resting, making slight
> improvements in his position, and waiting for his
> opponent to make a mistake so that he can deliver a
> submission. I have seen him use his own gi to choke
> his opponent, and I know that when he delivers those
> heel-strikes to his opponent's kidneys, he's just
> trying to rattle them into making an unwise decision.
> I know that he will often sucker an opponent into
> taking him down by throwing a weak leg-kick, hoping
> his opponent will try a single-leg takedown. After
> all, Royce WANTS to end up on his back, so he can get
> the closed guard. Then it's HIS fight. He breathes,
> and he waits, and he wins.
>
> So please don't think I'm being disrespectful - or
> ignorant. My tone was probably a little flippant, and
> I apologize if I offended you. Like I said, I am not a
> Gracie JiuJitsu student, just a guy who researches ALL
> forms of fighting and believes that no single style
> can be the best.
>
> Again, I'm sorry if I have offended you. Peace?
>
> Now, back to Street Fighter: this is the maneuver list
> for JiuJitsu in my campaign. I'd like to know what you
> think: Monkey Grab Punch 1, Foot Sweep 1, Wounded Knee
> 2, Deflecting Punch 1, Back Breaker 1, Backroll Throw
> 1, Dislocate Limb 2, Flying Tackle 1, Grappling
> Defense 3, Improved Pin 2, Knee Basher 2, Neck Choke
> 1, Pin 3, Sleeper 3, Suplex 1, Breakfall 1,
> Groundfighting 4, Regeneration 2, Toughskin 3, Zen No
> Mind 3.
>
> Am I on the right track? I know the SF system doesn't
> have heel hooks or knee bars, and the Groundfighting
> rules are silly and inappropriate, but the JiuJitsu
> fighters in our campaign are still pretty scary!
>
> Here is our maneuver list for Submission Fighting:
> Elbow Smash 1, Head Butt 1, Monkey Grab Punch 1,
> Footsweep 1, Wounded Knee 2, Back Breaker 1, Brain
> Cracker 1, Disengage 2, Flying Tackle 1, Grappling
> Defense 3, Headbutt Hold 1, Knee Basher 2, Neck Choke
> 1, Pin 3, Sleeper 3, Stomach Pump 2, Suplex 1,
> Breakfall 1, Groundfighting 4, Toughskin 3.
>
> The Rev
>
> --- throwrocks@b... wrote:
> > the problem with using the jiu jitsu in the book is
> > they dont have
> > groundfighting.
> >
> > also, you might wanna think twice about the gracies
> > style. they
> > fought and beat plenty who were ALSO in peak
> > condition and had
> > trained their whole life.
> >
> > it may not be superior to ALL styles but it
> > definately is superior
> > against a lot of them. the only styles that can
> > really stack up
> > against gracie or brazilian are other grappling
> > styles like sanbo or
> > shootfighting.
> >
> > have you ever taken gracie jiu jitsu or do you just
> > watch it and
> > judge it?
> >
> > the reason i ask is theres a lot going on that you
> > dont realise,
> > subtle intracasies (spelling) that you dont notice
> > unless youve
> > studied it.
> >
> > Watching Royce in the UFC BOTH before and after i
> > trained in BJJ was
> > like watching totally different tournaments!!
> > theres a lot going on youd never notice.
> >
> > dont say the styles not strong just because you dont
> > know anything
> > about it. If you HAVE taken it, icq or e mail me,
> > id love to chat.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10643 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: The slowest move of all?
i used to think the same way till i took a second look recently.
slow ppl go first in sf so really going last is like being fast.

main use ive found is ppl who are faster than a grappler will be far
away and just NOT interupt, so the grappler cant reach him with any
cool grabs. then hell move in and hit him. next round the speedy guy
WILL interupt and run out of grabbing range.

this can go on forever.

zen no mind keeps you from having to waste your move because your
opponent is out of range and refuses to interupt you and come closer.

