About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan guy
hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
himself.
Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?

Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are more
important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students? Who was Gouki before his soul
are corrupted? The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,
Joe and Retsu. Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat? I don´t think
so, why put a future campaign and continue the timeline (Anyone have made an
Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?) And the
people talking about holocausts, nuclear bombs and plasma guns ( I play with a
fighter. What the hell a STF player wants with a plasma beam?). And for a good
scenario, listen I don´t need destroy the world to create a good campaign. "If
the world is gone what is the fun in conquest it?" ( Maybe an Pink and Brain
dialogues).

Hmm.... I have studied the SF past a GREAT deal. maybe I can shed some
light,

>
> Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are

more

> important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?

To date there are known to be a minimum of 4 students of Gouken: Ryu, Ken,
Dan (if you can even comcider dan a character) and Retsu.
Dan trained with Ryu and Ken for a Minimal amount of time before Gouken
sent him off. Retsu was Ryu and Ken's training partner, but since he was
already old, he had chosen not to get into the advanced techniques of
Shotokan Karate. There are pics of Dan holding a broken nose at Retsu's feet
<Retsu just looks annoyed>

> Who was Gouki before his soul
> are corrupted?

To be honest Gouki is almost entierly a mysterie <to me> and that's the way
that I feel he should stay. We do know that he is Gouki's brother, and he
was responsible for both the Death of Gouken, and the Death of Goutetsu
<Their Master, shotokan reformer>

The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,

> Joe and Retsu.

Most of those jobbers are not really important. Mike as far as I'm concerend
is just Balrog <american> and I state it as Such. Precious little is known
about Eagle and Joe as they almost COMPLETELY dissapeard after SF1.... in
fact the only time i've since seen either is in the Alpha 1 art, where Eagle
is standing behind Adon. Geki is GREATLY believed to be the father of
Ibuki. Although no one can yet confirm it, it's pretty obvious as he's there
in the back ground of Ibuki's stage in SF3. He is definetly the Jonnin of
Ibuki's ninja clan, and at the LEAST is her master. Lee was part of the
chinese underworld, and after failing the underground bosses he was killed
<Shortly after SF1> as a result his Father ( If you remeber his win phrase
in SF1 is "I am Gen's so") Gen, had to raise his Sons: the Twin Lee
brothers, Yun and Yang.

>Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?

Sagat remianed Undefeated for 16 concecutive years. He was grand champoin
from 1970-1986 when he lost the title to Ryu. We don't know much about the
world warriors at that time....but some time under his rieghn Mike Haggar
was a World warrior. Bison is a very recent addition, not having shown his
face till after SF1.

> (Anyone have made an
> Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?)

I have created a SF Time line that i have compiled from a Variety of
sources. This is specificaly geared for the RPG though. it isn't complete,
and it doesn't look GREAT, but i think it's cool. I'm trying to upload it to
the "Vaults" section of the of EGroup hompage. Anyone can check it out
there. If anyone has any more info for the timeline from OFFICAL scources
then PLEASE mail me....i'm always looking for more stuff to add. I have it
posted in Txt. and Word Format <word looks nicer>.

Hope this helps ya guys.,
Andy.

In a message dated 10/11/99 5:54:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
joespitt@... writes:

<< I think that morality is pretty definable, what is good, and what is evil,
although it isn't simple to say the least.>>

There are a whole bunch of philosophers that will disagree with you there but
I personally think you are right on the money.

<>

Have you checked out Pendragon? They have a interesting way of handling
such questions, including different moralities depending on ones culture.

< The thing is, in any game world, I beleive the players should be heroes.
Mabye relectant heroes, mean as hell heroes, but heroes nonethless. When it
becomes about power, or greed, or killing or beating the crud out of
everything else, the players are playing as villans. What fun is that? real
role-play is made up of interesting heroes trying to overcome the odds
against them to overcome some evil - classic stuff.
Anyway, that's my opinion, and I guess many people would disagree in this
age of Dark Role Playing, but oh well, call me old fashioned.>

You know, I play Vampire sometimes, but my vampire has to be the nicest
vampire ever. I tried the mean and nasty vampire thing, but it just didn't
do anything for me.

<< For those who havent' checked out Legends and the Heart and Darkness
system, I think you will like it. Even if you don't want to use Legends,
check out the Heart and Darkness section. I think it is my greatest rules
creation. if you like to run heroes, that is... >>

And a very good rules creation it is.

In a message dated 10/11/99 7:38:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rinaldo@... writes:

<< About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan
guy
hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
himself.
Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?

>>

In real life, I would say you are very probably right, but in the game, it
would get old really quick. I mean, what player would not get as hold of a
kevlar vest right quick if that was the rule?

In a message dated 10/11/99 7:48:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rinaldo@... writes:

<< Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are
more
important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?>

Well, depending on who is telling the story, Dan and (some other character in
SF1 whose name I cannot remember right now) were also Gouken's students.


< Who was Gouki before his soul
are corrupted?>

A fellow student with Gouken. He killed his master and Gouken (before I get
a bunch of email saying that I am wrong, please note this is what I have read
and heard, if you have a different or more correct version, I would love to
hear it.)

The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,
Joe and Retsu. Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?

I don't think there was a major bad guy at that time. Sagat was not yet
looking for revenge. Akuma was around at that time, I suppose, though some
say he did not kill Gouken till after the first tournament.

< I don�t think
so, why put a future campaign and continue the timeline>

Why not? Almost any creativity I would welcome/

< (Anyone have made an
Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?) >

I tried to once, but Capchron is not exactly famous for their internal
consistancy. I mean, for one of many examples, why do Alpha characters have
more moves that SF2 characters. Did they forget some manuevers between
tournaments

<< And the
people talking about holocausts, nuclear bombs and plasma guns ( I play with
a
fighter. What the hell a STF player wants with a plasma beam?). And for a
good
scenario, listen I don�t need destroy the world to create a good campaign.
"If
the world is gone what is the fun in conquest it?" ( Maybe an Pink and Brain
dialogues). >>

Again, why not. If it interests the GM and the players, play any damn thing
they want. They want to play Street Fighters where all the players are kung
fu teddy bears, go to it I say.

