In a message dated 10/12/99 7:24:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
staredown@... writes:

<< <LI>It shouldn't have those goddamn pop-up windows (or a way around
them that's convenient for me and my viewers) >>

Er...there is a simple way around the pop up windows in geocities. Or are
you leaving geocities for other reasons?

In a message dated 10/12/99 12:13:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joespitt@... writes:

<< I likw the one-roll combat for streetfighter. makes combat fast and
furious.
There is no "automatic hit" in my game however. If you get no successes, or
botch a roll, it is concidered that you missed. Yes, this means that misses
are much less likely than in other storyteller games, but I would hate to
play an awesome fighter that missed all the time, lol. And you get that alot
with "to hit" rolls in Storyteller. >>

While I have respect for the other side on this point, I agree with you. One
thing I like about Street Fighter combat is the predictability of outcome. I
mean, if two characters do the the same thing twice, the result will be
pretty similar in both cases. For me, that makes the game a bit more
tactical. Should I go with the punch, because my punch is much faster than
his, or should I go with the grab, because if he goes with a block, my grab
should be able to mess him up. Of course, this is simply a matter of
personal preference.

> Oh, I agree absolutely. But, I have the easy side of this argument. All I
> have to show is what is _possible_, whereas you have to show what _would_
> happen. I mean, this whole thing started off with the post about the post
> apocalyptic campaign and whether it could really happen like that.

Quick return, I never said what would happen, That indicates some sort of
knowledge of the future, which of course neither one of us has.

I said I don't think it would happen that way, and stated what I think would
be more probable.

No definite about it.

I've watched every connections episode I could catch. (even the old ones on
BBC) A very good show. The only respected science-philosophy show that makes
statements mainstream science wouldn't.
Did I mention I was a Fortean?

;)
-- Chris B

There are enough differences to make me use it;

No cards- yeah I know they're fun, but there is more freedom of description
without them. Middle-High ranked system stats (1-10 or 1-20 or so) tend to
work better for individual characters. Whereas statistically vehicle combat
systems tend to work better with low range stats (1-5). The larger range
allows more precise definition of character ability.

Characters from the Vampire second edition basic book, for instance can only
have about 288 different characters possible. that means if you go to
Gen-Con with your Original Vampire character there would probably be about
52 other people with all the same stats/skills nature/demeanor, clan etc.

Also it has a more solid rolling system. Stats and skills become a little
more reliable with a roll and add system than a success system, especially
with a ones cancel successes rule.
Fuzion also allows a Storyguide to dial up or down the power levels of a
campaign, something people on the list have been asking about lately.

I love your TranzFuzion website, thanks for pointing it out.

-- Chris B


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>From: "Christian Conkle" <conkle@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 4:42 PM
>