the grappler in the example above could be slow as christmas and
still not have to whiff his grab into open air. he could save it
till the end of the round after his fast striking friend has moved
next to him to hit him.

same could be applied to other situations besides grapplers.

matt



--- In streetfighter@y..., JOe Keilman <killajoe@a...> wrote:
> So what's the deal with zen no mind? I mean, sure you pick three
moves, but
> you go at the absolute end of the turn. So you can be thinking
real hard
> about what you can do to the guy who puts you in a sustained hold
that you
> can't interupt out of, cause yer one with the universe, or
something right?
> Seriously tho, I dunno if it's just poorly presented, but I just
don't see
> the benifit of this move. Anyone want to explain in for me?
> -------
> JOe
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Group: streetfighter Message: 10644 From: throwrocks@bigfoot.com Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Re: Gracie/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
FYI,
that IS the obvious stuff.

you should take a little, Its whack how complicated some of it is.

--- In streetfighter@y..., The Reverend Doktor <robotomizer@y...>
wrote:
> In answer to your question, no I am not a student of
> Gracie JiuJitsu, but I am perceptive, and I believe I
> have picked up on some of the subtleties you
> mentioned. I'm sure you have been taught many things
> that are hidden to the casual observer, but I
> recognize breathing techniques when I see them, and I
> know that when Royce appears to be panicked and
> exhausted, he is simply resting, making slight
> improvements in his position, and waiting for his
> opponent to make a mistake so that he can deliver a
> submission. I have seen him use his own gi to choke
> his opponent, and I know that when he delivers those
> heel-strikes to his opponent's kidneys, he's just
> trying to rattle them into making an unwise decision.
> I know that he will often sucker an opponent into
> taking him down by throwing a weak leg-kick, hoping
> his opponent will try a single-leg takedown. After
> all, Royce WANTS to end up on his back, so he can get
> the closed guard. Then it's HIS fight. He breathes,
> and he waits, and he wins.
>
Group: streetfighter Message: 10645 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/23/2001
Subject: Newbie
Hello all!

Former player/owner/storyteller of the game, here...got rid of my book and
the screen some time back when I was getting rid of old RPG stuff, and now
kicking myself over it.

Does anyone know of a reliable site that sells out of print RPG items for a
reasonable price? I'd like to at least get the main book and Secrets of
Shadowloo, although any of the remaining products would be icing on the
cake.

Thanks in advance!
Tommy
Group: streetfighter Message: 10646 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: The Bouncer
Amazing game for the PS2!!

It has a realy good story that is totally adaptable to a Street
Fighter Campaign. The game basically has three characters you can play.
The main character, Sion, is a closed off martial arts type, comparable to
Ruy. Volt is a large, quiet wrestling type, and Kou, a special agent who
practices Tae Kwan Do.
Basically everytime there's a fight or event in the game, you get
to pick which of the three characters you're going to play. At times when
they've become seperated, sequences can play out complete;y differently
based on who you pick.
If anyone's looking for a campaign idea, see about picking this
game up for some ideas.

___________________________________________________
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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson
Group: streetfighter Message: 10647 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
| Former player/owner/storyteller of the game, here...got rid of my book
| and the screen some time back when I was getting rid of old RPG stuff,
| and now kicking myself over it.
|
| Does anyone know of a reliable site that sells out of print RPG items
| for a reasonable price? I'd like to at least get the main book and
| Secrets of Shadowloo, although any of the remaining products would be
| icing on the cake.
|
| Thanks in advance! Tommy

If I had a dime for everytime someone asked where the books are
available...

The only thing I can recommend is EBay, or any other online auction site.
That's how I got most of my books.

Cheers.