In a message dated 10/11/99 8:39:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
dlatrex@... writes:

<< Hmm.... I have studied the SF past a GREAT deal. maybe I can shed some
light,>>

As a fellow SF historian, I am gald to know someone else share this bizarre
obsession with me.

>
> Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are

more

> important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?

<< Retsu was Ryu and Ken's training partner, but since he was
already old, he had chosen not to get into the advanced techniques of
Shotokan Karate. >>

What is your source on this. I am not disagreeing, but I had not heard that
before and am always looking for sources of information.

<There are pics of Dan holding a broken nose at Retsu's feet
<Retsu just looks annoyed>>

Do you have a copy? I would love to add it to my files.

> Who was Gouki before his soul
> are corrupted?

<To be honest Gouki is almost entierly a mysterie <to me> and that's the way
that I feel he should stay. We do know that he is Gouki's brother, and he
was responsible for both the Death of Gouken, and the Death of Goutetsu
<Their Master, shotokan reformer>>

Goutetsu! That is the name I was trying to think of.

The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,

> Joe and Retsu.




>Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?

<Sagat remianed Undefeated for 16 concecutive years. He was grand champoin
from 1970-1986 when he lost the title to Ryu. We don't know much about the
world warriors at that time....but some time under his rieghn Mike Haggar
was a World warrior. Bison is a very recent addition, not having shown his
face till after SF1.>

I have heard a version that says Mike Haggar never was a world warrior, even
if Zangief did steal his moves (or viceversa)

> (Anyone have made an
> Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?)
>

I would love to see it. I mean, really, love to see it. And do you know of
any particularly good net resources?

i am interested in the book also. please email me about it.

lonewolf77@...

sorry dont know how to link it yet.

thanx in advance
---
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DTA! ---> Don't Trust Anybody
LONG LIVE Y2K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> >From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>> >Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>> >To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>> >Subject: [streetfighter] Encyclopeida Combatica Sourcebook
>> >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:51:45 -0700
>> >
>> >If anyone is interested, the Encyclopedia Combatica: Second Edition is
>> >avalible in Microsoft Word form. It's more correct and complete, although
>> >thier are no new modifers. It is, however, crammed with artwork I grabbed
>> >from the net and looks like a real Street Fighter sourcebook. It took over
>> >300 hours to write, design and correct. If anyone is interested in this
>> >final appearance of the book let me know!

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>From: JSorochins@...
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms
>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 6:05 PM
>
>
>
> << Man, you have a very narrow scope of humanity. Have you ever traveled?>>
>
> Actually, I have traveled quite a bit. And I still know people from all over
> the world. I have a very high opinion of people. And remember, I am not
> trying to prove that the world will come to a stand still if there is a
> nuclear war. I am trying to show that it could be _plausible_ that there are
> no or few firearms after a nuclear war.

Probably few firearms, I don't think it's safe to say none.

> Oh, and attacking the maker of an arguement instead of the arguement is poor
> form at best. Granted, our political leaders in this country do it all the
> time, but I would hope we could act a little better than _that_

Are you hurt? do you bleed? I don't think I attacked you. It is your choice
to be offended. It does seem to me that your argument Is too negative for
human capabilities. If the above statement was offensive to you, then let me
rephrase it. Man, your argument has a very narrow scope of humanity. There
nothing personal.

> <When
> it comes to smelting metal, it really isn't that difficult, any jeweler can
> do it, (I honestly know a few) yes, even hard metals, steel is just tempered
> Iron. Tempered Iron is produced by cooling the hot Iron quickly, with water.
> Water seems available in any survivable apocalyptic world. (no it does not
> have to be drinking water) Even this simple steel would be enough for a
> simple firearm.>
>
> Really, you know jewellers that take iron ore and make tempered steel out of
> it? I am impressed by their skill.

There are four blacksmiths less than an hours drive from here, they all work
with Iron ore and reworked Iron from old horseshoes and the like.

> I thought that steel was more than just tempered iron. Isn't carbon involved
> somehow in the process? And one of my points was that simple firearms are
> not enough. OK, so they have a few muskets. In the real world, swords were
> still a necessity even after the introduction of firearms. They took a long
> time to reload, were not very reliable and were expensive.

Basic steel is just tempered Iron, More advanced steel has carbon and other
impurities added to create stronger steels and alloys. (father worked in a
steel mill)
By the way, did I say there would be all manner of modern style firearms
massed produced in a post apocalyptic world? ---No, No I didn't. Muskets are
fine, they are simple firearms, Guns if you will. I never argued the Quality
of firearm...ever, I argued that they would still be around, and used.

>
> < I think you should do some modern research on what nuclear weapons are
> really capable of, realistically, they are not as doom and gloom as was
> rumoured during the 70's and 80's. They're bad mind you, and riots and
> disease would occur in what was left in the major centers. When it comes to
> radiation, chernobyl threw more radiation off than almost any recorded
> nuclear strike. Fallout landed on countryside covered in farms, many people
> still live there. There are shortened life spans, birth defects, heightened
> cases of cancer and leukemia, but people still live there.>
>
> The danger of nuclear weapons is not so much the direct damage they cause.
> Without going into the possiblity of nuclear winter, which, theoretically at
> least, could wipe out everything, the problem is they would target vital
> areas. Commerce centers, government centers, etc. My point is and was that
> a large disruption to our infrastructure would have disasterous effects.
> Have you ever been in a disaster area. I have. Everything stops. All those
> things you depend upon and you never notice suddenly become vital. We
> survive these disasters as well as we do in America because unaffected areas
> come in and help. But when _everyone_ has this problem, it is not going to
> be the same, bucky. Do you really think your hometown has enough to eat if
> the supermarkets can't get any food in? Not here in New Jersey.

I would definitely have enough to eat here in Canada. And the name's
Chris..Not Bucky (talk about bad form, Tit for Tat.). And if you are going
to call me Bucky at least capitalize it ok?

You know what? I've been in a disaster area too. Here in Canada we had the
Ice storm that wiped out the local infrastructure here...in the middle of
one of the coldest winters on record. Help couldn't get here in time, some
went without electricity for a month. You know what happened? Local people
banded together, shared their resources, Shared skills, built shelters out
of whatever they could find, and survived. It gave me a real sense of
humanity.(Of course I'm not saying that it would happen everywhere. But
things tend to balance out. Don't you agree?