> Fuzion, and the Martial Arts plug-in, is very similar to Streetfighter in
> many respects.
>
> In Street Fighter, you add your stat (1-5) to your skill (1-5) plus any
> modifiers, and roll that many dice. If any of your dice roll over 6 (or a
> difficulty), you succeed.
>
> In Fuzion (and all Interlock games), you add your stat (1-10) to your skill
> (1-10) plus any modifiers, and add the total to one die roll. If the grand
> total is over a difficulty number, you succeed.
>
> Maneuvers in both have modifiers to Initiative, to-hit, and damage. Styles
> work the same in both.
>
> Fuzion is very similar to the quick-and-dirty rules presented in the back of
> Street Fighter for use in big fights.
>
> For more information on Fuzion, check out my TranzFuzion website at
> http://www.mecha.com/~conkle/fuzion
> _________________________________________________
> Christian Conkle
> Web Developer - National Committee for Quality Assurance
> conkle@... - conkle@... - conkle@...
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>; <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 5:07 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>
>
>> I use a down powered Champions New Millennium. (I convert styles and
>> maneuvers to it's system. They are bought as powers and packages)
>>
>> Champions uses the Fuzion system, a combination of the Hero system
>> (original Champions) and Interlock (Cyberpunk, Mechton Z, Teenagers from
>> outer space.) The Fuzion system has been designed to simulate several
> anime
>> style genres. ( Bubblegum Crisis, Armoured Trooper Votoms ).
>> Fuzion was to be used for Usagi Yojimbo and Dragon Ball Z, but R.
> Talsorian
>> Games, has had financial problems lately.
>>
>> Still the system is perfect for Street Fighter, at least from my
> experience.
>>
>> -- Chris B
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:27 PM
>> >
>>
>> > what do you use to play street fighter if you dont use the storyteller
>> > system?
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>> > streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> > Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:25 PM
>> > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >
>> >
>> >>No argument about the storyteller dice system, that's why I don't use
> it.
>> >>
>> >>-- Chris B
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----------
>> >>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>> >>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:08 PM
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>> I likw the one-roll combat for streetfighter. makes combat fast and
>> > furious.
>> >>> There is no "automatic hit" in my game however. If you get no
> successes,
>> > or
>> >>> botch a roll, it is concidered that you missed. Yes, this means that
>> > misses
>> >>> are much less likely than in other storyteller games, but I would hate
> to
>> >>> play an awesome fighter that missed all the time, lol. And you get
> that
>> > alot
>> >>> with "to hit" rolls in Storyteller.
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>> >>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>> >>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:21 AM
>> >>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>One of the problems with Street Fighter is it's automatic hit, some of
>> >>> these
>> >>>>problems could be solved with an attack/defense roll.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-- Chris B
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----------
>> >>>>>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>> >>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >>>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 2:27 AM
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does
>> > say
>> >>>>> something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits.
> First
>> >>> of
>> >>>>> all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second
>> >>> move,
>> >>>>> THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three
>> >>> maneuvers
>> >>>>> then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus
> then
>> >>>>> doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with
> an
>> >>> NPC
>> >>>>> that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a
> couple
>> > of
>> >>>>> players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a
> little
>> >>>>> bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers
> in
>> >>>>> combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the
> main
>> >>>>> sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
>> >>>>> combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is
> extremely
>> >>>>> long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're
> the
>> >>>>> ST...what you say goes.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
>> >>>>>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >>>>>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
>> >>>>>>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have
> run
>> >>>>>>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
>> >>>>>>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy
>> > combo
>> >>>>>>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He
>> > wants
>> >>>>>>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole
> purpose
>> > of
>> >>>>>>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple
> manuvers,
>> >>> not
>> >>>>>>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this....
>> > anyone
>> >>>>>>have a verdict?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Andy.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>; streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 1:23 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas

Is it Ninpo Living and thinking as a Warrior? by Jack Hoban? - Another good Ninja philosophy book.
If not, could you send me the title and author? I'd like to read it.

-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:21 PM

hey folks, just thought I'd toss in my two cents on ninjas and Honor again, seeing as how I'm currently reading a book written by a fellow who studied under one of the last masters of the Togakure-Ryu ninjitsu school in Japan.
 
The ninja's philosophy with regards to fighting is very different from the honor put forth on the circuit, and this book shows that in great detail.  Eventually I'm going to do a full writeup on the style for SF Central, but for now, just take my word on the fact that any ninja PC who doesn't "hold back" and alter his philosophies to fit the honorable methods of the circuit will indeed take honor penalties for his actions.  I can go into further detail if you wish, but that's the bottom line.

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The one thing I love about Streetfighter, is that the damage and to hit is
combined to one roll. I hate when Im playing Vampire and I get this awesome
to hit roll and then roll absolute crap for damage.

Thanks

MikeM

><< I likw the one-roll combat for streetfighter. makes combat fast and
>furious.
> There is no "automatic hit" in my game however. If you get no successes,

or

> botch a roll, it is concidered that you missed. Yes, this means that

misses

> are much less likely than in other storyteller games, but I would hate to
> play an awesome fighter that missed all the time, lol. And you get that

alot

> with "to hit" rolls in Storyteller. >>
>
>While I have respect for the other side on this point, I agree with you.

One

>thing I like about Street Fighter combat is the predictability of outcome.

I

>mean, if two characters do the the same thing twice, the result will be
>pretty similar in both cases. For me, that makes the game a bit more
>tactical. Should I go with the punch, because my punch is much faster than
>his, or should I go with the grab, because if he goes with a block, my grab
>should be able to mess him up. Of course, this is simply a matter of
>personal preference.
>
>

Actually I thought a kevlar vest stopped the bullet from entering your body
and killing you. The impact could still knock you off your feet and possibly
break some ribs. A kevlar vest doesnt make the impact any less. It just
stops the bullet from peircing your skin. I believe that a knife can peirce
a kevlar vest however. So what I would do for a kevlar vest is just give
the guy one extra soak point.