___________________________________________________
Fred Chagnon ` "Only in RPGs does fighting
seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson
Group: streetfighter Message: 10648 From: diddy kong Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: The Bouncer
--- Fred Chagnon <seagull@...> wrote:
> Amazing game for the PS2!!
>
> It has a realy good story that is totally adaptable
> to a Street
> Fighter Campaign. The game basically has three
> characters you can play.
> The main character, Sion, is a closed off martial
> arts type, comparable to
> Ruy. Volt is a large, quiet wrestling type, and Kou,
> a special agent who
> practices Tae Kwan Do.
> Basically everytime there's a fight or event in the
> game, you get
> to pick which of the three characters you're going
> to play. At times when
> they've become seperated, sequences can play out
> complete;y differently
> based on who you pick.
> If anyone's looking for a campaign idea, see about
> picking this
> game up for some ideas.
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Fred Chagnon ` "Only in RPGs does fighting
> seagull@... make you a better person."
> seagull@... - Peter Olafson
> welll if you know its really an rpg as if there
where any game that i want forthe ps2(witch I want
also)would be armor core 2 it has great game play
graphics the sounds killer and the videos rule
>


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Group: streetfighter Message: 10649 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
> If I had a dime for everytime someone asked where the books are
> available...
>
> The only thing I can recommend is EBay, or any other online auction site.
> That's how I got most of my books.
>
> Cheers.

Sorry for being one of "those" guys...{seeing as how, if I had a dime for
every person on the Marvel Saga list who asked for stats on the X-Men, I
could afford a set of Street Fighter books} but I didn't know if maybe there
wasn't a place on-line that traffics in out of print books...

Anywho, thanks for the heads up, and I've got my eyes open...

Tommy
Group: streetfighter Message: 10650 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
| Sorry for being one of "those" guys...{seeing as how, if I had a dime
| for every person on the Marvel Saga list who asked for stats on the
| X-Men, I could afford a set of Street Fighter books} but I didn't know
| if maybe there wasn't a place on-line that traffics in out of print
| books...

Upon re-reading my post I hope I didn't come across as annoyed.

I meant only to point out that's it's a popular first question. That's
all.

Anyway: here's a few links I found to get you started:

Original Sourcebook:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=571032076
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=570688676

Perfect Warrior and Screen:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=572405234

___________________________________________________
Fred Chagnon ` "Only in RPGs does fighting
seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson
Group: streetfighter Message: 10651 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/24/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
> Upon re-reading my post I hope I didn't come across as annoyed.

Oh, not a problem...I've been on enough mailing lists to know how things
like that can be....someone asking the same question several people have
already asked...no offense taken..=)

Thanks for the links, very much appreciated!

Tommy
Group: streetfighter Message: 10652 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Gateway Groups and Bouts.
Very well at this moment we have some quits Tsui Hui isn´t here, and I must take her out of this event sorry Steve.
Now we have all the fighters so we must build small groups:
 
A good thing to remember tactics who wants changes who want keep the pattern and better who not send it to me?
 
1. Artemis Steele (Josh Diemert) U.S.A. *Champion- of Last Ediction*
2. Alex Duerden (Eric Justiniano) U.S.A.
3. "Dizzy Lizzy" Parker (Thomas Merton) U.S.A.
4. Rasputan Petrov (Matt Meade) Russia
5. Mr.Military (J.Scott Pittman) U.S.A.
6. Cross (Johnathan Combs) U.S.A
7. Randy O'Hara (anton_figueroa@...) U.S.A.
8. Mason (JOe Keilman) U.S.A
9. Derek 'Ghostmark' Blackwater (Jens-Arthur Leirbakk) U.S.A

Npc´s

10. Van Bosh (Npc) Holland
11. Nigel Stern (Npc) England
12. Steinar Adolfsson (Npc) Iceland
13. Vladimir Kulik (Npc) Russia
14. Carlos Torres (Npc) Brazil
15. Jean Phillipe Lecointe (Npc) Swiss
16. Elizabeth Macgovern (Npc) Scotland


Orient Group

Players

1. Gokiwa (Chris Hoffmann) Japan.
2. Hotaru Seijuro (Lord Arkon) Japan.
3. Jimmy Ling (Niemand) Hong Kong - China
4. Johnny Wing (Rev Doctor) Hong Kong - China
Npc´s
 
