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Group: streetfighter Message: 3355 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages
Group: streetfighter Message: 3356 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3357 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3358 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3359 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3360 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3361 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3362 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3363 From: J.J. Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3364 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3365 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3366 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3367 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3368 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3369 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3370 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3371 From: Charles Little Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3372 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speedvs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3373 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3374 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3375 From: AJSolis@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3376 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3377 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speedvs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3378 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3379 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3380 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3381 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
Group: streetfighter Message: 3382 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3383 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3384 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: silly shiznit
Group: streetfighter Message: 3385 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3386 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: silly shiznit
Group: streetfighter Message: 3387 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3388 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Friendly "Fight" Four: Gokiwa vs Wing Sho
Group: streetfighter Message: 3389 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: "Friendly" Fight Five: Gokiwa vs Genryu-Kai
Group: streetfighter Message: 3390 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament: Gokiwa vs Genryu
Group: streetfighter Message: 3391 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Group: streetfighter Message: 3392 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Elementalists.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3393 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-
Group: streetfighter Message: 3394 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Rank system
Group: streetfighter Message: 3395 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Elementalists.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3396 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
Group: streetfighter Message: 3397 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: silly shiznit
Group: streetfighter Message: 3398 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: World Warriors & Stuff
Group: streetfighter Message: 3399 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Group: streetfighter Message: 3400 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Elementalists.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3401 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-
Group: streetfighter Message: 3402 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: silly shiznit
Group: streetfighter Message: 3403 From: ArkonDLoC@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: silly shiznit
Group: streetfighter Message: 3404 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)



Group: streetfighter Message: 3355 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Bonus Stages
Yeah, if memory serves, AoF1 had several bonus stages.. Did't your
characters actually get more powerful if you 'beat' the bonus stages.
I seem to recall them being some sort of training thing. I would swear
there was one where you were supposed to knock a big old tree down in
one hit... A-way, Next time my friends get together to play the Neo,
I'll ask if anyone remembers any of them better than I do... or see if
any of us have any of the old carts...

Anyway.
-Laters!
-Chris!


--- Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...> wrote:
> --- Chris Nelson <ptc075@...> wrote:
> > Bonus Stages in KOF? ??? Are you sure? I certainly don't remember
> > there being any... As for Fatal Fury, I never played much of that
> > series until the new ones, which sadly don't have any bonus stages
> > either...
> >
> > -Laters!
> > -Chris!
>
> Actually, I only played KOF once, and I only got to the 3rd round, so
> I
> didn't know if they bonus rounds or not.
>
> I remember the Art of Fighting round where you had to break beer
> bottles,
> and the Fatal Fury round where you had to destroy pillars (withing a
> certain time limit? can't remenber) these are the ones I'm wondering
> about.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3356 From: Chris Nelson Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: World Warriors & Stuff
Wow, alota talk about this topic. cool. A-way, time for another round
of my opinions: (Ain't the net great :)

Advancing the World Warriors: Yeah, we usually give them about 1/2 of
the XP we earn. This way, they advance, & by the time you're ready to
fight them, they've got a few new tricks up their sleves you weren't
ready for. Plus, what's the chalenge in beating a stagnant character.
Cool NPCs & certian Team rivals usally get about 75% of our XP, & so
on... Keeps the game interesting & all that. "Ryu did a what????!"

Rank & Power levels... Okay, back to the whole Akuma example. I find
it hard to believe Akuma would ever enter a low-ranking tournament,
just so he could gain enough rank to challenge the world warriors... I
mean, let's face it, he's going to fight you, whether you accept the
challenge or not. Now, if there's a few spectators who follow the
circuit who see the fight, suddenly he's a ranked fighter, right?

There's a big disparity between what a character SHOULD be ranked, &
his actual power level. Suppose for a second that a rift opened up
between the SF world & the Mortal Kombat world, & all of the MK
characters suddenly ended up here as well. They'd all be classified as
rank 1 fighters, but they sure as hell dont' belong in a rank one
tournament, & any World Warrior would have a hard time not looking like
a coward if he refused to fight one, because they don't have a high
enough rank.

Oh, 'nother question for the group... this one's pretty long cuz it's
got too much background. My 1st charcter wasn't a Street Fighter, he
was a ring doctor who hooked up w/ the PCs, & ended up becoming the
team manager. Make a long story short, he hung around the team so
much, they eventually taught him how to fight. In fact, he eventually
maxed out his techniques (solid 5's), although he still wasn't much of
a fighter compared to the rest of the team, they were all rank 7-9 by
then....

Anyway, In one of the 1st PC vs. World Warrior Fights, the fight went
VERY badly for the PC, & he ended up getting killed (accidently?) by
Vega at the end of the 3rd fight. Naturally, my character swore
vengance, & challenged Vega on the spot. Vega refused, because, I was
an unranked nobody, although I was probably about as powerful as a rank
5 or 6 fighter. So, how was I supposed to go about acquiring rank???
No rank 5 or 6 fighter would accept my challenge, b/c I was a no-body,
& It was totally unfair for me to fight at the rank 1 level. Now, keep
in mind, this character was the ultamate goody-goody for most of his
life, so beating rank 1's senseless went against every bone in his
body, but that was the only path the GM seemed willing to send me
down... Anyway, the final result was the character took a huge honor
loss (self-inflicted, the GM didn't see what I was whining about) &
Sammy ended up just rolling over a whole buncha NPCs in a tournament...


There has to be a better way to handle this, particually for characters
who refuse to fight low-level NPCs. Imagine the monk who has been
training in a secluded temple for 20 years, & then comes out into the
world & wants to prove himself, only to be told he has to go & beat 60
nobodies before he can to challenge anyone of his skill level. (Hmmm..
sounds alot like real-world boxing, no?) I think I heard someone
sugest that a high ranking SF be called in & simply assign the
character a rank, but then that blows the record system away... How
many fights would he need to reach the next rank? I guess you could
simply assign the character a bunch of free wins, but if you do that,
every PC is going to want to walk that route... after all, there's no
chance of getting that accidental loss early in your carrer, & having
to struggle later on to get that good win/loss ratio for the higher
ranks...

BTW, for you SF historians... I always heard that the tournament where
Ryu beat Sagat (SF1) was actually Ryu's first tournament fight ever. Up
until then, he had been up on the mountain training w/ Ken & Gouken.
Which only made Sagat's loss that much more bitter, seeing as he lost
to a complete nobody. Well, I guess by the end of the tournament, Ryu
woulda had 10 fights, that makes him Rank 3, right? Not sure if it's
true or not, I have way too much trouble keeping up w/ the 'official'
storyline.

Okay, this letter is way too long, but I'm still only 1/2 way done
waiting for UNIX to install itself...

Can anyone tell me what the bonus stages in SF3-2nd impact & 3rd Strike
are... I pretty damn well suck at both of them & they're hard to find
for me... I know in 2nd impact the 1st bonus stage is Sean throwing
beach balls at you & you have to parry them, & I know in 3rd Strike the
1st bonus stage is destroying the SUV, but are there any beyond that...
Like I say, I really blow at SF3.... hehe

I seem to recall someone mentioning the requirements for World Warrior
status are rank 9/10 OR beating a World Warrior. So, what happens when
the rank 7 (we'll say 7, it's way more realistic than the rank 4
example from earlier) beats a World Warrior. How does he lose the
title... or does he? Someone else pointed out that it's a permanent
title... much like being a noble or what not. I like it, but that
caused alot of problems in our 1st game.... I dunno, I guess it's all
pretty much just talk, unless your characters actually get to the level
where they'll be fighting world warriors... I have to admint, it's only
really happend in our one campaign.... But you could easily start a
game at that level, & suddenly it becomes a real problem. We always
used to talk about taking the entire team to Russia, so we could all
beat Zangief to get our WW status... hehe. 'Okay, Zangief, you've
already made Mark & Dave world warriors... go rest up & tomorrow you
can lose to me twice in a row.... =)'

Well, 94% done, time to go...
-Laters all!
-Chris!


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Group: streetfighter Message: 3357 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
I´m make the stunning shout but in willpower (Kozminski) vs willpower (Blaise),
Blaise wins and not stunned and pin manuver are too slow to get Blaise and he
hits his combo, yup he don´t dizzy but I wrong in that part, this a good reason
to make this friendly fights for good persons tell me where I wrong and correct
the mistakes, when I start the tournament I don´t make more errors and all
persons of the game will be happy.

"Morgado, Mike" wrote:

> Thats understandable, but just because he is starting a combo, if he didnt
> do enough damage to dizzy the other fighter, the slow guy will still get his
> move out. Weather his opponent is in a combo or not.
>
> MikeM
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rinaldo Gambetta [SMTP:rinaldo@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:37 AM
> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
> >
> > No I wrong but sent it (the fight) fast and no time to correct the double
> > stun,
> > yes I can´t stun a fighter two times( one turn and in the next turn). In
> > the
> > move 2 Kozminski not stun but Blaise combo are more faster than Kozminski
> > manuver for that reason he continue the combo. You´re right he is in a
> > susteinted hold and he stunned because that he can´t do anything, but
> > after he
> > hit the grab the damage stun Blaise again( I know now this impossible) but
> > for
> > my luck the susteinted hold don´t give any damage and in next turn Blaise
> > recovers and break the susteinted hold from Kozminski, and the result of
> > fight
> > are honest and good.
> > I commit some mistakes, and I hope correct all them before I start the
> > tournament, and with luck bring more players.
> > Regards Rinaldo Gambetta.
> > "Morgado, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > > << Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him
> > before
> > > with a
> > > > short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
> > > > combo.>>
> > >
> > > Ok, Im lost here. He only did 1 point of damage, so not enough
> > to
> > > dizzy Kozminski. So he should still get the stunning shout out.
> > >
> > > <<Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a
> > wrongl
> > > try of
> > > > pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
> > > > Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
> > > > Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
> > > > Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
> > > > hit and Blaise stuns!!!
> > > > Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive:
> > 4
> > > > points of damage and still stun!!!>>
> > > >
> > > I thought you couldnt be dizzied for two rounds in a row. Or
> > are
> > > you referring to the fact that hes in a sustained hold and cant do
> > anything?
> > >
> > > <<Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no
> > damage.
> > > > Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
> > > > free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.>>
> > > >
> > > He shouldnt have been stunned that long. Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > <<Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from
> > > Blaise hit
> > > > him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
> > > > Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points
> > of
> > > > damage and he knock out.>>
> > > >
> > > MikeM
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3358 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
actually, most of the World Warriors would be like, "Who the hell are
you?" if the Outworld fighters challenged them. They would most likely
turn the Outworlders' challenges down unless said Outworlder somehow
proved to them that they'd be worth taking seriously. It's all about
perception.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:35 PM
To: streetfighter@egroups.com
Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors & Stuff


There's a big disparity between what a character SHOULD be ranked, &
his actual power level. Suppose for a second that a rift opened up
between the SF world & the Mortal Kombat world, & all of the MK
characters suddenly ended up here as well. They'd all be classified as
rank 1 fighters, but they sure as hell dont' belong in a rank one
tournament, & any World Warrior would have a hard time not looking like
a coward if he refused to fight one, because they don't have a high
enough rank.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3359 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
Kane
Style: Professional Wrestling

Stats-Str 5 Dex 3 Sta 5
Per 1 Int 2 Wits 1(he's always being used and tricked by other
wrestlers)
Cha 2(I like him) Man 1(see wits) App 1(if even-burn victim ya know)
Techniques
Punch 3
Kick 3
Block 2
Grab 4
Athletics 3

Special Moves
Jump
Haymaker
Pile Driver
Neck Choke
Sleeper
Grappling Defense
Suplex
Back Breaker
Pin & Improved Pin
Brain Cracker
Air Smash
***All of the above I have seen him do or are the closest translations of
his actual moves, those below are optional moves that I didn't give him yet
but if he faces the characters a second time I might***
Optional:
Spinning Pile Driver
Toughskin
Choke Throw
Disengage
Spontaneous Combustion (a stretch, and would be weak with his stats, but it'd
be fun to have him do it)

Have fun!
Group: streetfighter Message: 3360 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
I found the easiest thing was to dump the rankings entirely. I just have
NPC's go by the character's glory. Either they've heard of them or not.
Like, last game the PC's went to Vegas to be in a match Balrog was hosting,
the characters all had 2 or 3 honor and 0 or 1 glory(starting characters), so
they had to "audition"-Balrog came out and asked" who wants to fight tonight"
and whoever said yes got decked. He kept going & whoever could take his
strongest punch was in-one of the PC's lucked out and only took 2 damage(out
of 11 dice!) Since it didn't even dizzy him, Balrog said "okay you're in"
The others had to fight a team match against no bodies in order to qualify,
if they had lost the team match they wouldn't have been fighting in the real
tournament. I say go with plot and forget the rankings. If a guy's glory is
high enough, others will recognize hiom and want to fight him, andif a guy
with honor 10 wants to fight Ryu he'd probably consider it regardless of rank.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3361 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
In a message dated 11/11/99 12:06:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
inrifrost@... writes:

<< Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up the
rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell bent
on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.
>>

Sounds like fun. Kick the alienated gothic buggers asses. Let me know how
it turns out.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3362 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
In a message dated 11/11/99 12:51:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
clk_whrr_chad@... writes:

<< Excuse me for those of us who have no idea what a LARP
is what is it?

-Chad Phillips >>

LARP stands for Live Action Role Play. Basically it is the same as a table
top game, except it has a lot more players and you actually act out some of
the actions and talk to the other players in character, mostly. The one I
play in, we usually rent a place and people dress in costume. Most of the
''action" is in talking to other players, as there are all these machivellian
politics going on. I understand some LARPs use a much simplified version of
Vampire, but ours uses the rules straight from the books, with a very few
modifications. Any time one wants to use combat or Vampire powers that are
not automatic, one calls a judge and it is figured out just like it would be
in a table top game. There is no chasing people around with a sword or
anything like that.