MikeM
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 6:34 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.

>In a message dated 10/12/99 6:41:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>conkle@... writes:
>
><< HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was
> punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar
> provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows, but
> no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A

Dragon

> Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar! >>
>
>So you are saying a bullet hits with less force than a punch? My
>understanding was that kevlar protects against bullets because it spreads

the

>force of the impact over the whole kevlar area. Of course, this is hardly

my

>area of expertise, so I could be completely and utterly wrong. I did have

a

>kevlar helmet in the Army and I can attest that it would hurt like hell to
>punch it.
>
>
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OOOPS! It seems that I've been misinformed...oh, well. Thanks for the
clarification, dude. Later.

>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 02:19:54 -0700
>
>A dizzy maneuver can be two maneuvers long. See street fighter main
>rulebook - pg 132. There is an example of a two-maneuver dizzt combo on pg.
>133
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:28 PM
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>
>
> >About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say
> >something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First
>of
> >all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second
>move,
> >THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three
>maneuvers
> >then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then
> >doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an
>NPC
> >that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of
> >players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little
> >bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in
> >combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main
> >sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
> >combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely
> >long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the
> >ST...what you say goes.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
> >>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> >>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
> >>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
> >>
> >>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run
> >>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
> >>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy
>combo
> >>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants
> >>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of
> >>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers,
>not
> >>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this....
>anyone
> >>have a verdict?
> >>
> >>Andy.
> >>
> >>
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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:40:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
JSorochins@... writes:

>
> Fantasy Street Fighter - Much like D&D but the characters would all be
> fighters with new powers. You thought M. Bison was tough, wait till you
> take
> on the Deathknight. And there _was_ a Streetfighter type videogame based on
> D&D.
>

And golden ax, and another medieval game. The h2h fighter games have
covered a lot of genres.

everyone in my friend's game seems to look up to the unbelevibly powerful
vampire in the group (the storyteller's wife), cause she can do anything
they want (get firearms, heal them, cast any friggin spell on them, etc).
She has powers that are meant for the villans, as well as her own clans and
the powers of other clans. An example: I made up a vampire with no powers
except Celerity. I wanted to be the fastest character, known for his
unbelevible speed. Her character has all kinds of other powers (a rea list
man, you gotta see it), and shes quicker than my character, smarter than
him, and he's a doctor, and has a higher hummanity (cause she talks about
god all the time, but chopped off some guy's head she had already beaten,
and put one guy tied up in front of a mirror, slit his throat and let him
watch himself die. Granted these guys were murderers and rapists, but I
would have skipped the tourture part and mabye killed em' quick if at all.
And shes got a higher hummanity than my character. strange).
Grrrr... glad to have this mailing list to take out my fustrations on,
lol.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 1:40 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories

>Hang in there, I find that people eventually get tired of
>fight..fight..fight.
>Stick to your guns, come up with a better idea for a game (something they
>can't resist)
>In the meantime play whatever you want to play, hero or not. Just make sure
>that you make the character deep and interesting. ( One excellent

roleplayer

>in a game can inspire everyone, and encourage deeper character all around)
>
>-- Chris B
>
>
>----------
>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:42 PM
>>
>
>> I do run games, but not as often as I used to. This guy runs vampire and
>> lets everyone play really mean people, to say the least. I've pretty much
>> quit going over to the games, and when i do try I cant seem to get anyone
>> interested in moving the story along, they all want to go fight fight

fight

>> and start some trouble. Really weird. But as I want to run heroes and

this

>> guy lets them do whatever, it's hard to compete, because I suddenly seem
>> restrictive. So it's play with the nightmare Storyteller or not at all -

and

>> I do still play from time to time.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:32 PM
>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>>
>>
>>>Man, are other people in your group frustrated with this guy? Start your
>> own
>>>game and invite them to it. The other guy won't get to run another thing,
>>>until he smartens up. The same thing happened with me and the jerk of a