5. Jhun Yang Lee
6. Khali (Npc) India
7. Lai Yun (Npc) Taiwan
8. Daisuke Takagi (Npc) Japan
9. Khurnawian (Npc) Indonesia
10. Achmet (Npc) Iraq
11. Riad Miedl (Npc) Myanmar (Burma)
12. Kim Jung-Heok (Npc) South Korea
13. Sanor Samchay (Npc) Thailand
14. Ming Chan (Npc) China
15. Mohamed (Npc) Turkey
16. Keiko Takeda (Npc) Japan
17. Yung Mai (Npc) China
18. Tatsumi Kodoh (Npc) Japan




 
Group 1:
Artemis Steele
Khali
Nigel Stern
Riad Miedl
Group 2:
Gokiwa
Steinar Adolfsson
Achmet
Van Bosh
 
Group 3:
Mr.Military
Lai Yun
Elisabeth Mcgovern
Khurnawian
 
Group 4:
Hotaru Seijuro
Carlos Torres
Keiko Takeda
Vladimir Kulik
 
Group 5:
Alex Duerden
Kim Jung-Heok
Mason
Mohamed
 
Group 6:
Jimmy Ling
Jean Phillipe Lacointe
Sanor Samchay
"Dizzy" Lizy Parker
 
Group 7:
Cross
Daisuke Takagi
Rasputan Petrov
Johny Wing
 
Group 8:
Randy O´Hara
Yung Mai
Derek 'Ghostmark' Blackwater
Tatsumi Kodoh
 
Bouts Group 1:
Artemis Steele Vs Khali
Nigel Stern Vs Riad Miedl
 
Bouts Group 2:
Gokiwa Vs Steinar Adolfsson
Achmet Vs Van Bosh
 
Bouts Group 3:
Mr.Military Vs Lai Yun
Elisabeth Mcgovern Vs Khurnawian
 
Bouts Group 4:
Hotaru Seijuro Vs Carlos Torres
Keiko Takeda Vs Vladimir Kulik
 
Bouts Group 5:
Alex Duerden Vs Kim Jung-Heok
Jean Phillipe Lacointe Vs Mohamed
 
Bouts Group 6:
Jimmy Ling Vs Jean Phillipe Lacointe
Sanor Samchay Vs "Dizzy" Lizy Parker
 
Bouts Group 7:
Cross Vs Daisuke Takagi
Rasputan Petrov Vs Johny Wing
 
Bouts Group 8:
Randy O'Hara Vs Yung Mai
Derek 'Ghostmark' Blackwater Vs Tatsumi Kodoh
Group: streetfighter Message: 10653 From: Mike Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
Actually this brings up something weve talked about before in the past.
Posting the books online. I found a web page with the Classic Marvel Rpg
rules in pdf format available for download. Why couldnt we do this again? I
believe it was a copyright rule somewhere right?

MikeM

-----Original Message-----
From: Tommy Brownell [mailto:tommyb@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 7:12 PM
To: streetfighter@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Newbie


> If I had a dime for everytime someone asked where the books are
> available...
>
> The only thing I can recommend is EBay, or any other online auction site.
> That's how I got most of my books.
>
> Cheers.

Sorry for being one of "those" guys...{seeing as how, if I had a dime for
every person on the Marvel Saga list who asked for stats on the X-Men, I
could afford a set of Street Fighter books} but I didn't know if maybe there
wasn't a place on-line that traffics in out of print books...

Anywho, thanks for the heads up, and I've got my eyes open...

Tommy






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Group: streetfighter Message: 10654 From: The Reverend Doktor Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
--- Steve Karstensen <skarsten@...> wrote:
> "and the Groundfighting
> rules are silly and inappropriate..."
>
> 'splain yourself.

"Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"

Well, the limitations make sense (no aerial maneuvers
and no throws, -2 Speed and -2 Damage if the maneuver
is not specifically low-hitting) but it's only
available to a handlful of styles, and if I understand
this maneuver correctly - - that it allows to to
attack a standing opponent while you are on the ground
- - then it should be available to nearly all styles,
and it should not require an athletics rating of 4!

An example of another Maneuver with an Athletics
requirement of 4: Whirlwind Kick, a maneuver that
allows you to jump into the air, flip upside-down, and
spin around in circles while moving forward and
delivering a series of rapid-fire kicks. To equate
that to being able to, for example, do a Foot Sweep on
the ground is silly. To reflect the Athletic
requirements more accurately, it would make more sense
to require Kippup and/or Breakfall, and have the
Athletics requirement be 2. Keep in mind that a
fighter with an Athletics rating of 2 can learn
maneuvers like Backflip Kick, Cartwheel Kick, and
Thigh Press. That's pretty darned athletic!

And I think the "groundfighting" we were talking about
involved both fighters being on the ground. In that
context, the Street Fighter Groundfighting Maneuver is
inappropriate. The best way I know to simulate a
ground assault is to have combos that start with a
Flying Tackle, then a sustained hold with the speed
bonuses from the Tackle and the Combo. And the best
defense against a ground assault is to learn Disengage
and/or Grappling Defense. I'm still debating whether
Punch Defense or Deflecting Punch could be used
against a Brain Cracker... technically Grabs ignore
Blocks...

...but I digress :)

Rev



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Group: streetfighter Message: 10655 From: Tony Figueroa Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
At 09:49 AM 3/25/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>--- Steve Karstensen <skarsten@...> wrote:
>> "and the Groundfighting
>> rules are silly and inappropriate..."
>>
>> 'splain yourself.
>
>"Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"

Well, I've made up a modified Ground Fighting rules for my game. The other
storyteller hasn't gone over it yet. I think it makes sense because the
penalties seem reasonable and the styles that should get it, get it. Also,
the penalties of the original version, no one in their right mind would try
to stay on the ground and fight (with this version, someone without ground
fighting might be so foolish).

Also, in our game, we have a specific Crouching card that may be played
with any Basic maneuver for -1 Speed.

My Revised Groundfighting (Optional):
Prerequisites: Athletics 3
Power Points: Jiu Jitsu/Judo, Sambo, NAW, Wrestling, Commando Sambo,
Pankration 1; Special Forces 3; Any 4
When two fighters are knocked down, the fighter trained to fighting on the
ground has the upper hand. He knows how to move,
how to grapple, and how to make the other guy's life pain.
System: A fighter who attempts to fight after being knocked down who tries
to fight without getting up suffers a -1 Speed and
-2 Damage penalty. No combos of his will work on the ground either (unless
he has Groundfighting or they are specified as
such). Likewise, standing while trying to hit someone on the ground with an
attack that is questionable (as to whether it can hit a
low target) suffers a -1 Speed, -2 damage (non-crouching punches, etc).
Group: streetfighter Message: 10656 From: Tony Figueroa Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/Groundfighting
At 09:49 AM 3/25/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>--- Steve Karstensen <skarsten@...> wrote:
>> "and the Groundfighting
>> rules are silly and inappropriate..."

Oops, I made a typo on the cost for Revised Ground Fighting.

My Revised Groundfighting (Optional):
Prerequisites: Athletics 3
Power Points: Jiu Jitsu/Judo, Sambo, NAW, Wrestling, Commando Sambo,
Pankration 2; Special Forces 3; Any 4

Tony
Group: streetfighter Message: 10657 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
| Actually this brings up something weve talked about before in the
| past. Posting the books online. I found a web page with the Classic
| Marvel Rpg rules in pdf format available for download. Why couldnt we
| do this again? I believe it was a copyright rule somewhere right?