> <And who says we keep ALL of our knowledge in computers, jeez read a book.>
>
> Hmmm... perhaps you should reread my post. What I said was that computers
> were an area of knowledge that would become useless, not that all knowledge
> was stored on computers. I used that example because I figured most of the
> people who read this list would have at least some expertise with computers.

Some expertise yes, But truly, what use is a computer? When it comes to
basics, I wouldn't miss the computer, so it's really not an argument to me.

> < Yes, some will survive after a nuclear war.>
>
> It would almost be better if not many people did survive. The problems come
> after the war. Someone somewhere said the ones that died in the initial
> explosions would be the lucky ones.

Uh. I was talking about Books. Sorry if it was vague.

> < And you don't need a PHD in anything, or a factory to make a simple
> firearm.>
>
> First, a few firearms are not going to do it. For firearms to be effective
> in mass combat, a whole bunch of firearms are needed. Ask the English in
> South Africa or Custer at Little Big Horn.

I thought we were talking about small communities and bands of nomads. I
didn't know Street Fighter was a war game. Mass combat never entered the
equation until you just mentioned it. (turning Blue) Again I never said that
firearms would be mass produced, Just that they would have a presence

> And, again, to make even simple firearms requires more than you think it
> does, if you have to make it yourself. Even gunsmiths get their material
> elsewhere. Heck, it would be hard to make even a decent pair of bluejeans if
> all you had was what could be found in the local forest.

Contrary to this mailing list's popular belief, there would be a lot more
left over than your local forest.

> <Again I'm not saying people will be making mp-5's, or uzis. But speaking of
> those types of firearms, did you know that many modern firearms would never
> rust? Being made of plastic polymers, carbon and nylon, (these surely
> wouldn't be produced in a post apocalyptic world) but they will probably
> survive over one hundred years (when considering rust alone). Even firearms
> that do rust, can be oiled to last a lifetime.>
>
> I am assuming that the guns will be in quite alot of use. I will grant that
> rust need not be a problem. The problem is you have explosions going on
> inside a tube. Eventually, they wear down. I know there are Colts that can
> be fired after a hundred years, but I doubt they saw a lot of day to day use.
> And for the purposes of the campaign idea mentioned earlier, OK, lets say
> the campaign takes place 200 years after the bomb. Not enough? Then 300
> years after the bomb.

The question here is, would you shoot people every day? Probably not.
Animals? No, that's what snares and pits are used for.

200 years after the bomb = 200 years to get basic 1800's communities on
track.
300 years = 300 years to get some level of society back on track.

hundreds of years of waste = hundreds of years of development
Remember the ball? it moves forward.
Ball half empty, Ball half full :)

> < And no you don't have to go
> to Iran to get oil, there are various substitutes like vegetable or peanut
> oil.>
>
> Well, why than does an oil embargo cause so much trouble? Why didn't we
> switch to peanut oil long ago?

I mean for oiling guns, not running automobiles. Try reading Entropy, by
Jeremy Rifkin, a little dated, but still a good book. He has a good theory
about why we develop substitutes for original resources. You'd probably like
his gloom and doom predictions, I did.

> So you are saying those modern gunsmiths use no electricity or power tools?
> A house could be and have been built without electricity or power tools, but
> I doubt most modern carpenters would know how to do it.

we have a lot of carpenters here with amazing knowledge and skill. After
spending a summer working with them, I'm sure they could. These guys really
knew what they were doing. I mean I use a computer, and in my arrogance at
the time thought, oh boy hayseeds but these guys showed me a thing or two.
It would be slower mind you, unless there were more hands. (see Ice Storm
above)

Hey! I agree there would be no quick American pre-fab homes. You should know
by now that I'm no idiot.

> < And about your PHD in 1 AD Jerusalem, I'm sure if he found a way to
> communicate with the people, he alone could advance their society quite a
> bit, he could be an Einstein of their times. The first thing he could do is
> teach them to make simple steel, hell he could do it himself.>
>
> If he was not nailed to a cross or something. If he knew how do to all the
> things he can do using primitive tools and such.

Yes assuming he was not deemed a heretic or some such nonsense. Have you
ever heard of Oannes? he was the fish man who came from the stars and helped
the sumerians (I believe) develop farming, fishing, and weapon making. Many
societies have the same legend. You might want to check out the Book Of
Enoch too,

> < As for post apocalyptic luddites, they'd probably be shot by people who have
> the guns.>
>
> Supposing there is enough guns and not enough Luddites. Even people who have
> a vastly superior technical warcraft do not necessarily win wars. As your
> local Vietnam vet. And even people with guns have to sleep sometime.

Ha! I agree totally! Amazing! The statement was meant as a jest, friend. If
you want an excellent point on this read; Voltaire's Bastards by Robert
(something I can't remember) anyway it is the only book with this title. I
think you'll love it.

> < This is all assuming enough of the population were left on earth to be
> viable as a species, if enough people were wiped out, humanity itself would
> be wiped out.
> >>
>
> Can't argue with that. Of course, it wouldn't make for much of a campaign.
>
> "OK. you are on Earth after a nuclear war. All life is wiped out."
> "OK, I draw my sword and stab the monster"
> "Sorry, all life is gone, you don't exist and neither does the monster"
> "OK, then, I talk the tavern keeper"
> "Nope, no can do, your dead and the tavernkeeper died in the plague"
>
> Would make for a short campaign, yes?

I wasn't speaking of any campaign. It was a statement to to the effect that
my whole argument is firmly based on the assumption of a survivable human
species.

One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players, there is no game. Piss off
enough players, and you'll never run again in this one horse town. At least
that's the way it works where I live.

SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE OPPRESSORS!

-- Chris B


----------

>From: timothylpoole@...
>To: streetfighter@...
>Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>

> yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a character by a
> certain background but when you run they want to make a character by
> that background.........a lot of gms are just stingy like that
> ..........i have learned to deal with that over the past year with
> different gms.................they are all like that!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
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Is it Ninpo Living and thinking as a Warrior? by Jack Hoban? - Another good Ninja philosophy book.
If not, could you send me the title and author? I'd like to read it.

-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: moral ninjas
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:21 PM

hey folks, just thought I'd toss in my two cents on ninjas and Honor again, seeing as how I'm currently reading a book written by a fellow who studied under one of the last masters of the Togakure-Ryu ninjitsu school in Japan.
 