GM

>> I
>>>mentioned below. I was fair, He wasn't. The players made their choice.
>>>
>>>-- Chris B
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Horror Storyteller stories
>>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:12 PM
>>>>
>>>
>>>> My (only) local storyteller designs adventures with pre-set endings -
>> uggh.
>>>> I mean, i usualy have an ending in mind, but I don't enforce it if the
>>>> players are smart and out-think my villan's plans. We were playing a
>>>> non-storyteller game once, and he told me to roll 1d100, the lower, the
>>>> better, to run past this demon-thing.I used all my luck (a score in

that

>>>> system), and I rolled a one!!!! He said, oops, sorry, but you diddnt

get

>>>> past!!!! Gimme a break. If he never had plans on me making it past, he
>>>> should have just said "you can't get past". -sigh- Thats my
>>>> horror-Storyteller story
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>>>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:45 AM
>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>As a GM I've always worked from the perspective that I was a force of
>>>>>nature, not a god. Too many GMs feel that they are gods who can do as
>> they
>>>>>please, no matter what. They forget that characters should have free
>> will.
>>>>>
>>>>>I had one Game Master who scheduled the entire future timeline of our
>> game
>>>>>and would not let us deviate off of it, or change it with free choice

or

>>>>>action. Needless to say we dumped him pretty fast.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nowadays in our circle everyone has some say in the campaign and it
>> works.
>>>>>everyone is happy.
>>>>>
>>>>>-- Chris B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------
>>>>>>From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>>>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:34 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
>>>>>> that message was just more of a notification that it
>>>>>> just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
>>>>>> like to point out one very important fact when a
>>>>>> storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
>>>>>> to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
>>>>>> powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
>>>>>> moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
>>>>>> you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
>>>>>> storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
>>>>>> than once and it works out pretty well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
>>>>>>> there is no game. Piss off
>>>>>>> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
>>>>>>> one horse town. At least
>>>>>>> that's the way it works where I live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
>>>>>>> OPPRESSORS!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Chris B
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> >From: timothylpoole@...
>>>>>>> >To: streetfighter@...
>>>>>>> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>>>> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
>>>>>>> character by a
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I agree if the idea, but an armor isn´t like the famous trick of break stone
plates with the hands, in medieval times try punch an plate armor you only hurt
himself, all right the focus thing the mind superior the matter, I think this
isn´t working after all against for example in infantary suit I play gurps too
and for this system the whole thing har Damage Resistence equal 75, conversion
it for STF, and Ken flaming dragon punch, smiles and cross arms and say "don´t
pass donkey"...

Mike Morgado wrote:

> Actually I thought a kevlar vest stopped the bullet from entering your body
> and killing you. The impact could still knock you off your feet and possibly
> break some ribs. A kevlar vest doesnt make the impact any less. It just
> stops the bullet from peircing your skin. I believe that a knife can peirce
> a kevlar vest however. So what I would do for a kevlar vest is just give
> the guy one extra soak point.
>
> MikeM
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 6:34 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.
>
> >In a message dated 10/12/99 6:41:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> >conkle@... writes:
> >
> ><< HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was
> > punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar
> > provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows, but
> > no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A
> Dragon
> > Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar! >>
> >
> >So you are saying a bullet hits with less force than a punch? My
> >understanding was that kevlar protects against bullets because it spreads
> the
> >force of the impact over the whole kevlar area. Of course, this is hardly
> my
> >area of expertise, so I could be completely and utterly wrong. I did have
> a
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Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:35 PM

Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone have a verdict?
 
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About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move, THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the ST...what you say goes. >From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com> >Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid. >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400 > >Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run >amuck again. PLease tell me what you think: >One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo >at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants >Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of >making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not >a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone >have a verdict? > >Andy. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > ______________________________________________________

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Well not necessarily, remember that some black belts can crush cinderblock with a well focused punch and not hurt themselves. Street Fighter is supposed to be about super martial artists, who probably smash cinderblock and brick just to warm up. Not to mention the Dragon Punch is supposed to be a semi-mystical special maneuver. (at least that's the way they painted it up in the early days of the video game) -- Chris B ---------- >From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects. >Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 4:55 AM > > I have some armor rules on my page if you would like to see them > -----Original Message----- > From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 7:37 PM > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects. > > >> >> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan > guy >>hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt >>himself. >>Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages? >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >>http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > >

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In a message dated 10/12/99 6:41:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, conkle@... writes: << HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows, but no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A Dragon Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar! >> So you are saying a bullet hits with less force than a punch? My understanding was that kevlar protects against bullets because it spreads the force of the impact over the whole kevlar area. Of course, this is hardly my area of expertise, so I could be completely and utterly wrong. I did have a kevlar helmet in the Army and I can attest that it would hurt like hell to punch it.

