>I would like to which books each of you own from the Street Fighter: the
>Storytelling Game.
>
>J. Scott Pittman

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Scott Pittman

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:44 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Tournament Rules

Tournament Rules

by J. Scott Pittman (test version - tell me if any changes need to be made!)

A set of guidelines for playing tournaments using an e-mail club

Introduction

The following is a set of guidelines that explains how the Tournaments in the Street Fighter mailing list work. It has been created so that people who are new to the list can better understand what the Tournaments are and how they work.

What is a Street Fighter Tournament?

A Tournament is a contest between fighters, played through an e-mail list club. The idea is to set fighters agaist each other in sets of one-on-one bouts. The winner of those fights goes on to battle the winners of their matches, and so on, until one fighter makes it to the top. that fighter wins the tournament.

Who started the Tournaments?

Rinaldo, a member of the mailing list, actualy had the patience to start the first Tournament (as far as this author's knowledge goes). He has disappeared suddenly from the list, which leaves the mailing list open for new Tournaments.

How does it work?

Each player who enters a Tournament needs to create a character and submit that character and his Strategy (see below) to the Tournament Master (the person hosting the Tournament). The Tournament Master will decide what types of characters are legal, and if home-made Maneuvers are legal (sorry, but most of the time they are not due to wildly unbalanced Maneuvers being presented - hopefully, CHAMPS will help solve this problem and allow new Maneuver to enter the Tournament ring).

The Tournament Master compares the character's Strategies and makes dice rolls for the characters. He writes down the results (some Masters adding conversation and dramatic detail), and you get to see who wins. While some Masters may make the matches 2 out of three to detirmine the victor, most of the time they will chose a one-match victory for speed's sake (PBEM can be time-consuming with many people).

Strategy

Each character in a Tournament must have a Strategy - a list of moves he will make, in order, 20 Maneuvers long. Most Tournaments don't last 20 turns, but if the last turn is reached, Time Up is called and the character that scored the most damage to his opponent wins the bout.

Strategies can be as simple as "use a fierce punch each turn" or very complex. Some things to remember when designing your Strategy are:

1. What will your character do if your opponent is Dizzied? (If you do not include any description of this in your Strategy, it is assumed that you will NOT attack your opponent.)

2. Is there any time you will Abort to a Block Maneuver? If so, under what circumstances? When will your character Abort to Move or another Maneuver that can be used to dodge projectiles? After Aborting, where will your Strategy continue?

3. If the majority of your maneuver use Chi or Willpower, what will your character do if he runs out of Chi/Willpower?

4. If your character has a Combo attack, make sure to point out that your character is beginning a Combo in your Strategy.

Example Strategy:

Mr. Bad Boy's Strategy

1. Block

2. Fierce Punch

3. Block (starting Combo)

4. Dragon Punch

5. return to step 1

Dizzied

:

Attack using Roundhouse Kick

Aborts

:

If attacked by any Maneuver that can strike multiple times, Abort to Block, then return to step 1

If attacked by a projectile, Abort to Jump, then return to step 3

Chi / Willpower

If Willpower drops to 0, place Fierce Punch in place of Dragon Punch

Altered PBEM Maneuvers

The following Maneuvers have been altered by the Street Fighter Mailing List to make them playable in the Tournaments, without the use of Combat Cards:

Mind Reading

* (sf 129, modified for PBEM tournaments)

The fighter can read the thoughts of his opponent, possibly predicting moves

and reacting far easier to those actions.

Focus Maneuver

To Learn: First the character must learn Telepathy {focus 3}, then Mind

Reading {focus 4, telepathy}

Power Points: kabaddi, ler drit, aikido, baraquah, lua, silat 3, any 4

System: the Mind reading special maneuver is not played as a combat card.

Instead, the player announces his intent to use this maneuver between turns.

The character spends one Chi and chooses one opponent as the target of this

power. The two characters make a resisted Willpower roll.

If the mind-reading character wins the roll, the victim's action becomes

one difficulty number greater than it would normally be (Difficulty 7 in

most tournament cases). If the mind-reading character wins the resisted roll

by five successes (indicating Phenomenal Success), the victim's action is

increased by two (Difficulty 8 in most cases). In no case will the

difficulty be raised above +2. The victim must be within a number of hexes

equal to the mind reader's Wits + Focus.

If used outside of combat, the mind-reading character can gain information

this way, at the Storyteller's discresion (more successes equal more

information). the victim will not realize his mind is being read unless the

roll botches.

Modifiers: cost: 1 chi, speed; none, damage: none, move; none

Training Notes:

Some rare practitioners may continue on to learn Mind Control (This is an

incredible maneuver, and learning it can take years. First, the practitioner

must learn Psychic Vise {focus 4}, and Mind Reading {focus 4, telepathy

(telpathy requires focus 3)}. He may learn Psychic Vise and Telepathy/Mind

Reading in any order. Then he is finaly prepared to learn Mind Control

{focus 5, psychic vise, mind control})

Zen No Mind

*(sf 131, modified PBEM version)

The character waits, and then chooses between three pre-chosen maneuvers

Focus Maneuver

To Learn: {focus 3}

Power Points: tai chi chaun 2, kung fu, thai kickboxing, ninjitsu, aikido,

baraquah (called No Ego), jeet kune do, ju jitsu, silat 3, any 4

System: The Player chooses this Maneuver in combonation with another

Maneuver. That Maneuver will act last in the turn, unless it was a Block

Maneuver or any other Maneuver that is concidered a legal Abort (such as

Jump). The Maneuver gains +1 Speed if it was a Block Maneuver or a legal

Abort Maneuver. If the Maneuver is not a Block Maneuver or a legal Abort

Maneuver, the character's roll(s) are concidered to be at -1 Difficulty

(usualy Difficulty 5), but gain no Speed bonus. This applies to the first

roll only; if the Maneuver allows multiple strikes or other rolls of any

kind, they are made at normal Difficulty levels.

Cost: 1 Willpower

Other Modifiers: See above

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Scott Pittman

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:26 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?

  Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people into the Street Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for everyone on the list to have all the Street Fighter books.

  I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades of Grey booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to share around the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the books exist anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.

  Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter books would be an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least, of spare time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a small part of each chapter, it could be done in no time.