The ninja's philosophy with regards to fighting is very different from the honor put forth on the circuit, and this book shows that in great detail.  Eventually I'm going to do a full writeup on the style for SF Central, but for now, just take my word on the fact that any ninja PC who doesn't "hold back" and alter his philosophies to fit the honorable methods of the circuit will indeed take honor penalties for his actions.  I can go into further detail if you wish, but that's the bottom line.

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From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:35 PM

Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone have a verdict?
 
Andy.

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>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Morals and defining them in a role-play game
>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:48 PM
>

> I think that morality is pretty definable, what is good, and what is evil,
> although it isn't simple to say the least. I made a go of it in my Legends
> game (linked to Dogs of War), and all my players agree that it really works.
> The thing is, in any game world, I beleive the players should be heroes.
> Mabye relectant heroes, mean as hell heroes, but heroes nonethless. When it
> becomes about power, or greed, or killing or beating the crud out of
> everything else, the players are playing as villans. What fun is that? real
> role-play is made up of interesting heroes trying to overcome the odds
> against them to overcome some evil - classic stuff.
> Anyway, that's my opinion, and I guess many people would disagree in this
> age of Dark Role Playing, but oh well, call me old fashioned.
> For those who havent' checked out Legends and the Heart and Darkness
> system, I think you will like it. Even if you don't want to use Legends,
> check out the Heart and Darkness section. I think it is my greatest rules
> creation. if you like to run heroes, that is...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
> streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 2:27 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: <no subject>
>
>
>>I really didn't even play Street fighter until I had gotten some back story
>>about the characters, it just didn't interest me at the time. I guess I
> just
>>like a story to draw me in.
>>If you want a good book on evil, Check out PEOPLE OF THE LIE by M. Scott
>>Peck. Excellent reading, helps roleplaying too. Even if you are not into
>>psychology, Like me.
>>
>>-- Chris B
>>
>>
>>----------
>>>From: JSorochins@...
>>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: <no subject>
>>>Date: Fri, Oct 8, 1999, 5:15 PM
>>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 10/8/99 9:25:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> cbaker@... writes:
>>>
>>> << You know, I have a friend who thinks they're all ok, except Ken, then
> again
>>> he calls all of the characters Ken. He seems to have some sort of Ken
>>> complex. Maybe it's because I keep kicking his ass with Ken.
>>> As for thinking that everyone in SF2 is evil just because they're
> fighting
>>> you, I doesn't seem normal to me.>>
>>>
>>> Well, I never did claim to be normal. Heaven forbid <shudder>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cool!
>>>
>>> <Just what is Evil anyway? That kind of thinking is pretty simple
> minded, you
>>> must have been pretty young.>
>>>
>>> Well, since they are not really real, I mean Evil as in fictional evil.
> Like
>>> M. Bison and Vega and Sauron and the Emperor in Star Wars. I would not
> even
>>> try to define evil in the real world. Actually, I would, but not in this
>>> email.
>>>
>>> < What I want to know is what did you think of
>>> the mirror match?>
>>>
>>> There wasn't any mirror match at that time. Of course, if there had
> been, I
>>> would have figured it was Ken's evil twin.
>>>
>>> <or beating up the car? Damn! another evil car! Well it's
>>> better than being beat up by those Evil Barrels. Damn their knot ridden
>>> wooden hides! >
>>>
>>> Those evil 10 cent cars...
>>>
>>> Actually, though, at the time I never could beat the damn game, so I had
> very
>>> few clues to go on as to what the backstory was. So I made up my own.
> Since
>>> I was playing Ken, Ken was the hero. Since he was fighting all this
> people,
>>> the people were evil in the comic book sense of the word. Hmmm... I
> wonder
>>> what other peoples first impressions of the characters were, before they
>>> found out what the real story was.
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>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Street Fighters vs. Vampires
>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:54 PM
>

> No way guy put a STF against a kindred and Puff!! The sharp teeth is history.
>
> Zipp209@... wrote:
>
>> hey i see were u come from my storyteller wont let me do that too
>> and he says he wants to make a vampire char when i storytell streetfight so i
>> say no since he didnt let me make a streetfighter char for vampire
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All I know is Chuck Norris was called to testify in court over whether  a well trained blackbelt could get to a gunman and present a serious threat.

(the case involved a jealous husband who shot his wife's lover who happened to be a blackbelt in (Tae-Kwan-Do  I Think). The court was trying to determine whether the case was manslaughter or self defense.)

Norris stood ten feet away from the bailiff who held a toy gun directly at him, before he could pull the trigger, Norris had disabled him. The court asked for the demonstration two more times (I think two it may have been three). Each time Norris took out the bailiff. The case was ruled as self defense.
Of course to some degree Chuck was ready for the attack.

-- Chris B


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From: "Steve Karstensen" <skarsten@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms
Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM

 
depending on the distance between the fighter and the punk, this can be achieved in real-life, too.  Friend of mine told me that his self-defense instructor preached a two-second rule; if you were too far away to close the distance in two seconds, forget trying to charge a gunman.
 
hey j; you're in New Jersey? Me too.  What part?
 

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From: JSorochins@... <mailto:JSorochins@...>  <JSorochins@... <mailto:JSorochins@...> >
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com>  <streetfighter@egroups.com <mailto:streetfighter@egroups.com> >
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 6:09 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Post Apocalyptic Firearms

In a message dated 10/11/99 10:16:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
conkle@... <mailto:conkle@...>  writes:

<< Into this post-apocalpytic world where guns are rare steps the Street
 Fighter. Someone who can rely on their skills and Martial Arts to overthrow
 the warlords with their surviving guns. This world would be ideal for Kung
 Fu action, just look at FotNS. >>

Not to mention in the streetfighter game (remember the street fighter game,
this is a list about the streetfighter ) even modern guns are not effective
as they are in our world.  A good kung fu guy can take out a gun wielding
punk easily (Yes, I know that is not the case in real life, but it is in the
game)

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About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say
something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of
all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move,
THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers
then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then
doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC
that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of
players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little
bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in
combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main
sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely
long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the
ST...what you say goes.