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> everyone in my friend's game seems to look up to the unbelevibly

powerful

> vampire in the group (the storyteller's wife), cause she can do

anything

> they want (get firearms, heal them, cast any friggin spell on them,

etc).

> She has powers that are meant for the villans, as well as her own

clans and

> the powers of other clans. An example: I made up a vampire with no

powers

> except Celerity. I wanted to be the fastest character, known for his
> unbelevible speed. Her character has all kinds of other powers (a rea

list

> man, you gotta see it), and shes quicker than my character, smarter

than

> him, and he's a doctor, and has a higher hummanity (cause she talks

about

> god all the time, but chopped off some guy's head she had already

beaten,

> and put one guy tied up in front of a mirror, slit his throat and let

him

> watch himself die. Granted these guys were murderers and rapists, but

I

> would have skipped the tourture part and mabye killed em' quick if at

all.

> And shes got a higher hummanity than my character. strange).
> Grrrr... glad to have this mailing list to take out my fustrations

on,

> lol.

I hate to say it but... thats when you start to power Game. Play the
Wraith in the party, most-- ALL normal (non-Magical/supernatural)
things have no efect other the doing one health (Corpus) Damage to you,
even NUKES!! Be the Tough guy in the party... or just deel, and move on
and hope for the best.
Later
Your Friendly Neighborhood Samurai:
Ronin Eric

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About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move, THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the ST...what you say goes. >From: "Andy" <dlatrex@gate.net> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com> >Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid. >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400 > >Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run >amuck again. PLease tell me what you think: >One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo >at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants >Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of >making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not >a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone >have a verdict? > >Andy. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > ______________________________________________________

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Well not necessarily, remember that some black belts can crush cinderblock with a well focused punch and not hurt themselves. Street Fighter is supposed to be about super martial artists, who probably smash cinderblock and brick just to warm up. Not to mention the Dragon Punch is supposed to be a semi-mystical special maneuver. (at least that's the way they painted it up in the early days of the video game) -- Chris B ---------- >From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@tsixroads.com> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects. >Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 4:55 AM > > I have some armor rules on my page if you would like to see them > -----Original Message----- > From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@ez-poa.com.br> > To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 7:37 PM > Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects. > > >> >> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan > guy >>hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt >>himself. >>Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages? >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter >>http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/streetfighter > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > >

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But a kevlar vest isnt plate mail. As for the damage resistance in gurps,
thats mostly for game use. Armour is less usefull against certain attacks.
For example, a kevlar vest will stop a bullet, but wont stop a knife. Plus
if you put on a vest and someone who can break rock with a punch punches you
in the chest, Im betting your going to feel it. Plus you also have to
remember the genre as well. No self respecting streetfighter would ever put
on armour. And the vest may stop some of Ken's punch, but it wont stop the
flaming part of his flaming dragon punch now will it? It really depends on
how you want to do it. I personally give them one extra soak for kevlar
vests. Put if you want to make it stop all damage, then thats your call.

Thanks

MikeM

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From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 9:27 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.

>I agree if the idea, but an armor isn´t like the famous trick of break

stone

>plates with the hands, in medieval times try punch an plate armor you only

hurt

>himself, all right the focus thing the mind superior the matter, I think

this

>isn´t working after all against for example in infantary suit I play gurps

too

>and for this system the whole thing har Damage Resistence equal 75,

conversion

>it for STF, and Ken flaming dragon punch, smiles and cross arms and say

"don´t

>pass donkey"...
>

In a message dated 10/12/99 4:17:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cbaker@... writes:

<< I've watched every connections episode I could catch. (even the old ones on
BBC) A very good show. The only respected science-philosophy show that makes
statements mainstream science wouldn't.
Did I mention I was a Fortean? >>

Don't you just hate those pesky rains of frogs?