  If people on this list are going to have a problem with the legal ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would like to see the Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the books, some patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at a time, e-mail me at joespitt@... and I will begin passing out assignments to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the Street Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices together to form the Street Fighter .doc books.

  Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to this idea. Let me know what you guys think.

 

Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Scott Pittman

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:44 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Tournament Rules

Tournament Rules

by J. Scott Pittman (test version - tell me if any changes need to be made!)

A set of guidelines for playing tournaments using an e-mail club

Introduction

The following is a set of guidelines that explains how the Tournaments in the Street Fighter mailing list work. It has been created so that people who are new to the list can better understand what the Tournaments are and how they work.

What is a Street Fighter Tournament?

A Tournament is a contest between fighters, played through an e-mail list club. The idea is to set fighters agaist each other in sets of one-on-one bouts. The winner of those fights goes on to battle the winners of their matches, and so on, until one fighter makes it to the top. that fighter wins the tournament.

Who started the Tournaments?

Rinaldo, a member of the mailing list, actualy had the patience to start the first Tournament (as far as this author's knowledge goes). He has disappeared suddenly from the list, which leaves the mailing list open for new Tournaments.

How does it work?

Each player who enters a Tournament needs to create a character and submit that character and his Strategy (see below) to the Tournament Master (the person hosting the Tournament). The Tournament Master will decide what types of characters are legal, and if home-made Maneuvers are legal (sorry, but most of the time they are not due to wildly unbalanced Maneuvers being presented - hopefully, CHAMPS will help solve this problem and allow new Maneuver to enter the Tournament ring).

The Tournament Master compares the character's Strategies and makes dice rolls for the characters. He writes down the results (some Masters adding conversation and dramatic detail), and you get to see who wins. While some Masters may make the matches 2 out of three to detirmine the victor, most of the time they will chose a one-match victory for speed's sake (PBEM can be time-consuming with many people).

Strategy

Each character in a Tournament must have a Strategy - a list of moves he will make, in order, 20 Maneuvers long. Most Tournaments don't last 20 turns, but if the last turn is reached, Time Up is called and the character that scored the most damage to his opponent wins the bout.

Strategies can be as simple as "use a fierce punch each turn" or very complex. Some things to remember when designing your Strategy are:

1. What will your character do if your opponent is Dizzied? (If you do not include any description of this in your Strategy, it is assumed that you will NOT attack your opponent.)

2. Is there any time you will Abort to a Block Maneuver? If so, under what circumstances? When will your character Abort to Move or another Maneuver that can be used to dodge projectiles? After Aborting, where will your Strategy continue?

3. If the majority of your maneuver use Chi or Willpower, what will your character do if he runs out of Chi/Willpower?

4. If your character has a Combo attack, make sure to point out that your character is beginning a Combo in your Strategy.

Example Strategy:

Mr. Bad Boy's Strategy

1. Block

2. Fierce Punch

3. Block (starting Combo)

4. Dragon Punch

5. return to step 1

Dizzied

:

Attack using Roundhouse Kick

Aborts

:

If attacked by any Maneuver that can strike multiple times, Abort to Block, then return to step 1

If attacked by a projectile, Abort to Jump, then return to step 3

Chi / Willpower

If Willpower drops to 0, place Fierce Punch in place of Dragon Punch

Altered PBEM Maneuvers

The following Maneuvers have been altered by the Street Fighter Mailing List to make them playable in the Tournaments, without the use of Combat Cards:

Mind Reading

* (sf 129, modified for PBEM tournaments)

The fighter can read the thoughts of his opponent, possibly predicting moves

and reacting far easier to those actions.

Focus Maneuver

To Learn: First the character must learn Telepathy {focus 3}, then Mind

Reading {focus 4, telepathy}

Power Points: kabaddi, ler drit, aikido, baraquah, lua, silat 3, any 4

System: the Mind reading special maneuver is not played as a combat card.

Instead, the player announces his intent to use this maneuver between turns.

The character spends one Chi and chooses one opponent as the target of this

power. The two characters make a resisted Willpower roll.

If the mind-reading character wins the roll, the victim's action becomes

one difficulty number greater than it would normally be (Difficulty 7 in

most tournament cases). If the mind-reading character wins the resisted roll

by five successes (indicating Phenomenal Success), the victim's action is

increased by two (Difficulty 8 in most cases). In no case will the

difficulty be raised above +2. The victim must be within a number of hexes

equal to the mind reader's Wits + Focus.

If used outside of combat, the mind-reading character can gain information

this way, at the Storyteller's discresion (more successes equal more

information). the victim will not realize his mind is being read unless the

roll botches.

Modifiers: cost: 1 chi, speed; none, damage: none, move; none

Training Notes:

Some rare practitioners may continue on to learn Mind Control (This is an

incredible maneuver, and learning it can take years. First, the practitioner

must learn Psychic Vise {focus 4}, and Mind Reading {focus 4, telepathy

(telpathy requires focus 3)}. He may learn Psychic Vise and Telepathy/Mind

Reading in any order. Then he is finaly prepared to learn Mind Control

{focus 5, psychic vise, mind control})

Zen No Mind

*(sf 131, modified PBEM version)

The character waits, and then chooses between three pre-chosen maneuvers

Focus Maneuver

To Learn: {focus 3}

Power Points: tai chi chaun 2, kung fu, thai kickboxing, ninjitsu, aikido,

baraquah (called No Ego), jeet kune do, ju jitsu, silat 3, any 4

System: The Player chooses this Maneuver in combonation with another

Maneuver. That Maneuver will act last in the turn, unless it was a Block

Maneuver or any other Maneuver that is concidered a legal Abort (such as

Jump). The Maneuver gains +1 Speed if it was a Block Maneuver or a legal

Abort Maneuver. If the Maneuver is not a Block Maneuver or a legal Abort

Maneuver, the character's roll(s) are concidered to be at -1 Difficulty

(usualy Difficulty 5), but gain no Speed bonus. This applies to the first

roll only; if the Maneuver allows multiple strikes or other rolls of any

kind, they are made at normal Difficulty levels.