>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
>
>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run
>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo
>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants
>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of
>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not
>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone
>have a verdict?
>
>Andy.
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From: Andy <dlatrex@gate.net>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 7:37 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.

Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:

One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone have a verdict?

 

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I have some armor rules on my page if you would like to see them
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From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 7:37 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.

>
> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan

guy

>hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
>himself.
>Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?
>
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hey I never thought about a timeline, but then again, Im not to hip on the
video games. Cool idea
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:18 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years Before

>Hmm.... I have studied the SF past a GREAT deal. maybe I can shed some
>light,
>
>
>>
>> Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are
>more
>> important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?
>
>To date there are known to be a minimum of 4 students of Gouken: Ryu, Ken,
>Dan (if you can even comcider dan a character) and Retsu.
> Dan trained with Ryu and Ken for a Minimal amount of time before Gouken
>sent him off. Retsu was Ryu and Ken's training partner, but since he was
>already old, he had chosen not to get into the advanced techniques of
>Shotokan Karate. There are pics of Dan holding a broken nose at Retsu's

feet

><Retsu just looks annoyed>
>
>> Who was Gouki before his soul
>> are corrupted?
>
>To be honest Gouki is almost entierly a mysterie <to me> and that's the way
>that I feel he should stay. We do know that he is Gouki's brother, and he
>was responsible for both the Death of Gouken, and the Death of Goutetsu
><Their Master, shotokan reformer>
>
> The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,
>> Joe and Retsu.
>
>
>Most of those jobbers are not really important. Mike as far as I'm

concerend

>is just Balrog <american> and I state it as Such. Precious little is known
>about Eagle and Joe as they almost COMPLETELY dissapeard after SF1.... in
>fact the only time i've since seen either is in the Alpha 1 art, where

Eagle

>is standing behind Adon. Geki is GREATLY believed to be the father of
>Ibuki. Although no one can yet confirm it, it's pretty obvious as he's

there

>in the back ground of Ibuki's stage in SF3. He is definetly the Jonnin of
>Ibuki's ninja clan, and at the LEAST is her master. Lee was part of the
>chinese underworld, and after failing the underground bosses he was killed
><Shortly after SF1> as a result his Father ( If you remeber his win phrase
>in SF1 is "I am Gen's so") Gen, had to raise his Sons: the Twin Lee
>brothers, Yun and Yang.
>
>
>>Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?
>
>Sagat remianed Undefeated for 16 concecutive years. He was grand champoin
>from 1970-1986 when he lost the title to Ryu. We don't know much about the
>world warriors at that time....but some time under his rieghn Mike Haggar
>was a World warrior. Bison is a very recent addition, not having shown his
>face till after SF1.
>
>
>> (Anyone have made an
>> Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?)
>I have created a SF Time line that i have compiled from a Variety of
>sources. This is specificaly geared for the RPG though. it isn't complete,
>and it doesn't look GREAT, but i think it's cool. I'm trying to upload it

to

>the "Vaults" section of the of EGroup hompage. Anyone can check it out
>there. If anyone has any more info for the timeline from OFFICAL scources
>then PLEASE mail me....i'm always looking for more stuff to add. I have it
>posted in Txt. and Word Format <word looks nicer>.
>
>Hope this helps ya guys.,
>Andy.
>
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Thanks! Ive had lots of compliments on it, and on my New Maneuvers chart.
I'm trying to design a rules system totaly of my own (going slowly, it's
original) and I'm probably going to include a version of the Heart and
Darkness system almost just like it is.
-----Original Message-----
From: JSorochins@... <JSorochins@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:38 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Morals and defining them in a role-play game

>In a message dated 10/11/99 5:54:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>joespitt@... writes:
>
><< I think that morality is pretty definable, what is good, and what is

evil,

> although it isn't simple to say the least.>>
>
>There are a whole bunch of philosophers that will disagree with you there

but

>I personally think you are right on the money.
>
> <>
>
>Have you checked out Pendragon? They have a interesting way of handling
>such questions, including different moralities depending on ones culture.
>
> < The thing is, in any game world, I beleive the players should be heroes.
> Mabye relectant heroes, mean as hell heroes, but heroes nonethless. When

it

> becomes about power, or greed, or killing or beating the crud out of
> everything else, the players are playing as villans. What fun is that?

real

> role-play is made up of interesting heroes trying to overcome the odds
> against them to overcome some evil - classic stuff.
> Anyway, that's my opinion, and I guess many people would disagree in

this

> age of Dark Role Playing, but oh well, call me old fashioned.>
>
>You know, I play Vampire sometimes, but my vampire has to be the nicest
>vampire ever. I tried the mean and nasty vampire thing, but it just didn't
>do anything for me.
>
><< For those who havent' checked out Legends and the Heart and Darkness
> system, I think you will like it. Even if you don't want to use Legends,
> check out the Heart and Darkness section. I think it is my greatest rules
> creation. if you like to run heroes, that is... >>
>
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Rodney King!
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:19 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters

>One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players, there is no game. Piss

off

>enough players, and you'll never run again in this one horse town. At least
>that's the way it works where I live.
>
>SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE OPPRESSORS!
>
>-- Chris B
>
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>>From: timothylpoole@...
>>To: streetfighter@...
>>Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>>
>
>> yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a character by a
>> certain background but when you run they want to make a character by
>> that background.........a lot of gms are just stingy like that
>> ..........i have learned to deal with that over the past year with
>> different gms.................they are all like that!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yeh he doesnt want his awesome vampires getting thier butts kicked by some
"normal" human.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Baker <cbaker@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>;
streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:29 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Street Fighters vs. Vampires

>That's because vamps are wussies, and your storyteller is afraid.
>
>-- Chris B
>
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>>From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
>>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Street Fighters vs. Vampires
>>Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 10:54 PM
>>
>
>> No way guy put a STF against a kindred and Puff!! The sharp teeth is

history.

>>
>> Zipp209@... wrote:
>>
>>> hey i see were u come from my storyteller wont let me do that too
>>> and he says he wants to make a vampire char when i storytell streetfight

so i

>>> say no since he didnt let me make a streetfighter char for vampire
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A dizzy maneuver can be two maneuvers long. See street fighter main
rulebook - pg 132. There is an example of a two-maneuver dizzt combo on pg.
133
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:28 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.