It was a copyright issue.
To quote Scott Pittman's message from Tuesday September 12th, 2000:

----------------------------------
"White Wolf Responded:
We do not currently have a license to print further Streetfighter
material, and therefore are not legally empowered to grant anyone
permission to do so either. We still own the copyright to the game itself,
but the rights to print under the Streetfighter trademark have expired.

So whether they wanted to give us permission or not or doesn't matter.
They can't give us permission is what they are saying."
----------------------------------

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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson
Group: streetfighter Message: 10658 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
> ----------------------------------
> "White Wolf Responded:
> We do not currently have a license to print further Streetfighter
> material, and therefore are not legally empowered to grant anyone
> permission to do so either. We still own the copyright to the game itself,
> but the rights to print under the Streetfighter trademark have expired.
>
> So whether they wanted to give us permission or not or doesn't matter.
> They can't give us permission is what they are saying."
> ----------------------------------

Hmmmm...any chance of getting it cleared through both Capcom and White Wolf?
Or has anyone tried?
Group: streetfighter Message: 10659 From: Fred Chagnon Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
| Hmmmm...any chance of getting it cleared through both Capcom and White
| Wolf? Or has anyone tried?

My knowledge on copyright law tells me this.

We would have to get White Wolf's permission in order to print and
distribute the texts contained within the covers of the Street Fighter:STG
source books.

We would also need Capcom's permission to print and distribute any
material containing the Street Fighter as well as all characters that are
also copyrighted.

There is alot of red tap involved.

The response we got from White Wolf seemed to be a rebound answer. A
"don't ask us, ask them" sort of response, when infact both parties have
to be involved.

I myself am not too sure how this would be approached. E-Mail is legally
binding, but imagine the difficulty of getting an official from both White
Wolf and Capcom to respond to our inquests.

___________________________________________________
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seagull@... make you a better person."
seagull@... - Peter Olafson
Group: streetfighter Message: 10660 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/25/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
> | Hmmmm...any chance of getting it cleared through both Capcom and White
> | Wolf? Or has anyone tried?
>
> My knowledge on copyright law tells me this.
>
> We would have to get White Wolf's permission in order to print and
> distribute the texts contained within the covers of the Street Fighter:STG
> source books.

Yep...game system and such guarantees this.

> We would also need Capcom's permission to print and distribute any
> material containing the Street Fighter as well as all characters that are
> also copyrighted.

And this goes without saying.

> There is alot of red tap involved.
>
> The response we got from White Wolf seemed to be a rebound answer. A
> "don't ask us, ask them" sort of response, when infact both parties have
> to be involved.

E-mail go-ahead from Capcom would seem to be helpful, no?

> I myself am not too sure how this would be approached. E-Mail is legally
> binding, but imagine the difficulty of getting an official from both White
> Wolf and Capcom to respond to our inquests.

Well, for whatever it's worth, an e-mail to Capcom *has* now been place.
Although, I can do all the legwork in the world, and it won't matter if no
one with the books will make the effort of posting them if it's
approved...=)
Group: streetfighter Message: 10661 From: marnic Date: 3/26/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
The oldie Marvel RPG ? Kewl... where's this page, uh ?

> Actually this brings up something weve talked about before in the past.
> Posting the books online. I found a web page with the Classic Marvel Rpg
> rules in pdf format available for download. Why couldnt we do this again? I
> believe it was a copyright rule somewhere right?
>



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Group: streetfighter Message: 10662 From: Tommy Brownell Date: 3/26/2001
Subject: Re: Newbie
> The oldie Marvel RPG ? Kewl... where's this page, uh ?
>
> > Actually this brings up something weve talked about before in the past.
> > Posting the books online. I found a web page with the Classic Marvel
Rpg
> > rules in pdf format available for download. Why couldnt we do this
again? I
> > believe it was a copyright rule somewhere right?

http://zap.to/zans

FWIW, wouldn't it be just as easy to get around White Wolf and Capcom as it
would TSR/WotC and Marvel?

Just a thought...=)