Cost: 1 Willpower

Other Modifiers: See above

> I assume you're assuming (heh) that the grappler has the speed
> advantage in
> both cases. if he is acting slower than his opponent in your first
> example,
> it won't work.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knight of the Black Rose [mailto:anton_figueroa@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:53 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] player strategies
>
>
>
> Well, I suppose one of the best strategies to getting someone in a
> grab
> is to move into their hex ahead of time with the preceding move.
> They
> can't then step out of the hex and hit you safely because you didn't
> need
> to use a move to initiate your grab.
> Also, a grappler should let the person who is going slower hit him
> first.
> Therefore, that opponent can't abort to a jump when you execute your
> grab.
> Any other good grappler strategies?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>

> I assume you're assuming (heh) that the grappler has the speed
> advantage in
> both cases. if he is acting slower than his opponent in your first
> example,
> it won't work.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Knight of the Black Rose [mailto:anton_figueroa@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 9:53 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] player strategies
>
>
>
> Well, I suppose one of the best strategies to getting someone in a
> grab
> is to move into their hex ahead of time with the preceding move.
> They
> can't then step out of the hex and hit you safely because you didn't
> need
> to use a move to initiate your grab.
> Also, a grappler should let the person who is going slower hit him
> first.
> Therefore, that opponent can't abort to a jump when you execute your
> grab.
> Any other good grappler strategies?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>

> Tournament Rules
>
> by J. Scott Pittman (test version - tell me if any changes need to be made!)
>
> A set of guidelines for playing tournaments using an e-mail club

> Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people into the Street
> Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for everyone on the
> list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades of Grey
> booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to share around
> the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the books exist
> anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter books would be
> an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least, of spare
> time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a small part
> of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> If people on this list are going to have a problem with the legal
> ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would like to see the
> Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the books, some
> patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at a time,
> e-mail me at joespitt@... and I will begin passing out assignments
> to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the Street
> Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices together to form
> the Street Fighter .doc books.
> Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to this idea.
> Let me know what you guys think.

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Hoffmann

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?

--- "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...> wrote:
>   Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people into the Street
> Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for everyone on the
> list to have all the Street Fighter books.
>   I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades of Grey
> booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to share around
> the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the books exist
> anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
>   Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter books would be
> an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least, of spare
> time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a small part
> of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
>   If people on this list are going to have a problem with the legal
> ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would like to see the
> Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the books, some
> patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at a time,
> e-mail me at joespitt@... and I will begin passing out assignments
> to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the Street
> Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices together to form
> the Street Fighter .doc books.
>   Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to this idea.
> Let me know what you guys think.

One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was that it
compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned them in and
put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the docs even huger...

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-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?

The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that don't have them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art, but not all of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original. it would make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.

 

Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Hoffmann

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?

--- "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...> wrote:
>   Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people into the Street
> Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for everyone on the
> list to have all the Street Fighter books.
>   I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades of Grey
> booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to share around
> the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the books exist
> anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
>   Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter books would be
> an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least, of spare
> time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a small part
> of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
>   If people on this list are going to have a problem with the legal
> ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would like to see the
> Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the books, some
> patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at a time,
> e-mail me at joespitt@... and I will begin passing out assignments
> to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the Street
> Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices together to form
> the Street Fighter .doc books.
>   Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to this idea.
> Let me know what you guys think.

One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was that it
compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned them in and
put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the docs even huger...

=====
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> guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter

> they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't forget

> they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of

> artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption is

> bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from their

> spicy legal attack dogs.
>
> *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
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>
> The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that

> them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,

> of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original. it

> make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
>
> --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people

> Street
> > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for

> > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades

> > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to

> around
> > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the

> > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> > information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter

> be
> > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least,

> > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a

> part
> > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the

> > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would

> the
> > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the

> > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at

> > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> assignments
> > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the

> > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices

> > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to

> > Let me know what you guys think.
>
> One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was

> compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned

> and
> put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the docs

> huger...
>
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> guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter

> they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't forget

> they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of

> artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption is

> bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from their

> spicy legal attack dogs.
>
> *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
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>
>
>
> The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that

> them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,

> of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original. it

> make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
>
> --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people

> Street
> > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for

> > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades

> > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to

> around
> > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the

> > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> > information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter

> be
> > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least,

> > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a

> part
> > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the

> > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would

> the
> > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the

> > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at

> > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> assignments
> > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the

> > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices

> > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to

> > Let me know what you guys think.
>
> One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was

> compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned

> and
> put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the docs

> huger...
>
> =====
> staredown@r... http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
>
> "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> --we merely expect them to try."
> -- Robert Heinlein
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Karstensen

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:26 PM

Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?

and I say don't waste your time.  You WILL get one.  It's only a matter of
time.

It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.

-----Original Message-----
From: DylanBoates@... [mailto:DylanBoates@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:07 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?



      I say who cares if they give us a cease and desist order. If they
do then we cease and decist. Untill then I'm in. I'm all for it cause
otherwise i can't get any other books.
      I'm willing to type up some of (or all) the first book and have a
scanner if we wan't the pics.
      Let's go for it!!!

--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@c...>
wrote:
> guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter
Community",
> they still have intellectual property to protect.  And don't forget
that
> they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of
original
> artwork.  Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption is
not a
> bright thing to do.  Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from their
hot n'
> spicy legal attack dogs.
> 
> *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
> 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
>  <http://click.egroups.com/1/8987/8/_/17512/_/968272528/>
>
> 
> <http://adimg.egroups.com/img/8987/8/_/17512/_/9
68272528/WarningOther468x602
> E.gif>
>  <http://www.egroups.com/> eGroups      My
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> <http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter> Page | Start a new
> <http://click.egroups.com/1/8150/8/_/17512/_/968272528/> group!      
>
>
>
>
> The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that
don't have
> them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,
but not all
> of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original. it
would
> make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
> 
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...> 
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
>
> --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> >   Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people
into the
> Street
> > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for
everyone on the
> > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> >   I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades
of Grey
> > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to
share
> around
> > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the
books exist
> > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the Vampire
> > information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> >   Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter
books would
> be
> > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least,
of spare
> > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out a
small
> part
> > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> >   If people on this list are going to have a problem with the
legal
> > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would
like to see
> the
> > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the
books, some
> > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages at
a time,
> > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> assignments
> > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the
Street
> > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices
together to form
> > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> >   Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to
this idea.
> > Let me know what you guys think.
>
> One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was
that it
> compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned
them in
> and
> put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the docs
even
> huger...
>
> =====
> staredown@r...  http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
>
> "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> --we merely expect them to try."
>      -- Robert Heinlein
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/>

> and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a
> matter of
> time.