>About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say
>something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of
>all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move,
>THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers
>then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then
>doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC
>that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of
>players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little
>bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in
>combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main
>sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
>combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely
>long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the
>ST...what you say goes.
>
>
>>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
>>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
>>
>>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run
>>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
>>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo
>>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants
>>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of
>>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not
>>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone
>>have a verdict?
>>
>>Andy.
>>
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Also, although the rule book doesn't say so, I would assume that after a
two-part combo is made into a dizzy it cannot have a third maneuver added.
It seems as if adding the combo (in the examples) "finishes" the
construction of a combo maneuver. just thought this interpretation of the
rules was worth mentioning along with my previous official rules statement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krug-Iron <inrifrost@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:28 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.

>About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say
>something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of
>all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move,
>THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers
>then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then
>doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC
>that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of
>players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little
>bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in
>combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main
>sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
>combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely
>long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the
>ST...what you say goes.
>
>
>>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
>>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
>>
>>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run
>>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
>>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo
>>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants
>>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of
>>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not
>>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone
>>have a verdict?
>>
>>Andy.
>>
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Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
that message was just more of a notification that it
just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
like to point out one very important fact when a
storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
than once and it works out pretty well.

--- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:

> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
> there is no game. Piss off
> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
> one horse town. At least
> that's the way it works where I live.
>
> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
> OPPRESSORS!
>
> -- Chris B
>
>
> ----------
> >From: timothylpoole@...
> >To: streetfighter@...
> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
> >
>
> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
> character by a
> > certain background but when you run they want to
> make a character by
> > that background.........a lot of gms are just
> stingy like that
> > ..........i have learned to deal with that over
> the past year with
> > different gms.................they are all like
> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
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Yeah! But I don´t have much info about, I was wondering about colect some
signatures and send to Capcom and ask for a the right history, backgrouds and
timeline.

"J. Scott Pittman" wrote:

> hey I never thought about a timeline, but then again, Im not to hip on the
> video games. Cool idea
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy <dlatrex@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:18 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: 20 years Before
>
> >Hmm.... I have studied the SF past a GREAT deal. maybe I can shed some
> >light,
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are
> >more
> >> important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?
> >
> >To date there are known to be a minimum of 4 students of Gouken: Ryu, Ken,
> >Dan (if you can even comcider dan a character) and Retsu.
> > Dan trained with Ryu and Ken for a Minimal amount of time before Gouken
> >sent him off. Retsu was Ryu and Ken's training partner, but since he was
> >already old, he had chosen not to get into the advanced techniques of
> >Shotokan Karate. There are pics of Dan holding a broken nose at Retsu's
> feet
> ><Retsu just looks annoyed>
> >
> >> Who was Gouki before his soul
> >> are corrupted?
> >
> >To be honest Gouki is almost entierly a mysterie <to me> and that's the way
> >that I feel he should stay. We do know that he is Gouki's brother, and he
> >was responsible for both the Death of Gouken, and the Death of Goutetsu
> ><Their Master, shotokan reformer>
> >
> > The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,
> >> Joe and Retsu.
> >
> >
> >Most of those jobbers are not really important. Mike as far as I'm
> concerend
> >is just Balrog <american> and I state it as Such. Precious little is known
> >about Eagle and Joe as they almost COMPLETELY dissapeard after SF1.... in
> >fact the only time i've since seen either is in the Alpha 1 art, where
> Eagle
> >is standing behind Adon. Geki is GREATLY believed to be the father of
> >Ibuki. Although no one can yet confirm it, it's pretty obvious as he's
> there
> >in the back ground of Ibuki's stage in SF3. He is definetly the Jonnin of
> >Ibuki's ninja clan, and at the LEAST is her master. Lee was part of the
> >chinese underworld, and after failing the underground bosses he was killed
> ><Shortly after SF1> as a result his Father ( If you remeber his win phrase
> >in SF1 is "I am Gen's so") Gen, had to raise his Sons: the Twin Lee
> >brothers, Yun and Yang.
> >
> >
> >>Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?
> >
> >Sagat remianed Undefeated for 16 concecutive years. He was grand champoin
> >from 1970-1986 when he lost the title to Ryu. We don't know much about the
> >world warriors at that time....but some time under his rieghn Mike Haggar
> >was a World warrior. Bison is a very recent addition, not having shown his
> >face till after SF1.
> >
> >
> >> (Anyone have made an
> >> Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?)
> >I have created a SF Time line that i have compiled from a Variety of
> >sources. This is specificaly geared for the RPG though. it isn't complete,
> >and it doesn't look GREAT, but i think it's cool. I'm trying to upload it
> to
> >the "Vaults" section of the of EGroup hompage. Anyone can check it out
> >there. If anyone has any more info for the timeline from OFFICAL scources
> >then PLEASE mail me....i'm always looking for more stuff to add. I have it
> >posted in Txt. and Word Format <word looks nicer>.
> >
> >Hope this helps ya guys.,
> >Andy.
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks for the info, but the thing I want say is about a past campaign before
the great and invincible Ryu enter at scenario with all that other know STF
fighters. You know before STF 1, and other hand if Gouken is a great master I
think he don´t teach only Gouki, Retsu, Ryu and Ken. I mean the before, example
who was a STF when Ryu and Ken are in Gouken Training. Why put the STF therms
only the first tournament, I think the STF guys exist a long time ago. And for
example I think in campaign about Second War (1942), The aliance countrys join
and use a team of STF fighters against the Reich army, but I don´t say Hitler
thinks the same way and use a division of Gestapo and his members are all STF. I
roleplaying it for my friends and they love it, their misson kill a german
commander, who was a great tatic and at the comand of the STF German unit, but
what the people don´t know he is a STF too. I build a german style pick some
techs and moves, but anyone give the dramatic efect what I looking for and use a
custom manuver:

Reich Cross: The user hit his target eight times for the cross form, when this
happen the points rejoin and form the Reich cross.
Speed: +0
Damage: Special
Move: +0
Cost: 1 Chi and 1 Willpower.
Power Points: Focus 5, Punch 5 and Chi +5

The damage are Focus + Punch + Chi

This commander crippled many alied soldiers with this move.