Sometimes, I find it can be a lot of fun, but sometimes it attracts some
people that _really_ have to get a life.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3363 From: J.J. Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
IIRC (which I probably don't) Vampire 1st Edition was LARP, 2nd Edition
broke it into MET (Mind's Eye Theater) and VtM (Table top).

There were (until the newest version of MET Vamp) a LOT of differences
between TT and LARP games, and I find that the MET is much better suited for
the type of gaming done in LARP.

Unfortunately as of late, 100% of my gaming has been on-line, currently at
http://lime.greenflame.com .

(As a side note, if there is enough interest, the Admin IS willing to create
rooms for other games so long as he/she doesn't have to be the ST for it.)


-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 5:04 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP


>In a message dated 11/11/99 12:51:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>clk_whrr_chad@... writes:
>
><< Excuse me for those of us who have no idea what a LARP
> is what is it?
>
> -Chad Phillips >>
>
>LARP stands for Live Action Role Play. Basically it is the same as a table
>top game, except it has a lot more players and you actually act out some of
>the actions and talk to the other players in character, mostly. The one I
>play in, we usually rent a place and people dress in costume. Most of the
>''action" is in talking to other players, as there are all these
machivellian
>politics going on. I understand some LARPs use a much simplified version
of
>Vampire, but ours uses the rules straight from the books, with a very few
>modifications. Any time one wants to use combat or Vampire powers that are
>not automatic, one calls a judge and it is figured out just like it would
be
>in a table top game. There is no chasing people around with a sword or
>anything like that.
>
>Sometimes, I find it can be a lot of fun, but sometimes it attracts some
>people that _really_ have to get a life.
>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3364 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
That's a cool Idea.

-- Chris B.


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> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:14:41 EST
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors & Stuff
>
> I found the easiest thing was to dump the rankings entirely. I just have
> NPC's go by the character's glory. Either they've heard of them or not.
> Like, last game the PC's went to Vegas to be in a match Balrog was hosting,
> the characters all had 2 or 3 honor and 0 or 1 glory(starting characters), so
> they had to "audition"-Balrog came out and asked" who wants to fight tonight"
> and whoever said yes got decked. He kept going & whoever could take his
> strongest punch was in-one of the PC's lucked out and only took 2 damage(out
> of 11 dice!) Since it didn't even dizzy him, Balrog said "okay you're in"
> The others had to fight a team match against no bodies in order to qualify,
> if they had lost the team match they wouldn't have been fighting in the real
> tournament. I say go with plot and forget the rankings. If a guy's glory is
> high enough, others will recognize hiom and want to fight him, andif a guy
> with honor 10 wants to fight Ryu he'd probably consider it regardless of rank.
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3365 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
Obviously... but Bruce lee was a good example I think, because of his
obvious superior fighting skills and fame and all that. I wasn't attempting
to assertain the comparisons of fictional and nonfictional characters...
that fact had nothing to do with my point.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:46 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


>I would reply to that, that you are basing someone who really existed,
>against fictional characters that can do things that no real person
>could...
>
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>
>On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Steve Karstensen wrote:
>
>>
>> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
>> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
>> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
>> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
>> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
>> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
>> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
>>
>> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
>> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
>>
>> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
>> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
>> Warrior.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
>> teleport or
>> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
>> The
>> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
>> did it
>> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok
>> so
>> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
>> Dragon
>> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
>> based
>> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>>
>> -- Chris B.
>>
>>
>> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >
>> >
>> > ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
>> but
>> > he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>> > Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
>> to
>> > rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
>> > it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
>> and
>> > teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>> >
>> > Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
>> died
>> > before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>> >
>> > Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
>> Enter
>> > the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
>> > he
>> > would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
>> well
>> > -
>> > liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>> > fairly
>> > (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>> > when
>> > he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>> > seen
>> > as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>> > I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>> > could
>> > position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>> > preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>> > something
>> > like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
>> doubt
>> > anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>> > boosted
>> > up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >
>> >
>> >> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>> >> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>> >>
>> >> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>> >> <paraphrased>
>> >> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
>> > in
>> > any
>> >> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>> >> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>> >>
>> >> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
>> lower
>> > than
>> >> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
>> everyone
>> > is
>> >> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
>> > up
>> >> dead, or retired.
>> >> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
>> him
>> > drop
>> >> from the ranks.
>> >> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>> > fall
>> >> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>> >> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
>> I
>> >> excpect it to be temporary.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>> > Therfore
>> > you
>> >> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
>> more
>> > that
>> >> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>> > any of
>> >> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>> > the
>> >> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
>> ruling
>> > is
>> >> simple for every fight.
>> >> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
>> thier
>> > first
>> >> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>> >> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank
>> 8
>> >> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>> > fighter,
>> >> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>> >> unspeakables.
>> >>
>> >> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
>> WW
>> > <Q>
>> >> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
>> all
>> > that
>> >> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
>> a
>> >> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
>> Robot?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>> > World
>> >>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>> >>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>> >>> first place).
>> >>>
>> >>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>> >>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
>> entering
>> >>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>> >>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
>> blaze
>> >>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
>> I
>> >>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>> > as a
>> >>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>> > was
>> >>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>> >>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>> > anything
>> >>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>> >>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>> >>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>> > just
>> >>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
>> rank
>> >>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>> >>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>> > suspect
>> >>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>> > simulate
>> >>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>> > rating
>> >>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>> > will
>> >>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>> >>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>> >>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>> >>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>> >>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
>> because
>> >>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>> > all
>> >>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>> > up
>> >>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>> >>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>> >>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>> >>> running around... ??
>> >>>
>> >>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
>> else's
>> >>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>> >>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>> >>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>> > walking
>> >>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>> >>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
>> by
>> >>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>> >>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>> >>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>> >>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>> >>>
>> >>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
>> ran
>> >>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
>> with
>> >>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>> >>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>> >>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
>> tell
>> >>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>> >>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
>> By
>> >>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
>> we'd
>> >>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>> >>>
>> >>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
>> the
>> >>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
>> a
>> >>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>> >>>> whatever
>> >>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>> >>>> quite
>> >>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>> >>>> chances
>> >>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>> >>>> order.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>> >>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>> >>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>> >>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>> > World
>> >>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>> >>>> had
>> >>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>> >>>> w/o
>> >>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>> > got
>> >>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>> > that
>> >>>> number would skyrocket.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>> > challenge
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>> >>>> kept
>> >>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>> > noticed,
>> >>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>> >>>> T-Hawk
>> >>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>> > back
>> >>>> before we changed added this rule.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>> >>>> -Laters!
>> >>>> -Chris!
>> >>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3366 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
But dont you have to fight a world warrior to become a world warrior? i dont
remember bruce doing that =)
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


>I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to teleport
or
>throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick. The
>move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He did
it
>in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok so
>it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original Dragon
>Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact based
>on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
>
>-- Chris B.
>
>
>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled but
>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed to
>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire and
>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
>>
>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just died
>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
>>
>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and Enter
>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
>> he
>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well
>> -
>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
>> fairly
>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
>> when
>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
>> seen
>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
>> could
>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
>> something
>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
>> boosted
>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>
>>
>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
>>>
>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
>>> <paraphrased>
>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
>> in
>> any
>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
>>>
>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
>> than
>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
>> is
>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
>> up
>>> dead, or retired.
>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
>> drop
>>> from the ranks.
>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
>> fall
>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
>>> excpect it to be temporary.
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
>> Therfore
>> you
>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more
>> that
>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
>> any of
>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
>> the
>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling
>> is
>>> simple for every fight.
>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
>> first
>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
>> fighter,
>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
>>> unspeakables.
>>>
>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
>> <Q>
>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
>> that
>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
>> World
>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
>>>> first place).
>>>>
>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
>> as a
>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
>> was
>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
>> anything
>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
>>>>
>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
>> just
>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
>> suspect
>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
>> simulate
>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
>> rating
>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
>> will
>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
>> all
>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
>> up
>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
>>>> running around... ??
>>>>
>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
>> walking
>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
>>>>
>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
>>>>
>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
>>>>> quite
>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
>>>>> to
>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
>>>>> chances
>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
>>>>> order.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
>>>>> that
>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
>> World
>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
>>>>> had
>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
>>>>> w/o
>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
>> got
>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
>> that
>>>>> number would skyrocket.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
>> challenge
>>>>> a
>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
>>>>> kept
>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
>> noticed,
>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
>>>>> T-Hawk
>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
>> back
>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
>>>>>
>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
>>>>> -Laters!
>>>>> -Chris!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Group: streetfighter Message: 3367 From: JSorochins@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: World Warriors & Stuff
In a message dated 11/11/99 4:02:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ptc075@... writes:

<< BTW, for you SF historians... I always heard that the tournament where
Ryu beat Sagat (SF1) was actually Ryu's first tournament fight ever. Up
until then, he had been up on the mountain training w/ Ken & Gouken.
Which only made Sagat's loss that much more bitter, seeing as he lost
to a complete nobody. Well, I guess by the end of the tournament, Ryu
woulda had 10 fights, that makes him Rank 3, right? Not sure if it's
true or not, I have way too much trouble keeping up w/ the 'official'
storyline. >>

Well, here is may take on Ryu and StreetFighter One. Please keep in mind I
make very large jumps based on very little information.

Ken and Ryu fight to decide who will be allowed to fight in the tournament.

(I get this because the winning quote when beating Ken is "I wish you good
luck." which is different from the win quote against the others. Like I
said, very LARGE jumps)

Then he has to fight Retsu for the right to leave on the Tournament. I
figure Retsu is a sort of senior student of Gouki's.

(I get this because Ryu fights both Ken and Retsu on the exact same
backround. So I assume this is Gouki's Dojo and there is that picture of
Retsu kicking Dan's ass, which I assume is a picture of when Dan was forced
to leave Gouki's training. A whole lot of assuming here, I know.)

Do I have the order of the fights mixed up? Either way, it works.

Anyhow, he fights a bunch of other guys and eventually beats Sagat to become
top guy.

As far as I can tell, the ranking system is an invention of White Wolf's,
although I would love to hear if I was wrong. As far as I can tell, anybody
can join a World Warrior tournament, but if your not good enough, you would
get washed out in the early rounds. Again, I would love to hear evidence
(from the video games) that I am wrong.

Lets see, given that a loss disqualifies one, and Ryu had to fight 7 people,
(Ken, Retsu, and Sagat not counting. Sagat because he is the reigning
champion and only has to fight the winner) thats 2 to the 7th power, meaning
that there were 128 fighters starting in the first tournament.

And before anybody jumps down my throat, please keep in mind the above is
what I think _could_ be, not what it necessarily _is_. Info on the first
tournament is sparse, so I like to fill in the details. Of course, if
something above contradicts something in the games (or somebody has a more
interesting theory), I would like to hear it. Always up to gain new info in
my pathetic quest for Street Fighter Lore.
Group: streetfighter Message: 3368 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/11/1999
Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
Attachments :
    Here he is... will you post battles on the streetfighter mail or somewhere
    else?
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@ez-poa.com.br>
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:57 AM
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski


    >Just send it to my email (rinaldo@ez-poa.com.br). It´s Rank 1 fighter no
    >merit or flaws but extra backgrounds like elementals, animal hybrid or
    >cyborgs are valid you can use that backgrounds.
    >A important thing send too his origin country and tatics (ten moves) and if
    >you want a winning quote (optional) his appearance (just for others players
    >see how he´s like), history (optional) , picture (optional).
    >Note: ten moves: are tatic or estrategy your fighter will use a simple
    >example:
    >
    >Move 1: jab
    >Move 2: Block
    >Move 3: Hurricane kick for combo (Hurricane kick for Dragon punch)
    >Move 4: Dragon punch
    >Move 5: Block
    >Move 6: Jab
    >Move 7: Block
    >Move 8: Hurricane kick for combo
    >Move 9: Dragon punch
    >Move 10: Roundhouse kick.
    >
    >"J. Scott Pittman" wrote:
    >
    >> where do i send my fighter for these games?
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@ez-poa.com.br>
    >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    >> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 3:45 AM
    >> Subject: [streetfighter] The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
    >>
    >> >This the third fight of this series of friendly fights, while I wait
    >> >more people (Need at last more 6 and maximum 9) because I put some Npc
    >> >fighters for players receive some exp. Well this going to a great match,
    >> >good luck for Blaise (Chris Krug-Iron). With someone want to play just
    >> >send me a fighter. With origin country, a winning quote and tatics (ten
    >> >moves).
    >> >
    >> >Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Country: Poland.
    >> >Appearence: A long blond hair guy with a red and gold chinese tunic
    >> >with typical shoes, blue eyes and white skin.
    >> > Vs
    >> >
    >> >Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Country: U.S.A.
    >> >Appearence: A young man in his twenties. About 5 foot 9 inches tall,
    >> >weighs about 160 pounds. Of Caucasian descent, well-built, with
    >> >short dark red hair and grey eyes. Wears a black denim jacket over a
    >> >dark red t-shirt, black jeans, and biker boots with spurs.
    >> >Arena: A old gym, with many people looking.
    >> >
    >> >The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fights
    >> >starts:
    >> >
    >> >Move 1: Kozminski blocks and Blaise hit a strong punch damage but no
    >> >damage.
    >> >Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before with a
    >> >short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
    >> >combo.
    >> >Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl try of
    >> >pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
    >> >Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
    >> >Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
    >> >Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
    >> >hit and Blaise stuns!!!
    >> >Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
    >> >points of damage and still stun!!!
    >> >Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
    >> >Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
    >> >free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.
    >> >Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from Blaise hit
    >> >him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
    >> >Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
    >> >damage and he knock out.
    >> >
    >> >Blaise helps Kozminsk to stand up and then calmly walks away.
    >> >No winning quote from Blaise:
    >> >
    >> >It´s over folks Blaise wins for Knock out, good Tatic Chris Krug-Iron
    >> >see you next bout.
    >> >And remember when I have a good number of fighters I will start the
    >> >tournament.
    >> >
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3369 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/11/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    Obviously you're joking, so I will laugh. *L*

    -- Chris B.