> It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.

> sorry to say it, but unless you have the Speed advantage on the Grab
> itself,
> you still can't infallibly grab someone using this method..

>
> Round 1: I enter my opponent's Hex using a Move.
> Round 2: My Spinning Pile Driver goes off on 2. My opponent's Jab
> goes off
> on 7. I have to act first. I target him with my grab. He
> interrupts,
> steps out of my hex, and pops me on the nose. My Pile Driver
> resolves, my

> opponent is no longer in my hex, and thus is out of range. He farts
> in my
> general direction, taunting my lameness.

>
> sorry to say it, but unless you have the Speed advantage on the Grab
> itself,
> you still can't infallibly grab someone using this method..
>
> Round 1: I enter my opponent's Hex using a Move.
> Round 2: My Spinning Pile Driver goes off on 2. My opponent's Jab
> goes off
> on 7. I have to act first. I target him with my grab. He
> interrupts,
> steps out of my hex, and pops me on the nose. My Pile Driver
> resolves, my
> opponent is no longer in my hex, and thus is out of range.

>
> and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a

> time.
>
> It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
> I say who cares if they give us a cease and desist order. If they
> do then we cease and decist. Untill then I'm in. I'm all for it

> otherwise i can't get any other books.
> I'm willing to type up some of (or all) the first book and have a
> scanner if we wan't the pics.
> Let's go for it!!!
>
> --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen

> wrote:
> > guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter
> Community",
> > they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't

> that
> > they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of
> original
> > artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption is
> not a
> > bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from

> hot n'
> > spicy legal attack dogs.
> >
> > *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8987/8/_/17512/_/968272528/>
> >
> >
> > <http://adimg.egroups.com/img/8987/8/_/17512/_/9
> 68272528/WarningOther468x602
> > E.gif>
> > <http://www.egroups.com/> eGroups My
> > <http://www.egroups.com/mygroups> Groups | streetfighter Main
> > <http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter> Page | Start a new
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8150/8/_/17512/_/968272528/> group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that
> don't have
> > them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,
> but not all
> > of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original.

> would
> > make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> > <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people
> into the
> > Street
> > > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for
> everyone on the
> > > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades
> of Grey
> > > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to
> share
> > around
> > > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the
> books exist
> > > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the

> > > information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> > > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter
> books would
> > be
> > > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least,
> of spare
> > > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out

> small
> > part
> > > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the
> legal
> > > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would
> like to see
> > the
> > > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the
> books, some
> > > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages

> a time,
> > > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> > assignments
> > > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the
> Street
> > > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices
> together to form
> > > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to
> this idea.
> > > Let me know what you guys think.
> >
> > One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was
> that it
> > compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned
> them in
> > and
> > put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the

> even
> > huger...
> >
> > =====
> > staredown@r... http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> > <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
> >
> > "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> > --we merely expect them to try."
> > -- Robert Heinlein
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> > http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/>

> One quick question, how the hell do you actually land an air
>
> throw? Shure they are pretty fast for a throw but you have to
> interrupt an arial maneuver. Even if you are fast enough to interupt
>
> how do you know if the jump is coming?

>From: cliff rice <shinzite@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Basic Grab Maneuver
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I think animal hybrids do not make sence. they
>should not be able to get the extra dots in physical
>attributes. Take in point. Going on the fact that
>humans are more evolved than animals. a bat is neither
>stronger or more hardy than a human for argumanst sake
>lets say that a bat is more dexterous than a human. It
>seems to me that a bat hybrid woud be greater than a
>bat and less than a human. But i imagine a half bat
>half human would be more clumzy. so why would an
>animal hybrid get more stats they should get the
>detrament to social attributes due to their hideous
>apereance. The other tangable benefit of the
>background (Ie claw maneuvers and such) would be
>gained as per the normal rules. but the stats increase
>would not be unless you nwere an elephant hybrid or
>something in which case a point of strength or two
>would be in order.
>
>Cliff
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
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----- Original Message -----

From: DylanBoates@...

To: streetfighter@egroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM

Subject: [streetfighter] Air Throws. Usless?

      One quick question, how the hell do you actually land an air
throw? Shure they are pretty fast for a throw but you have to
interrupt an arial maneuver. Even if you are fast enough to interupt
how do you know if the jump is coming?
      Should you be able to abort to it? That's crazy it's a throw.
      But how else do you do it?
      Normaly I wouldn't care but some are just so cool (Vega's air
suplex).

On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 DylanBoates@... wrote:

>
> One quick question, how the hell do you actually land an air
> throw? Shure they are pretty fast for a throw but you have to
> interrupt an arial maneuver. Even if you are fast enough to interupt
> how do you know if the jump is coming?
> Should you be able to abort to it? That's crazy it's a throw.
> But how else do you do it?
> Normaly I wouldn't care but some are just so cool (Vega's air
> suplex).
>
>
>
>
>
>

---
Jens-Arthur Leirbakk
leirbakk@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Knight of the Black Rose" <anton_figueroa@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
>
> > and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a
> > matter of
> > time.
>
> It all sounds like a bad idea to me. But if those in question go thru
> with it anyway and are contacted by WW, it might be a good chance to ask
> them if they'd be willing to reprint it or continue it someday.
>

Unfortunately, it also devalues material currently in print or that is not
licenced.

Most of the rules in the main book are identical to those in the main books
for their WoD line, and the others are in the Combat suppliment.

Also, a few bits and pieces found their way into their Lotus line.
(including a slightly more balanced and playable Cyborg background in Demon
Hunter X, ref. Arsenal)

While I, for one, would be thrilled to see the Street Fighter game
resurected officially, given how many of WW's staff would love to as well
indicates to me that Capcom currently has little or no interest in it ever
seeing the light of day again.