Andy wrote:

> Hmm.... I have studied the SF past a GREAT deal. maybe I can shed some
> light,
>
> >
> > Everyone talks about the future and the present but I think the past are
> more
> > important, only Ryu and Ken are Gouken students?
>
> To date there are known to be a minimum of 4 students of Gouken: Ryu, Ken,
> Dan (if you can even comcider dan a character) and Retsu.
> Dan trained with Ryu and Ken for a Minimal amount of time before Gouken
> sent him off. Retsu was Ryu and Ken's training partner, but since he was
> already old, he had chosen not to get into the advanced techniques of
> Shotokan Karate. There are pics of Dan holding a broken nose at Retsu's feet
> <Retsu just looks annoyed>
>
> > Who was Gouki before his soul
> > are corrupted?
>
> To be honest Gouki is almost entierly a mysterie <to me> and that's the way
> that I feel he should stay. We do know that he is Gouki's brother, and he
> was responsible for both the Death of Gouken, and the Death of Goutetsu
> <Their Master, shotokan reformer>
>
> The society of STF 1 the first tournament, Lee, Mike, Eagle, Geki,
> > Joe and Retsu.
>
> Most of those jobbers are not really important. Mike as far as I'm concerend
> is just Balrog <american> and I state it as Such. Precious little is known
> about Eagle and Joe as they almost COMPLETELY dissapeard after SF1.... in
> fact the only time i've since seen either is in the Alpha 1 art, where Eagle
> is standing behind Adon. Geki is GREATLY believed to be the father of
> Ibuki. Although no one can yet confirm it, it's pretty obvious as he's there
> in the back ground of Ibuki's stage in SF3. He is definetly the Jonnin of
> Ibuki's ninja clan, and at the LEAST is her master. Lee was part of the
> chinese underworld, and after failing the underground bosses he was killed
> <Shortly after SF1> as a result his Father ( If you remeber his win phrase
> in SF1 is "I am Gen's so") Gen, had to raise his Sons: the Twin Lee
> brothers, Yun and Yang.
>
> >Who was the great bad guy of that time Bison? Sagat?
>
> Sagat remianed Undefeated for 16 concecutive years. He was grand champoin
> from 1970-1986 when he lost the title to Ryu. We don't know much about the
> world warriors at that time....but some time under his rieghn Mike Haggar
> was a World warrior. Bison is a very recent addition, not having shown his
> face till after SF1.
>
> > (Anyone have made an
> > Historical STF timeline, putting the events on cronological order?)
> I have created a SF Time line that i have compiled from a Variety of
> sources. This is specificaly geared for the RPG though. it isn't complete,
> and it doesn't look GREAT, but i think it's cool. I'm trying to upload it to
> the "Vaults" section of the of EGroup hompage. Anyone can check it out
> there. If anyone has any more info for the timeline from OFFICAL scources
> then PLEASE mail me....i'm always looking for more stuff to add. I have it
> posted in Txt. and Word Format <word looks nicer>.
>
> Hope this helps ya guys.,
> Andy.
>
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HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was
punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar
provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows, but
no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A Dragon
Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:39 PM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.


>
> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan
guy
> hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
> himself.
> Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?
>
>
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Geocities/Yahoo had disapointed me for the last time. I've shut down my page there and moved it to Xoom. So all of you who have me bookmarked or linked (both of you) need to update it. My new URL is HREF="http://members.xoom.com/ staredown. At the moment, the only thing that is on my old site is a redirector link to my new page. Now I'm paranoid, I like to have a back-up of all my important government sponsered work in street fighting, so does any have a good idea where my mirror/backup site should be? Geocities is obviously out, so's Xoom. I don't like Angelfire, but I need a mirror. I have simple criterion below.

1. It needs to be free (the government doesn't nearly pay as well as it should, and I'm cheep.)
2. It shouldn't have those goddamn pop-up windows (or a way around them that's convenient for me and my viewers)

If you've got a good site in mind, let me know via private e-mail (staredown@... no need to spam the list, we've got enough of that already). Thanks in advance. Chris Hoffmann http://members.xoom.com/staredown staredown@...

One of the problems with Street Fighter is it's automatic hit, some of these
problems could be solved with an attack/defense roll.

-- Chris B


----------

>From: "Chris Krug-Iron" <inrifrost@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: This sounds pretty stupid.
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 2:27 AM
>

> About the Number Cruncher's Combo...well, I think that the book does say
> something about that. A dizzy combination does have its limits. First of
> all, the combination must be purchased in order. First move, second move,
> THIRD move, then dizzy. Not two maneuvers, then dizzy, but three maneuvers
> then dizzy. Also, while he IS aiming for a ridiculous speed bonus then
> doing the Repeating Fireball, why not take him down a few pegs with an NPC
> that has a Block to Energy Reflection Combo? Sorry, I've had a couple of
> players that like to do really cheesy things hence I've gotten a little
> bitter. But, while the book says squat about multiple hit maneuvers in
> combinations to dizzy opponents, look at the World Warriors in the main
> sourcebook. Fei Long has a Fierce to Fierce to Rekka Ken
> combo...effectively an extended combination. While this is extremely
> long-winded, the best advice is to use your own judgement; you're the
> ST...what you say goes.
>
>
>>From: "Andy" <dlatrex@...>
>>Reply-To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>>Subject: [streetfighter] This sounds pretty stupid.
>>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:35:09 -0400
>>
>>Ok, the Number Crunchers from hell (Thanx for that term Steve) have run
>>amuck again. PLease tell me what you think:
>>One of my players <Kabaddi> has decided to make a combo.....a DIzzy combo
>>at that, however I don't know if it woudl be concidered kosher. He wants
>>Block-to-Repeating fireball (Dizzy). I thought that the whole purpose of
>>making it a dizzy combo was to tally the damadges of mutiple manuvers, not
>>a SINGLE multiple hit maneuver. The book says squat about this.... anyone
>>have a verdict?
>>
>>Andy.
>>
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Well not necessarily, remember that some black belts can crush cinderblock
with a well focused punch and not hurt themselves. Street Fighter is
supposed to be about super martial artists, who probably smash cinderblock
and brick just to warm up. Not to mention the Dragon Punch is supposed to be
a semi-mystical special maneuver. (at least that's the way they painted it
up in the early days of the video game)

-- Chris B


----------

>From: "J. Scott Pittman" <joespitt@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 4:55 AM
>

> I have some armor rules on my page if you would like to see them
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 7:37 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.
>
>
>>
>> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan
> guy
>>hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
>>himself.
>>Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?
>>
>>
>>
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I agree, I think he has Kevlar vest mixed up with hard armour vest (Kevlar
Vest with hard ceramic inserts). Kevlar alone won't protect against a knife
or bludgeon.