    > From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
    > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:00:12 -0800
    > To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >
    > But dont you have to fight a world warrior to become a world warrior? i dont
    > remember bruce doing that =)
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:58 AM
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >
    >
    >> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to teleport
    > or
    >> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick. The
    >> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He did
    > it
    >> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok so
    >> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original Dragon
    >> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact based
    >> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
    >>
    >> -- Chris B.
    >>
    >>
    >>> From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
    >>> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >>> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
    >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled but
    >>> he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
    >>> Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed to
    >>> rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
    >>> it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire and
    >>> teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
    >>>
    >>> Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just died
    >>> before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
    >>>
    >>> Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and Enter
    >>> the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
    >>>
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
    >>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
    >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
    >>> he
    >>> would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be well
    >>> -
    >>> liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
    >>> fairly
    >>> (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
    >>> when
    >>> he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
    >>> seen
    >>> as a coward if he diddnt accept!
    >>> I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
    >>> could
    >>> position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
    >>> preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
    >>> something
    >>> like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I doubt
    >>> anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
    >>> boosted
    >>> up to at least Rank 9 or 10
    >>> -----Original Message-----
    >>> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
    >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    >>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
    >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
    >>>> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
    >>>>
    >>>> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
    >>>> <paraphrased>
    >>>> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
    >>> in
    >>> any
    >>>> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
    >>>> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
    >>>>
    >>>> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone lower
    >>> than
    >>>> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what everyone
    >>> is
    >>>> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
    >>> up
    >>>> dead, or retired.
    >>>> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made him
    >>> drop
    >>>> from the ranks.
    >>>> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
    >>> fall
    >>>> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
    >>>> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but I
    >>>> excpect it to be temporary.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
    >>> Therfore
    >>> you
    >>>> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any more
    >>> that
    >>>> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
    >>> any of
    >>>> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
    >>> the
    >>>> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My ruling
    >>> is
    >>>> simple for every fight.
    >>>> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this thier
    >>> first
    >>>> fight. And there must be a witness present.
    >>>> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank 8
    >>>> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
    >>> fighter,
    >>>> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
    >>>> unspeakables.
    >>>>
    >>>> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg WW
    >>> <Q>
    >>>> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now all
    >>> that
    >>>> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered a
    >>>> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E. Robot?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
    >>> World
    >>>>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
    >>>>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
    >>>>> first place).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
    >>>>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was entering
    >>>>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
    >>>>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just blaze
    >>>>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way. I
    >>>>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
    >>> as a
    >>>>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
    >>> was
    >>>>> gained. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
    >>>>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
    >>> anything
    >>>>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
    >>>>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
    >>>>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
    >>> just
    >>>>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of rank
    >>>>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
    >>>>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
    >>> suspect
    >>>>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
    >>> simulate
    >>>>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
    >>> rating
    >>>>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
    >>> will
    >>>>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> -----Original Message-----
    >>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
    >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
    >>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
    >>>>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
    >>>>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
    >>>>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
    >>>>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1, because
    >>>>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
    >>> all
    >>>>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
    >>> up
    >>>>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
    >>>>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
    >>>>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
    >>>>> running around... ??
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone else's
    >>>>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
    >>>>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
    >>>>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
    >>> walking
    >>>>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
    >>>>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it by
    >>>>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
    >>>>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
    >>>>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
    >>>>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we ran
    >>>>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor with
    >>>>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
    >>>>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
    >>>>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to tell
    >>>>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
    >>>>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists. By
    >>>>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but we'd
    >>>>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of the
    >>>>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of a
    >>>>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
    >>>>>> whatever
    >>>>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
    >>>>>> quite
    >>>>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
    >>>>>> to
    >>>>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
    >>>>>> chances
    >>>>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
    >>>>>> order.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
    >>>>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
    >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
    >>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
    >>>>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
    >>>>>> that
    >>>>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
    >>>>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
    >>> World
    >>>>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
    >>>>>> had
    >>>>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
    >>>>>> w/o
    >>>>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
    >>> got
    >>>>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
    >>> that
    >>>>>> number would skyrocket.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
    >>> challenge
    >>>>>> a
    >>>>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
    >>>>>> kept
    >>>>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
    >>> noticed,
    >>>>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
    >>>>>> T-Hawk
    >>>>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
    >>> back
    >>>>>> before we changed added this rule.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
    >>>>>> -Laters!
    >>>>>> -Chris!
    >>>>>>
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3370 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/11/1999
    Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
    In a message dated 11/11/99 3:06:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    inrifrost@... writes:

    << Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up the
    rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell bent
    on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
    Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.
    >>
    where do you game at?
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3371 From: Charles Little Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    That reply was not aimed at you... So now I'm confused... :)

    -----
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    On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, J. Scott Pittman wrote:

    > Obviously... but Bruce lee was a good example I think, because of his
    > obvious superior fighting skills and fame and all that. I wasn't attempting
    > to assertain the comparisons of fictional and nonfictional characters...
    > that fact had nothing to do with my point.
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Charles Little <infinite@...>
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 10:46 AM
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >
    >
    > >I would reply to that, that you are basing someone who really existed,
    > >against fictional characters that can do things that no real person
    > >could...
    > >
    > >-----
    > >Charles Little
    > >Systems Architect/Sr. Partner
    > >Infinite Visions Studios
    > >e-mail: charles.little@..., voice: (877) 483-6339
    > >http://www.infinite-visions.com
    > >"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking up at the stars..."
    > >-Oscar Wilde
    > >
    > >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Steve Karstensen wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> nope. high-power Chi maneuvers or super-force punches, when combined
    > >> with "regular" fighting, will give the fighter the true edge they need
    > >> to become a World Warrior. When your competition is using Psycho
    > >> Crushers and Lightning Legs, it doesn't matter if you can kick a light
    > >> bulb. You'd better be able to get Chun Li's hang-time (21-foot jump,
    > >> straight up) or throw infernos like Dhalsim or you're gonna get beat.
    > >> Only difference is, you'll last five rounds instead of two.
    > >>
    > >> A rising twirl kick is not a true Dragon Kick, no more than a jumping
    > >> Power Uppercut is a Dragon Punch.
    > >>
    > >> Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
    > >> Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
    > >> Warrior.
    > >>
    > >> -----Original Message-----
    > >> From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
    > >> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 1:57 PM
    > >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> I would consider Bruce-lee a world warrior, who said you have to
    > >> teleport or
    > >> throw fire to be a world warrior? Besides, Bruce had the Dragon Kick.
    > >> The
    > >> move was based on Bruce's jump kicking a light bulb straight up!!! He
    > >> did it
    > >> in an episode of the Green Hornet (and a few of his earlier movies). Ok
    > >> so
    > >> it didn't have flames engulf his foot, but neither did the original
    > >> Dragon
    > >> Punch. I have to remind you that all of Fei-Long's moves were in fact
    > >> based
    > >> on Bruce-Lee's dynamic fighting. Sounds like a World Warrior to me.
    > >>
    > >> -- Chris B.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> > From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
    > >> > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:32:21 -0500
    > >> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > ....III wouldn't go *that* far. Bruce may have been highly skilled
    > >> but
    > >> > he didn't manage to master any higher-ranking maneuvers like Dragon
    > >> > Punch or Dim Mak. As a result, unless he either improved or managed
    > >> to
    > >> > rely on his regular techniques and combos, he would probably only make
    > >> > it to rank seven or eight. World Warriors do things like throw fire
    > >> and
    > >> > teleport. Bruce wasn't quite that good.
    > >> >
    > >> > Although, that's not to say he didn't have the potential. He just
    > >> died
    > >> > before he would have achieved such powers, I think.
    > >> >
    > >> > Speaking of the legend, Lee died two months prior to my birth, and
    > >> Enter
    > >> > the Dragon was released the month before I was born. Coincidence?
    > >> >
    > >> > -----Original Message-----
    > >> > From: J. Scott Pittman [mailto:joespitt@...]
    > >> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:16 AM
    > >> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > I agree with all of this except that if Akuma entered the tournaments,
    > >> > he
    > >> > would have to be recognized if he went undefeated... he may not be
    > >> well
    > >> > -
    > >> > liked, but he would have to be recognized, if he gained his victory
    > >> > fairly
    > >> > (thats a stretch i know)... he would almost without doubt be accepted
    > >> > when
    > >> > he challenged a WW to a match... he is so powerful that a WW would be
    > >> > seen
    > >> > as a coward if he diddnt accept!
    > >> > I think what would happen with (almost any) fighter is that Akuma
    > >> > could
    > >> > position to enter the circuit at a higher rank. There would be some
    > >> > preliminary fights and some judges to detirmine his rank level, or
    > >> > something
    > >> > like that... If Bruce Lee was still around and came to the ring, I
    > >> doubt
    > >> > anybody would accept him as a Rank 1 fighter, he would immediatly be
    > >> > boosted
    > >> > up to at least Rank 9 or 10
    > >> > -----Original Message-----
    > >> > From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
    > >> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > >> > Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 9:54 PM
    > >> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >> Thank you Steve, for once again bringing order to the Chaos.
    > >> >> Verafication for anyone, about what he's saying:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Pg. 62, SF:TSTG
    > >> >> <paraphrased>
    > >> >> To enter the World warriors <a Division> you must attain rank 9 or 10
    > >> > in
    > >> > any
    > >> >> of the other division, Duelist, Traditional, Freestyle.
    > >> >> OR you can beat a WW in combat.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Like Steve said, a WW would never take the challange from anyone
    > >> lower
    > >> > than
    > >> >> rank 8 or so <normaly> so this almost never happens. Also what
    > >> everyone
    > >> > is
    > >> >> saying about having an impeccable record is true. Not former WW ended
    > >> > up
    > >> >> dead, or retired.
    > >> >> Look at ADON. he's still on the circut in SF:3, but his losses made
    > >> him
    > >> > drop
    > >> >> from the ranks.
    > >> >> In my adventures I've been carful not to let any of the WW from SF2,
    > >> > fall
    > >> >> from grace prematurely. But i've had some former/future WW make guest
    > >> >> appearances at rank 9-10. Oro recently beat E. Honda in a story, but
    > >> I
    > >> >> excpect it to be temporary.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As far as akuma goes, well. Is he officially on the circut? no.
    > >> > Therfore
    > >> > you
    > >> >> shan't accumulate a victory/loss with him <even with witness> any
    > >> more
    > >> > that
    > >> >> you would some bouncer at a club that's not on the circut. As far as
    > >> > any of
    > >> >> us can tell, he has no desire to be on the circut, mearly to beat up
    > >> > the
    > >> >> SF'ers, hence I doubt he'll ever hold rank or follow rules. My
    > >> ruling
    > >> > is
    > >> >> simple for every fight.
    > >> >> Both fighters must be registered, unless they are declaring this
    > >> thier
    > >> > first
    > >> >> fight. And there must be a witness present.
    > >> >> I agree with steve about the rank 8 lossing honor. Any honorable rank
    > >> 8
    > >> >> would not accept a challenge <nor GIVE a challenge> to a newbie
    > >> > fighter,
    > >> >> unless they showed TREMENDOUS promise. But there will always be the
    > >> >> unspeakables.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> On a side note, I just reilized that SF:3 showed us our first Cyborg
    > >> WW
    > >> > <Q>
    > >> >> and our first elemental WW's <Gill: Fire/Ice, Urien: Metal>. Is now
    > >> all
    > >> > that
    > >> >> we are waiting for a hybrid? Hmm... Would necro mearly be concidered
    > >> a
    > >> >> mutant a la Blanka? And how about Twelve? a level 6 cyborg, I.E.
    > >> Robot?
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> A Rank Four fighter would never have his challenge accepted by any
    > >> > World
    > >> >>> Warrior ('cept maybe an evil one who'd make a point to cripple the
    > >> >>> arrogant little fuck for having the audacity to challenge him in the
    > >> >>> first place).
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> What would happen to Akuma? Yes, he would be rank 1. However, word
    > >> >>> travels fast, and as soon as anyone important noticed he was
    > >> entering
    > >> >>> low-level tournaments, they'd step outside the rules of the circuit.
    > >> >>> Special circumstances warrant special exceptions. Or he'd just
    > >> blaze
    > >> >>> his way up the ranks in about a week and go for it the normal way.
    > >> I
    > >> >>> think what would happen is that no one would acknowledge his status
    > >> > as a
    > >> >>> World Warrior (save maybe Bison & crew) due to the way in which it
    > >> > was
    > >> >>> gained.. The rules say rank 9 or 10, impeccable record, challenge a
    > >> >>> World Warrior, get the title. No honorable fighter will accept
    > >> > anything
    > >> >>> less. The Big Four hold their titles by record alone.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Rank 8 fighters doing what you describe is essentially goading
    > >> >>> lower-ranking opponents into challenging them, which is the same as
    > >> >>> challenging the rank-fivers themselves. I'd dock him honor for it,
    > >> > just
    > >> >>> like the time I docked one of my players for taking on a pair of
    > >> rank
    > >> >>> threes by himself. The way it's supposed to work is you should only
    > >> >>> challenge or accept challenges of your peers, or someone who you
    > >> > suspect
    > >> >>> is better than his rank may indicate. The house rule I use to
    > >> > simulate
    > >> >>> this is that if a character has a Glory (or Honor, in some cases)
    > >> > rating
    > >> >>> equal to the rank of the fighter he's challenging, the challengee
    > >> > will
    > >> >>> take him seriously. Anything less, he'll be laughed at for.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
    > >> >>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
    > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:39 PM
    > >> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Right, but what happens when a Rank 4 fighter beats a World Warrior?
    > >> >>> Does he not get the title until he hits Rank 9? Or does he lose it
    > >> >>> when he drops back down to rank 3... hmmm... could take a while for
    > >> >>> that one... We always had the arguement about what would happen if
    > >> >>> Akuma decided to join the circuit. Technically, he's rank 1,
    > >> because
    > >> >>> he doesn't care about the circuit at all, & as far as I know, he's
    > >> > all
    > >> >>> but unknown to the rest of the world, save Ryu & Ken. He just pops
    > >> > up
    > >> >>> & challenges fighters around the world to hone his skill, & they
    > >> >>> usually end up dead. He could easily beat some of the lesser world
    > >> >>> warriors out there now, & then you'd have a rank 1 world warrior
    > >> >>> running around... ??
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Okay, perhaps these leaps of logic aren't the same as everyone
    > >> else's
    > >> >>> on the group, but it made sense to us at the time. In order to get
    > >> >>> around this whole problem, we removed the ranking requirement from
    > >> >>> World Warrios later... I think the GM got sick of the Rank 8 PC
    > >> > walking
    > >> >>> into the rank 5 tournaments to get 20 quick wins, so he could regain
    > >> >>> his world warrior status. (If you were a world warrior, & lose it
    > >> by
    > >> >>> dropping to rank 8, do you get your status back when you get back to
    > >> >>> rank 9?) PS, side debate here, if you're rank 8, & you walk into a
    > >> >>> tournament of lower ranked fighters & say you'll accept any and all
    > >> >>> challenges, should you take an honor loss?
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Pehaps our GM just likes the secret masters idea too much, but we
    > >> ran
    > >> >>> accross SEVERAL unranked/Rank 1 fighters who could mop the floor
    > >> with
    > >> >>> us (we were all rank 7+ by the end of that one). Just because you
    > >> >>> don't compete in tournaments doesn't mean you can't fight. Another
    > >> >>> great example of this is when you take the SF engine & use it to
    > >> tell
    > >> >>> just a normal story. Friend once ran us thru his version of 'Big
    > >> >>> Trouble in Little China', with all of us playing martial artists.
    > >> By
    > >> >>> the end of it, we were all about equal to rank 4 characters, but
    > >> we'd
    > >> >>> never had a 'real' street fight. (AKA, we weren't ranked.)
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> I dunno, I've just always seen the World Warrior title as more of
    > >> the
    > >> >>> 'king of the hill' I'm the best type thing, & ranking to be more of
    > >> a
    > >> >>> official/bookie/how many tournament fights have you been in?
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> I'd wager if a World Warrior ever lost his ranking (9 or 10 in
    > >> >>>> whatever
    > >> >>>> division he held) he would lose his World Warrior status. This is
    > >> >>>> quite
    > >> >>>> easy to do given the incredibly exacting record a warrior must hold
    > >> >>>> to
    > >> >>>> maintain such a high rank. One or two losses may be enough, so
    > >> >>>> chances
    > >> >>>> are if you beat a World Warrior a re-evaluation of his record is in
    > >> >>>> order.
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> -----Original Message-----
    > >> >>>> From: Chris Nelson [mailto:ptc075@...]
    > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:07 PM
    > >> >>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> >>>> Subject: [streetfighter] World Warriors - was: Duelists
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> This letter just reminded me of a house rule we play with, & I was
    > >> >>>> wondering if we were the only group that used it. The rules state
    > >> >>>> that
    > >> >>>> if you beat a World Warrior in a best of 3 fight, then you become a
    > >> >>>> World Warrior. So, after a while, you'd have just millions of
    > >> > World
    > >> >>>> Warriors, right? Well, millions is perhaps an exageration, but we
    > >> >>>> had
    > >> >>>> 25 of them by the time my 1st Street Fighter game ended, & that was
    > >> >>>> w/o
    > >> >>>> all the Alpha series characters added... Plus, as new characters
    > >> > got
    > >> >>>> better & better, & new NPCs got introduced, it only seemed like
    > >> > that
    > >> >>>> number would skyrocket.
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> So, we set the max number of World Warriors to 16. If you
    > >> > challenge
    > >> >>>> a
    > >> >>>> World Warrior & beat them, you get their spot & they lose it. It
    > >> >>>> kept
    > >> >>>> the title under control. Plus, as I'm sure some of you have
    > >> > noticed,
    > >> >>>> some of the characters in the base book just aren't that great.
    > >> >>>> T-Hawk
    > >> >>>> got nicknamed the 'World Warrior Generator' in our 1st campaign,
    > >> > back
    > >> >>>> before we changed added this rule.
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> A-way, just my 2 cents thrown at the crowd.
    > >> >>>> -Laters!
    > >> >>>> -Chris!
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3372 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speedvs.Strength)
    In a message dated 11/11/99 12:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    cbaker@... writes:

    << I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think of fictional
    Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
    I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind fight!!!!! I'd give
    Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!! >>
    not bad. but i actually started picking vampire clans (i know this is a SF
    group, but i want to share, so :-P) for various wrestlers. stone cold is
    defineatly a brujah, while kane is a tremere with LOTS of lure of the flames.
    mankind is a malk w/multiple personalities (read:cactus jack and dude love).
    and yes, he has ungodly amounts of fortitude!!!
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3373 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    In a message dated 11/11/99 1:10:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    skarstensen@... writes:

    << Fei Long's moves may have been *based* on Lee, but I would argue that
    Fei Long surpassed the master in several ways in order to become a World
    Warrior. >>
    sorry, but i have to disagree here. lee was completely human, but he could
    knock someone back like 20 feet with that 1 inch punch of his!!! maybe thats
    his special. speed +1, damage +5, move 0. if damages, opponent is pushed back
    10 feet for each success.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3374 From: SlpStck@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    staredown@... writes:

    << Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is the only one that does
    (barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu and the crew shoot
    blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force bubbles and other nonfire
    stuff. >>
    true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're using, or should be, if you're
    playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga fire that ryu has for his
    hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire elemental. nor is blanka an
    elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3375 From: AJSolis@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    In a message dated 11/11/99 12:35:05 PM Central Standard Time,
    skarstensen@... writes:

    >
    > Anyway, what I'm getting at is that in the world I use, not every
    > martial artist is a Street Fighter, nor could they hope to be, unless
    > they strive to go that extra mile and master the superhuman abilities
    > that true pros do.
    That pretty much how I see it whenever I play around with a WoD crossover
    with SF. Street fighters aren't just martial artists, they are superhuman
    martial artists.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3376 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
    Yeah I'm not disputing if we made Kane fictional he'd
    be tougher but I thought you were refeering to him in
    the realistic sense. Yes a fictional mankind versus
    blanka match would be hilarious. I'd pay to see that.
    And I also don't diagree that Kane is reality is a
    huge person and could probably snap any normal person
    like me in half like a twig. But the problem is that
    in reality people like him and stone cold practice
    Fake Wrestling yes I know they put themselves in
    danger by doing very dangerous acrobatic manuvers, but
    you have to rember WWF wrestling is fake. I'm sorry
    but if someone smacked somebody else with a metal
    folding you not only would be in pain, but you
    probably brake a few ribs not to mention a vertbrae or
    two and you most definetly would not stand right back
    up. So the problem with WWF wrestlers is they compete
    and train on a much lower level then Street Fighter.
    Fictional we can do whataever we want.

    -Chad Phillips


    --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
    > I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think
    > of fictional
    > Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
    > I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind
    > fight!!!!! I'd give
    > Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!!
    >
    > -- Chris B.
    >
    >
    > > From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
    > <clk_whrr_chad@...>
    > > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:47:02 -0800 (PST)
    > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings
    > (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
    > >
    > > I like can for purposes of WWF, but him up against
    > a
    > > street fighter and he get turned into a pile of
    > goo. I
    > > could just see someone hitting him with a dragon
    > punch
    > > woops there goes his head. Although I would prefer
    > him
    > > over the damn undertaker what the heck is with him
    > > anyway last time I saw him he looked like a
    > frigging
    > > biker. First it was the cheap leather armor than
    > the
    > > stupid looking robes and now this. Why can't he
    > just
    > > back to wearing the cool undertaker outfit with
    > the
    > > gloves, hat, and cloak that was much cooler.
    > Anyway
    > > sorry I wen't flying off the topic on that one.
    > >
    > > -Chad Phillips
    > >
    > > --- Azathoth05@... wrote:
    > >> If you smellllllllllllllllllllllll!
    > >>
    > >> Actually I did convert Kane and he is one bad
    > mama
    > >> jama. I haven't sicked
    > >> him on the players yet, they're way too weak
    > right
    > >> now!
    > >>
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3377 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speedvs.Strength)
    *L*
    -- Chris B.


    > From: SlpStck@...
    > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:58:48 EST
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speedvs.Strength)
    >
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 12:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    > cbaker@... writes:
    >
    > << I agree Streetfighters kick Wrestling ass. But think of fictional
    > Streetfighter Kane. Maybe he's a fire elemental.
    > I personally would like to see a Blanka vs Mankind fight!!!!! I'd give
    > Mankind a high stamina. It would be Hilarious!!! >>
    > not bad. but i actually started picking vampire clans (i know this is a SF
    > group, but i want to share, so :-P) for various wrestlers. stone cold is
    > defineatly a brujah, while kane is a tremere with LOTS of lure of the flames.
    > mankind is a malk w/multiple personalities (read:cactus jack and dude love).
    > and yes, he has ungodly amounts of fortitude!!!
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3378 From: Chris Baker Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    Book Smchook, what ever happened to imagination? Just because the book says
    it doesn't make it law.

    -- Chris B.


    > From: SlpStck@...
    > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:04:50 EST
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    > staredown@... writes:
    >
    > << Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is the only one that does
    > (barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu and the crew shoot
    > blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force bubbles and other nonfire
    > stuff. >>

    > true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're using, or should be, if you're
    > playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga fire that ryu has for his
    > hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire elemental. nor is blanka an
    > elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3379 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    Hry that's an interesting idea. What would be the
    right up for a sonic elementalist? And what manuvers
    would he have?

    --- SlpStck@... wrote:
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern
    > Standard Time,
    > staredown@... writes:
    >
    > << Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is
    > the only one that does
    > (barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu
    > and the crew shoot
    > blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force
    > bubbles and other nonfire
    > stuff. >>
    > true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're
    > using, or should be, if you're
    > playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga
    > fire that ryu has for his
    > hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire
    > elemental. nor is blanka an
    > elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.
    >
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3380 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
    At the local university, actually. The University of Saskatchewan in
    Saskatoon, Canada, if you know where that is. The local ST team has a room
    in one of the buildings (and others, in case of emergencies). We game every
    two weeks on Fridays.


    >From: SlpStck@...
    >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
    >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:43:29 EST
    >
    >In a message dated 11/11/99 3:06:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    >inrifrost@... writes:
    >
    ><< Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up
    >the
    > rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell
    >bent
    > on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
    > Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.
    > >>
    >where do you game at?
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3381 From: Chris Krug-Iron Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Streetfighter LARP
    *gets all sweaty with pent-up rage, goes storming out of the house looking
    for the nearest Vampire*

    "Aargh!"


    >From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
    >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
    >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:17:24 -0500
    >
    >Streetfighters everywhere are depending on you Chris. Show em' who's the
    >king of the castle.
    >Hey! King of the Castle!!! That could be a tournament fight!!!
    >
    >-- Chris B.
    >
    >
    > > From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
    > > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:05:12 PST
    > > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
    > >
    > > Funny you should mention something like that. The guy I'm writing up
    >the
    > > rules for the LARP is a storyteller of the local Vamp game. He's hell
    >bent
    > > on the "experimental character" angle of it. Wants me to come in with a
    > > Streetfignter/Hunter and stir things up a bit. I'll keep you posted.
    > >
    > >
    > >> From: JSorochins@...
    > >> Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > >> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Streetfighter LARP
    > >> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:26:39 EST
    > >>
    > >> In a message dated 11/10/99 1:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    > >> ptc075@... writes:
    > >>
    > >> << One of my good friends, who is into the Vampire LARP scene played an
    > >> NPC Street Fighter a couple of times... Didn't work too well. You've
    > >> got all the normal problems of trying to intergrate SF & the World of
    > >> Darkness, plus the added bonus of being in a LARP. Next time I see him
    > >> I'll ask if he remembers any of it, think its close to 3 years ago now.
    > >> All I remember is that the character had just a ton of
    > >> personality/background, so she had plenty of subplot stuff going on to
    > >> keep her busy. I think you're right thou, you really need that to keep
    > >> the LARP going. I'm sure if you were serious about it, you could mod
    > >> the SF combat rules to make them work in an RPG. I'm not positive, but
    > >> I believe in my friend's case, they just treated him as a normal human,
    > >> with techniques instead of disciplines & special moves instead of
    > >> special abilities... >>
    > >>
    > >> Thanks for your comments. I don't think the LARP I play would ever let
    >me
    > >> play a streetfighter, I'm in one of those real strict ones, which has
    > >> advantages and disadvantages.
    > >>
    > >> I would like to start my own strictly Streetfighter LARP (at least a
    >small
    > >> one with a few friends). Since there has been no chorus of "Lawd, that
    > >> will
    > >> _never_ work", I believe I shall.
    > >>
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3382 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    break out Vega's bunny suit, we have a winner!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Baker [mailto:cbaker@...]
    Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:23 AM
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


    Book Smchook, what ever happened to imagination? Just because the book
    says
    it doesn't make it law.

