>>Granted, but I think the major point of contention here is that you think
the bonuses on the chart are non-cumulative, and I think they are
This is something we do not agree on. I think the example of striking an
opponent who is dizzied unconscious includes the fact that you struck a
dizzied opponent. Seems obvious enough, although I do think white wolf
should have been a bit more clear on this point.
>>I know the chart is merely a guideline, but I also think it's a pretty
good one (although by no means comprehensive)
So do I
A quick look at the Honor awards will show you that cowardly and/or
bully-like actions are dishonorable, and acts of bravery and/or selflessness
are honorable. Is it cowardly or brutish to Block to get a Speed bonus? I
don't think so, but if you were the Storyteller you'd be withing your rights
to adjust my awards as you saw fit.
Never said it was. Like I said, I would NOT take away or give out honor for
such an action. I'm just emphasizing that I wouldn't give honor here, but it
is NOT dishonorable.
>WHY would you block while your opponent was dizzied if not for a bonus to
your next attack???!! That's offensive!
No, it's planning ahead. Even if I started a Turn Punch while my opponent
was Dizzy and nailed him with it on the following turn, that wouldn't in any
way constitute striking a Dizzy opponent. The Dizzy strike rule reflects
the fact that if an opponent is unable to defend himself, attacking him
could cause serious harm and is therefore Dishonorable. That's why they
have a Standing Eight Count in Boxing.
Striking a dizzied opponent results in a loss of honor, and like I have
said, I would not make a player lose honor for starting a block combo action
or using the block for the speed bonus. However, it is the beginning of an
offensive action if you have no other reason to use block other than for the
speed bonus. Therefore I would forfeit the usual honor bonus for not
striking an opponent, but again, no honor loss.
If an opponent isn't Dizzy, he's obligated to defend himself. He can Block,
Move, or attack just like you. After all, this is a FIGHT. Offensiveness
is a given. A warrior should ALWAYS be prepared to strike... Why not use
your best Combo? Maybe I'm just not as honorable as thou.
Granted, and different fighters fight in different ways. This conversation
isn't about the best method of winning, but the subtle definitions of honor
in a fight. I never said I would fight honorably (see Mr. Military, my old
tournament character, and Sha Long, my new one, for totally different
methods of fighting, with and without honor).
Playing Street Fighter is not about if I am honorable or not, it's about
my character and how I role play him. Unlike many people (not saying you are
one of them), I role-play each character differently, not with the exact
same attitude and plan every time (I hate when my players do that).
>>But my point is that by Regenerating while an opponent is Dizzy YOU ARE
using his temporary weakness against him! If you're low on health, and you
regenerate four health levels while he's Dizzy, you're DEFINITELY taking
advantage. It's not a speed bonus, NO, but you're gaining a game-mechanics
edge due to the fact that your opponent cannot act. Is a one-time speed
bonus less honorable than regaining lost health levels which could last the
rest of the match?
Like I said in a previous letter, Regeneration should be a mater handled by
Storyteller/Player decision, based on the concept of the character or the
view of the Storyteller of what is honorable and dishonorable in his game.
>>I think you're overestimating fight fans. After all, Street Fighting is
unsanctioned and quasi-legal at best. These people are mostly bloodthirsty
drunkards, middle-aged men with gambling addictions, and kids with violent
imaginations. Most of them are disappointed if they don't see a fast
Of course, it depends where you are... Shaolin Monks would not be impressed
by a show-off.
Anyway, Showing off is the best way for "gloryhounds" to get what they crave
so desperately, and I think they deserve both points if their opponent is
Dizzy. After all, they're not doing anything the least bit OFFENSIVE and
they're not PREPARING for anything... they're allowing the opponent PLENTY
of time to rally a comeback. Much more honorable than regenerating, and the
fans DEFINITELY dig it more than the guy bowing.
I think you are blurring the line of honor and glory here. I have no problem
with the Glory awards you have mentioned (except table cumulating, of
course), but showing off, insulting an opponent, quick knockouts, etc. seem
like suitable Glory-based awards, not honor-based ones.