-- Chris B


----------

>From: "Christian Conkle" <conkle@...>
>To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 9:33 AM
>

> HAH! You're joking right? If a guy was wearing a Kevlar Vest, and was
> punched, with ANY kind of punch, he'd feel the punch full-on! Kevlar
> provides protection from puncturing like dirks and bullets and arrows, but
> no protection from bludgeoning, like kicks and punches and elbows! A Dragon
> Punch would toast a guy wearing Kevlar!
> _________________________________________________
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rinaldo Gambetta <rinaldo@...>
> To: <streetfighter@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 11:39 PM
> Subject: [streetfighter] Re: Armor efects.
>
>
>>
>> About a guy wearing for example an kevlar vest, I think if a shotokan
> guy
>> hit him with an dragon punch the kevlar guy smiles and shotokan guy hurt
>> himself.
>> Anyone knows the resistence of armor efects against the techs damages?
>>
>>
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As a GM I've always worked from the perspective that I was a force of
nature, not a god. Too many GMs feel that they are gods who can do as they
please, no matter what. They forget that characters should have free will.

I had one Game Master who scheduled the entire future timeline of our game
and would not let us deviate off of it, or change it with free choice or
action. Needless to say we dumped him pretty fast.

Nowadays in our circle everyone has some say in the campaign and it works.
everyone is happy.

-- Chris B


----------

>From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
>To: streetfighter@egroups.com
>Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
>Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:34 AM
>

> Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
> that message was just more of a notification that it
> just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
> like to point out one very important fact when a
> storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
> to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
> powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
> moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
> you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
> storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
> than once and it works out pretty well.
>
> --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
>> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
>> there is no game. Piss off
>> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
>> one horse town. At least
>> that's the way it works where I live.
>>
>> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
>> OPPRESSORS!
>>
>> -- Chris B
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: timothylpoole@...
>> >To: streetfighter@...
>> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>> >
>>
>> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
>> character by a
>> > certain background but when you run they want to
>> make a character by
>> > that background.........a lot of gms are just
>> stingy like that
>> > ..........i have learned to deal with that over
>> the past year with
>> > different gms.................they are all like
>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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My local Storyteller thinks he's god... but strangely enough, his wife's
character can do anything we can, but much, much better
-----Original Message-----
From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa <clk_whrr_chad@...>
To: streetfighter@egroups.com <streetfighter@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 2:24 AM
Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters

>Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
>that message was just more of a notification that it
>just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
>like to point out one very important fact when a
>storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
>to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
>powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
>moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
>you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
>storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
>than once and it works out pretty well.
>
>--- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
>> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
>> there is no game. Piss off
>> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
>> one horse town. At least
>> that's the way it works where I live.
>>
>> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
>> OPPRESSORS!
>>
>> -- Chris B
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> >From: timothylpoole@...
>> >To: streetfighter@...
>> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
>> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
>> >
>>
>> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
>> character by a
>> > certain background but when you run they want to
>> make a character by
>> > that background.........a lot of gms are just
>> stingy like that
>> > ..........i have learned to deal with that over
>> the past year with
>> > different gms.................they are all like
>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Strange, As a GM I view myself as the weakest player at the table. I
mean, my only job is really to play referee whenever there are any
rules questions, & to play the NPCs as intelligent individuals. Beyond
that, it's up to the PCs to push the story. Granted, I've had some
nightmare games where the PCs have had no motivation, & as a result,
the game just stalls... but overall I much prefer this method of
running to having to tell the PCs what to do.

Maybe that's why I prefer the 'storyteller' system over other
choices... ???

-Laters!
-Chris!


--- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:

> As a GM I've always worked from the perspective that I was a force of
>
> nature, not a god. Too many GMs feel that they are gods who can do as
> they
> please, no matter what. They forget that characters should have free
> will.
>
> I had one Game Master who scheduled the entire future timeline of our
> game
> and would not let us deviate off of it, or change it with free choice
> or
> action. Needless to say we dumped him pretty fast.
>
> Nowadays in our circle everyone has some say in the campaign and it
> works.
> everyone is happy.
>
> -- Chris B
>
>
> ----------
> >From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
> <clk_whrr_chad@...>
> >To: streetfighter@egroups.com
> >Subject: [streetfighter] Re: vamps .vs. streetfighters
> >Date: Tue, Oct 12, 1999, 5:34 AM
> >
>
> > Well I agree with you guys on all those points but
> > that message was just more of a notification that it
> > just didn't matter to me anymore. Although I would
> > like to point out one very important fact when a
> > storyteller says no to something that a pc would like
> > to do. Rember your storytellers not DM's your not all
> > powerful you put in charger to help keep the story
> > moving and coordinate things you can play charcters to
> > you know and let the pc's have a shot at being the
> > storyteller. Me and my storyteller have done that more
> > than once and it works out pretty well.
> >
> > --- Chris Baker <cbaker@...> wrote:
> >> One thing ALL GM's should learn, without players,
> >> there is no game. Piss off
> >> enough players, and you'll never run again in this
> >> one horse town. At least
> >> that's the way it works where I live.
> >>
> >> SOLIDARITY FOR PLAYERS! RISE UP AND OVERTHROW THE
> >> OPPRESSORS!
> >>
> >> -- Chris B
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------
> >> >From: timothylpoole@...
> >> >To: streetfighter@...
> >> >Subject: [streetfighter] vamps .vs. streetfighters
> >> >Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999, 7:48 PM
> >> >
> >>
> >> > yeah i know gms like that who wont let you make a
> >> character by a
> >> > certain background but when you run they want to
> >> make a character by
> >> > that background.........a lot of gms are just
> >> stingy like that
> >> > ..........i have learned to deal with that over
> >> the past year with
> >> > different gms.................they are all like
> >> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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