    -- Chris B.


    > From: SlpStck@...
    > Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:04:50 EST
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    >
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    > staredown@... writes:
    >
    > << Not really, Dhalsim actually shoots fire and is the only one that
    does
    > (barring EX2 and Alpha3). It's actually fire. Ryu and the crew shoot
    > blue (and occasionaly red) hadokens and force bubbles and other
    nonfire
    > stuff. >>

    > true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're using, or should be, if
    you're
    > playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga fire that ryu has
    for his
    > hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire elemental. nor is
    blanka an
    > elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.


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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3383 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    --- aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...> wrote:
    > Hry that's an interesting idea. What would be the
    > right up for a sonic elementalist? And what manuvers
    > would he have?

    *shrugs* Beats me, the system I use is very different from the standard
    SF:STG system. Basicaly I set it up as a merit (if you don't know the
    Merits/Flaws system, a merit is an additional ability that you buy with
    freebie points).

    But if you're interested, here's my write up:


    The Power (6 pts.)

    There are as many ways of calling forth the Power as there are facets of
    the Power itself. The Power is neither heat nor cold, light nor darkness,
    earthly nor spiritual. It embodies all these traits, and every other trait
    in existence; which trait it manifests depends upon the skill and natural
    inclinations of the caller. The Power encompasses all there is, and is
    therefore everything. It is a rare mortal indeed who has the potential to
    channel a single grain of the Power. Those who can usually do so by
    finding and reinforcing an affinity for one particular element. I do not
    speak of the meaningless "elements" that scientists like my younger
    brother blather about, but the true elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and
    the many derivatives thereof, such as Stone, Wind, Light...or Ice.

    -- Sub-Zero, The Coming of Winter

    This was the Elemental Background in the PG. Several World Warriors have
    this merit in one form or another, examples include Charlie, Dee Jay,
    Guile (Sound), Blanka (Lightning or Electricity), and Dhalsim (Fire).
    Virtually, anything naturally occurring in nature can be the focus of the
    Power. Some additional Examples include Magma, Poison, Darkness, Cold,
    Metal, Magnetism, Acid, Mud, Smoke, and anything else you or your players
    can come up with. The only things that should definitely be disallowed are
    Hard Radiation, Magic (If you use it), Psionics (If you use it), and Chi

    Every Element has it's opposite, Water has Fire, Electricity has
    Magnetism, Magma has Ice, etc. However, not all of these have an obvious
    opposite. (Can anyone off the top of their heads tell me what the opposite
    of Diamond is?) In cases like this, and if your players are like mine you
    will encounter them, you must decide whether the power is matter of
    energy. If it's matter, then chances are you can relate it to one or two
    of the original four elements (Air, Earth, Fire, and Water). You then
    choose an
    appropriate component from it's opposite. For example: Diamonds are part
    of the earth. The Earth's opposite is air. I choose Clouds to be it's
    opposite). If the Element is Energy then you must choose another energy to
    be it's opposite. For Example: Sound is an energy, so I choose Gravity to
    be it's opposite. However, some elements don't apply to the following
    guidelines (Poison, for example). In cases like this, you can pick a
    random element to be it's opposite. It may not make sense, but as long as
    it's consistent it shouldn't affect game balance.

    Fireball, Improved fireball, etc. are not the result of the Element Fire.
    They are blasts of pure Chi and are not true fire.

    The Power gives partial immunity to your chosen element. When soaking
    damage from your element add your Focus Technique to your soak. However,
    you take additional damage from your opposite element. Subtract three
    successes from your soak roll. The Element chosen by the fighter will be
    evident when using any maneuver with a focus requirement, from the Flash
    Kick, to the Stunning Shout, to the Improved Fireball. Example: a
    Lightning fighter learns fireball maneuver, instead of throwing a Chi
    blast at his opponent, he throws Ball Lightning.

    By far the biggest advantage that the wielders of The Power have is their
    ability to adapt their power to rapidly changing circumstances. Masters of
    The Power can invent new maneuvers on the spot for one power point (four
    experience points) more than the maeuver's cost.

    Example: Dhalsim is outside of a burning building when he hears cries for
    help inside. After teleporting in, he sees ten people trapped by the
    flames. Realizing that he can't teleport so many people at once, he
    reaches inside himself and finds the fiery core of his life essence. He
    then reaches even deeper and finds the tiny core of negative energy with
    in his life force. He draws it out, shapes it and gives it strength,
    creating a path through the flames.

    In game terms, Dhalsim's player spent 4 experience points to create a new
    maneuver, Suppress Flame.



    Incidently, if you can find The Comming of Winter on the net, take the
    time to read it. It's the best MK fanfic on the web, and I've read more
    than a few.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3384 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: silly shiznit
    I just got an idea. What is the most ridiculous NPC you ever came up
    with? And along those same lines, what is the most idiotic/stupid/silly
    thing you (as a player) have ever gotten an NPC to do?

    Here's mine;

    silly NPCS; well, it's a toss-up between Speedy, the Sumo Turtle,
    Ming-Ming the Kabaddi Panda Sensei, and Habeeb, a two-foot-tall hustler
    with a four-foot turban. The players hired Habeeb to take them to a
    temple out in the jungles of Bangladesh. Every time they asked him if
    he was qualified to be their guide, he would inflate the number of times
    he'd been to the temple, so by the time they got there, he was assuring
    them that, with his over 200 trips to the temple, he would guide them
    there safely.

    Speedy was pretty damn funny in his own right, in a dry sort of way. A
    four-foot turtle in a mawashi, Speedy had a Dex of 1 but used Zen No
    Mind to simply "be", chucking his opponents around with Tearing Bite
    (he'd roll back onto his shell to flip them) or using his head like a
    battering ram. Naturally, he had Maka Wara, and pulled his head into
    his shell to "block". Strangely enough, it worked. One of the team's
    most powerful fighters was so confused he fought a Draw against the big
    turtle.

    Speedy don't talk none too fast, either. And as it was the team bimbo's
    first encounter with an animal hybrid, the scene was even more funny
    than it could have been.
    "Well... there's one thing I learned about... being a Street Fighter...
    *long pause*
    Do you... want to hear about it?"

    Sadly, the team has yet to meet Ming-Ming, but the concept there is that
    of an enormous Panda with Zen No Mind, Yoga Teleport, and lots of
    high-powered, ranged Focus attacks. Just sits there munching on bamboo
    until someone gets hostile, then hucks an un-dodgeable Zenned Acid
    Breath blast.

    The funniest thing we ever got an NPC to do was, strangely enough, Bison
    himself. Well, it wasn't that funny, but you gotta picture it. :) The
    team was on Mriganka trying to rescue Chun Li, and to do so they posed
    as fighters entering one of Bison's tournaments. They find out too late
    that the tournament was for fighters about double their rank and up
    (they were 2 and 3, the tourney was for 5-10). So anyways, one of my
    players is Jin, a Tai Kwan Leep stylist with no arms. (Don't ask).
    Since the team had been calling him "Handy" for most of the chronicle,
    that was the alias he used to sign himself up for the tournament as. As
    a result, when Bison was introducing the participants, having them stand
    up and be addressed by the name on the leaderboard, Jin got Bison to
    call him "Handy".

    For some reason the team thought that was hysterically funny. I wonder
    about them sometimes.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3385 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    --- SlpStck@... wrote:
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

    > true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're using, or should be, if
    > you're
    > playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga fire that ryu has
    > for his
    > hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire elemental. nor is
    > blanka an
    > elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.

    *Shrugs* Fireball is one of the avilable maneuvers for Fire Elementals,
    so that really doesn't matter. Of course it's also one of the Kabaddi
    maneuvers, so it really depends on how you interpret it.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3386 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: silly shiznit
    I made one Pc travel to another dimension, where he had to fight all kinds
    of crazy battles to escape... the craziest by far was Buggy Bunny, a cartoon
    character who was brought to life by a Mage who simply loved him... the PC
    had to deal with the rabbit blowing his thumb to make his fist grow larger
    (dragon, er, rabbit punch), leaping over him and putting dynamite down his
    pants, making manipulation rolls to avoid being given exploding presents
    (and opening them), etc etc.
    Normaly my adventures are very serious... i dont know what got into me..
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...>
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 7:44 AM
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: silly shiznit


    >
    >I just got an idea. What is the most ridiculous NPC you ever came up
    >with? And along those same lines, what is the most idiotic/stupid/silly
    >thing you (as a player) have ever gotten an NPC to do?
    >
    >Here's mine;
    >
    >silly NPCS; well, it's a toss-up between Speedy, the Sumo Turtle,
    >Ming-Ming the Kabaddi Panda Sensei, and Habeeb, a two-foot-tall hustler
    >with a four-foot turban. The players hired Habeeb to take them to a
    >temple out in the jungles of Bangladesh. Every time they asked him if
    >he was qualified to be their guide, he would inflate the number of times
    >he'd been to the temple, so by the time they got there, he was assuring
    >them that, with his over 200 trips to the temple, he would guide them
    >there safely.
    >
    >Speedy was pretty damn funny in his own right, in a dry sort of way. A
    >four-foot turtle in a mawashi, Speedy had a Dex of 1 but used Zen No
    >Mind to simply "be", chucking his opponents around with Tearing Bite
    >(he'd roll back onto his shell to flip them) or using his head like a
    >battering ram. Naturally, he had Maka Wara, and pulled his head into
    >his shell to "block". Strangely enough, it worked. One of the team's
    >most powerful fighters was so confused he fought a Draw against the big
    >turtle.
    >
    >Speedy don't talk none too fast, either. And as it was the team bimbo's
    >first encounter with an animal hybrid, the scene was even more funny
    >than it could have been.
    >"Well... there's one thing I learned about... being a Street Fighter...
    >*long pause*
    >Do you... want to hear about it?"
    >
    >Sadly, the team has yet to meet Ming-Ming, but the concept there is that
    >of an enormous Panda with Zen No Mind, Yoga Teleport, and lots of
    >high-powered, ranged Focus attacks. Just sits there munching on bamboo
    >until someone gets hostile, then hucks an un-dodgeable Zenned Acid
    >Breath blast.
    >
    >The funniest thing we ever got an NPC to do was, strangely enough, Bison
    >himself. Well, it wasn't that funny, but you gotta picture it. :) The
    >team was on Mriganka trying to rescue Chun Li, and to do so they posed
    >as fighters entering one of Bison's tournaments. They find out too late
    >that the tournament was for fighters about double their rank and up
    >(they were 2 and 3, the tourney was for 5-10). So anyways, one of my
    >players is Jin, a Tai Kwan Leep stylist with no arms. (Don't ask).
    >Since the team had been calling him "Handy" for most of the chronicle,
    >that was the alias he used to sign himself up for the tournament as. As
    >a result, when Bison was introducing the participants, having them stand
    >up and be addressed by the name on the leaderboard, Jin got Bison to
    >call him "Handy".
    >
    >For some reason the team thought that was hysterically funny. I wonder
    >about them sometimes.
    >
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3387 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    Mine suck. :p

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
    Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:42 AM
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


    --- aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
    wrote:
    > Hry that's an interesting idea. What would be the
    > right up for a sonic elementalist? And what manuvers
    > would he have?

    *shrugs* Beats me, the system I use is very different from the standard
    SF:STG system. Basicaly I set it up as a merit (if you don't know the
    Merits/Flaws system, a merit is an additional ability that you buy with
    freebie points).

    But if you're interested, here's my write up:


    The Power (6 pts.)

    There are as many ways of calling forth the Power as there are facets of
    the Power itself. The Power is neither heat nor cold, light nor
    darkness,
    earthly nor spiritual. It embodies all these traits, and every other
    trait
    in existence; which trait it manifests depends upon the skill and
    natural
    inclinations of the caller. The Power encompasses all there is, and is
    therefore everything. It is a rare mortal indeed who has the potential
    to
    channel a single grain of the Power. Those who can usually do so by
    finding and reinforcing an affinity for one particular element. I do not
    speak of the meaningless "elements" that scientists like my younger
    brother blather about, but the true elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water,
    and
    the many derivatives thereof, such as Stone, Wind, Light...or Ice.

    -- Sub-Zero, The Coming of Winter

    This was the Elemental Background in the PG. Several World Warriors have
    this merit in one form or another, examples include Charlie, Dee Jay,
    Guile (Sound), Blanka (Lightning or Electricity), and Dhalsim (Fire).
    Virtually, anything naturally occurring in nature can be the focus of
    the
    Power. Some additional Examples include Magma, Poison, Darkness, Cold,
    Metal, Magnetism, Acid, Mud, Smoke, and anything else you or your
    players
    can come up with. The only things that should definitely be disallowed
    are
    Hard Radiation, Magic (If you use it), Psionics (If you use it), and Chi

    Every Element has it's opposite, Water has Fire, Electricity has
    Magnetism, Magma has Ice, etc. However, not all of these have an obvious
    opposite. (Can anyone off the top of their heads tell me what the
    opposite
    of Diamond is?) In cases like this, and if your players are like mine
    you
    will encounter them, you must decide whether the power is matter of
    energy. If it's matter, then chances are you can relate it to one or two
    of the original four elements (Air, Earth, Fire, and Water). You then
    choose an
    appropriate component from it's opposite. For example: Diamonds are part
    of the earth. The Earth's opposite is air. I choose Clouds to be it's
    opposite). If the Element is Energy then you must choose another energy
    to
    be it's opposite. For Example: Sound is an energy, so I choose Gravity
    to
    be it's opposite. However, some elements don't apply to the following
    guidelines (Poison, for example). In cases like this, you can pick a
    random element to be it's opposite. It may not make sense, but as long
    as
    it's consistent it shouldn't affect game balance.