>
> and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a

> time.
>
> It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
> I say who cares if they give us a cease and desist order. If they
> do then we cease and decist. Untill then I'm in. I'm all for it

> otherwise i can't get any other books.
> I'm willing to type up some of (or all) the first book and have a
> scanner if we wan't the pics.
> Let's go for it!!!
>
> --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen

> wrote:
> > guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter
> Community",
> > they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't

> that
> > they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of
> original
> > artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption is
> not a
> > bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from

> hot n'
> > spicy legal attack dogs.
> >
> > *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8987/8/_/17512/_/968272528/>
> >
> >
> > <http://adimg.egroups.com/img/8987/8/_/17512/_/9
> 68272528/WarningOther468x602
> > E.gif>
> > <http://www.egroups.com/> eGroups My
> > <http://www.egroups.com/mygroups> Groups | streetfighter Main
> > <http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter> Page | Start a new
> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8150/8/_/17512/_/968272528/> group!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The books with very little art would still beuseful to those that
> don't have
> > them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,
> but not all
> > of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original.

> would
> > make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> > <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people
> into the
> > Street
> > > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for
> everyone on the
> > > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the Shades
> of Grey
> > > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to
> share
> > around
> > > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the
> books exist
> > > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the

> > > information you want and they don't seem to worried about that.
> > > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter
> books would
> > be
> > > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at least,
> of spare
> > > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing out

> small
> > part
> > > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the
> legal
> > > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would
> like to see
> > the
> > > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the
> books, some
> > > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages

> a time,
> > > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> > assignments
> > > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of the
> Street
> > > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices
> together to form
> > > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones to
> this idea.
> > > Let me know what you guys think.
> >
> > One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was
> that it
> > compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you scanned
> them in
> > and
> > put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the

> even
> > huger...
> >
> > =====
> > staredown@r... http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> > <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
> >
> > "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> > --we merely expect them to try."
> > -- Robert Heinlein
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> > http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/>

>From: cliff rice <shinzite@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [streetfighter] Basic Grab Maneuver
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:31:58 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I think animal hybrids do not make sence. they
>should not be able to get the extra dots in physical
>attributes. Take in point. Going on the fact that
>humans are more evolved than animals. a bat is neither
>stronger or more hardy than a human for argumanst sake
>lets say that a bat is more dexterous than a human. It
>seems to me that a bat hybrid woud be greater than a
>bat and less than a human. But i imagine a half bat
>half human would be more clumzy. so why would an
>animal hybrid get more stats they should get the
>detrament to social attributes due to their hideous
>apereance. The other tangable benefit of the
>background (Ie claw maneuvers and such) would be
>gained as per the normal rules. but the stats increase
>would not be unless you nwere an elephant hybrid or
>something in which case a point of strength or two
>would be in order.
>
>Cliff
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
>http://invites.yahoo.com/

> don't forget the killer instinct ccg, one of the
> first

>
> Considering the song and dance you're trying to justify this

> the same one that most warez pirates use, and since I as a software

> have a hatred for software piracy, I would feel the same way even

> had one book. And for the longest time, I did. Secrets of

> difficult book to locate. I had to eventually get a copy at a

> convention's dealer's room. There are plenty of PC games I

> the time because I couldn't afford them, but I didn't resort to

> them.
>
> I think a better solution would be to see if White Wolf would

> line *without* the Street Fighter license. The genre is great and

> much untapped except by Feng Shui. Call it World of Action: Kung

> something.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:09 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
> The matter of getting a cease and desist order is irelevant.
> Unless one of us turns the rest in all the people on the list who
> want
> it will have down loaded it allready.
> However on the matter of respect for the games creators I must
> agree, they worked hard and deserve to have people buy their game.
> But
> seing as the odds of me actually getting the chance to buy new

> are astronomical I think that it calls for desperate mesures.

> even if I had the .doc file I would still buy the book if the
> oppurtunity persented it's self.
> You would probably think differently if you only owened one book.
>
>
> --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen

> wrote:
> >
> > and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a
> matter of
> > time.
> >
> > It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:07 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> > I say who cares if they give us a cease and desist order. If

> > do then we cease and decist. Untill then I'm in. I'm all for it
> cause
> > otherwise i can't get any other books.
> > I'm willing to type up some of (or all) the first book and have

> > scanner if we wan't the pics.
> > Let's go for it!!!
> >
> > --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen
> <skarstensen@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter
> > Community",
> > > they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't
> forget
> > that
> > > they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of
> > original
> > > artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption

> > not a
> > > bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from
> their
> > hot n'
> > > spicy legal attack dogs.
> > >
> > > *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8987/8/_/17512/_/968272528/>
> > >
> > >
> > > <http://adimg.egroups.com/img/8987/8/_/17512/_/9
> > 68272528/WarningOther468x602
> > > E.gif>
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/> eGroups My
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/mygroups> Groups | streetfighter Main
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter> Page | Start a new
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8150/8/_/17512/_/968272528/> group!

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The books with very little art would still beuseful to those

> > don't have
> > > them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,
> > but not all
> > > of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original.
> it
> > would
> > > make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:street

> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> > > <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > > > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people
> > into the
> > > Street
> > > > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for
> > everyone on the
> > > > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > > > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the

> > of Grey
> > > > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to
> > share
> > > around
> > > > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the
> > books exist
> > > > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the
> Vampire
> > > > information you want and they don't seem to worried about

> > > > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter
> > books would
> > > be
> > > > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at

> > of spare
> > > > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing

> a
> > small
> > > part
> > > > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > > > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the
> > legal
> > > > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would
> > like to see
> > > the
> > > > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the
> > books, some
> > > > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages
> at
> > a time,
> > > > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> > > assignments
> > > > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of

> > Street
> > > > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices
> > together to form
> > > > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > > > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones

> > this idea.
> > > > Let me know what you guys think.
> > >
> > > One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was
> > that it
> > > compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you

> > them in
> > > and
> > > put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the
> docs
> > even
> > > huger...
> > >
> > > =====
> > > staredown@r... http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> > > <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
> > >
> > > "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> > > --we merely expect them to try."
> > > -- Robert Heinlein
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/>

>
> Considering the song and dance you're trying to justify this

> the same one that most warez pirates use, and since I as a software

> have a hatred for software piracy, I would feel the same way even

> had one book. And for the longest time, I did. Secrets of

> difficult book to locate. I had to eventually get a copy at a

> convention's dealer's room. There are plenty of PC games I

> the time because I couldn't afford them, but I didn't resort to

> them.
>
> I think a better solution would be to see if White Wolf would

> line *without* the Street Fighter license. The genre is great and

> much untapped except by Feng Shui. Call it World of Action: Kung

> something.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:09 PM
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
>
>
>
> The matter of getting a cease and desist order is irelevant.
> Unless one of us turns the rest in all the people on the list who
> want
> it will have down loaded it allready.
> However on the matter of respect for the games creators I must
> agree, they worked hard and deserve to have people buy their game.
> But
> seing as the odds of me actually getting the chance to buy new

> are astronomical I think that it calls for desperate mesures.