Ok, guys I give up....I need the help of those of you fortunate enough to be
OUTSIDE the curse of the standard system <I'm talking to the metric people>

Vega was kind enough to send me some info about the alpha characters <from
legit sources> but I (we) are having trouble interpreting a few of the
stats....
3 Examples follow:



Name: Nash (Charlie in U.S.A)
Birthdate: 01/11/1962
Height: 1, 86cm
Weight: 84kg
Bust: 123cm
Hips: 81cm
Waist: 87cm
Biceps: 50cm
Tights: 45cm
Other measures: 18/24cm, 34cm
Blood Type: AB
Fighting Style: Military Training
Status: Bachelor (Melaine, girlfriend)
Underwear: Don't use (boxers when sleep)
Likes: Women, fights, and his best friend Guile (?)
Dislikes: Injustice, madmans

Name: Rose
Birthdate: Unknown
Age: 29
Height: 178cm
Weight: 57kg
Bust: 96cm
Hips: 57cm
Waist: 86cm
Biceps: 29cm
Tights: 40cm
Other measures: None
Blood Type: Unknown
Fighting Style: Ler Drit/Psycho Power
Birthplace: Italy
Status: Single woman
Underpants: Normal Ones
Likes: The control over her power, tarots
Dislikes: People who uses the mystical power for evil purposes



Name: Gen
Birthdate: Unknown
Age: 67
Height: 166cm
Weight: 61kg
Bust: 106cm
Hips: 75cm
Waist: 80cm
Biceps: 31cm
Tights: 33cm
Other measures: None
Blood Type: O
Fighting Style: Kung-Fu (2 styles)
Birthplace: China
Status: Bachelor
Underwear: Briefs
Likes: Kill
Dislikes: Akuma\


Now, growing up with te little mini bio's on SFII, as a Kid I had no idea
what the 3 sizes for B,W,H meant... I had to have my parents explain it..
But try as I might, I don't know what the heck "Other measures" reffer to..
After looking at everyone's stats it appears to be ONLY the guys that have
this.....however Gen has "None" listed like the girls do. Cammy also has
just one measure listed: "....Other measures: 28cm..."
I don't know if this is a tayloring term, or something else that has to do
with body builders or what. All the Guys have # / # #


can anyone shed light on this?

Thanks ! Stephen Hayes was really popular in the 80's
-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas
Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 7:16 PM

The Ninja and Their Secret Fighting art by Stephen K. Hayes.

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From: Chris Baker <cbaker@... <mailto:cbaker@...> >
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >; streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 1:23 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas

Is it Ninpo Living and thinking as a Warrior? by Jack Hoban? - Another good Ninja philosophy book.
If not, could you send me the title and author? I'd like to read it.

-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:21 PM

hey folks, just thought I'd toss in my two cents on ninjas and Honor again, seeing as how I'm currently reading a book written by a fellow who studied under one of the last masters of the Togakure-Ryu ninjitsu school in Japan.
 
The ninja's philosophy with regards to fighting is very different from the honor put forth on the circuit, and this book shows that in great detail.  Eventually I'm going to do a full writeup on the style for SF Central, but for now, just take my word on the fact that any ninja PC who doesn't "hold back" and alter his philosophies to fit the honorable methods of the circuit will indeed take honor penalties for his actions.  I can go into further detail if you wish, but that's the bottom line.

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Yeah we actually had that happen here in New Brunswick, never saw it though.

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>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Fortean
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 10:24 PM
>

> In a message dated 10/12/99 4:17:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cbaker@... writes:
>
> << I've watched every connections episode I could catch. (even the old ones on
> BBC) A very good show. The only respected science-philosophy show that makes
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> Did I mention I was a Fortean? >>
>
> Don't you just hate those pesky rains of frogs?
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They don't know what their doing, my advise is to find another gaming group.
If you live in a real burg, my condolences man.
If you don't, go to the local university, college, library, gaming store,
comic shop, online BBS (if you have them) and wherever else you think of.
Put up an ad for yourself, say you are a Role Player looking to get into a
game. A lot of people do this, I'm not sure of success rates, but it's worth
trying for gaming happiness. Plus you get to meet new people, and flex your
role playing muscles like you haven't before. If there are any gaming,
science fiction, or comic conventions within driving distance, try to go to
them you will probably meet like minded people from your area. Remember, you
already have a lot in common with these people, they game and so do you. The
rest is pure adventure.

Varied experience...There's nothing like it.