    Fireball, Improved fireball, etc. are not the result of the Element
    Fire.
    They are blasts of pure Chi and are not true fire.

    The Power gives partial immunity to your chosen element. When soaking
    damage from your element add your Focus Technique to your soak. However,
    you take additional damage from your opposite element. Subtract three
    successes from your soak roll. The Element chosen by the fighter will
    be
    evident when using any maneuver with a focus requirement, from the Flash
    Kick, to the Stunning Shout, to the Improved Fireball. Example: a
    Lightning fighter learns fireball maneuver, instead of throwing a Chi
    blast at his opponent, he throws Ball Lightning.

    By far the biggest advantage that the wielders of The Power have is
    their
    ability to adapt their power to rapidly changing circumstances. Masters
    of
    The Power can invent new maneuvers on the spot for one power point (four
    experience points) more than the maeuver's cost.

    Example: Dhalsim is outside of a burning building when he hears cries
    for
    help inside. After teleporting in, he sees ten people trapped by the
    flames. Realizing that he can't teleport so many people at once, he
    reaches inside himself and finds the fiery core of his life essence. He
    then reaches even deeper and finds the tiny core of negative energy with
    in his life force. He draws it out, shapes it and gives it strength,
    creating a path through the flames.

    In game terms, Dhalsim's player spent 4 experience points to create a
    new
    maneuver, Suppress Flame.



    Incidently, if you can find The Comming of Winter on the net, take the
    time to read it. It's the best MK fanfic on the web, and I've read more
    than a few.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3388 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Friendly "Fight" Four: Gokiwa vs Wing Sho
    This time Gokiwa (Chris Hoffmann) will fight against the mysterious Wing
    Sho the guy use a Crow
    mask over his face, thanks a everybody for read this and I say it before
    but I say again I make
    some mistakes but with help from people of this list (thanks Mike
    Morgado) I will improve my
    concern about moves and tatics and make this game better for all persons
    who send me fighters, I
    ask wait a litle longer because more fighters are needed, for now I
    continue make this test
    fights if any person wants enter in Gateway Tournament or make test
    fights email me
    (rinaldo@...) and send me your fighter you can challenge my
    fighters or fighter from
    other players. But now here goes the fight good luck Gokiwa (Chris
    Hoffmann)

    Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: Chris Hoffmann.
    Quote before fight: ......
    Appearance: A typical Japanese teenager in a dingy Gi. Look closer and
    you'll see the vacant look in his eyes, the almost invisible grimance of

    pain on his face, and how he cluches his stomach like something has been

    riped from it.

    Vs

    Wing Sho style: Majestic Crow Kung Fu Country: China Player: Npc.
    Quote Before fight: I must honor the Crow style nothing personal.
    Appearence: A dark long red hair but in horse tail style guy with a
    white Kung fu vest and a Crow
    mask over his face and a Yin/Yang symbols in your vest (Back) 6’0” 160
    Lbs.

    Arena: Hong Kong park with people looking and some old guys maybe Kung
    fu master looking too.

    Fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fight starts:

    Move 1: Gokiwa move 1 and make Dragon punch but only air and Wing Sho
    blocks.
    Move 2: Wing Sho try a Crow Talon´s but grabs nothing.
    Move 3: Gokiwa make a jab and Wing Sho block and receive: 2 points of
    damage.
    Move 4: Gokiwa was ready to make his Dragon punch but Crow Talon´s from
    Wing Sho is more faster
    Gokiwa recives: 3 points of damage. Gokiwa break susteinted hold and now
    free.
    Move 5: Gokiwa retreat 3 hexes and Wing Sho move 1 hex and make a Double
    Hit Kick but hit only
    the air.
    Move 6: Wing Sho Blocks for a double hit kick combo and Gokiwa make jab
    for his combo Wing Sho
    receive: 3 points of damage and begin his combo for dragon punch.
    Move 7: Wing Sho make a Double Hit Kick and Gokiwa receive: 1 point and
    2 point of damage and
    Gokiwa make Dragon Punch and Wing Sho receive: 5 points of damage and
    Knock out.
    Gokiwa Throws his head back and screams in pain.
    This end of fight Gokiwa wins by Knock out, good fight and tatics Chris
    Hoffmann Wing Sho maybe
    stays with Headache for at last two weaks (Dammit with that Crow Talon´s
    give more damage), but
    it´s end and you´re the winner see you next bout, with someone have a
    fighter with me and want
    challenge someone just email me and of course write the name of fighter
    from this list or
    challenge the other players:

    Players:

    Orient Group:

    Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate (Chris Hoffmann) Coutry: Japan.
    Genryu-kai style: Shotokan Karate Fire elemental (SlpStck@...)
    Coutry: Japan
    Howard Ng style: Muay Tai (Donald McBain) Coutry: Japan.

    Ocidental Group:

    Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Coutry: Usa.
    Mr. Military style: Special Forces (Scott Pittman) Country: Usa

    Npcs:

    Oriental Group:

    Ty Hong style: Muay Tai (Npc) Country: Thailand.
    Al Salen style: Baraqah (Npc) Coutry: Marroco.
    Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Coutry: Poland.
    Tzar Gregorovich style: Wrestiling (Npc) Coutry: Hungary.
    Wing Sho style: Majestic Crow Kung Fu (Npc): China

    Ocidental Group:

    Thomas Watson style: Boxing (Npc) Country: Wales.
    François style: Savate (Npc) Coutry: France.
    Gauss style: Raufen (Npc) Coutry: Germany.
    O´Connor style: Special Forces (Npc) Coutry: North Ireland.
    Julian Del Solar III: Reconquista (Npc) Country: Spain.
    Lars style: Glimae (Npc) Coutry: Sweden.
    Goliath style: Pankration (Npc) Coutry: Greece.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3389 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: "Friendly" Fight Five: Gokiwa vs Genryu-Kai
    Well Chris Hoffmann, Gokiwa have no time to rest you want to fight
    against Genryu-Kai I ask to
    SlpStck@... and he agree with this fight now relax enjoy the show.
    And for other players Chris Krug Iron, J.Scot Pittman and Donald Mcbain,
    with any of them want
    challenge someone just e-mail me and choice a fighter from challenge
    list, when I start
    tournament and your fighters gain some experience (exp points) your
    fighter will improve. Who is
    outside this and want in just send me a mail (rinaldo@...) and
    challenge someone, when I
    have a good number of fighters I will start the tournament.

    But let´s go to today fight:

    Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: Chris Hoffmann.
    Quote before fight: ......

    Appearance: A typical Japanese teenager in a dingy Gi. Look closer and
    you'll see the vacant look in his eyes, the almost invisible grimance of

    pain on his face, and how he cluches his stomach like something has been

    riped from it.

    Vs

    Genryu-Kai- Fire elemental style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player:
    SlpStck@...
    Quote before fight: Preforms a short kata, and flashes a quick fire
    burst from his
    hands.

    Appearance: He don´t send it to me yet but by the name I belive he is a
    japanese guy, and
    maybe he dresses a shotokan uniform.

    Arena: Well the ancient place of Gouken dojo will serve nobody is near
    the only watcher is the
    wind and rocks.

    The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the ring bells and fight
    starts.

    Move 1: Genryu-Kai move 1 hex and make a short kick but hit nothing
    Gokiwa moves 1 hex and make a
    Drangon punch but hit only air.
    Move 2: Genryu-Kai Move 1 hex and make a jab-flaming fist but no hit,
    Gokiwa don´t move and
    blocks.
    Move 3: Gokiwa move 1 and make a jab punch for his combo Genryu-Kai
    receive: 2 points of damage.
    Move 4: Gokiwa make Dragon punch and Genryu-Kai blocks and receive:10
    points of damage and Knock
    out.

    End of fight Gokiwa throws his head back and screams in pain

    Oh, my god that Dragon punch hurts lot good time to retire my boxer from
    the front of ring, well
    Chris this second win in the same day congratulations, keep going.
    See you next bout.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3390 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament: Gokiwa vs Genryu
    Well Chris Hoffmann, Gokiwa have no time to rest you want to fight against Genryu-Kai I ask to
    SlpStck@... and he agree with this fight now relax enjoy the show.
    And for other players Chris Krug Iron, J.Scot Pittman and Donald Mcbain, with any of them want
    challenge someone just e-mail me and choice a fighter from challenge list, when I start
    tournament and your fighters gain some experience (exp points) your fighter will improve. Who is
    outside this and want in just send me a mail (rinaldo@...) and challenge someone, when I
    have a good number of fighters I will start the tournament.

    But let´s go to today fight:

    Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: Chris Hoffmann.
    Quote before fight: ......

    Appearance: A typical Japanese teenager in a dingy Gi. Look closer and
    you'll see the vacant look in his eyes, the almost invisible grimance of
    pain on his face, and how he cluches his stomach like something has been
    riped from it.

    Vs

    Genryu-Kai- Fire elemental style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: SlpStck@...
    Quote before fight: Preforms a short kata, and flashes a quick fire burst from his
    hands.

    Appearance: He don´t send it to me yet but by the name I belive he is a japanese guy, and
    maybe he dresses a shotokan uniform.

    Arena: Well the ancient place of Gouken dojo will serve nobody is near the only watcher is the
    wind and rocks.

    The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the ring bells and fight starts.

    Move 1: Genryu-Kai move 1 hex and make a short kick but hit nothing Gokiwa moves 1 hex and make a
    Drangon punch but hit only air.
    Move 2: Genryu-Kai Move 1 hex and make a jab-flaming fist but no hit, Gokiwa don´t move and
    blocks.
    Move 3: Gokiwa move 1 and make a jab punch for his combo Genryu-Kai receive: 2 points of damage.
    Move 4: Gokiwa make Dragon punch and Genryu-Kai blocks and receive:10 points of damage and Knock
    out.

    End of fight Gokiwa throws his head back and screams in pain

    Oh, my god that Dragon punch hurts lot good time to retire my boxer from the front of ring, well
    Chris this second win in the same day congratulations, keep going.
    See you next bout.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3391 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
    On this list just read for the "Friendly" fight emails and just email me when a
    doubt appear.

    "J. Scott Pittman" wrote:

    > Here he is... will you post battles on the streetfighter mail or somewhere
    > else?
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 4:57 AM
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
    >
    > >Just send it to my email (rinaldo@...). It´s Rank 1 fighter no
    > >merit or flaws but extra backgrounds like elementals, animal hybrid or
    > >cyborgs are valid you can use that backgrounds.
    > >A important thing send too his origin country and tatics (ten moves) and if
    > >you want a winning quote (optional) his appearance (just for others players
    > >see how he´s like), history (optional) , picture (optional).
    > >Note: ten moves: are tatic or estrategy your fighter will use a simple
    > >example:
    > >
    > >Move 1: jab
    > >Move 2: Block
    > >Move 3: Hurricane kick for combo (Hurricane kick for Dragon punch)
    > >Move 4: Dragon punch
    > >Move 5: Block
    > >Move 6: Jab
    > >Move 7: Block
    > >Move 8: Hurricane kick for combo
    > >Move 9: Dragon punch
    > >Move 10: Roundhouse kick.
    > >
    > >"J. Scott Pittman" wrote:
    > >
    > >> where do i send my fighter for these games?
    > >> -----Original Message-----
    > >> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
    > >> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > >> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 3:45 AM
    > >> Subject: [streetfighter] The Third "Friendly" Blaise vs Kozminski
    > >>
    > >> >This the third fight of this series of friendly fights, while I wait
    > >> >more people (Need at last more 6 and maximum 9) because I put some Npc
    > >> >fighters for players receive some exp. Well this going to a great match,
    > >> >good luck for Blaise (Chris Krug-Iron). With someone want to play just
    > >> >send me a fighter. With origin country, a winning quote and tatics (ten
    > >> >moves).
    > >> >
    > >> >Kozminski style: Tai chi Ch’uan (Npc) Country: Poland.
    > >> >Appearence: A long blond hair guy with a red and gold chinese tunic
    > >> >with typical shoes, blue eyes and white skin.
    > >> > Vs
    > >> >
    > >> >Blaise style: Kung Fu (Chris Krug-Iron) Country: U.S.A.
    > >> >Appearence: A young man in his twenties. About 5 foot 9 inches tall,
    > >> >weighs about 160 pounds. Of Caucasian descent, well-built, with
    > >> >short dark red hair and grey eyes. Wears a black denim jacket over a
    > >> >dark red t-shirt, black jeans, and biker boots with spurs.
    > >> >Arena: A old gym, with many people looking.
    > >> >
    > >> >The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the bell rings and fights
    > >> >starts:
    > >> >
    > >> >Move 1: Kozminski blocks and Blaise hit a strong punch damage but no
    > >> >damage.
    > >> >Move 2: Kozminski try a stunning shout but Blaise hit him before with a
    > >> >short kick and Kozminski receive 1 point of damage and Blaise start a
    > >> >combo.
    > >> >Move 3: Blaise hit Kozminski with Double hit kick before a wrongl try of
    > >> >pin from Kozminski and the polish receive: 1 point damage.
    > >> >Move 4: Kozminski Blocks and Blaise make a crouching foward kick
    > >> >Kozminski receive: 2 points of damage.
    > >> >Move 5: Blaise blocks and Kozminski hit a stunning shout fot his combo
    > >> >hit and Blaise stuns!!!
    > >> >Move 6: Kozminski make a pin and it´s a susteind hold Blaise receive: 4
    > >> >points of damage and still stun!!!
    > >> >Move 7: Kozminski continue the pin and Blaise receive: no damage.
    > >> >Move 8: Blaise recovers from stun and break the susteind hold, now he
    > >> >free, Kozminski going back both fighters block at this turn.
    > >> >Move 9: Kozminski try a pin but Jumping roundhouse kick from Blaise hit
    > >> >him first Kozminski receive: 4 points of damage and stuns!!!
    > >> >Move 10: Blaise hit a power uppercut and Kozminski receive: 3 points of
    > >> >damage and he knock out.
    > >> >
    > >> >Blaise helps Kozminsk to stand up and then calmly walks away.
    > >> >No winning quote from Blaise:
    > >> >
    > >> >It´s over folks Blaise wins for Knock out, good Tatic Chris Krug-Iron
    > >> >see you next bout.
    > >> >And remember when I have a good number of fighters I will start the
    > >> >tournament.
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3392 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Elementalists.
    Ok.. Turn for Info on these elementalists.
    Being and elemental and haveing the points put into your backgournd makes
    you different. Spceial. Unique.....even from the othere SF'ers. Being an
    elementalist is more that just being able to throw balls of fire, you have
    to be in tune with nature; Particularly your chosen element. Dhalsim
    addmitedly can throw fireballs, as can Ryu. But does that make them
    elementalists? Are they are one with the nature of fire? No....Ryu just has
    great control over his chi <As does yoga-man> and Dhalsim like supre hot
    curry =)
    Both ryu and dhalsim are Street fighter, and Super heros to an extent, but
    niether is set "apart".