> even if I had the .doc file I would still buy the book if the
> oppurtunity persented it's self.
> You would probably think differently if you only owened one book.
>
>
> --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen

> wrote:
> >
> > and I say don't waste your time. You WILL get one. It's only a
> matter of
> > time.
> >
> > It's also a matter of respect for the game's creators.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DylanBoates@a... [mailto:DylanBoates@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 5:07 PM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?
> >
> >
> >
> > I say who cares if they give us a cease and desist order. If

> > do then we cease and decist. Untill then I'm in. I'm all for it
> cause
> > otherwise i can't get any other books.
> > I'm willing to type up some of (or all) the first book and have

> > scanner if we wan't the pics.
> > Let's go for it!!!
> >
> > --- In streetfighter@egroups.com, Steve Karstensen
> <skarstensen@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > guys, while White Wolf may not be active in the "Street Fighter
> > Community",
> > > they still have intellectual property to protect. And don't
> forget
> > that
> > > they licensed Street Fighter from Capcom, including a lot of
> > original
> > > artwork. Reprinting the books verbatim for online consumption

> > not a
> > > bright thing to do. Fastest way to get a Cease & Desist from
> their
> > hot n'
> > > spicy legal attack dogs.
> > >
> > > *scribbles note to self to include this question in the FAQ*
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@t...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:26 PM
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8987/8/_/17512/_/968272528/>
> > >
> > >
> > > <http://adimg.egroups.com/img/8987/8/_/17512/_/9
> > 68272528/WarningOther468x602
> > > E.gif>
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/> eGroups My
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/mygroups> Groups | streetfighter Main
> > > <http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter> Page | Start a new
> > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/8150/8/_/17512/_/968272528/> group!

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The books with very little art would still beuseful to those

> > don't have
> > > them. I did plan to scan and include certain picks from the art,
> > but not all
> > > of it, to give the online books the same flavor as the original.
> it
> > would
> > > make for a much larger download, but one well worth it.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris Hoffmann <mailto:staredown@r...>
> > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:street

> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 11:43 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Online Street Fighter Books?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "J. Scott Pittman" < joespitt@t...
> > > <mailto:joespitt@t...> > wrote:
> > > > Here's an idea I've been tossing around, to get more people
> > into the
> > > Street
> > > > Fighter game and just because I think it would be cool for
> > everyone on the
> > > > list to have all the Street Fighter books.
> > > > I would like to see all five of the rule books and the

> > of Grey
> > > > booklet from the Street Fighter screen put into .doc files, to
> > share
> > > around
> > > > the net. After all, White Wolf doesn't even recognize that the
> > books exist
> > > > anymore, and there are tons of pages that give out all the
> Vampire
> > > > information you want and they don't seem to worried about

> > > > Now, writing out by hand all the pages in the Street Fighter
> > books would
> > > be
> > > > an enormous job for one person. It would take a year, at

> > of spare
> > > > time. However, if say, 20 people worked on it, each writing

> a
> > small
> > > part
> > > > of each chapter, it could be done in no time.
> > > > If people on this list are going to have a problem with the
> > legal
> > > > ramifications, I understand completely. However, if you would
> > like to see
> > > the
> > > > Street Fighter books in .doc file, and have one or more of the
> > books, some
> > > > patience, and the ability to type word-for-word a few passages
> at
> > a time,
> > > > e-mail me at joespitt@t... and I will begin passing out
> > > assignments
> > > > to each person. As each person sends in their small part of

> > Street
> > > > Fighter book we are working on, I will place those peices
> > together to form
> > > > the Street Fighter .doc books.
> > > > Anyway, before i get started I will listen to the respones

> > this idea.
> > > > Let me know what you guys think.
> > >
> > > One of the major plusses of the book (the main book anyway) was
> > that it
> > > compiled a lot of Capcom's SF art in one place, unless you

> > them in
> > > and
> > > put them in the doc as well, 'course that would kinda make the
> docs
> > even
> > > huger...
> > >
> > > =====
> > > staredown@r... http://members.xoom.com/staredown
> > > <http://members.xoom.com/staredown>
> > >
> > > "We don't expect kittens to fight wildcats and win
> > > --we merely expect them to try."
> > > -- Robert Heinlein
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere!
> > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ <http://mail.yahoo.com/>

>[Tiger]
>FYI the folks at WW have been severely understaffed since Phil Brucato et
>al. "moved on" so to speak... ;-)
>
>Anyways, I'd be patient. I imagine that they'd like to answer but just
>don't
>have the manpower to do so.

>(Robert Pascuttini)
>I need a review and opinion's anyone interested?
>
>[Tiger]
>Why, I'd be pleased to peruse your project for the purpose of production.
>Criticizing the constructs of capable craftsmen is clearly a critical
>component of creation. =)
>
>Do you have it in .pdf or .rtf format?

>From: DylanBoates@...
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Lightfeet and Cheese
>Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 12:46:14 -0000
>
>--- In streetfighter@egroups.com, "Robert Pascuttini" <
>rpascuttini@h...> wrote:
> > Umm This next thing is to kinda quell the fire on that last
>message. Plus I
> > need the opinion if every one here.
> > I have a new supplament Ive been working on for the last year or so
>that Ive
> > been hoping to present to this group. I promised it once but never
>got
> > around to finishing it. and a rough version was put up. So far Ive
>only give
> > a copy to steve and .... "ahh someone else I cant remember"
> > I need a review and opinion's anyone interested?
>
> Hey I'm interested! And by the way my name isn't mousse, mousse is
>and anime character who I think is cool. My real name is Dylan. But
>I'm shure you all really care :-)
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:22 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Re: Online Street Fighter Books?