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>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 9:55 PM
>

> everyone in my friend's game seems to look up to the unbelevibly powerful
> vampire in the group (the storyteller's wife), cause she can do anything
> they want (get firearms, heal them, cast any friggin spell on them, etc).
> She has powers that are meant for the villans, as well as her own clans and
> the powers of other clans. An example: I made up a vampire with no powers
> except Celerity. I wanted to be the fastest character, known for his
> unbelevible speed. Her character has all kinds of other powers (a rea list
> man, you gotta see it), and shes quicker than my character, smarter than
> him, and he's a doctor, and has a higher hummanity (cause she talks about
> god all the time, but chopped off some guy's head she had already beaten,
> and put one guy tied up in front of a mirror, slit his throat and let him
> watch himself die. Granted these guys were murderers and rapists, but I
> would have skipped the tourture part and mabye killed em' quick if at all.
> And shes got a higher hummanity than my character. strange).
> Grrrr... glad to have this mailing list to take out my fustrations on,
> lol.
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 1:40 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>
>
>>Hang in there, I find that people eventually get tired of
>>fight..fight..fight.
>>Stick to your guns, come up with a better idea for a game (something they
>>can't resist)
>>In the meantime play whatever you want to play, hero or not. Just make sure
>>that you make the character deep and interesting. ( One excellent
> roleplayer
>>in a game can inspire everyone, and encourage deeper character all around)
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
>>
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>>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:42 PM
>>>
>>
>>> I do run games, but not as often as I used to. This guy runs vampire and
>>> lets everyone play really mean people, to say the least. I've pretty much
>>> quit going over to the games, and when i do try I cant seem to get anyone
>>> interested in moving the story along, they all want to go fight fight
> fight
>>> and start some trouble. Really weird. But as I want to run heroes and
> this
>>> guy lets them do whatever, it's hard to compete, because I suddenly seem
>>> restrictive. So it's play with the nightmare Storyteller or not at all -
> and
>>> I do still play from time to time.
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 12:32 PM
>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Horror Storyteller stories
>>>
>>>
>>>>Man, are other people in your group frustrated with this guy? Start your
>>> own
>>>>game and invite them to it. The other guy won't get to run another thing,
>>>>until he smartens up. The same thing happened with me and the jerk of a
> GM
>>> I
>>>>mentioned below. I was fair, He wasn't. The players made their choice.
>>>>
>>>>-- Chris B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>>>>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Horror Storyteller stories
>>>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:12 PM
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My (only) local storyteller designs adventures with pre-set endings -
>>> uggh.
>>>>> I mean, i usualy have an ending in mind, but I don't enforce it if the
>>>>> players are smart and out-think my villan's plans. We were playing a
>>>>> non-storyteller game once, and he told me to roll 1d100, the lower, the
>>>>> better, to run past this demon-thing.I used all my luck (a score in
> that
>>>>> system), and I rolled a one!!!! He said, oops, sorry, but you diddnt
> get
>>>>> past!!!! Gimme a break. If he never had plans on me making it past, he
>>>>> should have just said "you can't get past". -sigh- Thats my
>>>>> horror-Storyteller story
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
>>>>> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
>>>>> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:45 AM
>>>>> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>As a GM I've always worked from the perspective that I was a force of
>>>>>>nature, not a god. Too many GMs feel that they are gods who can do as
>>> they
>>>>>>please, no matter what. They forget that characters should have free
>>> will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I had one Game Master who scheduled the entire future timeline of our
>>> game
>>>>>>and would not let us deviate off of it, or change it with free choice
> or
>>>>>>action. Needless to say we dumped him pretty fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nowadays in our circle everyone has some say in the campaign and it
>>> works.
>>>>>>everyone is happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-- Chris B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----------
>>>>>>>From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>>>>>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>>>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>>>>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:34 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
>>>>>>> that message was just more of a notification that it
>>>>>>> just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
>>>>>>> like to point out one very important fact when a
>>>>>>> storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
>>>>>>> to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
>>>>>>> powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
>>>>>>> moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
>>>>>>> you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
>>>>>>> storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
>>>>>>> than once and it works out pretty well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
>>>>>>>> there is no game. Piss off
>>>>>>>> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
>>>>>>>> one horse town. At least
>>>>>>>> that's the way it works where I live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
>>>>>>>> OPPRESSORS!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Chris B
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>> >From: timothylpoole@...
>>>>>>>> >To: streetfighter@...
>>>>>>>> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>>>>>>> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
>>>>>>>> character by a
>>>>>>>> > certain background but when you run they want to
>>>>>>>> make a character by
>>>>>>>> > that background.........a lot of gms are just
>>>>>>>> stingy like that
>>>>>>>> > ..........i have learned to deal with that over
>>>>>>>> the past year with
>>>>>>>> > different gms.................they are all like
>>>>>>>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
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Ok well first of all could the person who runs the
dogs of war website please post his web site adress
thanks.