    Blanka comes a lot closer to being attuned to electricity, but I dont' think
    that that is what WW had in mind when they created them.
    He's a mutatnt, Not a monkey hybrid, nor a 'lectric elemental.

    Gill is the first person to seem to be a TRUE elementalist. Even if he
    doesn't allways have on elemental skin.,
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3393 From: J. Scott Pittman Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-
    I will challenge Chris to a match
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    From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:17 PM
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway
    Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-Kai.


    >
    >Well Chris Hoffmann, Gokiwa have no time to rest you want to fight against
    Genryu-Kai I ask to
    >SlpStck@... and he agree with this fight now relax enjoy the show.
    >And for other players Chris Krug Iron, J.Scot Pittman and Donald Mcbain,
    with any of them want
    >challenge someone just e-mail me and choice a fighter from challenge list,
    when I start
    >tournament and your fighters gain some experience (exp points) your fighter
    will improve. Who is
    >outside this and want in just send me a mail (rinaldo@...) and
    challenge someone, when I
    >have a good number of fighters I will start the tournament.
    >
    >But let´s go to today fight:
    >
    >Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: Chris Hoffmann.
    >Quote before fight: ......
    >
    >Appearance: A typical Japanese teenager in a dingy Gi. Look closer and
    >you'll see the vacant look in his eyes, the almost invisible grimance of
    >pain on his face, and how he cluches his stomach like something has been
    >riped from it.
    >
    > Vs
    >
    >Genryu-Kai- Fire elemental style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player:
    SlpStck@...
    >Quote before fight: Preforms a short kata, and flashes a quick fire burst
    from his
    >hands.
    >
    >Appearance: He don´t send it to me yet but by the name I belive he is a
    japanese guy, and
    >maybe he dresses a shotokan uniform.
    >
    >Arena: Well the ancient place of Gouken dojo will serve nobody is near the
    only watcher is the
    >wind and rocks.
    >
    >The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the ring bells and fight starts.
    >
    >Move 1: Genryu-Kai move 1 hex and make a short kick but hit nothing Gokiwa
    moves 1 hex and make a
    >Drangon punch but hit only air.
    >Move 2: Genryu-Kai Move 1 hex and make a jab-flaming fist but no hit,
    Gokiwa don´t move and
    >blocks.
    >Move 3: Gokiwa move 1 and make a jab punch for his combo Genryu-Kai
    receive: 2 points of damage.
    >Move 4: Gokiwa make Dragon punch and Genryu-Kai blocks and receive:10
    points of damage and Knock
    >out.
    >
    >End of fight Gokiwa throws his head back and screams in pain
    >
    >Oh, my god that Dragon punch hurts lot good time to retire my boxer from
    the front of ring, well
    >Chris this second win in the same day congratulations, keep going.
    >See you next bout.
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3394 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Rank system
    There's a whole lot of difference between all these different concepts that
    are going around. These definitions all pretain to the RPG.
    Please correct me if I err.




    Street Fighter:
    Anyone who competes on the SF circut.

    Circut:
    An orginized classification of fighters, that record the record of each
    fighter. A fight must be "On the circut" to alter your record: I.E. a fight
    with a alley tough won't change your rank.

    Rank:
    Not a factor that determines the capability of a fighter: merely an
    orginization of the fighters on the Circut by RECORD!
    Example: A SF that is a ninjitsu master, and has trained all his life is a
    great figher. However he does not SF often. As a result he is rank 2. It
    does not mean he is weaker than a rank 8, just that he does not have the
    fighting record of the other fighters. This explaines characters like Akuma,
    or Ravana that don't have rank, but are still badly powerful. The WW mearly
    have the best RECORDS of any other fighters.

    Division:
    Fragmentations of the SF Circut; There are 4 primary Division:
    Tradishonal, Duelist, Freestyle, World Warrior. Every time a
    fighter decides to enter a Division, thier Record/Rank is Zeroed out, and
    reset. The exception is the World Warrior Division. The WW division doens't
    have it's own rank; the fighter merely keeps that rank/Record from thier
    home Division. To be a World Warrior you must achive rank 9 or 10, OR Defeat
    a WW in combat.

    Honor:
    How much respect your name holds, with those in the Street Fighting
    Circut.

    Glory:
    How well known you are within the Circut <Primarily fighters, managers>

    Fame:
    How well you are known OUTSIDE the SF circut.




    As far as outsiders challenging Fighters in teh World Warrior Division, this
    is up for grabs. Generaly WW only fight those within thier division.
    Occasionaly they will fight others that show great promise: For GM's, this
    is based mainly on Renown <Honor/Glory> and little on rank. Rank does play a
    part, but that doesn't mean that a WW wouldn't fight Akuma <if he was well
    known by then> for fear of losing renown for challengeing a rank 0 fighter.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3395 From: Azathoth05@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Elementalists.
    I've gotta agree. The fireballs represent the spirit of their creator, and
    can take many forms, just because it looks like fire doesn't mean it is, it
    just reflects the personality of the caster. Dhalsim does not "sense fire"
    or receive extra soak vs. fire, like a true fire elemental. He has simply
    mastered his inner chi. Personally the Elemental background is one of the
    few in Players Companion that I feel are not imbalancing, making it a six
    point merit is way too expensive. Just like any character with the ice blast
    power is not an ice elemental, throwing a fireball or yoga flame or sonic
    boom etc. doesn't mean you're more attuned to fire or sound. Personally I've
    opened up Yoga flame to other powers-in fact, I've used maneuvers as entirely
    different manuvears, just keeping the modifiers to keep game balance. For
    instance I let wu shu players take Yoga Flame but it becomne a super fireball
    field or whatever Chun Li's super meter move is when she creates the big blue
    fireball looking type dome-you all know what I'm referring to i'm sure even
    though I forget what it's called right now-I mean, big wall of Chi, stays up
    for a while, she has to be standing still to do it... it's the same damn
    move, just looks different because her chi reflects differently than
    Dhalsim's-besides, it makes for unique manuevers without making up new
    gamebalancing ones. For instance one of my players uses Hyper Fist, but
    while the modifiers and stats are the same, it looks completely different
    from an estetic point of view-when he does his hyper fist (and shouts
    "HYPPERR FIIISSSTTT!!! in a bad Japanese accent) his hand ignites from the
    speed of the attack and burns his glove off. Dragon punch you say? No, it
    can't dodge projectiles. It just looks different for game flavor, it doesn't
    affect the mechanics or make it unbalancing, oh and he's not a fire elemental
    either, the flames are just an effect to make him look cool. 'Nuff said.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3396 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
    >WWF wrestling is fake.

    Depends on what you mean by fake. I read somewhere that 85% (on the
    average) of the injuries the wrestlers supposidly suffer are real.
    Besides, to quote Jessie 'The Body' Ventura: "How do you fake a body
    slam?"

    Remember, it's just like ballet. It's known how it's going to end, but
    you still have to do the work to get there.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3397 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: silly shiznit
    > I just got an idea. What is the most ridiculous NPC you ever came up
    > with? And along those same lines, what is the most idiotic/stupid/silly
    > thing you (as a player) have ever gotten an NPC to do?


    I don't know...most of my ZANNY story's come from our first chronical, The
    MUARADURES.
    The NPC team "Homicidal Maniacs" were pretty funky, as they tended to fight
    drunk, and usualy would bring things like chainsaws into the ring. I've also
    had the team: "Candycanes". Each of the three 4 foot tall kids wore body
    armour that was brightly colored <like somethign out of anime> even though
    they were little kids on the out side, each one had a 7 in one of the Phys
    Atts.
    My own PET NPC was very far fetched, as his name was TERROR. I never really
    distinguished, but he appeard to be a 16ft tall Allosaurs hybrid, the
    darkest Mightnight blue/black, with massive body armor. He lived in the
    jungle with blanka.

    There's also Ahbubu..he was a NY cabby, from India... His nick name was
    BOOBY!
    he had an 8 in drive, so most of the time he would stear with his feet
    chanting 'abudabuda-buuuuda! abudabuda-buuuuda! "

    I've been a GM so long that I can hardly remeber any of the stuff I've made
    an NPC do. Your point about Bison, does remind me of a time where we were
    searching around Mriganka <I don't ever remeber WHY!> and at some point, I
    botched a Drive roll, and turned a steam roller on that went about it's
    merry way, smashing down walls. Much later on, when the team finnaly got
    surrounded and bison confonts them in the lower levels, the entire room
    started to Shake, and finnaly BOOM! The steamroller busted thru a wall and
    Ran over the opposition.!
    =)
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3398 From: Andy Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: World Warriors & Stuff
    Quite a letter...lets see what coments i have.



    > Advancing the World Warriors: Yeah, we usually give them about 1/2 of
    > the XP we earn. This way, they advance, & by the time you're ready to
    > fight them, they've got a few new tricks up their sleves you weren't
    > ready for. Plus, what's the chalenge in beating a stagnant character.
    > Cool NPCs & certian Team rivals usally get about 75% of our XP, & so
    > on... Keeps the game interesting & all that. "Ryu did a what????!"


    It's funny.....at first I was decrying everyone for altering the
    stats/upgradeing the WW'ers....then I rememebered I'm just as guilty. I made
    changes to ALL the World Warriors, to make them more accurate to the
    Vid-games, and as a result they are alot tougher.

    Things like Giving vega an 8 in Dex and Athl. and giving ken Knee
    basher.....Funny.



    > Rank & Power levels... Okay, back to the whole Akuma example. I find
    > it hard to believe Akuma would ever enter a low-ranking tournament,
    > just so he could gain enough rank to challenge the world warriors... I
    > mean, let's face it, he's going to fight you, whether you accept the
    > challenge or not. Now, if there's a few spectators who follow the
    > circuit who see the fight, suddenly he's a ranked fighter, right?

    Don't worry about AKUMA!! He's not on the circut, nor does he desire to be
    on the circut. As a result his possible rank is irrelevent. The story below,
    however, is a little differnt.



    > There's a big disparity between what a character SHOULD be ranked, &
    > his actual power level. Suppose for a second that a rift opened up
    > between the SF world & the Mortal Kombat world, & all of the MK
    > characters suddenly ended up here as well. They'd all be classified as
    > rank 1 fighters, but they sure as hell dont' belong in a rank one
    > tournament, & any World Warrior would have a hard time not looking like
    > a coward if he refused to fight one, because they don't have a high
    > enough rank.

    This holds some ground, especialy with me... I did the whole protal opening
    thing, so that i coudl use the MK/Killer instinc guys as some power house
    NPC's. In my adventures, however, they are mid-carders. Some of them are
    rank 2-5....otheres Don't yet HAVE a rank. Just because one doesn't hold
    rank, doesn't mean you can't challenge a WW. Anyone can challenge a WW,
    however they won't take you seriously unless they've heard of you <have a
    lot of GLory> they have the uttmost respect of you <have lot of honor> or
    you've proven yourself in battle <have a high record: e.g. rank 8>. This is
    all up to the GM of course; If you want to get your PC's as World Warriors,
    then have DJ feel nice, and let the character have a fight. However if you
    want the WW to be feared, and reveared <like me> then make them hard to
    approach/find..... kinda like Idols to the other fighters.


    > Oh, 'nother question for the group... this one's pretty long cuz it's
    > got too much background. My 1st charcter wasn't a Street Fighter, he
    > was a ring doctor who hooked up w/ the PCs, & ended up becoming the
    > team manager. Make a long story short, he hung around the team so
    > much, they eventually taught him how to fight. In fact, he eventually
    > maxed out his techniques (solid 5's), although he still wasn't much of
    > a fighter compared to the rest of the team, they were all rank 7-9 by
    > then....
    >
    > Anyway, In one of the 1st PC vs. World Warrior Fights, the fight went
    > VERY badly for the PC, & he ended up getting killed (accidently?) by
    > Vega at the end of the 3rd fight. Naturally, my character swore
    > vengance, & challenged Vega on the spot. Vega refused, because, I was
    > an unranked nobody, although I was probably about as powerful as a rank
    > 5 or 6 fighter. So, how was I supposed to go about acquiring rank???
    > No rank 5 or 6 fighter would accept my challenge, b/c I was a no-body,
    > & It was totally unfair for me to fight at the rank 1 level. Now, keep
    > in mind, this character was the ultamate goody-goody for most of his
    > life, so beating rank 1's senseless went against every bone in his
    > body, but that was the only path the GM seemed willing to send me
    > down... Anyway, the final result was the character took a huge honor
    > loss (self-inflicted, the GM didn't see what I was whining about) &
    > Sammy ended up just rolling over a whole buncha NPCs in a tournament...