Actualy, although similar, I don't think that the main rule books of most WOD books are the same. The same basic system is there, true, but just because you own Street Fighter doesnt mean you'll understand squat when someone is talking about the mechanics of Vampire or Werewolf. If anything, a person who has never played a WOD game that sees a Street Fighter book might be inclined to buy other products from White Wolf.

 

Anyway, I won't go through with the project if White Wolf declines, although I sure would hate not to.

 

Are there people at WW that would like to see Street Fighter still in the works?

 

Also, I will say that Thrash is a good game, but if WW really wanted to they could sue the heck out of the "creator". His ideas obviously came from Street Fighter - he even admits it. While very diffrent in some areas, all it takes is a small passage to be sued.

 

J. Scott Pittman

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Hey Steve
>Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:27:47 -0400
>
>that's what I was referring to.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:32 AM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Hey Steve
>
>
> >
> >Hey steve.
> >Ive been thinking about what you said earlier for spending a willpoint
> >during combat to increase damage. But my players found and made a very
>good
> >point and I researched it more. It doesnt say that you cant spend a
> >willpoint for extra damage. It says that you cant spend a point in this
> >manner to get an Automatic Success. Then refers you to combat section for
> >explanation.
> >But when you get to the combat section it has no mention of this
>anywhere,
> >Until you read the Combat example where the character spends a willpower
> >point to "roll" 1 extra dice for damage. He doesnt get 1 auto matic
>success,
> >he rolls 1 extra die to see if he succeeds. But he only can do this when
>he
> >rolls all his dice at the same time, not after to prevent a fumble.
> >
> > Robert
> >_________________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >
>

>From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] RE:Karan s�z
>Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:34:52 -0400
>
>not really. from what I understand, Sifus "adopt" moves from other styles
>into their own. Thus, instead of simply teaching "Snake Kung Fu" that
>teacher may teach "Wong Kung Fu", which is mostly Snake but with a few
>movies he borrowed from Tiger. (cf. "Snake and Crane Kung Fu", that rather
>good old Jackie Chan film from a few years back).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] RE:Karan s�z
>
>
> >
> >Well, currently all my research has found mentions of Snake in various
>other
> >styles such as Shaolin and Hung Gar but no single teaching of snake
>style.
> >Most chinses styles get really mixed. Thats why I think it seems like
> >chinese martial artists seem to show more than 1 style of Kung Fu when
>they
> >fight. I really Is messy and alot of work if your goal has no focus or
> >principals and you simply jump from style to style.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Karan" <karan.empyre@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] RE:Karan s�z
> >>Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 12:41:50 +0200
> >>
> >>Either way, I think it's stupid to make sweeping generalizations of any
> >>kind.
> >> That's what I meant! I wrote too fast...
> >>
> >>
> >>Yah thats like my research on other styles. While looking For dragon
>style
> >>I
> >>found 2 to 4 diffrent types. An extinct style called crab. No info on
> >>Snake.
> >>8 diffrent style of Crane. Dozens of offshoots of Tiger.
> >>Its getting to be a real pain.
> >> This is normal. There are no "schools" of Kung Fu, (oh, excuse me, of
> >>course, there are, in Occident...). There are only old styles, remixed
>by
> >>new teachers along time, generating different ways of thinking the same
> >>style. Acrobatic, technic, strength-related-, fast, stealthy,
>precise......
> >>You found no Snake?? That's astonishing!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________________
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>From: "Soldar" <soldar@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] joespitt-> was Honour Loss, et al
>Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:26:22 -0400
>
>Now, in regards to Mr. Pittman's placing his links in e-mail?
>As someone already pointed out: if you don't like it, don't use the link.