Second of all and most disturbing is the charcter that
i Play he is a to be nice psychopath, moron, that
somehow manages to actually accomplish a whole hell of
alot. His name is shock if you bothered to at the look
at the link I put up in the links room at all he is
the one being refered to. Anyway basically he has
beaten with ease and these are not rigged fights he's
not a cyborg or a vampire or a werewolf he's regular
human streetfighter and he does not have a seven in
anything. He has beaten:
Terry Bogard, Chun Li, Killed Bison Twice(long story),
Killed apoclaypse(long story too although i'm sure
many a person's done that he's too damn easy), had a
hand in killing akuma, beat Ken Masters, E. Honda,
Dhalism, Blanka, Sagat, Adon, Dan,
Sakura(unfortunatley), had a hand in whacking shadow
charlie and shadow lady, almost realase raging demon
ryu(tied in world warrior tournament, Zangief, a whole
den of black spiral dancers, other werewolves, a
vampire, a moron teamate of his that thinks he's a
pirate, his other temate that is a focus specialist
with nearly identical stats as mine, Gen, Vega(that
was a bloody fight), balroc(that fight sucked), beat
and sent back to hell with the help of 4 other friends
a one (i.e. an old one from d+d still lost worse than
kuthlu, comparison bison was 10 power increase
exponentialy from there down the numbers to a one),
beat a elf similar in power to oberon, beat repeatedly
the living shit out of the damn salior scouts and
tuxedo mask, Fei Long, Cammy, T. Hawk, the sum of it
all is that shock has died propably a conservative
estimate of 50 times and he just keeps getting back
up. This man is stupid when he first met the one which
is supposed to be ultimate evil he looked at him made
fun of him and then procedded to ask if he had any
buffalo or chicken wings he is obssesed with eating
them. He is stupid to say the least but the horrible
thing is he's neutral about all of it. He has
tendincies toward chaos, good, lawful and evil. For
Example one time he burned millions of dollars in evil
artifacts good act, another time his best friend and
teemate decided to go kill the person that had been
sleeping with the friends sister shock procedded to
kill him and send to the demon world evil act.

Anyway i digress my question is does anyone aside from
me and my gamemaster find shock mind bogling and
annoying/fireghtning/insanse/just down right
destuctive?

Thanks, Chad Phillips

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1) Handgun Bullets DO hit with less inertia than a punch. But they hit with
what inertia they have in a very tiny spot. That is why the movie bad guy
getting knocked back by getting shot is very unrealistic. If the bullet had
that much inertia, the firer of the pistol would be knocked back as well
(Newton, equal and opposite, all that). A bullet hits the target with as
much inertia as it imparts to the barrel of the gun (and thus the firer).
It's basic physics.

2) Kevlar DOES distribute inertia, but doesn't eliminate it. If I punch you,
you'll still receive all the inertia of my fist, and it will likely knock
you over (if you weren't braced for it). And the inertia is more spread out
in a fist than in the point of a bullet.

To quote http://www.recguns.com/XJ3.html#HOW (the section of the rec.guns
FAQ that deals with Soft Body Armor):

"Soft body armor works by catching the bullet in a net-like
web of very strong fibers. The bullet stretches not only the few
fibers it hits, but also others in contact with them and many more
that those pull. As in any net, the key to success is that many
fibers, even those not actually touching the bullet, elongate in
response to the collision and so absorb the energy of the bullet."

3) Kevlar Helmets are normal helmets COVERED in Kevlar. The Metal Part
protects from impact while the Kevlar fabric prevents shrapnel and
projectiles from penetrating the metal.

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Christian Conkle
Web Developer - National Committee for Quality Assurance
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----- Original Message -----
From: <JSorochins@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 5:12 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.


> In a message dated 10/12/99 6:41:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> conkle@... writes:
>
> << HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was
> punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar
> provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows,
but
> no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A
Dragon
> Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar! >>
>
> So you are saying a bullet hits with less force than a punch? My
> understanding was that kevlar protects against bullets because it spreads
the
> force of the impact over the whole kevlar area. Of course, this is hardly
my
> area of expertise, so I could be completely and utterly wrong. I did have
a
> kevlar helmet in the Army and I can attest that it would hurt like hell to
> punch it.
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