    I'm afraind that I agree with your GM on this one. Even if you are a GREAT
    fighter, if you don't have the Renown to be respected by other fighters,
    than you must stick within your ranks. If you've fought alot outside the
    ring, and stopped shadowloo, etc. chances are your character would get
    enough renown to be able to challenge people. However, if for some reason no
    one in the world has ever heard about you the you're stuck.

    > There has to be a better way to handle this, particually for characters
    > who refuse to fight low-level NPCs. Imagine the monk who has been
    > training in a secluded temple for 20 years, & then comes out into the
    > world & wants to prove himself, only to be told he has to go & beat 60
    > nobodies before he can to challenge anyone of his skill level. (Hmmm..
    > sounds alot like real-world boxing, no?)

    I quote myself from the letter here:
    Generelly the coditions to fight a fighter of much higher rank are : "...
    they won't take you seriously unless they've heard of you <have a lot of
    GLory> they have the uttmost respect of you <have lot of honor> or you've
    proven yourself in battle <have a high record: e.g. rank 8>."

    If you really are a fighter of great skill, than it shouldn't take you long
    at all to progress through the ranks and find your peers: one tournament of
    decent size could glean you 15+ fights at a time!!
    And if you put out open challege to anyone <especially if you're low rank>
    you can accumalate a lot of wins in no time.



    >I think I heard someone
    > sugest that a high ranking SF be called in & simply assign the
    > character a rank, but then that blows the record system away... How
    > many fights would he need to reach the next rank? I guess you could
    > simply assign the character a bunch of free wins, but if you do that,
    > every PC is going to want to walk that route... after all, there's no
    > chance of getting that accidental loss early in your carrer, & having
    > to struggle later on to get that good win/loss ratio for the higher
    > ranks...

    This of course woudl never happen, for the reasons we've talked about. The
    purpose of Rank is to catagorize by Record...not skill.


    > BTW, for you SF historians... I always heard that the tournament where
    > Ryu beat Sagat (SF1) was actually Ryu's first tournament fight ever.\

    I've hear this theory to...but i have no where to confirm it. It does sound
    possible, even if Unlikely.


    > Up
    > until then, he had been up on the mountain training w/ Ken & Gouken.
    > Which only made Sagat's loss that much more bitter, seeing as he lost
    > to a complete nobody. Well, I guess by the end of the tournament, Ryu
    > woulda had 10 fights, that makes him Rank 3, right?

    Well no... Remeber: If you fight a WW and win, you become a World Warrior.
    As to how he MIGHT enter the WW tournament, as a fresh fighter: the Retsu
    possition. Retsu WAS a world warrior, but he was also RYu and ken's Sparring
    partner <check out JSorochins@... letter>. Chances are that he'd beat
    Retsu and the continue on as a New comer.


    > Can anyone tell me what the bonus stages in SF3-2nd impact & 3rd Strike
    > are... I pretty damn well suck at both of them & they're hard to find
    > for me... I know in 2nd impact the 1st bonus stage is Sean throwing
    > beach balls at you & you have to parry them, & I know in 3rd Strike the
    > 1st bonus stage is destroying the SUV, but are there any beyond that...
    > Like I say, I really blow at SF3.... hehe

    You have it straight: First is Bust the SUV, and next is Parry the ball.
    Any more info just ring.

    > I seem to recall someone mentioning the requirements for World Warrior
    > status are rank 9/10 OR beating a World Warrior. So, what happens when
    > the rank 7 (we'll say 7, it's way more realistic than the rank 4
    > example from earlier) beats a World Warrior. How does he lose the
    > title... or does he? Someone else pointed out that it's a permanent
    > title... much like being a noble or what not.

    Being a World warrior is not haveing a title. The World Warrior form a
    Division, not a family of nobility. Althought all of the CURRENT WW'ers are
    all rank 9 and up...it doesn't meean that you couldn't have one that is rank
    7...
    However, the strnigencie that makes up the ranking system, would probably
    ensure that you next loss would me you drop out of the division. Since you
    aren't rank 9-10... a loss would be the equvilant of dropping a rank
    <although not in acctuallity>.
    So that means, untill you're rank 9-10 you are on PROBATION as a world
    warrior.
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3399 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists
    well, Fireball isn't an elemental power, like Fire Strike. It's
    available to anyone for 5 power points. :)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Hoffmann [mailto:staredown@...]
    Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 10:21 AM
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: World Warriors - was: Duelists


    --- SlpStck@... wrote:
    > In a message dated 11/11/99 2:04:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

    > true, but in the RPG book (which is what we're using, or should be, if
    > you're
    > playing the RPG) dhalsim has the same move for yoga fire that ryu has
    > for his
    > hado-ken. fireball. so, no, dhalsim is NOT a fire elemental. nor is
    > blanka an
    > elecricity elemental, nor guile a sonic elemental.

    *Shrugs* Fireball is one of the avilable maneuvers for Fire Elementals,
    so that really doesn't matter. Of course it's also one of the Kabaddi
    maneuvers, so it really depends on how you interpret it.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3400 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Elementalists.
    Everyone talks about elementals but I have some atention to plants, this a type
    of Hybrid or a elemental?

    Andy wrote:

    > Ok.. Turn for Info on these elementalists.
    > Being and elemental and haveing the points put into your backgournd makes
    > you different. Spceial. Unique.....even from the othere SF'ers. Being an
    > elementalist is more that just being able to throw balls of fire, you have
    > to be in tune with nature; Particularly your chosen element. Dhalsim
    > addmitedly can throw fireballs, as can Ryu. But does that make them
    > elementalists? Are they are one with the nature of fire? No....Ryu just has
    > great control over his chi <As does yoga-man> and Dhalsim like supre hot
    > curry =)
    > Both ryu and dhalsim are Street fighter, and Super heros to an extent, but
    > niether is set "apart".
    >
    > Blanka comes a lot closer to being attuned to electricity, but I dont' think
    > that that is what WW had in mind when they created them.
    > He's a mutatnt, Not a monkey hybrid, nor a 'lectric elemental.
    >
    > Gill is the first person to seem to be a TRUE elementalist. Even if he
    > doesn't allways have on elemental skin.,
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3401 From: Rinaldo Gambetta Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-
    I need ask to C.Hoffmann first but I think he will agree.

    "J. Scott Pittman" wrote:

    > I will challenge Chris to a match
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
    > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    > Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 3:17 PM
    > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Fifth "Friendly" Fight for Gateway
    > Tournament:Gokiwa vs Genryu-Kai.
    >
    > >
    > >Well Chris Hoffmann, Gokiwa have no time to rest you want to fight against
    > Genryu-Kai I ask to
    > >SlpStck@... and he agree with this fight now relax enjoy the show.
    > >And for other players Chris Krug Iron, J.Scot Pittman and Donald Mcbain,
    > with any of them want
    > >challenge someone just e-mail me and choice a fighter from challenge list,
    > when I start
    > >tournament and your fighters gain some experience (exp points) your fighter
    > will improve. Who is
    > >outside this and want in just send me a mail (rinaldo@...) and
    > challenge someone, when I
    > >have a good number of fighters I will start the tournament.
    > >
    > >But let´s go to today fight:
    > >
    > >Gokiwa style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player: Chris Hoffmann.
    > >Quote before fight: ......
    > >
    > >Appearance: A typical Japanese teenager in a dingy Gi. Look closer and
    > >you'll see the vacant look in his eyes, the almost invisible grimance of
    > >pain on his face, and how he cluches his stomach like something has been
    > >riped from it.
    > >
    > > Vs
    > >
    > >Genryu-Kai- Fire elemental style: Shotokan Karate Country: Japan Player:
    > SlpStck@...
    > >Quote before fight: Preforms a short kata, and flashes a quick fire burst
    > from his
    > >hands.
    > >
    > >Appearance: He don´t send it to me yet but by the name I belive he is a
    > japanese guy, and
    > >maybe he dresses a shotokan uniform.
    > >
    > >Arena: Well the ancient place of Gouken dojo will serve nobody is near the
    > only watcher is the
    > >wind and rocks.
    > >
    > >The fighters are 3 hexes from each other the ring bells and fight starts.
    > >
    > >Move 1: Genryu-Kai move 1 hex and make a short kick but hit nothing Gokiwa
    > moves 1 hex and make a
    > >Drangon punch but hit only air.
    > >Move 2: Genryu-Kai Move 1 hex and make a jab-flaming fist but no hit,
    > Gokiwa don´t move and
    > >blocks.
    > >Move 3: Gokiwa move 1 and make a jab punch for his combo Genryu-Kai
    > receive: 2 points of damage.
    > >Move 4: Gokiwa make Dragon punch and Genryu-Kai blocks and receive:10
    > points of damage and Knock
    > >out.
    > >
    > >End of fight Gokiwa throws his head back and screams in pain
    > >
    > >Oh, my god that Dragon punch hurts lot good time to retire my boxer from
    > the front of ring, well
    > >Chris this second win in the same day congratulations, keep going.
    > >See you next bout.
    > >
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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3402 From: Chris Hoffmann Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: silly shiznit
    --- Steve Karstensen <skarstensen@...> wrote:
    >
    > I just got an idea. What is the most ridiculous NPC you ever came up
    > with? And along those same lines, what is the most idiotic/stupid/silly
    > thing you (as a player) have ever gotten an NPC to do?

    Well, there was the What's New Dragon Hybrid I sent against a lady Water
    Elemental PC with an Appearance of 8. It was a short fight.

    If you don't know what the heck a What's New Dragon is, it's an insane
    wizard's experiment (although wether he was insane before or after the
    experient is unknown) that crossed a Russel Terrior, a dragon and a cow.
    It's fire breath destroyes all non living matter it hits but leaves living
    matter (like the PCs) unharmed.

    So the dragon breaths fire at the elemental, who imediately looses her
    fighting outfit, which was great fun for me and the others.

    Oh yeah, the What's New Dragon also reacts... interestingly with water.
    Every drop that hit one creats a perminant duplicate of the dragon.



    The funnyest thing a PC got an NPC to do was during the adventure in the
    Shadoloo sourcebook. Vega had captured the group and was raking his claws
    gently along the PC's throat and asking for his name in a soft voice,
    trying to intimidate him into giving up the info he wanted. I let the PC
    make a willpower roll with dif nine to resist (he got two successes, he
    had 10 willpower). The PC (who's name was Greg Hanz) answers in a very
    bad brittish pompus accent "Ignatious Percivil Freely"

    Vega looks at him and asks, "I. P. Freely?"



    I think you're right Steve, players are seriously messed up.

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    Group: streetfighter Message: 3403 From: ArkonDLoC@aol.com Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: silly shiznit
    In a message dated 11/12/1999 9:47:21 AM,
    skarstensen@... writes:

    <<
    I just got an idea. What is the most ridiculous NPC you ever came up
    with? And along those same lines, what is the most idiotic/stupid/silly
    thing you (as a player) have ever gotten an NPC to do? >>

    I don't usually go for weird (My players usually give me all the weirdness I
    can stomach...) but when I do I try to do it well...

    The most ridiculous NPC I ever used was a guest villien from the Tick:
    ::Clears throat:: THE EVIL MIDNIGHT BOMBER WHAT BOMBS AT MIDNIGHT!!!
    ::Drinks a glass of water::. He was trying to blow up a tournament at its
    hight to get in "Shadow-louie". Fortunatly they stopped him and saw him
    hauled off to jail, little do they realize that he shares a cell with the
    diabolical mastermind who blames them his greatest defeat....

    The most bizzare NPCs I ever came up with were for a WoD game: they had just
    snatched an artifact from a servant to a powerful Marauder (an insane,
    reality bending Mage) when their base was surrounded by 5 rabbits. When the
    werewolf tried to eat one, the rabbits went Crinos (although they were still
    cute). In Crinos form the Rabbits were all wearing Samurai Armor and holding
    Naginatas. When the PCs asked the inevitable "Who are you?" they first heard
    the line that made them laugh at first (since then it's become a respected,
    if not feared, battle-cry): "We are... THE NINJA BUNNIES OF DOOM!". Since
    that encounter the Ninja Bunny leader has been known as Scar, his master (the
    Marauder from earlier) recently altered him. Now he exists under SF
    rules.... ::sigh:: I can't wait for the next Ninja Bunny story: Save the
    Bunnies!

    As a PC I've never gotten (or even tried) to get an NPC to do something odd,
    the other PCs are a different matter...
    Group: streetfighter Message: 3404 From: Steve Karstensen Date: 11/12/1999
    Subject: Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)
     
    I don't know if anyone's actually stood in a professional wrestling ring, but they're nothing but big trampolines.  You can bodyslam someone all you want and they'll just bounce.
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Chris Hoffmann <staredown@...>
    To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
    Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 7:56 PM
    Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Mindless ramblings (Formerly Speed vs.Strength)

    >WWF wrestling is fake. 
    
    Depends on what you mean by fake.  I read somewhere that 85% (on the
    average) of the injuries the wrestlers supposidly suffer are real. 
    Besides, to quote Jessie 'The Body' Ventura: "How do you fake a body
    slam?"
    
    Remember, it's just like ballet.  It's known how it's going to end, but
    you still have to do the work to get there.
    
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