>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honour Loss and Weapons Use and Killing
>Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:15:20 -0700
>
>Sorry guys, I really did not mean to push my page. I guess I'm into the
>game
>mail list and it's members a little too much, kinda considering them my own
>players (friends?). I love RPG, but live in a very small town and all of my
>old players have moved on. We get together and have a game about once every
>six months, sometimes less.
> So my only alternative is the mailing lists, where I can talk to other
>people about gaming, work on my web-site, things like that. It's a daily
>thing for me, and I'm a member of a lot of other lists, although I must say
>that this one is my all time favorite because of the coolest game ever in
>print and the even cooler people here.
> I just (stupidly) assumed that everyone was just as anxious to look at
>my
>page as i have been to look at theirs, and i also like to be reminded by
>people during e-mails when their pages have something to do with the
>current
>topic. I forget that not everyone thinks as I do.
> Since there have been a few comments about the amount of "ads" I place
>in
>e-mails, I will only be announcing whenever I come up with a new download
>or
>something similar on my page, or when people specificly ask for web-page
>posts.
>
>Scott
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Pascuttini <rpascuttini@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honour Loss and Weapons Use and Killing
>
>
> >
> > Sorry dustin I do have to agree with Brian. I agree with you that its
>good
> > for him to try to get more traffic into his website. and Ive been to the
> > website, he's put alot of work into it from what I remember.
> > But he is insisting upon it a little to often.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Dustin Wolfe" <lancer1@...>
> > >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [streetfighter] Honour Loss and Weapons Use and Killing
> > >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:58:08 -0500
> > >
> > >Ummm....why does that bother you so much? I mean really...it's just a
>link.
> > >He's not forcing you to go there. He wants to get traffic into his
>site,
>so
> > >what? Really, I'm being serious, why does it bother you so much? You
>can
> > >just ignore it if you want to.
> > >
> > >
> > > > OK, I am forced to say something here. I know I haven't been on here
>for
> > >as
> > > > long as some of the other people, but I feel the need to say
>something
> > > > here. I am quite frankly tired of you posting links to your website
> > >every
> > > > chance you get any time anything comes up in a discussion. I am sure
> > > > everyone on this list knows you have a web site, and we all know you
> > >have
> > > > 80 million street fighter related things on it. Other people on here
> > >have
> > > > web sites too, but they don't post links to them every chance they
>get.
> > >.
> > >.
> > > > . . . .
> > > >
> > > > >Shameless plug here: You'll find those types of Maneuvers and many
>more
> > >in
> > > > >the downloadable Encyclopedia Combatica. It also includes every
>move
> > >from
> > > > >the Street Fighter Books.
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.tsixroads.com/~joespitt/dogsofwar.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >J. Scott Pittman
> > > > >www.dragonslayergames.com
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: Rogue Tiger <roguetiger@...>
> > > > >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 2:29 AM
> > > > >Subject: [streetfighter] Honour Loss and Weapons Use and Killing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> First of all, thanks to those who answered my book questions: I
> > >really
> > > > >> appreciate it. Soon I'll have ALL the books... MwaHAHAHA!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *ahem*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Back to the question of Honour loss in SF:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> First of all one has to think about what the Way of the Warrior
>is
>in
> > >SF.
> > > > >Is
> > > > >> the loss of Honour situational, or is it applied rigidly
>irregardless
> > >of
> > > > >the
> > > > >> events surrounding it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Considering that if the character was a samurai thawed out after
>400
> > >years
> > > > >> of cryogenisis and was placed in the same situation, Bushido
>would
> > >demand
> > > > >> that he hunt down and kill the mudsucking foreign dog. How would
>a
> > >Special
> > > > >> Forces character be any different?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Does it matter if the character uses a firearm or not? What if he
> > >uses
> > > > >> explosives? Or sabotages his car? Would those actions be equally
> > > > >> dishonourable, even though they aren't "in the rules"? What if
>the
> > > > >character
> > > > >> is disguised as someone else and uses the firearm or some other
> > >weapon
> > >and
> > > > >> "loses honour"? Does HE lose it or does the character he
>impersonated
> > >lose
> > > > >> it? What if no-one see him kill the badguy? How could his actions
>be
> > > > >> percieved as dishonourable if no one ever knows about it? What if
>is
> > > > >> Performance/Acting skill is high enough to fool everyone?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'd say that the Honour rules as they stand have more to do with
>what
> > >goes
> > > > >> on inside the ring than what goes on outside. In addition, they
>are
> > >really
> > > > >> poorly implimented as far as rules go, and I personally would
>only
> > >use
> > > > >them
> > > > >> regarding what the character does inside the ring, which is much
>more
> > > > >> important for those kind of mechanics.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Personally I hate games that emphasize "point penalties/bonuses"
>for
> > > > >certain
> > > > >> types of behaviour. Unless you're a nine year old kid, most
>gamers
> > >are
> > > > >> experienced enough to drop that kind of garbage and focus more on
>the
> > > > >> character's reputation as it's gamed rather than some stats on a
> > >character
> > > > >> sheet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As for weapons, there is no reason why there can't be variants of
>the
> > > > >> unarmed maneuvers for weapon use. It isn't really that hard to
>whip
> > >them
> > > > >up,
> > > > >> and certainly the Storyteller can up the PP cost if the power
>seems
> > >too
> > > > >> tough when used with a weapon.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Heck, here's a REAL Honour question: Bob "The OTHER Hammer"
>Slammer
> > >picks
> > > > >a
> > > > >> fight with Mark "Pointy Things" Phillips. Bob says he can beat
>Mark
> > >in
> > >a
> > > > >> fight, and wants Mark to use his rapier and main gauche. So, does
> > >Mark
> > > > >lose
> > > > >> Honour for using weapons in a fight, even though Bob SPECIFICALLY
> > >wants
> > > > >Mark
> > > > >> to use them?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> See how situational Honour is?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, if the Shadaloo agent did something to piss off a Special
>Forces
> > > > >agent,
> > > > >> then he should expect the agent to show up with guns. Remember
>that
> > >the
> > > > >> character concept is a SOLDIER, and the player MUST stay as true
>to
> > >his
> > > > >> concept as he can. Soldiers use firearms and kill for a living,
>so
>as
> > >long
> > > > >> as the player sticks to the Uniform Code of Conduct required of
> > >soldiers,
> > > > >I
> > > > >> don't see why blowing the Shadaloo scumbag away would bring an
>Honour
> > >loss
> > > > >> unless the Shadaloo agent surrendered and the Special Forces
> > >character
> > > > >> simply executed him rather than turn him over to the authorities.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> By that token there's no problem "sniping" the Shadaloo agent as
>that
> > >is
> > > > >> perfectly legit. Now I COULD see the character having a crisis of
> > > > >> conscience, but then again I could see him thinking that it's
>just
> > >another
> > > > >> job well done to help protect the country and citizens that he
> > >serves.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Were Chun Li to go "Dirty Harry" on Shadaloo's ass, I might
>imagine
> > >that
> > > > >> Honour "could" be lost, but what if it frees a bunch of kidnapped
> > > > >children?
> > > > >> So what if "innocent lives" were put at risk: there's no
>difference
> > > > >between
> > > > >> using a firearm and using a Fireball. It's simply an issue of
>"guns
> > >are
> > > > >bad"
> > > > >> and "weapons are mostly bad" to help show why Shadaloo agents and
> > >other
> > > > >> characters prefer to use martial arts over weapons.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> For those who play Cops and use their firearms, there's ALWAYS an
> > >inquiry,
> > > > >> and the officer MUST account for EVERY SINGLE ROUND fired. If
>there
> > >are
> > > > >ANY
> > > > >> discrepancies the officer is suspended and forensics goes over
>the
> > >scene
> > > > >and
> > > > >> attempts to figure out what REALLY went down. In either case the
> > >character
> > > > >> is "vacationed" for five days before being allowed to return to
>work,
> > >and
> > > > >> must undergo weekly therapy (the reports end up on the captain's
>and
> > > > >> Internal Affairs' desks). Using a firearm when you are a Cop is a
> > >REALLY
> > > > >BIG
> > > > >> DEAL.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, if the Cop Streetfighter uses a firearm during the course of
>his
> > >job,
> > > > >> does he loose Honour if it was determined that he was justified?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What if the character is a Trapper or Survivalist? Does he lose
> > >honour
> > >for
> > > > >> using his weapon during the course of his work? What if the
>character
> > >is
> > > > >> trapped in the Amazon and have to use firearms to survive? Do
>they
> > >loose
> > > > >> Honour for that? What about using their Streetfighter techniques
>on
> > > > >> non-Streetfighters?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I personally would use the Honour and Glory system STRICTLY for
> > > > >Tournaments,
> > > > >> and leave the other stuff to roleplaying. Otherwise the Honour
>rules
> > >would
> > > > >> have a huge list of exceptions and an expanded list of what's
> > > > >dishonourable
> > > > >> and what's not.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That would not be good... ;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -Tiger
> > > > >>
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